I Was WRONG About POINTS In HARLEY Davidson EVO Engines Keihin CV Carburetor BUILD
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Found out I was wrong about points being used in a Harley Davidson evo engine all along after build a Keihin CV carburetor from one carburetor body to another carburetor body.
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Yep. Most success is built on past failures.
For sure
I’ve been running points in my EVO for. Over 25yrs.,, runs just as good as electronic. No loss of power or gas mileage
Good deal!
Grease `s garage tells how to put points in evo ,i was impressed.
Man - all you needed to do was elongate the slots on the points backing plate a drill bits width. That will give you all the options for timing you need. 30 second job with a drill -good luck 😎.
I was wrong once a bunch of times. Hope you're having a good weekend. God Bless.
I had a science teacher who said that he was wrong just once in his life... He thought that he was wrong about something, but he was mistaken :)
Pull the solenoid cover. Then activate solenoid manually by pressing the rod inside. If it starts its a wiring/fuse/circuit breaker issue. If it just trys to turn over you need new solenoid.
All the breakers are still good. Everything seems to point to the solenoid.
@@SaddleTrampTV test it. It's only 3 bolts.
That's why you always add manual solenoid push button
This honesty makes your channel worth while watching! We all have been there, or we will be there one day that we will have to face reality as is, just like you did. You're so lovely down to earth, easy going and honest about things, you make us feel better about the mistakes we make ourselves ;-)
Glad this helps you, man.
I had this issue with my evo big twin as well! I ended up dremeling out the channel that the screw goes through on the points to allow them to close down further. Takes only a few seconds and makes the points usable
The stock cv Harley carb is very good. I have a 100hp twin cam and it feeds it really well.
I love the CVs ... I have a few S$S carbs sitting on my shelf because that is the first thing I swap out when I get a new project. I can pick up a take off CV for cheap at swap meets and mod them using CV Performance kits and have a great running carb ...
Sounds killer!
@@1down4upworkshop61 The CV Performance guy makes good parts. He makes a good needle that works great without shims and he carries good replacement CV parts, not the overseas crap . I messed up and bought a rebuild kit off Amazon because my accelerator pump diaphram was old and brittle and the new one was terrible. CV Performance's diaphram was night and day better. My local HD dealer acts like they are doing you a favor to sell you parts, so I try to stay outta there, if possible.
@@tommylitchfield3450 exactly why I love using CV Performance parts. They know their stuff and have quality parts ...
Corey, all I can say is that it looks like we're going to be spending a lot more quality time in your garage. Thanks for Sharing!
Looks that way.
These videos are proving very helpful as I'm building my own Frankensportster out of salvage parts
Glad to help, man. Remember though... I do make mistakes that end up on screen.
Redemption always takes place a little bit at a time.😇
We all grow when we make mistakes or have issues, find the problem, and fix things! All good.
I've heard said that all success is built on failure.
I'm old enough to come from a time when all we had was points and condensers and why anyone wouldn't run electronic ignition is beyond me .
Apparently I'm one of the few who are still alive who built Racing Engines with points and condensers, hearing them ROAR down the back straight at Daytona and Talladega. And they never missed a beat for 500 miles, wide frigging open
My 2000 XL1200C hard tail is running points and the power band is great. The mechanical advance mechanism has a 25° range so I set static timing to 40° fully advanced which means idle is at 15°, 5° earlier than expected but it works and the advance unit can always be modified to have a reduced 20° range. Also it's important to change the ignition coil to 5 ohm and use copper core plug wires instead of modern suppression core.
Coming from a points and condenser generation it was a major improvement to go to electronic ignition. When you went to points all I could do is shake my head and wait, knowing you'll find out. I like to take old shovelheads put electronic ignition in them with an upgrade on the output of the alternator, valve seals, cv carb and 5 speed tranny with a wet clutch. That bike will make all the power you need and run forever, unless you are packed heavy then a little stroke might be in order. Later my friend. Always enjoy your content.
Yeah, some folks just need to fall on their face to learn. Seems to be my story a lot of times.
@@SaddleTrampTV I have found those to be the best lessons learned. Trying something is learning and information is not knowledge.
You're pretty thorough and just about there, no better way to know your sled, looking forward to the completion ⏳✌
Thank you, Owen.
Good point, nobody wants to be bored
I've been pretty lucky I only had one cracked the plastic inlet. I'm always amazed how that brass elbow does not leak, considering gas seems to get through any spot 😦
Right?
I have been trying to get my dad's 70 iron head fixed up for awhile, very happy to see your videos man thank you.
I have battery on the brain, It can say 12.2 to 12.6 all day long, but the best way to test that is to hook up a 12v fan or something that really pulls current, because It can have a broken connection in the post inside the battery, and still read 12 v. and all the wiring will read 12volts, even fool a battery charger, and then maybe that solenoid switch inside the starter is full of copper dust, which keeps It from contacting solidly, the most often fail is the battery worked, before but.... connecting It over and over sometimes breaks something inside. My Harddrive Battery was junk in about a half a year..Brass terminals arent all that either.
I love my EVO but being from the Iron and shovel generation, everything is new! And a learning curve! LOL But watching you helps me NOT make the same mistakes! So thank you! Keep the rubber side down! And keep the vids coming!!
That's why I don't try to hide my opp's.
You'll get it!! It's all part of the fun of building something. Your videos are great.
Thanks, man!
awesome video, Saddle Tramp! I was wondering if points would work in an evo. Thanks for testing that theory out. 8)
Sure thing, man!
Cool sporty!!! I read that you can file down the points adjuster skrew knotch to allow more adjustment. Ensuring that the points close fully. You could also file down the cam follower a bit as long as its flat. I might give it a shot myself.
Outstanding my friend!
My 1979 Electra Glide FLH King of the Highway full dresser Shovelhead is running Dyna S and two 5-ohm coils since engine upgrades in 2001.
No worries.
If you do change to electronic ignition
don't ever leave the ignition on and walk away!
It will be smoked when you get back...
Here is a short & interestingly article about reading your spark plugs...
Killer, man!
If the weather warms up here, need to get my Shovelhead out. Good video!
Your videos are never boring , they don’t all have to be informative. Stay safe from northwest Ind. Later
Thanks, Dennis.
Like the way those drag pipes sound on a sportster. I ran the some ones you have and I also added torque cones for some back pressure.
Any improvement?
@@SaddleTrampTV Just piece of mind.
Most folk also forget that your spark plug gap will need to be adjusted if you run points on an Evo - to about 0.028" from memory and to make sure that the points gap is within 0.002" on each lobe of the point cam. Love your honesty man 👍
I always like your videos. I am having a Vent here. A biker told me yesterday sportsters are a girls bike, well I disagree. I think they are iconic and a hardcore bike, way more than a dresser and on a rigid they are just so handsome, not to mention how reliable an evo sporty can be.
Right on.
The fun is in finding the problem,it's a pleasure to watch your video as always, greetings from RS, Bih...
Keep at it, you'll get it running right 👍👍👍
Good vid. I don't even run points in my Shovelhead. Electronic ignition was invented for a reason. Works every time and it's hotter consistent spark. Set and forget. Good luck with that Sportster. It's coming along fine.
Great point!
Love seeing you figure things out
Me too! Lol! Thanks really, though.
You have your bike looking really good man! Gosh I sure wished I had the space to build a bike. Sure do enjoy your build vids. I sure have learned a lot from them.
Glad they help! Especially when you can what not to do by watching. Lol
Love the videos Tramp keep up the good work brother. 😎 God bless
Thank you, Brett. The Lord bless you as well.
Keep doing videos, because I actually learn things...Keep up the good content...😎
sometimes redemption comes with a higher cost than we anticipate.
Ain't that the truth
Seems like it
And another fine video. Entertaining is also a valid video but it was very informative to us novice guys.
Thank you Tramp!! Loved it
Ahh, the joy's of modification's. Thank you for sharing
Helping me to get motivated to fix my FLH. With today's prices gunna have to learn my way thru it. Keep on making vids man.
Thank God for motorcycles, right?
If and when I ever have troubles with the solenoid on my XL, I think I will put one of the manual push button ends on the solenoid, as well as fixing whatever else is gone bad for a just in case. But I would guess that The Missus would not want to reach down and push on the end of the solenoid every time she wants to crank it if she decides to ride the Redemption Bike. I feel your pain on dialing in an ignition problem at the same time as a carb rebuild, since they can both cause similar troubles. I have a 2006 which has a CV carb but the newer style ignition with a crank position sensor, and my sensor would fail only when the engine was hot. When it cooled off it would idle great. I tried 3 different pilot jets and screwed the pilot screw in and out for weeks until I saw a video where a guy showed the same problem as it was happening. It warmed up, ran like crap, then he used a water hose on the case next to the crank sensor and as it cooled off, it ran like a top. It didn't show a trouble code on the check engine light until after I had seen that video, after burning my knuckles off taking the bowl on and off that carb a hundred times. A new $60 crank sensor and it idled great, hot or cold. I sure wish they had left the carbed rubber mount bikes with the older ignitions. There's not a thing behind the points cover on the 04 and up bikes at all. They just left the cover there to look cool, I guess. Sorry for the long story, but maybe it will help somebody else with a 04 to 06 Sportster. Take care, Corey and Mrs Kim
I looked into a push button, but there's not one out there for the style of starter this one has.
@@SaddleTrampTV Well that stinks! Good luck sorting out the problem. Maybe it's just the contacts and you can sand them clean.
I remember guys converting to points on cone shovels and evos the only thing I remember was having to change the coil the electronic coil would smoke the points they would last for a short time man I am reaching in the memory bank 35 40 years
I enjoy working on a motorcycle.
Wish I was computer savvy.
You can get more HP. easier with electronics than the old school way.
But it is fun to play with.
at least it still runs so thats a plus. good vid man
Great job Corey keep them coming I’m learning a lot and enjoying it
Glad to hear it
STAY AWESOME MATE, TAKE CARE OF YOUR BACK AS WELL !!
Thank you, I will
My 84 had electronic ignition and it left me stranded. $500 to replace the electronic module in 1990. $50 to convert it to points. So, I bought the Blue Steak brand conversion . I have never regreted that decision. The electronic module on my 99 Softail died also. A Blue Streak points conversion is in that one also. They run fine.
At least on my 98 Softail. I found the ground wire for the relay for the starter to be I figured a little light I added an additional ground wire ..
Thanks For Sharing,Keep on Keeping on!
I owned a 95 evo sportster 883...... Rode it for 27 yrs....... The only electrical problem I had was the gas cock..... Diaphram leaked after 14 yrs..... This caused vacume in body of valve to occasionally work and not work..... This opened and closed vacume switch and caused one coil to fire and not fire which caused rough running of engine.....I changed it out..... Still running perfect to this day.....
I just bought a bran new Mukuni Carb and installled it on my Dyna. That mfer is the size of a beer can lol. I retired the CV carbs on both my bikes! Made all the diff in the world. Gas miieage sucks now but a shit ton quicker!! New cams helped as well! I never dreamed I would pay a grand for a carb in my life but hey ya only live once! It was worth every penny IMO!
I bet it screams now.
Just a word to the wise a mukuni slide style carb can and will hang up wide open on a day with high humidity \ its a real rush when it happens as long as you have room down the street \shut the key off, wiggling the cable at 100 plus WILL NOT FREE IT
Sorry the starter gave out on you. Glad i was able to help you chase that issue down.
You and me both. Electrics are not my favorite things to diagnose.
I'm not sure how I haven't subscribed until just now? I enjoy your attitude and your videos. Thanks for the effort sir.
Hey thanks, Chris!
Put a solenoid repair kit in it, drag sells them probably 20 bucks where you live, I've fixed lot s of them.
I'll look into it
Keep up the great work amigo!
Thank you, Gilbert.
There is no change on the slot on the end of the camshafts between early/late Shovels or Evos. There was a change in the late 1970's, probably 1978-1/2, on the Timing Marks on the Crank Wheels. The Early Shovels had a Large Dot for TDC and a Line for BTDC; the later ones have a Heavy Vertical Line for TDC and Dots for BTDC. The electronic rotors, which index on the slot in the camshaft are different and most aftermarket electronic ignitions require a Gold colored rotor, O.E.M. 32402-83. I have a 1984 FXEF that had O.E.M. Electronic Ignition, then Points, then Ultima, now back to Points all with the factory camshaft and same Timing Mark (Heavy Vertical Line on the Crank Wheel).
You're right. I found that out later on.
The real problem is Chinese reverse engineered parts that are not in spec. Find used O.E.M. Harley breaker plates and Point rotor cams and use Blue Streak Points and Condensers. Also just change the points themselves, and disassemble the Advance weights to see if the holes are egged out or the pins are worn. You can replace the individual pieces as well. Also re-lube the Advance assemblies whether new or reuseable old. Lubri-plate is the recommended lube or some folks use white lithium grease. I have been messing with Point ignitions for 60 years!@@SaddleTrampTV
A common mistake when running electronic ignition is to use copper core spark plug wires. While this *can* be done with Dyna S ignitions, it can take out the ignition. Use suppression core wires.
Will do.
Sweet little bike hang in there you'll get it ☺️
Yeah I was putting a bunch of parts together to sell some CV carburetors on eBay and sure enough I had that little bump to.. maybe those were the early ones I'm not sure I just started watching your video but when you pointed to that that clicked in my mind so fast. That happened a couple weeks ago when I was building a couple carburetors
EVO click of death, I have 2 starters that both do it intermittently even after rebuilding the solenoids and verifying no wiring issues. So I just bought one of those billet covers that allow you to manually engage the solenoid with a button so I don't get stuck somewhere click clicking waiting for it to decide to start. If you get it figured out with a permanent solution I'd love to see a video on it.
A new starter.
Most enjoyable carb rebuild Ive ever watched 🤣.. regardless of outcome.. hey, it runs and thats always a bonus.. Said it before, I miss messing with all the earlier stuff.. have enough problems with efi 🤣. Cheers
My wife says the old Harleys are Barbie for men. I think more like Mr. Potato Head.
Good to know about points I always had problems on my 79 iron head
I had Killer carb in Cali rebuild mine and its awesome now
Good deal
I'm really liking the Matt tank
Thanks! Me too!
100% honesty. Fantastic video. Please keep it up.
I like the SU eliminator II found one off a parts bike definitely recommend it if you can get one
What’s up bro, great video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hey, man! Thanks!
@@SaddleTrampTV 👍🏻
Check out grease's garage videos on points for the evo. It IS possible, just use a different timing mark. I just ordered a points and auto advance for my evo
Replace the contacts with a kit. Also put a button on it :). I still have my button. But it isn’t necessary :)
No one makes a button for the pre 91 sportsters. The bolt pattern is different.
Hey Corey. Good job. Loved the music.
Hey, thanks!
All nice bikes, even the cardboard bike in the back. LOL Good video. Stay safe.
Lol... Thats funny
I also have a '77 ironhead which some dipstick had put electronic ignition on, ran nasty like a hot bag of nails, put points back on, problem solved.
Keep hittin' on it, Brother; you' ll figure it out. (Gotta be right when you hand it over to Momma, right?)
You got that right!
when l got my 2nd had evo motor for my bike it had points in it & it was a pro built engine... l didnt know how to wire points to the coil so l put my ol Eletronic ignition in... wasnt sure on the points on a evo but there where there.....
l have a push stater cover on me solenoid so if ir dont start iff the start button l just hit the solenoid cover button starts every time & has saved my arss a few times .. cheers mate
I have one of those push starters on my softail. Seems that nobody makes one for the year model of sportster I have here.
@@SaddleTrampTV thats a bugger... cheers
I’m still enjoying the music.
Did you add advance weights when you were swapping in the points?
Yep
garage time yay
did it way better than i could lol shoes jn a dryer! love that one !!!
I'll be honest with you get rid of the stock carb, and install a Mikuni TM or HSR series carb on your sporty. Once you get the TM dialed in they just work great, and seem to be a very trouble free carb for years. You can buy a HSR 42 for around $300.00 as a kit for your bike, and it will come with extra jets and instructions on how to properly tune the carb to your bike. I've been tinkering with bikes for over 30 years and I have learned the hard way about working on old worn out harley carbs. Another thing DO NOT put a S&S carb on your street bike that you dailey they are a race carb and do not have good manors.
choot choots man does it again
After remove and clean the cv carb put all back and she starts and warm up good, ride for couple of miles then stop for few hours, after that starts again but idles bad and rides realy rough
Maybe something in the ignition? Or try your intake seals to see if they leak.
I Will check, thanks once again
You will get it eventually brother
U gotta have both of the hands to get things done
Redemption don't come easy.✌😎
i have a 2000 I in 1 sickel works great but i don t think there will be a warning when its tired in my points sickels they aways let me know when when need a little att. kicking over condensors not as good as once was last few years ago i add 2 nd condensor at the coil works for me HAPPY TRAILS
Working on that bike , sounds like tackle football !!!
Hey, sorry once again but you can telle how you have your cv carb set up? Do you have any c-clip on the need have if you do what the position, with or without shims. I have a 1100 xlh with a 96 sportster carb with 50 pilot jet and 180 main. Best regards
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Mh i remember a ld vid where you put a new set of points (drad spe) on and old ironhead, and you discovered a big diference on the cam slot.
Mayby this new system will work better on the evo's than the original ironhead stuff and give you a better orintation for the timing?
Just thinking...
BTW i am on the way to convert my 06 sportster to a "n electrnic" state with a "chopper like" simplified electric loom and point ignition, i am still assembling parts but i already have my point plate and the new coil.
This video was a bitter news for my project, but i can't go back.
I like both. If a bike comes with points and runs good, I leave it. If the points are shit and parts are hard to get, electronic is great too. My main issue with them is most of them are made in china and can just be shit, or become shitty within 1000 miles or so. However, that was my experience with dyna's on small block moto guzzi's. Their coils sure are nice.
I hear ya, man.
Cory,
You don't have any leaking issues when you put those brass 45-degree fittings in your aluminum-bodied carbs?I think that by now you can reassemble a carburetor blindfolded.
Peace
I use then all the time with no leaks. Been messin with this kind of carb for so long that it's like walking and chewing gum now.
The redemption bike is making you work hard.
It's worth it though
Hey Amigo, have some problems with my 86 xlh 1100, i start her up ride and sounds real good and enjoy for a few miles but every time i stop like couple off hours She starts but rides realy bad, Boggs and rough idle, can you help me with this? Cheers
when I heard the starter, I was thinking brushes gone ..🤔
Omg the tiny accelerator pump hole in the bowl is such a pita on cv carbs. I had to soak mine in carb acid. Not even sure if you can get that any more
Shooting carb cleaner through all the ports seems to do the the trick every time.
Sounds good.
Redemption bike needs a lil more redemption song