Michael Levin, I find myself watching you more and more, you are a deep thinker in a New direction. Patterns in mind, that are isomorphic to our perception of the external world. Carl Jung called these things archetypes. It helps people who are not academics, to access information that I know you know.
We know time isn’t “real”, so with that in mind, emergence becomes a predetermined object. We sit on the precipice so to us it appears to materialise from nowhere, but the reality is, it’s all a pulsating fractal mandala of preconfigured arrangement.
Very interesting. I just stumbled on your channel and subscribed. I wasn't aware of Dr. Levin's work. I found some of the things he said that "all biologists know" fascinating, such as the way organisms seem to search sequence space in order to create something new, to leap over the "randomness" mechanism of neoDarwinism. I'm not a biologist, so I wasn't aware of this. Just a layman trying to follow along. Thank you for bringing this sort of thought-provoking content to the masses.
one thought on Levin's thought provoked substrates: anything, anywhere, any way two forces interact is a analogic leap forward , has an image tradition, and is a kind of mind that resonates in degrees and levels and geometries... on any scale... all of the time... there and not there...
We already know that pattern. Don’t we. The Mandelbrot set has a beginning and an ending on the real number line. It is simultaneously infinite( borders )and finite (area). The Mandelbrot set is a mapping of connected Julia sets. Rotation, vibration, iteration What is it like to be a thing? What is the likeness of a thing? What kind of thing is any thing? What is the pattern, shape, topology, form, image of a thing? These are fractal to the fractal. Identifying a thing, a group of things necessarily identifies what that thing is like, its image and its kind. Energy, frequency, vibration Sounds, light, matter Condensation, minimal surface, web pattern Etc
Google didn't help, but per Chat GPT: It sounds like you're referring to The Gods Themselves by Isaac Asimov. In the novel, there are alien creatures that come from a parallel universe, and they are extremely dense, with one of them being a scientist character. The story explores their interactions with humans and the consequences of their energy exchange, which is central to the plot.
If we find that there are indeed other dimensions that do exist, then there will be a new materialism that explains those concepts. If we find other forms of life in other dimensions doesn’t mean ipso facto materialism is wrong
No, energy is something that a magic unicorn dreamed up. Obviously it exists! Talk about proving what my point: a reductive view of materialism. Materials aren't just 'things' that you can prod and poke!
Sooooo tired of people with reductive definitions of materialism. This might help: materials are things that exist. If something is non-material, it doesn't exist.
@@davonbenson4361 what scientific breakthroughs has Levin made? He's just using needlessly fussy and overwrought rhetoric to make absurd, untestable, and unprovable claims that amount to claims about the existence of magic
@@christheghostwriter He codiscovered xenobots and is doing research into how cells self organize into both forms they evolved to organize into and novel forms, and a bunch of technical stuff with handedness and ion pumps. I'm not expressing an opinion on whether his world view is correct, whether his expressions of those views are manipulation tactics to obtain grant money, whether his work is legitimate or fluff, whether or not he is unfairly enriching himself, but I think the standard of evidence on these points needs to be higher given that he does have multiple peer reviewed publications. I'm open minded, I've seen these sorts of things play out both ways.
This guy is the archetype of people that believe that what they don't understand is something that comes from some gods, aliens or whatever magical things. What these people don't understand is that they could thank scientists and materialists/physicalist to be able to live in a modern society, mot in the middle ages like traditional religious society. Science is a method, a state of mind and a process of understanding the world around us, i.e. exercising and using human intelligence, which it seems they don't have. Sure, the modern world is far from perfect, but scientists are working hard to make it better. And these people who are tightened with their beliefs are making the progression slower. Let them go in the forest without running water, electricity and modern utilities and let's see how they behave. I think the smarter ones will revise their position soon once confronted with the harsh reality of materialism.
This is a good reminder to include bios in video description - I sometimes assume its only people who already know who Michael is who will watch. Here is his bio. (In summary, is is a celebrated scientist) "Michael Levin, a Distinguished Professor in the Biology department at Tufts, holds the Vannevar Bush endowed Chair and serves as director of the Allen Discovery Center at Tufts and the Tufts Center for Regenerative and Developmental Biology. Recent honors include the Scientist of Vision award and the Distinguished Scholar Award. He is also an associate member of the Wyss Institute at Harvard (wyss.harvard.edu/team/associate-faculty/michael-levin-ph-d/). His group works at the intersection of developmental biology, artificial life, bioengineering, synthetic morphology, and cognitive science. Seeking general principles of life-as-it-can-be, they use a wide range of natural animal models and also create novel synthetic and chimeric life forms. Their goal is to develop conceptual frameworks and practical tools that help detect, understand, predict, and communicate with truly diverse intelligences, including cells, tissues, organs, synthetic living constructs, robots, and software-based AIs. His mission is to develop fundamental understanding of how minds of all kinds arise, scale, persist, and change, and to use that knowledge to benefit the embodied experience of sentient beings, through biomedicine and beyond.
@@adventuresinawarenesswhat's the practical outcome of his research!!? Nothing yet ...right... Btw, is he working with the platonic world he is bullshitting about or the real world!!?
@@alEx-isca. Lol, I hope you realize Math is a form of Metaphysics. You can’t come up with generalized formulas, just by observing physical things. You have to abstract patterns from the things that you analyze. And, there’s still poor 3rd world countries, despite the technological advances that have been made, which proves that ethnical issues can’t be solved by materialism alone.
So eye opening! I will see life and the world in a much different way.
Michael Levin, I find myself watching you more and more, you are a deep thinker in a New direction.
Patterns in mind, that are isomorphic to our perception of the external world. Carl Jung called these things archetypes. It helps people who are not academics, to access information that I know you know.
Peace is a timeless feeling.
We know time isn’t “real”, so with that in mind, emergence becomes a predetermined object. We sit on the precipice so to us it appears to materialise from nowhere, but the reality is, it’s all a pulsating fractal mandala of preconfigured arrangement.
Very interesting. I just stumbled on your channel and subscribed. I wasn't aware of Dr. Levin's work. I found some of the things he said that "all biologists know" fascinating, such as the way organisms seem to search sequence space in order to create something new, to leap over the "randomness" mechanism of neoDarwinism. I'm not a biologist, so I wasn't aware of this. Just a layman trying to follow along. Thank you for bringing this sort of thought-provoking content to the masses.
you're so welcome. Great to have your interest
Materialism is dead.
So dead. It was never alive to begin with, in retrospect. 😅
Materialism, is immaterial.
@@NotAnEvilPersian no my friend, we are in the bifurcation of civilizations.
Materialism is not replaced yet.
I do like the shorts ....Belfast Ireland 🇮🇪
let's fucking gooooooooo
10:30 "We are metabolic patterns that hang around for a little while and change in various ways and come and go."
one thought on Levin's thought provoked substrates: anything, anywhere, any way two forces interact is a analogic leap forward , has an image tradition, and is a kind of mind that resonates in degrees and levels and geometries... on any scale... all of the time... there and not there...
We already know that pattern. Don’t we.
The Mandelbrot set has a beginning and an ending on the real number line.
It is simultaneously infinite( borders )and finite (area).
The Mandelbrot set is a mapping of connected Julia sets.
Rotation, vibration, iteration
What is it like to be a thing? What is the likeness of a thing?
What kind of thing is any thing?
What is the pattern, shape, topology, form, image of a thing?
These are fractal to the fractal.
Identifying a thing, a group of things necessarily identifies what that thing is like, its image and its kind.
Energy, frequency, vibration
Sounds, light, matter
Condensation, minimal surface, web pattern
Etc
@@MS-od7je what
@@MS-od7je finite, eternal, unbounded
@ the very image in which you were made
Anyone know the name or author of the science fiction story he mentions at 09:28?
Google didn't help, but per Chat GPT: It sounds like you're referring to The Gods Themselves by Isaac Asimov. In the novel, there are alien creatures that come from a parallel universe, and they are extremely dense, with one of them being a scientist character. The story explores their interactions with humans and the consequences of their energy exchange, which is central to the plot.
If we find that there are indeed other dimensions that do exist, then there will be a new materialism that explains those concepts. If we find other forms of life in other dimensions doesn’t mean ipso facto materialism is wrong
It's peculiar how Arkadiy Petrov, school "Tree of Life", came to same conclusions trough extrasensory knowledge.
No, energy is something that a magic unicorn dreamed up. Obviously it exists! Talk about proving what my point: a reductive view of materialism. Materials aren't just 'things' that you can prod and poke!
Marge Simpson peeking over your shoulder is distracting 👀
Large Marge keepin' it real LOL
Is the podcast feed not being updated?
There's a delay whilst we find a new assistant to help! New material is just on youtube for the next couple of weeks. Thanks for your patience!
I can do a timeless feeling.
Sooooo tired of people with reductive definitions of materialism. This might help: materials are things that exist. If something is non-material, it doesn't exist.
Does energy exist? Gravity? Are they material?
@@Paul-fs1fkgravity is a consequence of materials interacting
This is called Computational Reducibility
I can make someone timeless out of something perishable.
Topnotch
There are bo physical objects. Its so simple
What a biological system can do is not predictable mathematical.
Thank you for reminding us.
Levin’s worldview allows him and those like him to earn vast amounts of cash while preaching untestable nonsense. Nice gig.
@@craigswanson8026 it's a 21st century repackaging of the same bvllsh1t that underpins religion
Lol, what scientific breakthroughs have your worldview produced?
@@davonbenson4361 what scientific breakthroughs has Levin made? He's just using needlessly fussy and overwrought rhetoric to make absurd, untestable, and unprovable claims that amount to claims about the existence of magic
@@christheghostwriter He codiscovered xenobots and is doing research into how cells self organize into both forms they evolved to organize into and novel forms, and a bunch of technical stuff with handedness and ion pumps. I'm not expressing an opinion on whether his world view is correct, whether his expressions of those views are manipulation tactics to obtain grant money, whether his work is legitimate or fluff, whether or not he is unfairly enriching himself, but I think the standard of evidence on these points needs to be higher given that he does have multiple peer reviewed publications. I'm open minded, I've seen these sorts of things play out both ways.
@paulfoss5385 he took some credit for zenobots, sure, but he's also a woo-selling grifter
This guy is the archetype of people that believe that what they don't understand is something that comes from some gods, aliens or whatever magical things.
What these people don't understand is that they could thank scientists and materialists/physicalist to be able to live in a modern society, mot in the middle ages like traditional religious society. Science is a method, a state of mind and a process of understanding the world around us, i.e. exercising and using human intelligence, which it seems they don't have.
Sure, the modern world is far from perfect, but scientists are working hard to make it better. And these people who are tightened with their beliefs are making the progression slower. Let them go in the forest without running water, electricity and modern utilities and let's see how they behave. I think the smarter ones will revise their position soon once confronted with the harsh reality of materialism.
Do you know who this guy is?
This is a good reminder to include bios in video description - I sometimes assume its only people who already know who Michael is who will watch. Here is his bio. (In summary, is is a celebrated scientist)
"Michael Levin, a Distinguished Professor in the Biology department at Tufts, holds the Vannevar Bush endowed Chair and serves as director of the Allen Discovery Center at Tufts and the Tufts Center for Regenerative and Developmental Biology. Recent honors include the Scientist of Vision award and the Distinguished Scholar Award. He is also an associate member of the Wyss Institute at Harvard (wyss.harvard.edu/team/associate-faculty/michael-levin-ph-d/).
His group works at the intersection of developmental biology, artificial life, bioengineering, synthetic morphology, and cognitive science. Seeking general principles of life-as-it-can-be, they use a wide range of natural animal models and also create novel synthetic and chimeric life forms.
Their goal is to develop conceptual frameworks and practical tools that help detect, understand, predict, and communicate with truly diverse intelligences, including cells, tissues, organs, synthetic living constructs, robots, and software-based AIs. His mission is to develop fundamental understanding of how minds of all kinds arise, scale, persist, and change, and to use that knowledge to benefit the embodied experience of sentient beings, through biomedicine and beyond.
@@adventuresinawarenesswhat's the practical outcome of his research!!?
Nothing yet ...right...
Btw, is he working with the platonic world he is bullshitting about or the real world!!?
So you didn’t listen, made a vast amount of assumptions, and lashed out with pure straw-manning, and you still imagine you’re a serious thinker?
@@alEx-isca. Lol, I hope you realize Math is a form of Metaphysics. You can’t come up with generalized formulas, just by observing physical things. You have to abstract patterns from the things that you analyze. And, there’s still poor 3rd world countries, despite the technological advances that have been made, which proves that ethnical issues can’t be solved by materialism alone.