Rollkur - the best riders in the world???

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  • Опубліковано 14 лис 2024

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  • @LisadeKramer
    @LisadeKramer 8 років тому +97

    I feel so sorry for these horses. These riders are just plain stupid riders they should all be banned from showing or training horses

    • @ihateeverything3344
      @ihateeverything3344 3 роки тому +6

      And FEI just posted about edward gal an hour ago,it's so disgusting that people get away with things an official just let it slide

    • @dympnaodonnell4929
      @dympnaodonnell4929 Рік тому

      I agree,these beautiful horses are just commodities to these people.

  • @sjaelfre
    @sjaelfre 5 років тому +80

    Imagine how sick this narcissistic egomaniacal horse world is when you can pack your grounds full at a Helgstrand Stallion show and not a single person in the mindless, psycofantic crowd says a single world when a horse is visibly abused right before your eyes.

    • @michelleberthold6270
      @michelleberthold6270 2 роки тому +4

      It's pure torture

    • @nmd3132
      @nmd3132 2 роки тому +4

      an overflexed animal in brutal poll, jaw, and mouth pain is a tragic thing, indeed. all these riders need to experience what they've perpetrated.

  • @katyr6580
    @katyr6580 2 роки тому +35

    Judges should refuse to score riders using such harsh treatment on their horses. Better yet ban them from entering the competitions.

  • @edenvoss9007
    @edenvoss9007 3 роки тому +44

    Has any body at ANY point actually realised....aside from the obvious pain caused to the horse....it also just looks bloody ugly!!! And makes the riders look like the dominant bullies they are !!!

  • @msu.p.2872
    @msu.p.2872 3 роки тому +45

    It hurts just looking at it! Unnatural and painful 😢

  • @thehorsebackheroine5950
    @thehorsebackheroine5950 7 років тому +69

    Well...it looks like the time is coming that the people who continue with this type of barbaric training methods are going to be kicked out of the equestrian world once and for all. We need to keep sharing that this is simply not acceptable any longer, for the sake of all the horses that are to follow.

    • @chrisunderwood2524
      @chrisunderwood2524 2 роки тому +4

      About time..and the whole new riding should be without any bits what so ever...many have trained themselves to go the extra hard work and to learn balance..while riding..not to rely on their hands holding onto reins to keep their balance ...just use a bit less bridel...or better yet no bridal...this is the ultimate between horse and rider..all body language....

    • @megofiachra3247
      @megofiachra3247 2 роки тому +2

      I hope you’re right, but it should NEVER have been accepted or ignored this long. I’m skeptical.

    • @cubnation
      @cubnation 2 роки тому +4

      @@megofiachra3247 Exactly, the FEI banned it, but is means nothing if they don't back it up with suspensions, fines, and being kicked out permanently.

    • @beatekreuzer5025
      @beatekreuzer5025 2 роки тому +1

      @@chrisunderwood2524 The bit is not the problem. It gives the rider the possibility of a very fine, exact communication with the horse and for the horse it is something to lean on for reassurance. But it must be used in exactly that way - as a line of communication, never an instrument of force.

  • @rhondaserges5136
    @rhondaserges5136 2 роки тому +8

    The Judging is to be blamed .. if the judges did not place these riders using inhumane equipment.. it would change.

  • @Galemor1
    @Galemor1 2 роки тому +21

    The thing is, rollkur is easy, it's easy to hold your horse in that position, and for many horses it's also easy to work in this position.
    Because it is not working through its body, which is why it gets these flashy uncontrolled movements.
    When you have true collection, it takes a lot of work from the rider, as you have to give and take constantly, to always be a support for the horse, vs this, where you just tuck the horse in and then ride...
    It's okay for a momentary stretch, but you should never work the horse this way.
    As someone who exercises, I will put my arms behind my back to stretch out a muscle, but I would never try to work out in that position.
    It's easy to spot a horse trained this way, rather than the right way. Because collection is offered by the horse, while this is demanded by the rider.
    So after the free walk, when they pick up on the reins, horses who are used to be trained in rollkur, will immediately tuck their chin in, while a correctly trained horse, will walk into the collection.

  • @jessijessi9417
    @jessijessi9417 7 років тому +29

    That is soooo weird😣 I can't do this to a Animal that is: wonderful,a soulmate,best Friend,My life and more!

  • @haugmariom6206
    @haugmariom6206 2 роки тому +7

    Diese armen Pferd leiden unter höllischen Schmerzen. Es ist eine Schande für den Reitsport

  • @sallylamphee9321
    @sallylamphee9321 2 роки тому +8

    All of these horses are severely overheat, it's a wonder they can balance themselves let alone see where they are going, the positions of the riders are of pure dominance ,if you have to sit in that position to get collection of your horse you're doing something very wrong

  • @MarthaHallock
    @MarthaHallock Рік тому +2

    😮😢 cruel the horses hive so much of themselves. the least we can do is give them respect and kindness

  • @NightHawkLocket
    @NightHawkLocket 6 років тому +26

    This is sickening... How can anyone call this pretty?

  • @gailmckay5551
    @gailmckay5551 2 роки тому +3

    Rollkur, cruelty in motion.

  • @maverick6461
    @maverick6461 2 роки тому +6

    So sad such abject cruelty has to have been metered out to these beautiful, noble creatures in order to obtain a totally unnatural position, which judges then award as being 'good'. Poor horses, no wonder they die young. Their riders, owners should have the same treatment metered out to them.

  • @luciemarinov129
    @luciemarinov129 3 роки тому +18

    Very sad to see that kind of abuse being rewarded in the World Cup shows and Olympics ! Too bad they weren’t banned, guess the judges don’t care!

    • @marjoriewelsh549
      @marjoriewelsh549 2 роки тому +4

      A very Sick way to try to have a horse in total collection & SPURRING the horses sides. How confusing for a horse. Watching these riders leaning way back and bouncing so high in the saddle. BOOOO TO THE CRUELTY. $$$$$

  • @faibishclassical
    @faibishclassical 6 років тому +38

    And the Judges giving them gold medals

  • @janets6474
    @janets6474 3 роки тому +8

    You forgot Isabel Werth. But EXCELLENT video! The revelations are stunning.

  • @wimveld6781
    @wimveld6781 2 роки тому +7

    So poor... If you feel once the true collection and partnership of a horse, you don't want anything else.

  • @mydogsmylifecircusdogtrainer
    @mydogsmylifecircusdogtrainer 3 роки тому +17

    I am an ex circus high school rider with a circus in Germany Where the horses were well treated and I can not understand why circus has been so victimised as cruel to their animals to the extent of some being run out of business when this goes on in sport and it's overlooked.

    • @CHLOCHLOLP
      @CHLOCHLOLP 3 роки тому +1

      i think the concern is more for wild animals who become super stressed and depressed from preforming all the time.

    • @utezeyher4975
      @utezeyher4975 2 роки тому +3

      Weil dieser Dressursport für reiche und elitäre Menschen ist.Und die haben immer Recht.Sie breiten sich überall aus und verdrängen andere traditionelle Reitweisen.

    • @wioi
      @wioi Рік тому

      Sorry but circus is absolutely cruel to animals

  • @proboygamer3156
    @proboygamer3156 2 роки тому +2

    Dear God this is awful!!!!!!! These horrible people DO NOT DESERVE these beautiful animals!!!
    Utter disgrace

  • @megofiachra3247
    @megofiachra3247 2 роки тому +4

    I can’t watch dressage anymore. The horses look miserable. I just can’t do it. We need a restart. Will Faerber if Art2Ride tried to start a new system, but I don’t know if it ever got off the ground.

  • @georgannkoenig5438
    @georgannkoenig5438 3 роки тому +12

    Absolutely difficult to watch, and is acceptable! This is allowed at anytime, much less at a competition is unbelievable!!!!

  • @ann-cathrinandersen9412
    @ann-cathrinandersen9412 3 роки тому +9

    it looks so unnatural that it cant be good for the horse

    • @Sloooth
      @Sloooth 3 роки тому +3

      It is very harmful :(

    • @ann-cathrinandersen9412
      @ann-cathrinandersen9412 3 роки тому +2

      @@Sloooth its animal abuse and should be forbidden in all countries

  • @yvonnevanscheers1047
    @yvonnevanscheers1047 3 роки тому +17

    Dit is niet normaal!!. Ben al nooit een fan van dressuursport geweest. Na het zien van al dit leed,zeker niet! Anky schaam je!😡

  • @lindachurch4555
    @lindachurch4555 3 роки тому +7

    This is disgusting! These people should know better! I remember when we were counseled not to bring the head behind the vertical. What happened?!

  • @FoxyBriar
    @FoxyBriar 2 роки тому +4

    Monstrous abuse!!! How can this be allowed to happen???

  • @marikawaldraff8223
    @marikawaldraff8223 2 роки тому +3

    It's unbelievable what these idiots doing to this poor horses! Human-beasts!

  • @iamjustjudy
    @iamjustjudy 2 роки тому +4

    Poor horses reined in so tight. I'm surprised it's not considered animal abuse.

    • @sunnybunny7053
      @sunnybunny7053 Рік тому +1

      It is, multiple studies agree on the fact. The FEI just doesn't care. They even removed it out of their rulebook this year.

    • @iamjustjudy
      @iamjustjudy Рік тому

      @@sunnybunny7053 That is horribly sad

  • @QuestingforBandit
    @QuestingforBandit 3 роки тому +12

    Disgrace to the sport (and it shouldn't be called a sport until its abuse issues are rectified).

  • @kalimero_hobbyhorse6252
    @kalimero_hobbyhorse6252 2 роки тому +3

    😔😓😭so sad

  • @quitetidy
    @quitetidy 3 роки тому +12

    Animal abuse comes in many forms. Chin to chest is one of the most cruel.

  • @haugmariom6206
    @haugmariom6206 3 роки тому +13

    Warum muss das sein?das ist Tierquälerei. Das solche Methoden erlaubt sind ist zum Schämen 🤔

  • @millsixstudios
    @millsixstudios 4 роки тому +9

    It has to end.😨

  • @azariasewell5655
    @azariasewell5655 2 роки тому +3

    People should know better than to do this. These animals deserve so much better in life. These animals r beaten down and abused constantly. These evil tactics and scare tactics that people use to control horses is just sick. Animals will work without the use of force. U need to be patient and calm.

  • @rubymorris6325
    @rubymorris6325 6 років тому +8

    these are no where near the best riders in the world.the best rider in the world would never do anything to harm a horse.if anything these people are cruel . even if the best rider in the world could barely sit up on a horse but never dreamed of hurting any horse they would still be the best in my opinion. how could a person do that to a horse.if my own horse even saw a bit like that he would be gone in a flash.but this is not just about bits it's about the whole equine world .we are cruel selfish people and no where near deserve an animal so great , if this is all we can come up with.😡I am disappointed with us all and we should all be ashamed😢
    I am sorry if I have upset anyone but this is the truth and I have changed and now everyone else has to.sorry😢I💖🐴
    I am writing this for my love for horses as they have helped me through the toughest of times and I owe to them this and much much more. 😙🐴🏇🐎

    • @ihateeverything3344
      @ihateeverything3344 3 роки тому +1

      Bits* it's a double bridle so it has two bits which is even worse .-.

  • @veronikajehring5264
    @veronikajehring5264 2 роки тому +5

    Unmöglich 😭😭😭

  • @luciemarinov129
    @luciemarinov129 3 роки тому +3

    Too bad they weren’t banned from showing!

  • @shuttl3_wh0
    @shuttl3_wh0 2 роки тому +2

    rolkur is absolutely discuss ting

  • @4lifer665
    @4lifer665 2 роки тому +2

    You can see how far back their pulling back on the reigns

  • @ericjurriens5630
    @ericjurriens5630 3 роки тому +6

    Afschuwelijk. Woorden schieten te kort. De paarden zijn te vriendelijk om haar van zich af te gooien. Dit heet Rolkur, zonder twijfel. Een ernstige vorm van overstrekking van de nek met veel pijn en blessures als gevolg.

    • @LindaEll89
      @LindaEll89 2 роки тому

      Op zijn Nederlands je paard in de krul trekken, van voor in de krul en van achter gespannen. In plaats van; van achter naar voor rijden waarbij het paard dmv ontspannen over de rug lopen de achterhand laat zakken en het achterbeen onder de massa brengt waardoor hij zich vanzelf gaat oprichten en je zacht contact met bit en mond krijgt. Wat we hier zien zijn smerige harde kunstjes waardoor het lijkt dat het paard ombuigt door ontspanning. Gruwelijk en dier onterend.

  • @kallykat
    @kallykat 2 роки тому +2

    Poor babies…

  • @carynfraser5509
    @carynfraser5509 2 роки тому +2

    I'd like to think that this is not common practice. What this says to me is these riders don't have real ability.
    This gives dressage a bad reputation I'm very shocked and sad to say. It's supposed to be about partnership and cooperation. Not about gadgets, artificial aids or bullying.

  • @nathaliedupont427
    @nathaliedupont427 6 років тому +12

    this is abuse!!

  • @luciad5988
    @luciad5988 2 роки тому +1

    How can these so called equestrians think this is ok? Look at those bits! Sickening.

  • @theagelessequestrian
    @theagelessequestrian 2 роки тому +2

    Now that is just disgusting.

  • @svetaioffe
    @svetaioffe 2 роки тому +3

    Бедные лошади! Это садизм в чистом виде!

  • @bobbiemooser7417
    @bobbiemooser7417 2 роки тому +1

    I see cruelty. Torture. Poor horses.

  • @thesofieful
    @thesofieful 6 років тому +8

    I'd prefer to see videos from these rides than pictures tbh, then you can better see if this is actually intentional. Not defending anybody but still. Some of these pictures didn't look like intent in all honesty.
    As it was visible on the hands and the reins being rather loose. So it's conflicting.. but this behaviour is banned so no one should need to worry anymore, atleast that's positive.

    • @coollikegrass2489
      @coollikegrass2489 5 років тому +3

      Rollkur is not banned. Rollkur achieved by aggressive force is banned BUT that is at the discretion of the judges.
      As for these "Loose hands and reins", I literally watched the video 3 times trying to find a loose rein. All I saw was a slightly less than tight curb rein in one of the pictures. All others were a straight rein which in no way, shape or form is a loose rein. Mind telling me where these "Loose Rein" photos are?

    • @thesofieful
      @thesofieful 5 років тому

      @@coollikegrass2489 I'm from Europe here it is banned, a swedish guy did it, he got removed from competition grounds. Loose reins were referred to Andreas Helgstrand and a Lot of this reins the horse do have space to move head better position btw, and some not, but the zoomed out ones show that there is space.
      To me again pictures is conflicting as of it can be a movement in that second that's captured and can look bad, which I know for a fact people do, to ruin other people's rep.
      Which is what the loose was referred too, and I did say hands not reins necessarily.
      I am not saying rollkur never happens, I'm just saying here you'll get removed and get on probation. Nor did I write this comment to start a debate about right or wrong. But this again are pictures, I don't trust that, I've seen people do this for one movement, where it could look like rollkur then snap it and pass it on as it.
      So that was more or less the point I was trying to make.

    • @daanverbaandert3235
      @daanverbaandert3235 3 роки тому +1

      i agree, a foto is an 1 second thing, i looked a lot of video's of all of them. i don't really see it back. an foto can be made on the ''wrong'' moment, that it looks like all the time.
      everyone says edward gal is torturing the hors but when i look back at the video's of him and toto, toto looks happy to perform with his ears forward.
      i also know a lot of people who are friends with him, and they all said that edward loved toto, he was his best friend. so sometime riders dont intend to do it :(

  • @robinbunner7799
    @robinbunner7799 2 роки тому +1

    This is horrible. These poor horses. I would like to tie every one of these rider's chins to their chest and see how they like it. Why isn't anyone doing anything? Greed and money. Win at all costs. Look what it is costing these horses.

  • @thepalacemaid
    @thepalacemaid 2 роки тому +2

    Sheer cruelty

  • @Ruth-i4x
    @Ruth-i4x 2 роки тому +1

    Who is Patric Kittel? I didn’t recognise any off the horses.

  • @anne-mariecass7085
    @anne-mariecass7085 2 роки тому +12

    Rollkur has now been thoroughly discredited, and the top prizes in Dressage are now given to horses going softly and freely. That's a victory for horsemanship and decency. Could I just balance things out a little by pointing out that this video is all still photographs, not film footage. There's a reason for that. These are single moments in a ride. Yes, they're bad, but they're not the whole story. For the overwhelming majority of those riders, it's quite unjust to post those pictures as typical of what they do, because if you go and look at actual video footage of them schooling or competing their horses, there's no rollkur in evidence.

  • @irenekaufer9024
    @irenekaufer9024 2 роки тому +2

    Omg! The things people do to obtain fame money at the expense of one of God's most gracious creatures!!! Get you darn hands outta his mouth and take the bits out to ouch ouch he can't move like that!!!!

  • @larissaa3465
    @larissaa3465 4 роки тому +6

    Shame on these riders

  • @nightmyst855
    @nightmyst855 2 роки тому

    Just sickening.....People that do this should have their chins tied to their chests and then forced to preform in sports. Let them see how it feels.

  • @annetteheat4110
    @annetteheat4110 3 роки тому +2

    Fucking shocking😩

  • @alyonadenikaeva5784
    @alyonadenikaeva5784 3 роки тому +1

    The "queen of piaffe" Isabell Werth also practise rollkur

  • @ka2438
    @ka2438 3 роки тому +3

    Just shows the riders have no idea where their horse’s noses are and can’t balance a horse properly with his head correctly set.

  • @elizaequestrian9760
    @elizaequestrian9760 3 роки тому +3

    Why work them this hard

  • @linda_ysanne1550
    @linda_ysanne1550 3 місяці тому

    And Minderhoud has the gall to sign the IRDC letter condemning DuJardin. Pot Kettle Black,

  • @marleneclough3173
    @marleneclough3173 2 роки тому +1

    This is?disgusting. At one time I enjoyed dressage but no more cannot watch this torture

    • @baysalldays4882
      @baysalldays4882 2 роки тому +1

      Try watching lower level dressage riders or dressage riders that have good bonds with their horse and don’t use cruel methods :) that’s what I do, and it makes me feel better seeing people with great horse bonds.

  • @maraleiber7104
    @maraleiber7104 3 роки тому +2

    Unmenschlich die Reiter gehören alle weggesperrt

  • @bettinazapkerodriguez5710
    @bettinazapkerodriguez5710 2 роки тому +1

    Eso es maltrato animal! Tortura , bestialidad, crueldad extrema. No es otra cosa

  • @rosaliewalford8020
    @rosaliewalford8020 6 років тому +6

    Disgusting.

  • @anjalamot3930
    @anjalamot3930 2 роки тому

    These people are why our sport is attacked. I hate them from the bottom of my heart. Poor horses.

  • @alisonyahna8041
    @alisonyahna8041 2 роки тому

    We should get the names of these horses not their horrible cruel toturers. Poor babies. I am so sorry.

  • @margiewheeler3236
    @margiewheeler3236 2 роки тому

    What in the name of God? Every bit as cruel as what is done to Tennessee Walkers! Both “sports” need to be banned, period.

  • @CHLOCHLOLP
    @CHLOCHLOLP 3 роки тому

    ive never done dressage and i know nothing about it really. is this like the standard method of training? i know there is a different traditional type of training that they dont use this posture in, but every time i see a video of someone doing dressage they almost always put the horse in this position so im wondering if this is seen as like the new standard?

    • @baysalldays4882
      @baysalldays4882 2 роки тому +4

      So this would be collecting and having the horse on the bit. Having the horse on the bit and having them collected is them slightly curving their head down and stretching through their neck. This makes them lift their back slightly and not be hollow. The method you see in the video is rollkur. Rollkur is not natural and is not a normal practice. Rollkur forces the horse to have their head tucked in so much that their chin is touching their chest. Properly having the horse on the bit is more loose in their neck and their movements are fluid. In rollkur, the horses movements aren’t fully fluid and can be stiff. In audition, without the rollkur method, you have to constantly give and take with your horses reins. Your horse should hold themselves up slightly, with light aids from the rider. Rollkur is pure force from the rider, which puts pain on the horses mouth.
      So nope, rollkur is not the standard method of training.

  • @privaternutzer8546
    @privaternutzer8546 3 роки тому +2

    Traurig, aber das sind NICHT die von dir genannten Reiter! Geht's noch? Du beschuldigst hier Reiter die nichts falsch gemacht haben!

  • @archangel807
    @archangel807 Рік тому

    Horse abuse by sick owners....a real skilled rider does not harm his horse

  • @george.6556
    @george.6556 Рік тому

    Fortunately where i ride im outnumbered. Everyone rides this way. Very discouraging. And painful to watch

  • @b.h.9209
    @b.h.9209 2 роки тому +2

    Widerlich..

  • @Angels1here
    @Angels1here 3 роки тому +2

    hideous

  • @suzanneborder4792
    @suzanneborder4792 2 роки тому +1

    Shameful.

  • @xhogun8578
    @xhogun8578 2 роки тому

    Why are these people not banned!

  • @coldwhitespring5004
    @coldwhitespring5004 11 місяців тому

    This is the reason I don't watch horse sports.

  • @ambera-x1k
    @ambera-x1k 2 роки тому

    😭

  • @miriammenden8258
    @miriammenden8258 2 роки тому

    Ich kotze im Strahl bei diesen Bildern 🤮😡🤬🤯
    WARUM ???

  • @rachels.6191
    @rachels.6191 Рік тому

    Horrific.

  • @karlwiesenberger2970
    @karlwiesenberger2970 2 роки тому +1

    Schrecklich

  • @karimataibi7212
    @karimataibi7212 Рік тому

    😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭

  • @user-ip1bh1of7s
    @user-ip1bh1of7s 5 років тому +1

    😭😭😭

  • @amyasawesomeasalways
    @amyasawesomeasalways 3 роки тому

    Music name?

  • @dmmchugh3714
    @dmmchugh3714 3 роки тому

    :51, 1:09, 1:10 - all of the riders - HORRIBLE ! How is this allowed ?
    And why do some of the riders lean so far back ? Doesn't that make the rollkur worse ?
    Sorry, I am not knowledgeable with about horses or dressage. Just trying to learn more.

  • @lilaboyd8388
    @lilaboyd8388 2 роки тому

    It's not right! Why don't judges/coaches notice this things! Oh the poor things! I wish dressage is ither banded or they let the horses be bittles well doing this

  • @eliseomacconi7426
    @eliseomacconi7426 2 роки тому +1

    Dressage is a violence perpetrated on horses. They’re almost tortured with terrible trainings by spoiled and frustrated riders who pour out there anger on these innocent animals. I hope that in the future this “ discipline “ will be banned from Olympic Games.

  • @ubub834
    @ubub834 3 роки тому +1

    I could spy on it. Ive read that these riders are all criminal. Pfui

    • @sarahhughes732
      @sarahhughes732 3 роки тому

      All? That should tell you immediately whatever you read isn't credible.

  • @lonieh5579
    @lonieh5579 3 роки тому

    😭💔

  • @monimoni851
    @monimoni851 2 роки тому

    😰😭

  • @MeAndMyHorses
    @MeAndMyHorses 2 роки тому

    Je laat alleen maar slechte filmpjes zien het kan ook mooi zijn

    • @LindaEll89
      @LindaEll89 2 роки тому

      Klopt als je op de juiste manier rijdt zoals Jill Huybrechts, Jolanda Adelaar en Danielle van Mierlo.

  • @george.6556
    @george.6556 Рік тому

    Disgusting. The sport of Dressage should be banned!

    • @larrybrown6068
      @larrybrown6068 Рік тому +2

      This is not dressage, this is cruel cheating.

  • @ninonmoreau4956
    @ninonmoreau4956 Рік тому

    C pas savoir monter a cheval sa se voit ils souffrent c moche mais c juste de la maltraitance je pense sincèrement que si c était le cavaliers qui étaient à leurs place il arrêterait rapidement

  • @spirit006theassassin
    @spirit006theassassin 2 роки тому

    Strašné.

  • @lmtrainshorses4650
    @lmtrainshorses4650 2 роки тому

    _gaited horse riders thinking_ "He's fixing to throw me" 😬
    OR "this horse is fixing to runaway and isn't gonna stop for anything" 😵 A chin to the chest is a real FUBAR moment with gaited horses 🤣 (which the horse does of its own, not bc the rider is trying to pull the nose in)

  • @simonalorenzacaligaris476
    @simonalorenzacaligaris476 4 місяці тому

    Non ci sono parole, solo 🤮🤮🤮🤮

  • @lucyb.7649
    @lucyb.7649 3 роки тому

    😣😣😣😣😓

  • @danielapeetz5173
    @danielapeetz5173 2 роки тому

    😭😭😭😭😡😤

  • @jupetra007
    @jupetra007 2 роки тому

    Schrecklich !!! Grausam !!!

  • @AnneBacke-p8y
    @AnneBacke-p8y Рік тому

    I hate this horse abusers!!!!