Thank you Eric and Mark for another utterly fascinating and gripping episode. I fell asleep early and woke up at 3 in the morning seen this notification and immediately got up to listen. The history of America especially from WW2 up to the Vietnam war is incredible, so much going on behind the scenes at the highest levels of government. How Mark is able to tell us all this in 2hours is quite frankly unbelievable, thanks again guys from Glasgow Scotland 🏴
Another great history lesson, Eric and Mark! Whereas these were only names from the Kennedy/Johnson administration, now we know what actually happened, thank to you both! Keep the fascinating stories coming!
Great work, Mark, but the fundamental difference between JFK and LeMay is that JFK was a humanist and could never trade innocent lives in rolls of the dice over possibly shortening a war. Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in fire bombing and A-bombing can never be an option for someone like JFK. For LeMay, people are just numbers. In any event, I'm not convinced LeMay wished for anything other than ongoing conflict in order to increase his power and wealth. A hero? No way. From another absorbed listener in the UK.
Thanks for the great research work and a good complement of information for those who love history and geopolitics in general and those of America in particular, especially for the post-WWII chronology...a welcome popularization👍🏼 However, there is room to argue with Marc and Éric, not on the facts but on the analysis. I think this show has something against the left and the Democrats...or am I wrong??😂
My father was an army Battalion commander in Erlangen Germany. He with his battalion ( 83 rd Artillery Battalion) was mobilized and went in Army active Defense location which also occurred when Kennedy was assassinated. My Mom, sister and myself were terrified. The military took all this very seriously. I believe the German Army was also deployed.This was a very serious time for the Army . I never learned what you have taught me. Thank you both very much.
I went through the same experience as you in Fort Lewis,Washington. We took my dad to McCord AFB to be deployed to Florida but luckily, it ended that night and my dad came home. Two years later, we were in Bamberg. My parents bought a VW Squareback out of Erlangen that we brought back to the States.We would go to Coburg to visit my dad when he would be there guarding the border. It was a joint American and German base. The German canteen had the best food. Hard times..great memories, just recently visited the place where I stood looking at the Manhattan skyline the day/night we got back to the States. I was euphoric. Felt great to relive that memory all these years later. 12:57
I grew up in Arlington VA and read the Washington Post everyday, plus every TV station (4) was about politics. It's great to hear Mark clarify and fill in so many blanks about our political history.
Of course there is! YT, and their two mother companies(Googs and Alpha) are all about censorship, and overarching control of information, including historically accurate data. It's insane!
It is very hard to admit that what we really believed about USA is not true, and even harder to find that security we all had .....but the same conflicts have been present for thousands of years....the names and locatuons are different. We were warned of evil, remember? This page encourages us to think for ourselves....
I think your coin icon with the bullet hole in the head is perfectly accurate... we're dealing with people who are so amoral and without conscience that they will eliminate anyone, even the leader, without a second thought, and then make themselves feel good by making a coin in his honor. My great grandmother was a BIG JFK fan and she had a hole collection of original issue Kennedy half-dollars, of which I got a few of....
It was originally designed to be the movie poster for mine and Oliver Stone's production of "Oswald". That's why I git heated. I agree with you. That was the point. Some people are so fucking stupid and sensitive it takes my breath away.
The Kennedy family seems to have a habit of making poor assessments of critical situations. . Joe, Sr., while ambassador to Britain, reported to FDR that Britian was done and could not stand. He believed that Britain would surrender. Excellent reporting. Great job. We are glad you are setting the record straight.
Yeah but considering the damage and how helpless they were at that time, im sure it seemed they would as others had. Or would. So while Joe Sr was wrong, it wasnt easy to look past what they endured. Further Joe Sr urged the US not to get involved in war. Now this would be more of an example of a bad call. But to generalize the Kennedys stumbled or failed in difficult situations isnt accurate. I think the ❤ attributed to your post should be rescinded. JFK and RFK didnt wilt from their toughest challenges. I see them quite a bit differently than Joe Sr. Certainly Joe influenced his sons. But i think they became their own men. And they took on the mob. Averted war during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Pulled back from Vietnam. Spoke on Secret Societies. Deported Marcello. And more. Certainly not perfect individuals as men or leaders. But they really werent failing us in critical times. Unless you're stuck on the Bay of Pigs or something.
@@FredPena-rd5cf Every single advisor, member of the joint chiefs of staff and the senior congressional advisors called for a full scale invasion of Cuba. This included all former living presidents. Not sure what Joseph Kennedy had to do with any of this. Or Rose for that matter.
@@AmericasUntoldStories Joe didnt have anything to do with that. As i said JFK prevented war with Russia and perhaps a nuclear strike. Go back and read. I didnt attribute this to Joe. I listed as some of the critical moments JFK and RFK faced. Go back and read and youll be sure... and Rose? Ok, whatever. I don't recall sayng anything about Rose. Sure you're responding to the right post? Thx
I knew an older NCO who recalled meeting LeMay. This NCO was a young airman Air Police standing guard on an aircraft. General LeMay came up to him, asked him when he was last relieved, and if he had eaten. My friend had not so LeMay turned to the Base Chief Air Police and said "Get this man a sandwich and relief." My friend got both. He really cared about the service people... provided you did what he wanted, the way he wanted, when he wanted,,how he wanted... as I understand it.
@@AmericasUntoldStories Thanks for letting them know, as one of LeMay's "children" I understand he was a complex man, but who isn't by the time they achieve that rank and position. And I mean... the path he took to get there from HIS childhood! Remarkable.
Eric and Mark, You are 100% correct on peace thru strength. I was beaten up as a kid. I signed up for karate , Tae Kwon do and later kung fu lessons. I nevver got in a fight but i did not tolerate bullying or being pushed around. It works just having confidence. Same applies to our nation. Jack
A few episodes ago, in the description of Curtis LeMay's behavior during an autopsy of the President of USA, assassinated in a well organised conspiracy, it was described as the pinacle of an insolence and arrogance, while in this episode, Curtis LeMay receives only understanding and support. How such a drastic change of opinion is possible?
@@optoeconomist I completely agree with your point of view. In fact, I thought Mark was seriously influenced by some scenes from the movie "Thirteen Days" and LeMay's insistence that a permanent solution to the Cuban Missile Crisis was possible and desirable by the US military. In the part of the film when the crisis arose, JFK is shown as a vacillator who rejects all the proposed military solutions, devised by the military commanders in chief, which would be a permanent solution to forever solve all the problems with Castro and Cuba, because the complete failure of the paramilitary operation in the Bay of Pigs designed by Alan Dulles and the CIA, and "operated" by the Eisenhower administration, while JFK inherited that unwanted problem that was still ringing in the ears of the US military in 1962. Even in the film that Mark watched the day before this episode, one can sense that the real reason for the creation of the conspiracy to kill JFK was caused by the fear of the military and power centers that in the event of a new conflict between the USA and the USSR, JFK, due to his indecision and weakness, could again give in to Russian demands because he cannot resolve of his intellectual delusions about pacifism (as the army interpreted every attempt to avoid the MAD scenario during early years of the Cold War) and that he would surely give in to the Russians again, which would surely lead the USA and NATO to an even more difficult and unfavorable geopolitical situation.
@@optoeconomistI have seen on YT an interview with someone who was present (a doctor, I think) at the Bethesda autopsy who did claim that LeMay was in fact present puffing away on his ever present cigar. In fact, the smoke was so thick that LeMay was asked by medical personnel to put the stoagie out, to which LeMay responded by blowing smoke in the person’s face. I can’t remember who or when, but I do recall that. Signed, Former SAC BUFF guy who was extremely happy that SAC had prohibited smoking on all SAC aircraft prior to his SAC/ACC service. (‘86-‘92)
Kennedy was No Angel .. He double crossed the MOB after receiving their help to get elected. He double crossed the CIA at the Bay of Pigs by not providing Air Cover that was promised-getting people killed. He double crossed Freedom Loving people everywhere by being soft on Communism.. with the USSR, with Cuba, and with Vietnam. LeMay was a WW2 hero.. and was just 1 of many who felt squashing Cuba for the act of setting up ICBM's there was insurance to American survival. Kennedy's softness on Communism was happening just 10 years beyond Mao's killing of 70 Million of his own countrymen during "the Great Leap Forward". Outside eyes saw Kennedy's repeated actions- being a boon to Communist efforts everywhere. LeMay was versed on Kennedy .. You want someone's tainted view of LeMay at the Autopsy to be the standard? There was much more at stake and on the table than behavior at an Autopsy. Here's a little pro tip .... a. Don't double cross the Mob b. Don't double cross the CIA c. Don't help.. through your softness.. the greatest mass murderers in human history/communist.
The video is true. In the 1980s, Barry Goldwater gave an interview he said he had asked the Air Force to tell him everything they know about UFOs, and the Air Force told him no.
Beaumont, TX, appreciates the "shout out." No museum here for Edgar Winter, but we do have one for the world's greatest all-sport athlete, Babe Zaharias. Please stop by on your next visit to SE TX.
I live in north Houston. They should have a museum for Johnny Winter - a all time great guitarist. Port Arthur and the Janis Museum is close. I love Spindletop and the Energy Museum in Beaumont.
I am so refreshed by the unflinching honesty and revealing insight of America's Untold Stories. The History Channel and similar network type history programming has been alternately frustrating and boring viewers with genuinely inquisitive minds to sleep for years. I totally agree that it's time to stop institutionalizing a "down on America" Marxist view of the world in a democratic republic!
Started laughing out loud when I heard that James Coburn mention , it was my father’s 31st anniversary yesterday and I was talking to my friend who said,I wonder if your father could come back to life for one day what’s the first thing he would say and without a doubt I know that it would be “why the fuck don’t men sound like James Coburn anymore “ 😂😂
I am yelling at my son who’s shouting why aren’t we leaving the store while I sit in the car excited to post a comment and make him wait while I gleefully watch the lbj intro. Love America and live entertainment
Good stuff. Reminds me of the history professor and author, Sean McMeekin, whose talks you need to listen to two or three times, there is so much substance.
Always a Karen complaining about something! Great video, I'm binge-watching all these, can't wait to plug-in and watch you guys when I get home from work. It's called "me time". Keep up the great work, and, know we all support you guys.
Nicely done with fun and good info - provides a legitimate and welcomed alternate perspective on LeMay. I am still on the fence whether or not he actively violated his oath office, as we know many did, in connection with the removal of the Kennedy brothers.
Found this by sheer luck, no way the YT-algo would show it to me, I googled to find out more about LeMay, found some old school blog about JFK and Gen. LeMay, and they had this vid. embedded. But now I'm subscribed, and hope I will not miss more interesting info from you. Thanks!
The level of compartmentalization, combined with classified/redacted documents and the ceaseless propaganda don't exactly make it easy to get the truth. Mark has a helluva lot more patience than me to sift through all that stuff and organize it in a way that is palatable, in order to present it to people. Just another reason I love this channel.
Aloha! from Maui war zone! I have many untold stories about America. Uncle Charles was a B-29 Commander. His youth time growing up in Boston 1920 - 1940. Cape Cod Air National Guard Commander. 1960s.
What a fascinating show. I am interested in determining the central figures responsible for furthering the COLD War other than the typical candidates. I think the Dulles brothers are high on that list as well.
The Dulles brothers could possibly be responsible for more death than any given dictator - if you take into account the number of wars that have been started only because of the apparatus they really started and propagated.
Interesting enough, when Showtime was making the Roswell movie. They made a compilation sketch of people who allegely saw the wreck. What came out wasn't saucer shaped, but more of a delta or manta ray shape. In fact the name 'Flaying Saucer" was a misnomer from Kenneth Arnold who had a sighting of a flight of cresent shaped craft in Washington. Keneth said they were flying like "Saucers skipping across water".
Russian comrade dude named Archipov literally // actually saved the world!! He was Cmdr of the Soviet sub fleet: 2 other officers wanted to go but Archy said NIET...which is why WW 3 did not go Oct 1962
@@AmericasUntoldStories Vasiliy Aleksandrovich Arkhipov was chief of staff of 69th submarine brigade of Northern Fleet and was designated as an officer in charge of flotilla. As such he outranked B-59's captain Valentin Grigorievich Savitskiy, who he knew personally since WWII. Political officer on B-59 was Ivan Semyonovich Maslennikov, and whether or not he was involved in this situation at all depends on the source. According to "Подводники в Карибском Кризисе" ("Submariners in Caribbean Crisis" by military historian Mikhail Petrovich Komarov), B-59 had to surface to recharge batteries that were almost completely drained. Before surfacing, captain Savitskiy ordered torpedo room to prepare for combat and flood the torpedo tubes. When surfaced, submarine was soon detected, buzzed by aircraft, blinded by searchlights, and received such volume of warning shots that voice communication on the bridge was nearly impossible. At that point Savitskiy allegedly ordered "emergency dive, torpedo tubes 1 and 2 stand by for firing". Only tube 1 was loaded with "special purpose weapon", and it is impossible to determine if he intended to fire a nuclear torpedo, or wanted a conventional salvo and made a mistake. Either way, it was Arkhipov who was about to leave the bridge noticed that US ship tried to communicate via semaphore. He ordered to cancel the dive order, and communicated to US ships his demand to stop the provocation.
At Offutt Nov. 22 63 we walked home from bellvue junior high early and Offutt was locked up tight. Off base but lived on base. The gate gaurd checked us real close as we walked by. Then dad was gone but came home all weekend.
@r.w.b.7683 0 seconds ago I was nearly 8 years old in late August of 1958, when, with my family, took our vacation, driving to Florida from Iowa. On a whim my parents decided to show my brother an I Havana. I recall the DC-9 we were lost and engine and my mother's grip draining the blood from my hand. I also remember the sandbags fortifications we threaded through at the hotel entrance when we were checking in. My mother staying up and alert all through the night out of the sudden fear she has unadvertedly cause by choosing to come to a foreign country. I also recall all the wild commotion in the street. Day and night there was this pronounced excitement and palatable fear that impressed me greatly even for being an 8 year old. Compare even to the excitement of Miami beach during the summer the street of Havana that summer was definitely extraordinary. Even though I couldn't understand the language, I sense the anxiety. Both the anxiety and the joy of the approaching "liberation". The opportunity probably of what revolution might offer the poor Cubans. The following my parents were definitely relieved when the planes wheels finally left the runway for our return to America.
13 Days was an excellent film. Regarding Marks observations about Kenny O’Donnell not actually being present, the artistic license taken in putting him front and centre of the drama was to give the audience an ‘Everyman’ figure that could act as their surrogate to navigate the complex political machinations that the plot goes through. Of course, Costner playing the role helped monumentally with the financing of the film necessitating an elevation in importance of the O’Donnell role in terms of its significance. I found the film gripping and extremely well made and historical accuracies aside, a great thriller … which is a real achievement when you consider it’s mainly an extended selection of scenes containing men in meetings with each other…!
U.S. concept of & total belief in military superiority is what got us into Korea, Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan. LeMay was right for the second world war, wrong for what followed. "Peace through Strength" has kept the U.S. in almost constant war since '46. And, as to invading Cuba, how did invading Iraq work out for everyone involved? And, the only people who know what nuclear war actually means somewhat survived in what was left in Japan. Anyone else knows nothing except militaristic rhetoric. Removing the Soviet missiles in '62 was played off removing non-pivotal U.S. missiles in Turkey & stopped a possible nuclear meltdown. Fortunately, the Kennedys had the brains to understand this. Reagan was Johnson with movie presence. Both owned by the 1% who don't give a shit about anything but money & power. Both were devastating for this nation.
Yes i agree, mark has called this one wrong. Basically advocating the US dropping nuclear bombs all over the world where there is any resistence vietnam, cuba etc, its madness.
Eric, If ya have an equalizer, drop the highest frequencies when playing old clips that are shrill toned . Just a suggestion. Thanks guys Mark, let's jam sometime....🎼
For your 2 year you should do a video of the top 5 facts that can't be argued that point to conspiracy. I think that wide net would get you some more momentum too.
Wow! This all starts to make sense. Thanks for giving your info to us. I was attracted to this video just because my father was an Air Force colonel and would be overheard talking to his buddies about old man LeMay. I had to laugh at the pic of him on the "go cart" still with his cigar in his mouth. (Probably a Cuban cigar).
A good read that sheds more light on both McNamara and LeMay's connection in the rush to implement the M16/AR15 into combat service is called "Misfire", by Orkand and Duryea. This book also touches on the the TFX/F-111 procurement and production. The Kennedy's didn't seem to be big players in this decision making process.
The dance is called the Cossack Dance or Hopak. My dad used to do it- after he had downed a drink or two at his party for his students. He had wanted to be a professional dancer but WW2 messed that up- and as a gymnast he smashed his back- and had to have two vertebrae removed, so he often had backache after doing the dance.
I am old enough to have been in my early 20s during the Cuban missile crisis. I voted for Nixon in 1060. But my view AT THE TIME. was a) LeMay was relatively well known and frequently in the news and b) Kennedy was totally right on Viet Nam. I have never been on the left.
There were 3 Soviet submarines armed with nuclear torpedoes, one of which was ready to launch it's torpedo while the US Navy was trying to force it to surface by dropping practice depth charges during the Cuban blockade. Only the Soviet task force Admiral aboard the submarine prevented the launch of the torpedo.
Entertaining as always fellas ... curious why you glossed over the fact that LeMay's Nov 22nd flight actually originated from Wiarton, Ontario Canada when he was "hunting and fishing in northern Minnesota"? Of course, they're adjacent to each other across the lake - but it he was spending his time on the Michigan side (and got there originally), why would he need to come to Canada to get back to DC on that date?
I disagree with about 90% of what Mark says but damn he is funny. His response to the woman who was triggered by the silver dollar thumbnail was priceless.
Another great two episodes, which also made me think of an alternate 1960 (one of many!) Wallace clearly wanted to put the election into the House and Senate (House for P, Senate for V-P, House delegations voting as blocs.) If that cadre of Southern Democrat electors in 1960 who didn't want Kennedy had had 8 more votes, and Illinoi's electoral votes were disputed because its actual paper votes were, you can see LBJ being touted as a 'unifying statesman' in the House by Sam Rayburn with some alternate VP. Wallace probably thought that he could do something similar and force a Southern VP in over Agnew or Muskie in 68. Amazed that hasn't happened since 1824
Another absolutely outstanding episode. Like so much of what you've put together for our enlightenment this past 2 years, it throws a fine-focus on how America (NATO and the West more broadly) has arrived at the position it finds itself today. Brilliant stuff guys; thanks 👍🏻🇮🇪
Those of us who study history understand "peace through strength". AKA " walk softly but carry a big stick". Building up the strategic arsenal was so we wouldn't have to use it. My opinion,also is that had Goldwater won in 1964 he would have ended Vietnam War quickly by doing just what you said...hitting Hanoi hard. He wasn't a friend of the industrial military complex. Think of all the money made with the war going 10 more years.
I had to do a book report on Robert Kennedy when I was in school and I read a couple of books about him and his family I remember that they had a seal or a pet dolphin named Sandy and perfect example of Robert Kennedy was that one time when he was a young man I think he might have been around 15 he was playing a tennis match and he lost the match and he took his tennis racket and threw it and basically threw a temper tantrum and JFK took him to the side and ripped into him and told him that is not the way a leader acts and clean up his attitude and made him apologize to the person that had beat him that's the difference between the two men JFK did not carry the attitude of entitlement but Robert Kennedy did and was very very competitive and didn't like to lose PERIOD!!!!!
Thank you for your reply . I joined your locals last week . Love the show and what you guy’s are doing with delivering the raw truth of our history as means to learn from it . Being apart of the millennial generation , I deeply appreciate it , we desperately need the truth your are delivering.
Hi Eric and mark,mark made a statement that he seen footage of a lee Enfield being carried off the roof of tsb well I found in Jim garrson s on the trail book a reference to that exact footage and I will put in the comments the company's name whom took that footage unfortunately I left the book at work so tomorrow I will put the name of the company in the comments here but when I came across that two days ago at work reading I thought immediately of mark thanks William from Pittsburgh
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Thank you Eric and Mark for another utterly fascinating and gripping episode. I fell asleep early and woke up at 3 in the morning seen this notification and immediately got up to listen. The history of America especially from WW2 up to the Vietnam war is incredible, so much going on behind the scenes at the highest levels of government. How Mark is able to tell us all this in 2hours is quite frankly unbelievable, thanks again guys from Glasgow Scotland 🏴
Thank you Hutman! Lots of haters out there.
@@AmericasUntoldStories This channel is superb mate, number 1 for me for sure. It’s built on you two guys and the amount of work you put into it 👏
Another great history lesson, Eric and Mark! Whereas these were only names from the Kennedy/Johnson administration, now we know what actually happened, thank to you both! Keep the fascinating stories coming!
Great work, Mark, but the fundamental difference between JFK and LeMay is that JFK was a humanist and could never trade innocent lives in rolls of the dice over possibly shortening a war. Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in fire bombing and A-bombing can never be an option for someone like JFK. For LeMay, people are just numbers. In any event, I'm not convinced LeMay wished for anything other than ongoing conflict in order to increase his power and wealth. A hero? No way. From another absorbed listener in the UK.
Thanks for the great research work and a good complement of information for those who love history and geopolitics in general and those of America in particular, especially for the post-WWII chronology...a welcome popularization👍🏼
However, there is room to argue with Marc and Éric, not on the facts but on the analysis.
I think this show has something against the left and the Democrats...or am I wrong??😂
My father was an army Battalion commander in Erlangen Germany. He with his battalion ( 83 rd Artillery Battalion) was mobilized and went in Army active Defense location which also occurred when Kennedy was assassinated. My Mom, sister and myself were terrified. The military took all this very seriously. I believe the German Army was also deployed.This was a very serious time for the Army .
I never learned what you have taught me. Thank you both very much.
My husband was in Germany too. His job was to fly nuclear bombs and drop them on the pass between Germany and Italy. He knew he wasn’t coming back.
I went through the same experience as you in Fort Lewis,Washington. We took my dad to McCord AFB to be deployed to Florida but luckily, it ended that night and my dad came home. Two years later, we were in Bamberg. My parents bought a VW Squareback out of Erlangen that we brought back to the States.We would go to Coburg to visit my dad when he would be there guarding the border. It was a joint American and German base. The German canteen had the best food. Hard times..great memories, just recently visited the place where I stood looking at the Manhattan skyline the day/night we got back to the States. I was euphoric. Felt great to relive that memory all these years later. 12:57
I grew up in Arlington VA and read the Washington Post everyday, plus every TV station (4) was about politics. It's great to hear Mark clarify and fill in so many blanks about our political history.
This channel is my happy place. I can only conclude there's some sort of agenda in place; that this page is not at 100k. Informative and entertaining.
Of course there is! YT, and their two mother companies(Googs and Alpha) are all about censorship, and overarching control of information, including historically accurate data. It's insane!
ITS A TRAP
It is very hard to admit that what we really believed about USA is not true, and even harder to find that security we all had .....but the same conflicts have been present for thousands of years....the names and locatuons are different. We were warned of evil, remember? This page encourages us to think for ourselves....
I think your coin icon with the bullet hole in the head is perfectly accurate... we're dealing with people who are so amoral and without conscience that they will eliminate anyone, even the leader, without a second thought, and then make themselves feel good by making a coin in his honor. My great grandmother was a BIG JFK fan and she had a hole collection of original issue Kennedy half-dollars, of which I got a few of....
It was originally designed to be the movie poster for mine and Oliver Stone's production of "Oswald". That's why I git heated. I agree with you. That was the point. Some people are so fucking stupid and sensitive it takes my breath away.
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You two are the best duo on any streaming platform.
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The Kennedy family seems to have a habit of making poor assessments of critical situations. . Joe, Sr., while ambassador to Britain, reported to FDR that Britian was done and could not stand. He believed that Britain would surrender.
Excellent reporting. Great job. We are glad you are setting the record straight.
Thank you so much Ron. Taking a lot of heat for it.
Yeah but considering the damage and how helpless they were at that time, im sure it seemed they would as others had. Or would. So while Joe Sr was wrong, it wasnt easy to look past what they endured. Further Joe Sr urged the US not to get involved in war. Now this would be more of an example of a bad call. But to generalize the Kennedys stumbled or failed in difficult situations isnt accurate. I think the ❤ attributed to your post should be rescinded. JFK and RFK didnt wilt from their toughest challenges. I see them quite a bit differently than Joe Sr.
Certainly Joe influenced his sons. But i think they became their own men. And they took on the mob. Averted war during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Pulled back from Vietnam. Spoke on Secret Societies. Deported Marcello. And more. Certainly not perfect individuals as men or leaders. But they really werent failing us in critical times. Unless you're stuck on the Bay of Pigs or something.
@@FredPena-rd5cf Every single advisor, member of the joint chiefs of staff and the senior congressional advisors called for a full scale invasion of Cuba. This included all former living presidents. Not sure what Joseph Kennedy had to do with any of this. Or Rose for that matter.
@@AmericasUntoldStories Joe didnt have anything to do with that. As i said JFK prevented war with Russia and perhaps a nuclear strike. Go back and read. I didnt attribute this to Joe. I listed as some of the critical moments JFK and RFK faced. Go back and read and youll be sure... and Rose? Ok, whatever. I don't recall sayng anything about Rose. Sure you're responding to the right post? Thx
I knew an older NCO who recalled meeting LeMay. This NCO was a young airman Air Police standing guard on an aircraft. General LeMay came up to him, asked him when he was last relieved, and if he had eaten. My friend had not so LeMay turned to the Base Chief Air Police and said "Get this man a sandwich and relief." My friend got both. He really cared about the service people... provided you did what he wanted, the way he wanted, when he wanted,,how he wanted... as I understand it.
Thanks Kevin. That's why I did the episode. People should know that about LeMay.
@@AmericasUntoldStories Thanks for letting them know, as one of LeMay's "children" I understand he was a complex man, but who isn't by the time they achieve that rank and position. And I mean... the path he took to get there from HIS childhood! Remarkable.
Eric and Mark,
You are 100% correct on peace thru strength. I was beaten up as a kid. I signed up for karate , Tae Kwon do and later kung fu lessons. I nevver got in a fight but i did not tolerate bullying or being pushed around. It works just having confidence. Same applies to our nation.
Jack
Truly eye-opening revelations. Thanks so much! Sometimes I worry about your safety in speaking about the unspeakable. I appreciate it all the more.
I am thinking that also. This is damming stuff.
Le may looks crazy and quite capable. Of doing any number deadly deeds a definitive war hawk
Another BANGER🔥👌💪 the fact that you have more and more haters means you are doing something right!
My dad's commander was Lemay for many years in the 50s and 60s. My dad liked Lemay and thought highly of him.
everyone did!
Mine too -- dad was USAF and we were stationed at Homestead in the early 60's. LeMay was considered an icon!
Knew Marines who said crazy psychopath as Lemnitzer
A few episodes ago, in the description of Curtis LeMay's behavior during an autopsy of the President of USA, assassinated in a well organised conspiracy, it was described as the pinacle of an insolence and arrogance, while in this episode, Curtis LeMay receives only understanding and support. How such a drastic change of opinion is possible?
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I completely agree with your point of view. In fact, I thought Mark was seriously influenced by some scenes from the movie "Thirteen Days" and LeMay's insistence that a permanent solution to the Cuban Missile Crisis was possible and desirable by the US military. In the part of the film when the crisis arose, JFK is shown as a vacillator who rejects all the proposed military solutions, devised by the military commanders in chief, which would be a permanent solution to forever solve all the problems with Castro and Cuba, because the complete failure of the paramilitary operation in the Bay of Pigs designed by Alan Dulles and the CIA, and "operated" by the Eisenhower administration, while JFK inherited that unwanted problem that was still ringing in the ears of the US military in 1962. Even in the film that Mark watched the day before this episode, one can sense that the real reason for the creation of the conspiracy to kill JFK was caused by the fear of the military and power centers that in the event of a new conflict between the USA and the USSR, JFK, due to his indecision and weakness, could again give in to Russian demands because he cannot resolve of his intellectual delusions about pacifism (as the army interpreted every attempt to avoid the MAD scenario during early years of the Cold War) and that he would surely give in to the Russians again, which would surely lead the USA and NATO to an even more difficult and unfavorable geopolitical situation.
That moment was very well described.
@@optoeconomistI have seen on YT an interview with someone who was present (a doctor, I think) at the Bethesda autopsy who did claim that LeMay was in fact present puffing away on his ever present cigar. In fact, the smoke was so thick that LeMay was asked by medical personnel to put the stoagie out, to which LeMay responded by blowing smoke in the person’s face. I can’t remember who or when, but I do recall that.
Signed,
Former SAC BUFF guy who was extremely happy that SAC had prohibited smoking on all SAC aircraft prior to his SAC/ACC service. (‘86-‘92)
Kennedy was No Angel .. He double crossed the MOB after receiving their help to get elected. He double crossed the CIA at the Bay of Pigs by not providing Air Cover that was promised-getting people killed. He double crossed Freedom Loving people everywhere by being soft on Communism.. with the USSR, with Cuba, and with Vietnam. LeMay was a WW2 hero.. and was just 1 of many who felt squashing Cuba for the act of setting up ICBM's there was insurance to American survival. Kennedy's softness on Communism was happening just 10 years beyond Mao's killing of 70 Million of his own countrymen during "the Great Leap Forward". Outside eyes saw Kennedy's repeated actions- being a boon to Communist efforts everywhere. LeMay was versed on Kennedy .. You want someone's tainted view of LeMay at the Autopsy to be the standard? There was much more at stake and on the table than behavior at an Autopsy. Here's a little pro tip .... a. Don't double cross the Mob b. Don't double cross the CIA c. Don't help.. through your softness.. the greatest mass murderers in human history/communist.
Best show! I wait eagerly each week for the next one. Thanks.
The video is true. In the 1980s, Barry Goldwater gave an interview he said he had asked the Air Force to tell him everything they know about UFOs, and the Air Force told him no.
Jfk was so level headed and diplomatic. He believed in peace and I truly believe he could've accomplished so much for our country. 😢
Yup. The neocons got him!
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Excellent job, gentlemen. We are so thankful for everything you do. 😊
Beaumont, TX, appreciates the "shout out." No museum here for Edgar Winter, but we do have one for the world's greatest all-sport athlete, Babe Zaharias. Please stop by on your next visit to SE TX.
I live in north Houston. They should have a museum for Johnny Winter - a all time great guitarist. Port Arthur and the Janis Museum is close. I love Spindletop and the Energy Museum in Beaumont.
Yes could not agree more: JOHNNY WINTER is outrageously fabulous guitar player...so great. Regards to his Bro Edgar too -- cool musicians!
Johnny and Edgar Winter will never be forgotten ❤🎼
I am so refreshed by the unflinching honesty and revealing insight of America's Untold Stories. The History Channel and similar network type history programming has been alternately frustrating and boring viewers with genuinely inquisitive minds to sleep for years.
I totally agree that it's time to stop institutionalizing a "down on America" Marxist view of the world in a democratic republic!
Brilliant channel, best wishes and thanks from Great Britain.
Love you!
Another great show!!! So much information its hard to keep up with it.
More to come!
Soo interesting!! You guy's are the BEST!! 👍
I'm from the UK and I love your show. Mark is great and Eric is cool. Keep the history flowing 👍
Found this by accident. Very informative. Mark is an encyclopedia.
Started laughing out loud when I heard that James Coburn mention , it was my father’s 31st anniversary yesterday and I was talking to my friend who said,I wonder if your father could come back to life for one day what’s the first thing he would say and without a doubt I know that it would be “why the fuck don’t men sound like James Coburn anymore “ 😂😂
Can I add, Lee Marvin 😊
I am yelling at my son who’s shouting why aren’t we leaving the store while I sit in the car excited to post a comment and make him wait while I gleefully watch the lbj intro. Love America and live entertainment
Great show once again !!!! You guys make a awesome team , great teachers of history!!
Good stuff. Reminds me of the history professor and author, Sean McMeekin, whose talks you need to listen to two or three times, there is so much substance.
I love the programme . History with attitude & accurate to a fault . You pair are a mine of information . Thank you both for posting .
I have learned more from these guys than I did in college.
u must have gone to trump univ
@@marcmarinacci7378 At least I learned grammar.
Always a Karen complaining about something! Great video, I'm binge-watching all these, can't wait to plug-in and watch you guys when I get home from work. It's called "me time". Keep up the great work, and, know we all support you guys.
Nicely done with fun and good info - provides a legitimate and welcomed alternate perspective on LeMay. I am still on the fence whether or not he actively violated his oath office, as we know many did, in connection with the removal of the Kennedy brothers.
Found this by sheer luck, no way the YT-algo would show it to me, I googled to find out more about LeMay, found some old school blog about JFK and Gen. LeMay, and they had this vid. embedded. But now I'm subscribed, and hope I will not miss more interesting info from you. Thanks!
Great show again guys. Now I can see how hard it is to pin down the people involved in the Kennedy plot 👍🏻
But there's no ignoring CIA, LBJ, Military Industrial Complex, Hoover, and their partnership with the mafia.
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Don't forget Secret Service, DPD..It can be just added "unknown entities"..
The level of compartmentalization, combined with classified/redacted documents and the ceaseless propaganda don't exactly make it easy to get the truth. Mark has a helluva lot more patience than me to sift through all that stuff and organize it in a way that is palatable, in order to present it to people. Just another reason I love this channel.
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Thanks for the enlightenment. Great stuff. God bless from Thailand.
Fascinating… thanks for all your hard work
Great work, Mark and Eric. Love your show guys. Keep up the good work.
Only have a few hours a week to listen to POD’s, this is mainstay
Fascinating stuff! Love you guys! 😇💖🙏🙌🇸🇪
Aloha! from Maui war zone! I have many untold stories about America. Uncle Charles was a B-29 Commander. His youth time growing up in Boston 1920 - 1940. Cape Cod Air National Guard Commander. 1960s.
Thank you for your episodes. Love the way you connect the dots
Twins were thinking of drafting Fidel Castro as a left handed pitcher. Would really have changed history.
What a fascinating show. I am interested in determining the central figures responsible for furthering the COLD War other than the typical candidates. I think the Dulles brothers are high on that list as well.
The Dulles brothers could possibly be responsible for more death than any given dictator - if you take into account the number of wars that have been started only because of the apparatus they really started and propagated.
Interesting enough, when Showtime was making the Roswell movie. They made a compilation sketch of people who allegely saw the wreck. What came out wasn't saucer shaped, but more of a delta or manta ray shape. In fact the name 'Flaying Saucer" was a misnomer from Kenneth Arnold who had a sighting of a flight of cresent shaped craft in Washington. Keneth said they were flying like "Saucers skipping across water".
People don't subscribe because they think their phones might get tapped ,my phone is already tapped so I subscribe and like every video I watch
Russian comrade dude named Archipov literally // actually saved the world!! He was Cmdr of the Soviet sub fleet: 2 other officers wanted to go but Archy said NIET...which is why WW 3 did not go Oct 1962
He was the political advisor not the commander.
@@AmericasUntoldStories Vasiliy Aleksandrovich Arkhipov was chief of staff of 69th submarine brigade of Northern Fleet and was designated as an officer in charge of flotilla. As such he outranked B-59's captain Valentin Grigorievich Savitskiy, who he knew personally since WWII.
Political officer on B-59 was Ivan Semyonovich Maslennikov, and whether or not he was involved in this situation at all depends on the source.
According to "Подводники в Карибском Кризисе" ("Submariners in Caribbean Crisis" by military historian Mikhail Petrovich Komarov), B-59 had to surface to recharge batteries that were almost completely drained. Before surfacing, captain Savitskiy ordered torpedo room to prepare for combat and flood the torpedo tubes. When surfaced, submarine was soon detected, buzzed by aircraft, blinded by searchlights, and received such volume of warning shots that voice communication on the bridge was nearly impossible.
At that point Savitskiy allegedly ordered "emergency dive, torpedo tubes 1 and 2 stand by for firing". Only tube 1 was loaded with "special purpose weapon", and it is impossible to determine if he intended to fire a nuclear torpedo, or wanted a conventional salvo and made a mistake. Either way, it was Arkhipov who was about to leave the bridge noticed that US ship tried to communicate via semaphore. He ordered to cancel the dive order, and communicated to US ships his demand to stop the provocation.
At Offutt Nov. 22 63 we walked home from bellvue junior high early and Offutt was locked up tight. Off base but lived on base. The gate gaurd checked us real close as we walked by. Then dad was gone but came home all weekend.
I wish we had a Curtis LeMay today. Someone needs to step up to save the day. Great show guys. God bless America 🇺🇸
One of the reasons I did the show
yes, let's kick off WW3 with a bang! Sad.
a demented racist moronic fascist pos? we have tons of them !!
My favorite show!!!
Always enjoy your shows.
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I was nearly 8 years old in late August of 1958, when, with my family, took our vacation, driving to Florida from Iowa. On a whim my parents decided to show my brother an I Havana. I recall the DC-9 we were lost and engine and my mother's grip draining the blood from my hand. I also remember the sandbags fortifications we threaded through at the hotel entrance when we were checking in. My mother staying up and alert all through the night out of the sudden fear she has unadvertedly cause by choosing to come to a foreign country. I also recall all the wild commotion in the street. Day and night there was this pronounced excitement and palatable fear that impressed me greatly even for being an 8 year old. Compare even to the excitement of Miami beach during the summer the street of Havana that summer was definitely extraordinary. Even though I couldn't understand the language, I sense the anxiety. Both the anxiety and the joy of the approaching "liberation". The opportunity probably of what revolution might offer the poor Cubans. The following my parents were definitely relieved when the planes wheels finally left the runway for our return to America.
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Thank you!
13 Days was an excellent film. Regarding Marks observations about Kenny O’Donnell not actually being present, the artistic license taken in putting him front and centre of the drama was to give the audience an ‘Everyman’ figure that could act as their surrogate to navigate the complex political machinations that the plot goes through. Of course, Costner playing the role helped monumentally with the financing of the film necessitating an elevation in importance of the O’Donnell role in terms of its significance. I found the film gripping and extremely well made and historical accuracies aside, a great thriller … which is a real achievement when you consider it’s mainly an extended selection of scenes containing men in meetings with each other…!
Rehearing this again and amazed with your powerful b.s. detector in all your work.
Yes, we "ended" Vietnam......hanging onto a Huey from the top of the embassy...... leaving the gate wide open for Pol Pot.
U.S. concept of & total belief in military superiority is what got us into Korea, Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan. LeMay was right for the second world war, wrong for what followed. "Peace through Strength" has kept the U.S. in almost constant war since '46. And, as to invading Cuba, how did invading Iraq work out for everyone involved? And, the only people who know what nuclear war actually means somewhat survived in what was left in Japan. Anyone else knows nothing except militaristic rhetoric.
Removing the Soviet missiles in '62 was played off removing non-pivotal U.S. missiles in Turkey & stopped a possible nuclear meltdown. Fortunately, the Kennedys had the brains to understand this.
Reagan was Johnson with movie presence. Both owned by the 1% who don't give a shit about anything but money & power. Both were devastating for this nation.
Yes i agree, mark has called this one wrong. Basically advocating the US dropping nuclear bombs all over the world where there is any resistence vietnam, cuba etc, its madness.
@@michaelanderson7708this channel is starting to go off the rails…
Eric,
If ya have an equalizer, drop the highest frequencies when playing old clips that are shrill toned .
Just a suggestion.
Thanks guys
Mark, let's jam sometime....🎼
in the film 'my favorite year,' Peter O'Tools s stage actor of note, says, on his death bed, "dying is easy. comedy is hard'.
For your 2 year you should do a video of the top 5 facts that can't be argued that point to conspiracy. I think that wide net would get you some more momentum too.
Finally!!
Love your channel!
What about the small nuclear bombs/artillery that they had in Cuba unknown to the chiefs of staff. They would have used them on the invading force.
From what I heard and read, release authorization for small tactical nukes was given to local commanders in case of invasion.
Excellent. Learning a lot.
Wow! This all starts to make sense. Thanks for giving your info to us. I was attracted to this video just because my father was an Air Force colonel and would be overheard talking to his buddies about old man LeMay.
I had to laugh at the pic of him on the "go cart" still with his cigar in his mouth. (Probably a Cuban cigar).
A good read that sheds more light on both McNamara and LeMay's connection in the rush to implement the M16/AR15 into combat service is called "Misfire", by Orkand and Duryea. This book also touches on the the TFX/F-111 procurement and production. The Kennedy's didn't seem to be big players in this decision making process.
The dance is called the Cossack Dance or Hopak. My dad used to do it- after he had downed a drink or two at his party for his students. He had wanted to be a professional dancer but WW2 messed that up- and as a gymnast he smashed his back- and had to have two vertebrae removed, so he often had backache after doing the dance.
Thank God for Eric and mark who DO tell the truth❤
Great work Mark and Eric.
Think I've watched this one 3 times
I am old enough to have been in my early 20s during the Cuban missile crisis. I voted for Nixon in 1060. But my view AT THE TIME. was a) LeMay was relatively well known and frequently in the news and b) Kennedy was totally right on Viet Nam. I have never been on the left.
awesome work guys, i should say so when i think it more often..
Mark talks about getting the facts right. Agreed. Roger Donaldson is not Australian. He's a New Zealander... and they make some great films.
Love this channel
Oh Dear - another of my fave films blown out the water! Can you recommend a film of the Cuban missile crisis that IS accurate?
Sorry. Hollywood prevented that.
Has the DEFCON system changed from the 1960’s, I ask because DEFCON 1 is now the most severe and DEFCON 5 is the least severe.
5 is lowest
Love you guys. What is your take on "Me and Lee" by Judith Vary Baker and "the Yankee and Cowboy War" by Carl Oglesby?
new to the show? welcome
Spot on again… And, if given the chance, the current gaggle of leftists will get us into another quagmire.
like Ike and Nixon gotus into Vietnam? The traitor and war criminals Bush's into Iraq?
Another great show ... you guys are a must see and should actually be given a show on the History Channel ...
Hunley!! Leave the pics up longer than three seconds. You have one job here, dude.
Haven't heard mention of Gen. LeMay as head of draft board . Catskill bungalow colony looked like home .
So sorry I missed you live today . ❤
There were 3 Soviet submarines armed with nuclear torpedoes, one of which was ready to launch it's torpedo while the US Navy was trying to force it to surface by dropping practice depth charges during the Cuban blockade. Only the Soviet task force Admiral aboard the submarine prevented the launch of the torpedo.
Entertaining as always fellas ... curious why you glossed over the fact that LeMay's Nov 22nd flight actually originated from Wiarton, Ontario Canada when he was "hunting and fishing in northern Minnesota"? Of course, they're adjacent to each other across the lake - but it he was spending his time on the Michigan side (and got there originally), why would he need to come to Canada to get back to DC on that date?
I don’t think he had a jet ten feet in front of his cabin. Lol
I disagree with about 90% of what Mark says but damn he is funny. His response to the woman who was triggered by the silver dollar thumbnail was priceless.
Another great two episodes, which also made me think of an alternate 1960 (one of many!) Wallace clearly wanted to put the election into the House and Senate (House for P, Senate for V-P, House delegations voting as blocs.) If that cadre of Southern Democrat electors in 1960 who didn't want Kennedy had had 8 more votes, and Illinoi's electoral votes were disputed because its actual paper votes were, you can see LBJ being touted as a 'unifying statesman' in the House by Sam Rayburn with some alternate VP. Wallace probably thought that he could do something similar and force a Southern VP in over Agnew or Muskie in 68. Amazed that hasn't happened since 1824
I hope UA-cam lasts for a thousand years so this channel can be set in stone.
My family was in Japan then suddenly sent to Offutt afb in 61. We stayed there till 64 dad retired 65 as a missile system analyst
Thanks Professor!
My pleasure!
Another absolutely outstanding episode. Like so much of what you've put together for our enlightenment this past 2 years, it throws a fine-focus on how America (NATO and the West more broadly) has arrived at the position it finds itself today. Brilliant stuff guys; thanks 👍🏻🇮🇪
You guys are very interesting 🤔 🇵🇷👍
Am inMark's age bracket
The one thing i remember from Cuban Missile Crisis
"Better Red than Dead"
Those of us who study history understand "peace through strength". AKA " walk softly but carry a big stick".
Building up the strategic arsenal was so we wouldn't have to use it.
My opinion,also is that had Goldwater won in 1964 he would have ended Vietnam War quickly by doing just what you said...hitting Hanoi hard. He wasn't a friend of the industrial military complex. Think of all the money made with the war going 10 more years.
Goldwater probably would have started World War III!
If you want any LeMay buttons let me know.
look forward to the HInkley show
Khrushchev was the party boss over Stalingrad during the war... what brought him to prominence during the war and afterwards.
Again, I was talking about the actual military general
Khrushchev was the head commissar, Chuikov was the head general.
Best content ever
I had to do a book report on Robert Kennedy when I was in school and I read a couple of books about him and his family I remember that they had a seal or a pet dolphin named Sandy and perfect example of Robert Kennedy was that one time when he was a young man I think he might have been around 15 he was playing a tennis match and he lost the match and he took his tennis racket and threw it and basically threw a temper tantrum and JFK took him to the side and ripped into him and told him that is not the way a leader acts and clean up his attitude and made him apologize to the person that had beat him that's the difference between the two men JFK did not carry the attitude of entitlement but Robert Kennedy did and was very very competitive and didn't like to lose PERIOD!!!!!
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Thank you for your reply . I joined your locals last week . Love the show and what you guy’s are doing with delivering the raw truth of our history as means to learn from it . Being apart of the millennial generation , I deeply appreciate it , we desperately need the truth your are delivering.
Hi Eric and mark,mark made a statement that he seen footage of a lee Enfield being carried off the roof of tsb well I found in Jim garrson s on the trail book a reference to that exact footage and I will put in the comments the company's name whom took that footage unfortunately I left the book at work so tomorrow I will put the name of the company in the comments here but when I came across that two days ago at work reading I thought immediately of mark thanks William from Pittsburgh
Well where is the footage?