Playing mauga/orisa is a prime example of the prisoners dilemma. If one tank player does it, it forces the other to also do and then you both don't get to have fun
You gotta wonder why Blizzard felt inspired to buff these heroes............ even their _mains_ don't like them, and they turn the game into a nightmare
No, I wouldn’t say so. It depends. If you have good DPS and Support behind you as Sig or even Rein into Mauga you’ll usually be fine. As long as you’re mitigating Mauga’s damage and focusing him at the same time he’s kinda forced to run. If he’s not dealing damage to your health bar he can’t self heal or get his passive.
@@ArthurEverlingit depends, meaning that the best way to get consistent results and not rely on ever-shifting teammates is to mirror the Mauga. I dont really know why this guy mentioned Orisa cuz id argue she has a decent amount of bad tank matchups (mauga being one of them) and i often find myself being better off choosing one of those.
@@Lanewreck "till they nerfed echos timer for using his alt" wait huh?? I'm not even sure what you mean by this lol could you elaborate? also when did they do that?? or do you mean the echo ult ult charge generation nerf
@bambampewpew32 yes, it was a autocorrect error on my phone. Ment ult. Would figure most would have figured that out, but yes I'm not referring to her "alternate fire" mode I ment ult.
I would’ve stayed on rein to assert my dominance by solo slamming the mauga just for him to have more health than before he got slammed and then I get shredded
His kit and playstyle are just too braindead. Literally the primary way to play him is to just walk forward with Cardiac Overdrive, shoot, and never die. You can't make any super special plays with him, most tanks hardly stand a chance against him because he can just mindlessly empty mag after mag into them, and he's just overall kind of boring, even for a character that's supposed to be a juggernaut/minigun kind of hero. They would've been better off just making the left chaingun a standard flamethrower and making his Overrun only leap forward and stomp.
The issue with the Mauga “meta”, imo, is that you have to shoot the other tank, especially if the other tank is a Mauga. If you don’t, you die, plain and simple. Any other tank you can turn away and shoot the supports, or DPS, but not Mauga. He’s simultaneously too squishy, and too tanky.
Well thats he's whole deal He's an anti tank he targets big hitboxes Like how Winston ball and dva usually target supports With tracer being meta its hard to play he's counters You have to forcus him or he's supports
I usually focus the tank until they have to take cover then focus on squishies. Setting them on fire first is key I find. Mauga is better a t mod range then people give him credit
He is one of those cases where at least half your team needs to counter him (ana, zen) and then he falls apart pretty easily but if they ignore him, he can run rings around your team
Literally lol Honestly I'm happy he's better and the way cardiac works now is better than before since he doesn't have to only focus tank now I'd rather he stay this way but they buff his counters Like sig or soj The characters feels better so people are having fun playing him but I don't like any heros being a meta pick Hopefully they don't just giga nerf him but that feels like what blizzard enjoys doing most of the time anyways
@@natedavis2944they don’t know how to balance their own game it’s been like that since day one of ow1 sadly even the change in devs didn’t solve that issue but it’s because they got 25 dollar skins it’s no coincidence that Sombra, mauga, and Ashe either got buffed or were already pretty busted cass didn’t get changed my theory is because he is literally the worst skin but with the devs egos who knows they probably thought that was their best cass skin to date
@@boinggerss1560 yeah I was saying that on the subreddit it’s no surprise Sombra and Mauga got buffed considering they got skins to sell. Ashe was already good (she’s in my opinion one of the better balanced characters in the game). Cass ain’t bad either he can pop off. It’s just dumb I wanna play rein but if they go Mauga I have to play perfectly to just not feed and get some value. He gets a ton by just following me and shooting me as long as it’s not in front of my whole team
More like, they don't WANT overwatch to be balanced. If the game is never balanced, people will always be eager for those "the game will finally be good now" patches
Their logic that they have given Flats was that, his win rate was really high across metal ranks. He is the 2nd highest win rate tank behind Sigma. Their words not mine
Thank you to whoever edited this for bringing back fond memories of smg, but also i screw you for bringing back my ptsd of the bouldergeist daredevil run😂
Bouldergeist was so annoying! Trying to not get hit once was crazy, especially when he would trap you with rocks sometimes and you couldn’t do nothing 😭
I swear every OW video I watch has Nintendo music playing the background (not complaining I love Nintendo, it’s just that it feels like a weird anomaly to me)
I really wish they would grow some balls and just hard nerf heroes people hate. They need to understand Mauga can NEVER thrive bc he inherently ruins the game
I find that Mauga is an extremely feast or famine character. Even more than someone like Doomfist. If you're in a somewhat vertical map and the enemy runs dive, you're pretty much shit out of luck as Mauga unless you never give up the high ground, but will give it up eventually to contest the objective, and when you do they just dive your backline and you lose.
Cooldown shouldn't have been shortened. The 100 temp health is fine and gives it a bit more use but the bigger problem is unlike Fortify, it gives life steal to his allies making it more useful for his team to survive. That is crazy they didn't think of it because they said in their notes they basically wanted to buff its use for Mauga use only but the temp health already did that, the CDR on it makes no sense. Perhaps they should shrink the size of influence around him instead as a compensation but it may make it useless for helping his team. Bring the time back up for now and see what happens.
She can eat 3 seconds of spam while missiling, and does pretty good damage against Mauga. Just need someone else shooting him to burn armor. If you are out of matrix, don't stand in front of him lol. Better yet, ignore him, have a dps and Kiri dive with you.
You save matrix for his cardiac to eat any potential heals and self destruct in cage fight to either kill him or force him to cancel his ult and disengage
Besides Mauga mirrors, Dva and Sig probably have the best time surviving Mauga. Matrix also lets you tank without giving Mauga lifesteal or his passive overheal, making it easier for teammates to mow him down. Personally feel like Orisa is my favorite answer to Mauga, especially with the change to fortify. But Dva works better in mobile comps and vertical maps.
if you're not using DVA what are u using? only Sig and i guess Orisa can counter Mauga's damage outside of DVA....unless you're playing against Maugas that can't aim.
No, I am Mauga main, gold 1, I just mirror. Just, when the enemy picks Dva, one mistake in possitioning/CD usage and I burst her down. This really looks like Dva is good againts Mauga in coordinated team and high elo. On average, I am having a harder time against Rein than Dva in gold.
It’s actually crazy how balance like this gets through all they need to do is one test and see making one button pretty much make you unkillable is not good for the game
New Mauga team comp just dropped: Echo (copies enemy magua), Genji (reflects anti nades thrown at Magua), Mercy(damage boosts and also revives Magua), Kiriko(heals/cleanses Magua), and Mauga(Maugs all over the enemy gamers) This can be reality if they make Maguas guns pinpoint accurate and if his healing is buffed so much that 2 Magua can stare eachother down forever.
Mauga duels have the same energy as Torb 1v1s, except you now have everyone on your team to help your guy win. And whichever team loses just has to concede a point because they get run over.
Yep it's basically the same thing except he trades movement speed and ammo for Dr and life steal and also everyone around him gets it I like mauga and the berserker style but why does everyone else around him also get his berserker ability by just standing near him If they didn't dive coulda been really good vs him but instead his supports or dps just run you over because they also get the same exact amount of lifestyle and dr
11:19 = 41/15 , 27k damage... Flats: "Tanks need a buff, nerf all supports, tanks have no impact on the game" Both tanks are the top 1 and 2 damage dealers... Does anyone remember what "DPS" stands for, or role is?
But unlike roadhog, his mirrors are extremely boring and his kit is very one dimensional. They really need to rework his primary and secondary fire, and fix cardiac to be balanced.
I think they should just make him being able to fire both guns an ability that lasts a few secs similar to bastions sentry form. and it could last 5secs, and it goes on a 12sec cooldown, that way ppl can't just spam it but also you can have the fun gameplay loop of switching between secondary and primary. and it would make him less of a nuisance. It would literally fix most of the unfair unfuness of fighting him upclose cause he wouldn't just hold down both buttons and beam you.
I’ve recently discovered Mauga can tank any one damaging ult (hanzo dragon, reaper blossom, ram ult, even an entire mine field) by just cardiac overdrive and shooting with both guns at the enemy tank, with cage up I think he can even tank two or three consecutive ults by just shooting (assuming he goes uninterrupted by sleep dart or nade)
14:12 let's see who's the bigger threat here a person with two mini guns or the monk. 14:19 yep the monk kills the dude with two miniguns (The tank experience)
I love mauga cause he is a bit mindless and loves to 1v1 the other tank, he just has good damage for a tank which is damn hard to find I feel and given I’m not that good he’s nice to learn on
Agreed the DPS passive nerf+ a good chunk of tanks getting buffed means they're all feeling really good Mauga just got one of the larger buffs alongside sym so everyones Lazer focused on them rn
I feel like the way Blizzard should go about balancing numbers tanks like Mauga and Hog is by lowering their base health and centering their survivability around sustaining themselves using elements of their kit rather than being an unkillable wall with high health, damage output, and consistently high levels of self-sustained healing and virtually no downsides. Mauga should get a damage and health reduction, but potentially a lifesteal percentage increase to counteract the other changes. Hog should get the same treatment, only with a reduction to his meter recharge time so Hog players have to play a bit smarter with their utility if they want to achieve the same degree of success as current Hog. I feel like changing numbers tanks like this is a good way to avoid another Mauga meta like the one we just got out of in season 8.
It’s like the joker in a game of war. The joker only way you take it is if you have joker, and even then it’s no guarantee that you win, you have to win the tie. There should always be a counter for everyone
He's been meta yall just been scared. He's helped me get into diamond before the patch even happened. You time him just right and you mow through the enemy tank. Chefs Kiss (Edit): I get people find it boring and brainless, however, i enjoy Mauga, so not having to switch every 7 seconds to a different tank feels nice to me. Hammer boi isnt viable this season so ill take what i can get
We're complaining when it's Mauga but when the meta was literally just 2 Rams holding block at each other we were laughing and having fun, I greatly prefer Mauga honestly
Biggest reason I hate Mirror Matches as a Tank(specifically tank)or in whatever game that has separate zones of play(MOBAs in particular). Sure it can be fun in some instances but often I'd rather not fight a worse or better version of myself.
Yeah I completely agree People really do just pick and choose what to cry about but when their favorite character is meta nobody complains I hated queen meta but I wasn't crying about it every single day unlike mauga being good for a few days and you just know devs are gonna listen to the cry babies and tank his stats again just to appease them
I knew the overwatch team shouldn't introduce a vamp style tank, either he does enough damage to kill while self healing himself enough to live, or he doesn't do enough of either, his balance is more volatile than any other character because his damage is his survivability and vice versa
@@garrison4173 you make a good point. I just feel that she's less reliant on vamping hp, due to maugas size and sustain style of damage, he needs the HP steal to have any kind of impact. It also sucks he's just another bully the tank style character as well.
@@cartervaill3043Nah JQ is quite reliant on it. The difference is that JQ isn't given a massive dose of heals on hit. She has to proc bleed on enemies which is on 2 of her melees, 1 on her ult, and 1 on knife. This makes spreading it not only hard to do, but also makes her not super hard to kill. The only times she becomes a lot harder to kill is when she lands a 5 man ult. Thats when you'll feel her sustain + her size helping her not take as much hits. Unlike Mauga, who has a literal button for DR, more heals, more health, and only needs to keep the ignite up uninterrupted for heals on hit. Tl:dr JQ has a balanced self sustain kit, Mauga doesn't, he gets reaper's self sustain but on long range hitscan and the only condition is having someone ignited. And he gets to shoot about twice as fast and gets free guaranteed crits, unlike Reaper who is still a shotgun hero with random spread and relies on positioning to get close in the first place.
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong another good point and I'm not disagreeing, JQ getting self heal as a reward for good play and being aggressive is a good thing, but she still has tools like shout and her pull that allow her to have impact even if you took her self heal away, mauga needs it to do anything of value, that's why I say his kit is over reliant on it, all of his survivability comes from the one cool down, and because his self heal is reliant on his accuracy, his balance changes depending on what rank he's being played in
I still think it’s stupid that you can use two ults to kill an annoying as character, but it doesn’t matter cause Mercy has an ability to will erase all of that effort. No skill just sucks
Fun fact! Once an enemy is on fire and Mauga is dual firing (at optimal range) he has 303 dps which is enough to make any tank instantly pop and hang themselves!
@@xhingpengh5740 True but bastion using his cooldown gives him 360dps while also having the range of mauga single fire so I don't think it's the worst out there there's a decent number of people who can out damage him actually Kinda sad since he's literally holding two chain guns lol
@@xhingpengh5740 also kinda sad when you remember he has no barrier and Zen makes everyone do a ridiculous amount of damage to him So all those characters now do even more damage to mauga and he just falls over so fast
he doesn’t seem too overwhelming, his head hit box is pretty big especially when playing Queen or Kiri. I haven’t seen him much in my elo, just zarya/orisa/hog
i was upset that i still haven't done my placements yet as a rein main, but i feel better now knowing mauga is basically meta again. i guess i need to hibernate until OW3.
5:54 Orisa is so much more fun than Mauga because you can actually shoot things other than the Enemy tank without exploding. Also her spear is actually kinda fun when you try to snipe a squishy.
The only good thing about Mauga meta is the satisfaction you get when the insta-locked Mauga gets killed in -3 seconds from a dumb play, but everything else is horrible. Mauga legitimately kills brain cells and everyone else around you just stares at the fight, either waiting to completely annihilate and bully the enemy Mauga or prepare to retreat in case their Mauga just explodes.
Mauga is my go to when ever my original choice doesn’t work. I main him, doom, JQ and Ram. I usually go doom against mauga because of the fact that mauga has a bastion turret as a primary so I get my empowered punch very often. Than after my punch is empowered I start picking off his squishies. It works a good 8/10 times. It’s easy to do that cause as a mauga lacks a lot of mobility besides his overrun, which is used for either a quick pick or a uninterrupted escape and retreat. And since he can’t contest high ground as easily as doom, you can deny that space and make it more difficult or him to kill you. I’m only giving this information because I lost to a mauga recently as doom and my team wanted to say I threw, but really no one was in VC to coordinate so it was kinda on them.
It's a click bait title he's better but meta is a stretch most good sigmas can still eat him for breakfast and add a half decent DPS to focus him and he'll fall over on command Unless the whole team is supporting the Mauga he should die no problem
Wouldn't be an issue if it waa 6v6. They removed key element from the setup and every patch tank role going to be lacking because its missing an off tank.
Agreed I do enjoy him but if he still ends up being too strong another week from now hopefully they just buff his counters so people get more options instead of just deleting him again People should still be allowed to pick their favorite characters
Imo they should buff his charge cd and double fire spread but lower his damage and dmg reduction in cardiac. The idea being to discourage turning your brain off and putting everything into killing the tank and instead allowing you to play a more dive/target squishies.
Wish I could play with KarQ bc my team literally refuses to do anything to enable me if they don’t like my pick, and as someone who waited for mauga’s release since the moment he was shown in the baptiste short story, it kills me that they won’t back me up when I wanna play him
sigma is the best mauga counter if you use ur CDs well, bcz you can block most attacks, or play junker queen cuz mauga has hard times against smaller hitboxes
Played a comp round last night against a Mauga actually. EVERY TIME i ulted as Bap he'd rush in and ult himself. So incredibly annoying! Especially as the guy who was priority number uno every time 😒
After YEARS of playing overwatch literally every day, I stopped playing when they brought Mauga out. I only came back once they fixed him. Now they have buffed him again and I am not having fun. It is so disappointing.
Yeah, they just need to revert all his buffs sans the Stomp damage increase. He was already slept on before this patch, even Flats noticed that. He could do just fine if you didn't play full unga-bunga the whole time, and buffs that ENABLE that playstyle is what makes Mauga unfun to fight against.
Mauga meta is sort of fun for support players and maybe dps players. Sucks for tank players tho. The issue with tanks is that if they have a lot of mobility and/or self heals they are incredibly frustrating to play against if they're too strong (Doomfist, Roadhog, Wrecking Ball, Winston, D.Va) as then the tank players can have fun but others are just not having fun at all. The balance in a team based game is difficult to find but this ain't it. Honestly I hope they give Rein some rocket boots that give him a small lateral movement hop like Hanzo has.
I versed a Mauga last season who was rolling my team until my tank went horse. He then got bullied until my team won😂. Not sure if that still applies to this season or not but it was fun.
Playing mauga/orisa is a prime example of the prisoners dilemma. If one tank player does it, it forces the other to also do and then you both don't get to have fun
You gotta wonder why Blizzard felt inspired to buff these heroes............ even their _mains_ don't like them, and they turn the game into a nightmare
No, I wouldn’t say so. It depends. If you have good DPS and Support behind you as Sig or even Rein into Mauga you’ll usually be fine. As long as you’re mitigating Mauga’s damage and focusing him at the same time he’s kinda forced to run. If he’s not dealing damage to your health bar he can’t self heal or get his passive.
@@ArthurEverling THIS
@@ArthurEverlingit depends, meaning that the best way to get consistent results and not rely on ever-shifting teammates is to mirror the Mauga. I dont really know why this guy mentioned Orisa cuz id argue she has a decent amount of bad tank matchups (mauga being one of them) and i often find myself being better off choosing one of those.
Honestly I never recommend trying to diff an orisa main.
It would really funny if it was a Mauga/Echo meta with Echo's only reason being there is to make a second Mauga.
I mean, her normal form plays pretty well into mauga and that instant 100 overhealth is pretty juicy..... be careful what you wish for
That used to be the ram strategy till they nerfed echos timer for using his alt. Still good heal denial though.
Shut up don’t give them any ideas bro
@@Lanewreck "till they nerfed echos timer for using his alt" wait huh?? I'm not even sure what you mean by this lol could you elaborate? also when did they do that??
or do you mean the echo ult ult charge generation nerf
@bambampewpew32 yes, it was a autocorrect error on my phone. Ment ult. Would figure most would have figured that out, but yes I'm not referring to her "alternate fire" mode I ment ult.
Flats, you are built differently. I would have mirrored the Mauga as soon as he walked out of spawn 😂
Bro Orisa still counters mauga effectively
@@jubusch Nah she gets shredded now
I would’ve stayed on rein to assert my dominance by solo slamming the mauga just for him to have more health than before he got slammed and then I get shredded
@@Giimbapp if you play braindead orisa sure
@@angeltorres9232 Orisa is brain dead there is no other way to play her.
I feel like Mauga will always be either too good or too bad. No in between.
He was already good, the playerbase is just mostly dumbasses. Not nearly as dumb as the balance team however.
Ball experience?
His kit and playstyle are just too braindead. Literally the primary way to play him is to just walk forward with Cardiac Overdrive, shoot, and never die.
You can't make any super special plays with him, most tanks hardly stand a chance against him because he can just mindlessly empty mag after mag into them, and he's just overall kind of boring, even for a character that's supposed to be a juggernaut/minigun kind of hero.
They would've been better off just making the left chaingun a standard flamethrower and making his Overrun only leap forward and stomp.
@@LevelOneGoblinyeah, Mauga play style is your team is with you all as one or you’re left to die - he lives and dies purely on what support he has.
@@LevelOneGoblinlmao what rank are you playing him in? 🤣
The issue with the Mauga “meta”, imo, is that you have to shoot the other tank, especially if the other tank is a Mauga. If you don’t, you die, plain and simple.
Any other tank you can turn away and shoot the supports, or DPS, but not Mauga. He’s simultaneously too squishy, and too tanky.
Agreed. And most fights when team is even a sigma will run a fade with mauga
Well thats he's whole deal
He's an anti tank he targets big hitboxes
Like how Winston ball and dva usually target supports
With tracer being meta its hard to play he's counters
You have to forcus him or he's supports
I usually focus the tank until they have to take cover then focus on squishies. Setting them on fire first is key I find. Mauga is better a t mod range then people give him credit
the fact that he rewards this playstyle is stupid. they should make it so that he heals more from squishies.
@@PurpleMoon799 easy fix, % based lifesteal instead of flat regen from crit. maybe a buff to single cannon fire and nerf to dual cannon fire.
"Throughout heaven and earth, I alone am the samoan one." - Mauga
This deserves to be most liked pinned comment ever 😂😂😂
I alone am the DemiGod of Wind and Sea!!!
He is one of those cases where at least half your team needs to counter him (ana, zen) and then he falls apart pretty easily but if they ignore him, he can run rings around your team
Literally lol
Honestly I'm happy he's better and the way cardiac works now is better than before since he doesn't have to only focus tank now
I'd rather he stay this way but they buff his counters
Like sig or soj
The characters feels better so people are having fun playing him but I don't like any heros being a meta pick
Hopefully they don't just giga nerf him but that feels like what blizzard enjoys doing most of the time anyways
Name a tank that doesn’t fall over if you pick Ana zen into them
@bluespellmaster8592 lot of tanks, actually. Ever since the zen orb nerf, any tank that can stop Ana nade can play well into Ana zen
LOLLLLLLLLLL bronze mind here .. @@ashtyn9498
Rein gets buffed but someone else always gets buffed more 😭.
They’ll never let him be meta. I’m convinced they just don’t like rein at this point
@@natedavis2944they don’t know how to balance their own game it’s been like that since day one of ow1 sadly even the change in devs didn’t solve that issue but it’s because they got 25 dollar skins it’s no coincidence that Sombra, mauga, and Ashe either got buffed or were already pretty busted cass didn’t get changed my theory is because he is literally the worst skin but with the devs egos who knows they probably thought that was their best cass skin to date
@@boinggerss1560 yeah I was saying that on the subreddit it’s no surprise Sombra and Mauga got buffed considering they got skins to sell. Ashe was already good (she’s in my opinion one of the better balanced characters in the game). Cass ain’t bad either he can pop off. It’s just dumb I wanna play rein but if they go Mauga I have to play perfectly to just not feed and get some value. He gets a ton by just following me and shooting me as long as it’s not in front of my whole team
More like, they don't WANT overwatch to be balanced. If the game is never balanced, people will always be eager for those "the game will finally be good now" patches
Their logic that they have given Flats was that, his win rate was really high across metal ranks. He is the 2nd highest win rate tank behind Sigma. Their words not mine
Thank you to whoever edited this for bringing back fond memories of smg, but also i screw you for bringing back my ptsd of the bouldergeist daredevil run😂
The song at 12:45 is so nostalgic to me, it’s so good
Bouldergeist was so annoying! Trying to not get hit once was crazy, especially when he would trap you with rocks sometimes and you couldn’t do nothing 😭
I swear every OW video I watch has Nintendo music playing the background (not complaining I love Nintendo, it’s just that it feels like a weird anomaly to me)
This video is just ult charging sim
I needed a clip of flats from months ago saying "the way you counter mauga is you go mauga."
By reduce visual clutter they meant we will remove 1 tank and that is it.
“Kirito”
Ah hell nah
We still are getting mad at this?
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 not mad just disappointed
@@Valnoir_ Mom is that you 😨😨😨😨
Blizz seeing people have fun: This ends NOW!
The boss music makes it so much more intense
“hm the community is having fun again lets buff mauga”
Tanks were having no fun. Now I only have fun playing maya
Mauga is just terribly designed. He will either be broken or worthless and there’s no in between. He just came out and he already needs a rework.
I guarantee Mauga was the product of corporate monkeys saying "we need more players. make a tank that shoots more guns"
I really wish they would grow some balls and just hard nerf heroes people hate. They need to understand Mauga can NEVER thrive bc he inherently ruins the game
I guess they have to sell the skin somehow
I find that Mauga is an extremely feast or famine character. Even more than someone like Doomfist. If you're in a somewhat vertical map and the enemy runs dive, you're pretty much shit out of luck as Mauga unless you never give up the high ground, but will give it up eventually to contest the objective, and when you do they just dive your backline and you lose.
Oh what did they do now…
Cardiac overdrive gives him back 100 green health upon using it and it's on a lower cool down, making it like orisa's fortify
What??????@@MrZepedacarlos73
@MrZepedacarlos73 yeah I think they should either bring the cool down back to 12 or get rid of the over-health gain
@austinfassl6547 yeah, they also gotta fix a glitch with rein and doom
Cooldown shouldn't have been shortened. The 100 temp health is fine and gives it a bit more use but the bigger problem is unlike Fortify, it gives life steal to his allies making it more useful for his team to survive. That is crazy they didn't think of it because they said in their notes they basically wanted to buff its use for Mauga use only but the temp health already did that, the CDR on it makes no sense.
Perhaps they should shrink the size of influence around him instead as a compensation but it may make it useless for helping his team. Bring the time back up for now and see what happens.
I still do not understand playing Dva againts Mauga. The moment matrix is over she gets burst down.
She can eat 3 seconds of spam while missiling, and does pretty good damage against Mauga. Just need someone else shooting him to burn armor. If you are out of matrix, don't stand in front of him lol.
Better yet, ignore him, have a dps and Kiri dive with you.
You save matrix for his cardiac to eat any potential heals and self destruct in cage fight to either kill him or force him to cancel his ult and disengage
Besides Mauga mirrors, Dva and Sig probably have the best time surviving Mauga. Matrix also lets you tank without giving Mauga lifesteal or his passive overheal, making it easier for teammates to mow him down.
Personally feel like Orisa is my favorite answer to Mauga, especially with the change to fortify. But Dva works better in mobile comps and vertical maps.
if you're not using DVA what are u using? only Sig and i guess Orisa can counter Mauga's damage outside of DVA....unless you're playing against Maugas that can't aim.
No, I am Mauga main, gold 1, I just mirror. Just, when the enemy picks Dva, one mistake in possitioning/CD usage and I burst her down. This really looks like Dva is good againts Mauga in coordinated team and high elo.
On average, I am having a harder time against Rein than Dva in gold.
Blizzard really saw junkerqueen/doom/dva being meta and really said “you know what is way more fun, mauga he seems waaaay more fun than those tanks”
How are we already back in the mauga timeline
Y’all never left he just took a break to hollow purple 💀 he alone is the Samoan one
16:02 I never thought I'd hear KarQ reach that volume
Welcome to Overult 1.5: Mauga's domain expansion
I alone am the Samoan one 🤌🏾
It’s actually crazy how balance like this gets through all they need to do is one test and see making one button pretty much make you unkillable is not good for the game
New Mauga team comp just dropped: Echo (copies enemy magua), Genji (reflects anti nades thrown at Magua), Mercy(damage boosts and also revives Magua), Kiriko(heals/cleanses Magua), and Mauga(Maugs all over the enemy gamers)
This can be reality if they make Maguas guns pinpoint accurate and if his healing is buffed so much that 2 Magua can stare eachother down forever.
Mauga duels have the same energy as Torb 1v1s, except you now have everyone on your team to help your guy win. And whichever team loses just has to concede a point because they get run over.
Yep it's basically the same thing except he trades movement speed and ammo for Dr and life steal and also everyone around him gets it
I like mauga and the berserker style but why does everyone else around him also get his berserker ability by just standing near him
If they didn't dive coulda been really good vs him but instead his supports or dps just run you over because they also get the same exact amount of lifestyle and dr
11:19 = 41/15 , 27k damage... Flats: "Tanks need a buff, nerf all supports, tanks have no impact on the game"
Both tanks are the top 1 and 2 damage dealers... Does anyone remember what "DPS" stands for, or role is?
270hp gone in 1 frame🤣 14:22
Widow can do 300 damage with a Headshot, with Zen Discord that headshot would’ve killed Flats from 3/4 health
Mauga be like: "Did ya miss me?"
Mauga be like: "what can i say except, you're welcome"
Mauga has the same problem as Roadhog, when he's meta no one gets to have fun.
But unlike roadhog, his mirrors are extremely boring and his kit is very one dimensional. They really need to rework his primary and secondary fire, and fix cardiac to be balanced.
As a Hog main, I get to have fun.
When roadhog was meta, at least there was hard counters like Ana zen orisa
I think they should just make him being able to fire both guns an ability that lasts a few secs similar to bastions sentry form. and it could last 5secs, and it goes on a 12sec cooldown, that way ppl can't just spam it but also you can have the fun gameplay loop of switching between secondary and primary. and it would make him less of a nuisance. It would literally fix most of the unfair unfuness of fighting him upclose cause he wouldn't just hold down both buttons and beam you.
When the character is so dominant both teams go Echo just to copy them every ult.
14:27 2 mauga ult, 2 zen ult, 2 sojourn orbs, and the widows kill the enemy maugas cage fight. 👍 Love this game
I’ve recently discovered Mauga can tank any one damaging ult (hanzo dragon, reaper blossom, ram ult, even an entire mine field) by just cardiac overdrive and shooting with both guns at the enemy tank, with cage up I think he can even tank two or three consecutive ults by just shooting (assuming he goes uninterrupted by sleep dart or nade)
God I love this character. I usually play dps(soldier 76) and it feels good to be able to bully 98% of the roster lmao
Just realized we nees a tf2 heavy skin for mauga with heavy's voice lines
yo editor, you popped off with the music, I got blasted back to the Galaxy days...those were good days.
14:12 let's see who's the bigger threat here a person with two mini guns or the monk.
14:19 yep the monk kills the dude with two miniguns
(The tank experience)
I love mauga cause he is a bit mindless and loves to 1v1 the other tank, he just has good damage for a tank which is damn hard to find I feel and given I’m not that good he’s nice to learn on
I don’t think it’s just mauga meta, I’m a tank main and I realized majority of tanks are actually good now
Agreed the DPS passive nerf+ a good chunk of tanks getting buffed means they're all feeling really good
Mauga just got one of the larger buffs alongside sym so everyones Lazer focused on them rn
As someone that recently took a year or so break from OW. I never thought I'd hate seeing someone more then Doomfist.
I feel like the way Blizzard should go about balancing numbers tanks like Mauga and Hog is by lowering their base health and centering their survivability around sustaining themselves using elements of their kit rather than being an unkillable wall with high health, damage output, and consistently high levels of self-sustained healing and virtually no downsides. Mauga should get a damage and health reduction, but potentially a lifesteal percentage increase to counteract the other changes. Hog should get the same treatment, only with a reduction to his meter recharge time so Hog players have to play a bit smarter with their utility if they want to achieve the same degree of success as current Hog. I feel like changing numbers tanks like this is a good way to avoid another Mauga meta like the one we just got out of in season 8.
A Jet Black skin was the best balance change they could ever make to Mauga.
I like the editor for editing everytime flats gets a kill, they added the coyboy bebop kill sound 😆
The Super Mario Galaxy music be hitting hard tho
14:30 overwatch moment
fun and interactive gameplay
watching a 100 charge zarya basically just tickle mauga is insane actually. i know the kiriko was pumping him full of heals too but jfc
13:21 I love how both Flats and Karq are saying "no bitch"
I think it might be pylon cuz that second u take to look at it makes u get fire squad maybe kill it first before every team fight
Wow that looked so fun I bet you had such a good time especially with the new dps passive
It’s like the joker in a game of war. The joker only way you take it is if you have joker, and even then it’s no guarantee that you win, you have to win the tie. There should always be a counter for everyone
Mauga is a DPS with a lot of health
And yet, will die just as fast as them if the supports aren’t maintaining him 24/7
He's been meta yall just been scared. He's helped me get into diamond before the patch even happened. You time him just right and you mow through the enemy tank. Chefs Kiss (Edit): I get people find it boring and brainless, however, i enjoy Mauga, so not having to switch every 7 seconds to a different tank feels nice to me. Hammer boi isnt viable this season so ill take what i can get
Yeah he was still good after nerf without crazy self sustain because of his dmg
We're complaining when it's Mauga but when the meta was literally just 2 Rams holding block at each other we were laughing and having fun, I greatly prefer Mauga honestly
Biggest reason I hate Mirror Matches as a Tank(specifically tank)or in whatever game that has separate zones of play(MOBAs in particular). Sure it can be fun in some instances but often I'd rather not fight a worse or better version of myself.
Yeah I completely agree
People really do just pick and choose what to cry about but when their favorite character is meta nobody complains
I hated queen meta but I wasn't crying about it every single day unlike mauga being good for a few days and you just know devs are gonna listen to the cry babies and tank his stats again just to appease them
14:50 yea that’s Overpromise…
The devs being the devs they always disappoint
Being a doomfist otp life is hard out here
I knew the overwatch team shouldn't introduce a vamp style tank, either he does enough damage to kill while self healing himself enough to live, or he doesn't do enough of either, his balance is more volatile than any other character because his damage is his survivability and vice versa
Jq is a vamp style tank that ppl like. Mauga is just poorly designed
@@garrison4173 you make a good point. I just feel that she's less reliant on vamping hp, due to maugas size and sustain style of damage, he needs the HP steal to have any kind of impact. It also sucks he's just another bully the tank style character as well.
@@cartervaill3043Nah JQ is quite reliant on it. The difference is that JQ isn't given a massive dose of heals on hit. She has to proc bleed on enemies which is on 2 of her melees, 1 on her ult, and 1 on knife. This makes spreading it not only hard to do, but also makes her not super hard to kill. The only times she becomes a lot harder to kill is when she lands a 5 man ult. Thats when you'll feel her sustain + her size helping her not take as much hits. Unlike Mauga, who has a literal button for DR, more heals, more health, and only needs to keep the ignite up uninterrupted for heals on hit.
Tl:dr JQ has a balanced self sustain kit, Mauga doesn't, he gets reaper's self sustain but on long range hitscan and the only condition is having someone ignited. And he gets to shoot about twice as fast and gets free guaranteed crits, unlike Reaper who is still a shotgun hero with random spread and relies on positioning to get close in the first place.
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong another good point and I'm not disagreeing, JQ getting self heal as a reward for good play and being aggressive is a good thing, but she still has tools like shout and her pull that allow her to have impact even if you took her self heal away, mauga needs it to do anything of value, that's why I say his kit is over reliant on it, all of his survivability comes from the one cool down, and because his self heal is reliant on his accuracy, his balance changes depending on what rank he's being played in
I still think it’s stupid that you can use two ults to kill an annoying as character, but it doesn’t matter cause Mercy has an ability to will erase all of that effort. No skill just sucks
Fun fact! Once an enemy is on fire and Mauga is dual firing (at optimal range) he has 303 dps which is enough to make any tank instantly pop and hang themselves!
It's actually 231 90% of the time
You don't always optimally land headshots with the left gun the right auto crits tho
@@sebastianrodriguez8992my mistake. Thats still pretty damn high though for no cooldowns or ults, just for existing and being fairly close
@@xhingpengh5740 True but bastion using his cooldown gives him 360dps while also having the range of mauga single fire so I don't think it's the worst out there
there's a decent number of people who can out damage him actually
Kinda sad since he's literally holding two chain guns lol
@@xhingpengh5740 also kinda sad when you remember he has no barrier and Zen makes everyone do a ridiculous amount of damage to him
So all those characters now do even more damage to mauga and he just falls over so fast
he doesn’t seem too overwhelming, his head hit box is pretty big especially when playing Queen or Kiri. I haven’t seen him much in my elo, just zarya/orisa/hog
"And he stands there! UNFACED!!"
i was upset that i still haven't done my placements yet as a rein main, but i feel better now knowing mauga is basically meta again. i guess i need to hibernate until OW3.
That Mercy, Mauga, Sojurn combo is naughty
5:54 Orisa is so much more fun than Mauga because you can actually shoot things other than the Enemy tank without exploding. Also her spear is actually kinda fun when you try to snipe a squishy.
I find orisa fun. Those shots of javelin.
The only good thing about Mauga meta is the satisfaction you get when the insta-locked Mauga gets killed in -3 seconds from a dumb play, but everything else is horrible. Mauga legitimately kills brain cells and everyone else around you just stares at the fight, either waiting to completely annihilate and bully the enemy Mauga or prepare to retreat in case their Mauga just explodes.
Mauga is my go to when ever my original choice doesn’t work. I main him, doom, JQ and Ram. I usually go doom against mauga because of the fact that mauga has a bastion turret as a primary so I get my empowered punch very often. Than after my punch is empowered I start picking off his squishies. It works a good 8/10 times. It’s easy to do that cause as a mauga lacks a lot of mobility besides his overrun, which is used for either a quick pick or a uninterrupted escape and retreat. And since he can’t contest high ground as easily as doom, you can deny that space and make it more difficult or him to kill you. I’m only giving this information because I lost to a mauga recently as doom and my team wanted to say I threw, but really no one was in VC to coordinate so it was kinda on them.
Flats descending into insanity
I love the Super Mario Galaxy music. It's so fitting. 😭
I just love those clusterfuck teamfights, where no one has an Idea whats going on, and everyone is just screaming and shooting for their life XD
I'm the only one who feels confident about bullying Maugas with Sigma?
It's a click bait title he's better but meta is a stretch most good sigmas can still eat him for breakfast and add a half decent DPS to focus him and he'll fall over on command
Unless the whole team is supporting the Mauga he should die no problem
I feel like Larry's totem needs to be tweaked. It can heal from some crazy angles and distances
Larry?
@@frank8917 illari nickname
Enemy Sojourn really said "This ends now" and the fight ended. Truly OverSoj moment.
Mauga is better but he’s still weak to focus fire. A good Reaper or Bastion working with a Sigma or DV.a can keep him in check usually.
A tank that counters other tanks is possibly the worst thing possible.
Wouldn't be an issue if it waa 6v6. They removed key element from the setup and every patch tank role going to be lacking because its missing an off tank.
personally i really enjoy playing and fighting mauga i had recently unlocked him and have never had more fun playing a tank since 2017
So you’re the play tester that approves these horrible patches huh? He’s a tank killer that literally stops other tanks from having fun
Agreed I do enjoy him but if he still ends up being too strong another week from now hopefully they just buff his counters so people get more options instead of just deleting him again
People should still be allowed to pick their favorite characters
Karq just yelling in the background: “I’m not a bitch!!” Sent me.
Imo they should buff his charge cd and double fire spread but lower his damage and dmg reduction in cardiac. The idea being to discourage turning your brain off and putting everything into killing the tank and instead allowing you to play a more dive/target squishies.
Wish I could play with KarQ bc my team literally refuses to do anything to enable me if they don’t like my pick, and as someone who waited for mauga’s release since the moment he was shown in the baptiste short story, it kills me that they won’t back me up when I wanna play him
“The most insane, idiotic playstyle”
You summed up why I love playing mauga
sigma is the best mauga counter if you use ur CDs well, bcz you can block most attacks, or play junker queen cuz mauga has hard times against smaller hitboxes
Until you go up against the 1 of two maugas that actually can aim lol
The Super Mario Galaxy music makes it.
Sure, Mauga meta is torture...but Flats' descent into madness as a result of it is perfection.
Overpowered? No.
Strong? Yes.
Mauga has so much working for him, if they keep him like this, they need to at least increase his reload time.
they actually made a hard counter to every other tank
Just experienced two mauga games back to back. Im not playing this season anymore unless this is fixed. It's fucking miserable.
ngl Im SUPER here for it. I havent had fun on tank since the last mauga meta lmao
We need a hero ban system… normally I’m against this in games but now it feels necessary
Played a comp round last night against a Mauga actually. EVERY TIME i ulted as Bap he'd rush in and ult himself. So incredibly annoying! Especially as the guy who was priority number uno every time 😒
March 19th: “Aaaaand it’s gone”
I'm so glad he's back - he's definitely not super one-dimensional and boring AF.
After YEARS of playing overwatch literally every day, I stopped playing when they brought Mauga out. I only came back once they fixed him. Now they have buffed him again and I am not having fun. It is so disappointing.
Yeah, they just need to revert all his buffs sans the Stomp damage increase. He was already slept on before this patch, even Flats noticed that. He could do just fine if you didn't play full unga-bunga the whole time, and buffs that ENABLE that playstyle is what makes Mauga unfun to fight against.
Mauga meta is sort of fun for support players and maybe dps players. Sucks for tank players tho. The issue with tanks is that if they have a lot of mobility and/or self heals they are incredibly frustrating to play against if they're too strong (Doomfist, Roadhog, Wrecking Ball, Winston, D.Va) as then the tank players can have fun but others are just not having fun at all. The balance in a team based game is difficult to find but this ain't it. Honestly I hope they give Rein some rocket boots that give him a small lateral movement hop like Hanzo has.
Love the Mario Galaxy background music
the mercy switch to hard pocket the mauga was NASTY
Honestly they should just make mauga immune to all mercy effects with how nuts he can be with a pocket
I versed a Mauga last season who was rolling my team until my tank went horse. He then got bullied until my team won😂. Not sure if that still applies to this season or not but it was fun.