Metal Without A Cause
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- In my new video I discuss the idea that metalheads are going through a "rebellious phase."
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As a secondary (11-18) teacher, I’m always impressed by kids that wear sub-culture clothing on non-uniform days, be it metal or goth etc. I think it shows a strong sense of self and dedication when many kids wear the same “Leisurewear” clothing and are afraid to show any personality. I’m a 51 year old that loves Pyrrhon / Slugdge / Carpathian Forest / Portal etc. so for me it’s always “Great, another member of our army”.
AMEN, Grant! I wish I'd had teachers like you in my day. I'm 45 and was mercilessly gone after for being on drugs, causing decent, or satanism. I hated every minute of school and a teacher like you would have been nice. Rock on Bro🤘
I am wanting to become a secondary teacher I love your outlook! Hope you have awesome years of teaching!
We live in a society where you are told to be different, but when you do like something different you are told you only like it because you want to be special or rebellious.
EXACTLY
Agreed ,100% true
14 yr old detected
@@bergzler1317 who's 14?
We treat those with neirodivergence as crazy or childish. You're not even allowed to have a brain that works differently.
I listen to heavy metal because it is and has always been a huge outlet for me. I’ve always been a pretty quiet and very laid back person, but only because I let the music scream for me! Thanks for the video. Heavy metal is awesome and I love it.
Yep, pretty much got into it just because it sounds cool. I don't have an agenda of any sort.
You like cool things that's your agenda
Yeah my parents found that wierd when I got into metal
"Im gunna start jay walking soon" 😂😂😂 I CACKLED
As a teen metalhead, at the beginning of the school year, I felt so uncomfortable wearing "normal" clothes. But when I started wearing a band tee from a band for the first time, I felt so comfortable and myself. Btw some people are surprised that I'm a A student and a metalhead.
Can relate
Doing well in school and liking metal are not mutually exclusive.
@@ranterraver5959 I know I just trying to said that some people don't think you do good in school if you listen to metal.
@@joeytaylor0108 It's true with literally anything, but back in the day heavy metal definitely had a bad rep. I mean, in all fairness back in the 80's most metalheads definitely weren't all too interested in school, but times have changed and I think people are starting to recognize that.
@@ranterraver5959, I glad that people recognize that. Sorry If it looks like that I try to argue your point.
Metal is not a rebellion. Those who listen to Metal are listening to it because they like the music (and Metal music is full of subgenres for every musical taste) and nothing more.
Those who listen to Metal only to attract other people's attention or to "start a rebellion" against anyone they never last.
🤘 STAY BRUTAL!🤘
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Related experience to "it's just a phase"
Somehow my metalhead dad and I were at a steve miller show when I was like 16 and this drunk middle aged woman gave me (long hair male) a lecture about how I will one day find god and stop hating my dad (short hair and not obviously a metalhead) and when she walked away we started laughing so hard
I couldn't agree more and I can definitely relate. I began getting into metal when I started high school. A teacher saw me wearing a Slayer or Metallica shirt and I was asked if I was wearing it just as a "fashion statement." It might have to do with the fact that I am female but either way it was pretty frustrating and insulting.
I’m a 14 year old girl and a newer metalhead. I wore my first band shirt to school last week. A lot of people thought I was just trying to be edgy and others thought I was an e-girl. WHYY!!
An e girl? Those guys are such dicks. At school I have to wear a uniform and I don’t own any band tees so people only know I’m a metal head when I have music class and I play some slayer or megadeth on guitar.
@@tobyhowe6259 brilliant!
I'm an old metalhead, I'm 45 married 26 years a father of 4 and one grandchild. None of my kids are metalheads nor is my wife. Unfortunately for the faithful; even with the pervasiveness of the genre today. People have only found new ways to scoff. I used to be ridiculed mercilessly for being a satanist, or a weirdo, I was hounded for being gay because the bands wore makeup then. I was repeatedly sought out for problems at school and for being a druggie. You have some of those I'm sure coupled with the new ones, accusations of playing a role, or trying to be noticed. Keep on keeping on! The whole community is at your back like a strong wind. We're a tight and friendly community weather outsiders believe it or not! Love the music, love yourself, live in the community, and rock on!
This exactly what I’m scared of. I’m a Christian metalhead, and I don’t want people to label me as an e-girl. I take from emo, metal, punk, and some goth when it comes to my clothes, so I’m scared people are gonna be judgy.
Unfortunately for the youth of today, people will throw labels on you because of the bad apples ruining the reputation. This e girl craze in recent time definitely doesn't help lol
I've been a metal head since middle school and the fact that it's "different" is just a plus to me but by no means is it the reason I was drawn to it🤷♂️
I never found metal to be rebellious, when I was younger someone asked me what I was into and I said death metal and they gave me a look than came up with the idea that I only liked it because it was graphic when I explained why I like it but still didn't understand at all
I didn't get into metal to be rebellious, I got into it for the music and the culture.
This shit is digging up my old memories. When I was just starting to get into metal and I would stay up late and listen to this legend and his metal thoughts. I remeber my old phone, your shitty camera quality and your soothing voice. I fell asleep like that many, many times. Thank you for good old times my friend! You really helped me with getting into metal and understanding myself! 🤘🤘🤘
I don't know i do still enjoy watching folks squirm when they see a particularly crazy shirt.
I’m a practicing Catholic and to me I think metal music is a healthy thing and not rebelling against society or being judged.
I’m a practicing Catholic too, and I listen to Slayer daily.
I got into it for the music...
and I stayed for the lifestyle :)
I always had support from my Family when it came to heavy metal music! 🎶
I only listen to metal because I like it. For some reason, I just like it, I never thought "I want to be one of those cool kids that are rebellious and into metal, so I'll try to like metal". Doing the whole subculture thing in public comes with some sacrifices, and would I really be making them if I felt just as comfortable and like myself not making them?
To be fair, some people did listen to metal only in high school/teen years. I really is a phase for some people. We call them posers.
I'm 42 and still wear the shirts/make battle jackets. It was never a phase. But people still think there is something wrong with me...and that's ok. They don't get it anyway.
I started listening to metal when I was 10 years old, thanks to my older brother. I recently turned 60 and I'm still a metalhead. If I was "going through a phase," I would've grown out of it long before now!
My mom said the whole, its a phase thing when I got into a little heavier music at 19 of all ages... almost a decade later my favorite past time is painting pretty things and listening to Gorgoroth. Haven't turned into that satanic serial killer yet, just a depressed pagan artist :D
@Yussop op never heard of paganism in black metal? Maybe the dumb one here is you...
@Yussop op yes i believe in paganism and my mythology and cultural heritage
@Yussop op who hurt you
@Yussop op no I'm not actually, because I understand what modern paganism means. You sound like you've never been around it and just want to look more intellectual than everyone else.
When I got into metal in my teens it was definitely like "oh she likes that because a boy she's into likes it. She'll get over it." LOL!! it's been 15 or so years and now I'm heavily into black metal.
I know its punk but I remember getting yelled at in computing for wearing a sex pistols never mind the bollocks tshirt. Now I wear my battlejacket (with a never mind the bollocks pin) with no trouble.
Please can you do a video about your music collection.
Yes the patches are back
I've been into metal for 40 years or so. On behalf of all the metalheads who are my age (and older), and all the metal musicians that have been putting out metal music for that long (and longer), IT IS NOT A "PHASE"! It is who we are.
Thanks to talk about this subject, it happens i mean it used to happen all the time with my mom
I was a rebel a long time before I discovered heavy metal then again we're all rebels sometimes.
I got into it because it's awesome. Metal is good music🤘🏻
its so rebellious of me, that I mainly blasted metal through my headset, instead of the speakers in order to not force my music on other people... super rebel
Been listening to metal since forever. Born under the belt of Rock and Roll in 1972, and it's just been getting more extreme since.
Great vid bro, agree with everything you said. Very good point about the vest and the shirt when you go to a show. It's kinda cool that no one else gets it, but I'm glad that metal can bring together all these folks who don't fit in with the rest of society as well as they might like to. My motivation for listening to metal? I fucking love it. The older I get, my tastes just get heavier and heavier.
It's weird how nobody seems to insist that liking certain kinds of movies, or certain types of food, or most types of music or literature is "just going through a phase" - seems like it's just the rock fans (and especially metal fans) who always get crap for "going through a phase", and fans of certain kinds of genre fiction (like sci-fi and fantasy - especially comic book fans and anime fans tend to get a raw deal for their taste in entertainment; I'm not crazy about comics and anime and animation in general, but i gotta feel bad for the crap those guys get....)
I think it's worth making a rough comparison to genre fiction, because metal music is like a musical version of genre literature like horror, science fiction, and fantasy, from the lyrics, to the cover art, to the music itself. And to this day, literature snobs, like music snobs, will barely give horror, sci-fi, and fantasy literature anything but the smallest, grudging nod of approval for a few exceptions (Poe, Hawthorne, and maybe a dash of Lewis Carroll here, a bit of Tolkien there.....)
Anyway, rock and metal has been "a phase" for something like the last 70 years, and science fiction and fantasy "a phase" since the pulp era, but the fans of this sort of thing have generally only gotten more fanatical over time. Being a rock and metal fan these days isn't very different from being a jazz or opera fan: a bit of a weird and insular subculture, but one that's here for the long haul... only, it's one that the snobs will only allow the occasional grudging "safe" exception through (The Beatles) as OK to listen to without being branded a juvenile troglodyte who needs to grow up....
I got into it through dio, slipknot and tenacious d. Tenac showed me dio, dio led me to slipknot. And it all went uphill from there. I used to love maiden since like 4th grade tho so ig u could say that was my first
yeah im 45 and im still in my "rebelious metal music" phase.
i think alot of the parental or "authority" figures who believe that metal tunes are rebelious are still stuck in the same loop that THEIR parents were in when the beatles hit the scene or even elvis before them. so to that i would say... HYPOCRISY MUCH????
no nobody told me that. why? because my parents didnt care and my mother grew up as a gothic/metal head. so she didnt care either.
You don't hear mariachi music everyday (well for me anyways) could that be rebellion and just a "phase"? But noooo.. ass hats have to come for us because we look different outside the social norms
I've gotta give my parents props here. I didn't really get into metal until college, but I got pretty into the goth look and music in highschool. My parents never gave me crap for it. They could see I was still the same kid. I wasn't turning into some antisocial rebel or something.
I know I'm lucky though...
I got into Goth during my teens. At 34, I am still just as Goth as ever. In fact, my house is decorated Goth.
I wear my battle jacket and band shirts everywhere but I don't do it to piss people off (and nobody ever has been). I do it to meet people with similar tastes and interests. I've made friends just by meeting them and hearing them say "nice battle jacket" and vice versa. it advertises what bands and albums you like and displays your tastes to the world. Which is pretty fucking awesome!
I am in my fifties been listening to metal since I was 16. People are stupid. Up the Irons!
Idk if you have already bro. But I’d love to hear like a top 10 favorite album list or something like that. Just a thought. Keep doin you. Keep rockin 🤘🏼
My mom n step-dad and dad n step-mom are metalheads and 65% of all of my teachers sins grade 8 (first year in Lower secondary school here in Norway ) are metalheads so i never had a problem beang a metalhead
Patch restock ace.
Look at those bands in the back; Marduk, A bath, Venom, Carpathian Forest & Dark Throne pfft can't recall the last time I have ever listened to those softies!
Funny thing is that metal shows here in the great city of Guelph Ontario prove that it isn’t just a phase for lots of us metal heads. The fans that show up are usually pretty immersed into it, where it becomes a part of their identity. Smaller crowds, but much more intense fans. The musicians themselves are usually pretty chill too, probably because they have an outlet that non metalheads usually don’t. Had a bad day? Mosh it out! Metal isn’t rebellion, it’s a wonderful combination of art, power and therapy!
I only listen to metal because I love it. I couldn't give less of a shit about it being "rebellous" or not. Now when I was in high school I did much more feel the need to "dress metal" than I do now as a middle aged man. I primarily dressed that way to show my love for the music but there was definitely an undertone of "f%$k you" to my fellow students at the time. But at 42 I wear my Slayer or Iron Maiden shirts because they're comfortable and I may get lucky and be able to chat about music with some random person I may bump into.
I never saw it quite as being rebellious, so to speak, as a kid but, back then, I definitely felt like an outcast (well, more of one than usual) listening to metal when I was going through high school, a place where rap and pop were dominant. In the late 2000s, for me, I was still a budding metalhead with very little understanding of the culture. There was just something about metal that scratched my itch for a different style of music that was absolutely nothing like the stuff all my peers or my family were listening to. It was a matter of taste and my tastes didn't quite align with everyone else's. They still don't. How many black people out there like black metal, let alone love black metal with a burning passion like I do? Little to none, I bet.
Back in the 80s people thought I was rebelling but, of course, I wasn't. When I left Boston's Metal scene in 1989 I started to realize that I had partaken in tribalism. I had long hair because I wanted to fit in. I wore the shirts because I felt like a walking billboard. Back in 1986 I saw someone with long hair and a Post Mortem t shirt (Post Mortem were a local band from here in Boston) and I thought "That kid over there is in on it". The same happened a couple of years ago when I saw a young man at a supermarket wearing a Nuclear Assault shirt. We conversed for a few minutes.
I like metal because my dad liked it (Ooooooh so rebellious)
It's an outlet honestly metal is very self explanatory it's also a life style not a fashion statement it helps us be our truer selves you feel free in a moshpit that controlled violence those drums blasting those riffs those insane vocals it's an amazing feeling metal is about fuck everybody and be yourself sure some metal genres have there own sets/groups of ppl with rules and occult following but so what metal is everything to me I fucking love it so much. And no it's not a form of rebellion back in the day maybe against Christianity and parents like early on against the government give or take certain bands are like that teenagers too but overall that's not what metal is about metal as a whole is one of the most raw and freest forms of human expression in this universe. 🤘🔥
Metal, jazz and classical are genres that share a commonality. Mainly that they all approach art. They are genres that expand the possibilities of what music can actually be. They are for the thinking person, not the clone.........
I love how when I look in the background I know every band. Even the Carpathian forest one. It's amazing how far I went from a shitty pop punk/rapper boy to a true bm elitist.
The “WOLF” returns !!!!!!!
Dude! I like you! I'm 61 years old, have hair like you, and I wear band t-shirts to work every day (I'm a supervisor, and work in an office at a prison!). Sometimes I'm not crazy about the band, but just want to show who I've seen in concert. I'm not a Satanist, but I've seen Behemoth, so have a couple of their t-shirts. Slayer, etc. I've got some "Christian Metal" t-shirts that are more crazy! I just love Metal!!
Oh, and I'm also an ordained minister, and have degrees in Christian theology! I'm sure some will have issues with that, and I kind of do to, but I just love Metal music! Most so-called "Satanic" music is just trying to figure out life. I understand, for sure!
Dope ass John 5 shirt dude!
The thing about wearing leather and spikes to a concert is really just like someone cosplaying at a convention.
I don't listen to metal or embracing heavy metal culture because I want attention, or want to be a rebel, it's just a hobby and a passion, like any passion or hobby. It's only because I like it. I don't see a rebel as someone who does things just to want attention. But someone who goes against the mainstream or the establishment for a reason, like political, ideologically, or in a sense of worldview, becoming an outlaw biker, survivalist living in a commune etc. I describe a true rebel as someone who has a stance he/she holds sacred and don't want to conform, even though everyone around them hates it or thinks is too radical. But he/ she chose those political or philosophical ideologies and worldviews because he / she truly believes in them, and not only for being rebellious.
Honestly I never really thought of metal as a rebellious way. What got me into metal genres is due to loving the sounds and everything and then later though out the years I started opening up more n more to new music. If being honest I don’t really deck out everything I mostly wear my band shirt and jeans n shoes during the day and also wearing a jacket n sometimes my biker jacket if it’s really cold out.
In the old days, being a hippie, punk, metalhead etc., meant that you WERE rebelling, simply by being one. It was a statement. It went against the grain. It meant you weren't taking orders. Nowadays, it's such a safe thing that younger metalheads don't really have the same experiences or context to really understand it all. Older people still think like it's 30 or 50 years ago, sometimes, which is why they react in certain ways. My mother's own friends tried to convince her that I was a womanizing drug fiend when I was a teen because I had long hair and a leather jacket. When we were kids, my friends got jumped by adults, with 1 even having his face stomped. The cop who came out basically said it was our fault for the way we looked, and drove off.
Yeah, man. Eh, I don't know. The subculture aspect of metal fandom is appealing, but I've never felt that it was enough to stand on its own. As in, it's cool to piss people off in that you like something that others don't, but it's not enough by itself. I'm 49 and obviously I'm far beyond metal fandom being a form of rebellion. It just fucking rocks.
John 5 has been a big inspiration on my playing, great shirt!
My old art teacher asked me if thrash metal was something people listen to when they're suicidal. I shit you not. And I remember this one jerk back when I was in high school who gave me shit over my Megadeth shirt, saying I was only wearing it because I was a freshman.
Who would've thought people are so uninformed when it comes to liking music, amiright?
For example I was just listening to korn or something and my grandfather said I hope you get through this phase unscaved BTW I love my grandfather too death
Lead guitarist from Dimmu Borgir has a solo project called Old Man's Child and it's *so* much better!
So personally, ive just never been into other genres really. As a kid my dad was always playing classic rock. my step mom was big into country. dear sweet baby Satan do i hate country with a passion. id rather have rusty nails jammed under my fingernails than listen to that shit.
anyways, in high school my dad sold me his old records and i really heard Black Sabbath for the first time, more than a couple of the hits, really heard them. after that i wanted more. louder, heavier music and over the years ive gotten into metal. i dont pretend shit, i listen to what i like. if others dont like it then too bad. its not to be edgy or outside the norm, its just good music. ill be 32 this year, its not a phase, im not a moon. its a lifestyle.
Id like to recommend a band, check out Oathbreaker i kinda want to know what they are because ive heard different things about what subgenre they are, some say Blackend hardcore, ive also heard "Grey metal" and if i had to reccomend an album to review it would be Rheia but in my opinion the album is amazing up until "Immortals" not that the other tracks are bad, they only have 3 albums but they're all great!
For me the experience was a little different. My class teacher was worried that I was becoming a criminal?!
Hey man, I hope everything is ok with you. Just a little worried because its been a bit since you've put anything out. Not trying to be pushy, haha, just checking on ya
Seriously, that CF banner... Was it part of their stage decor? Pretty sure I made that for them back in 2007-8 :p
I think it's an interesting topic for discussion and no, I don't think metal is a "phase" if you're in it, you're in for life. However, when it comes to metal being rebellious or not, I'd say it's a two sided coin.
You look very nice in this video :)
I wouldn't look good with the spikes and the black leather stuff.
Shout out to that one time I got stopped by a cop for jaywalking
I honestly never heard such thing maybe because I haven’t listen to it since I was three years old so I don’t know funny and all new to me
But I mean all forms of extreme metal are a middle finger to society. Even black metal was a middle finger to the death metal scene so it's complicated lol. Clever title btw.
Black metal is older then Death metal though.
Black metal isn't just the norwegian second wave. Blasphemy, Bathory, Sarcofago all came long before death metal.
DEATH.FM has been a phase for me... for the past 15 years \m/
venom likes to piss people of.
Name one other genre with the two and a half to four minute guitar solos. Some of my favorite bands are, ax
ACDC hammeron
Stormbringer the '80s metal band
Fist the Canadian metal band
Deep purple
Black Sabbath
Iron maiden
Rage the NWO BHM band
More
Grim reaper
Manowar
Blue oyster cult
Dust
Uriah Heep
Y&t
Hawaii
Metallica
Brownsville station
the Michael schenker group / MSG slash McCauley schenker group
Starz
Nazareth
Stonehenge
Medieval steel
Orion the Hunter
Rough cut
Triumph
Rush
Demon new wave of British heavy metal
Randy
UFO
Darkstar
The scorpions
Kick ax
Van Halen
Raven rainbow
Sammy Hagar
And the James gang.
Was it a coincidence that you uploaded this on James Dean birthday? ;)
My comment for the algorithm
People produce for a concert? I barely wear a comfortable t-shirt or (if we play) a simple black shirt and some shiny shoes
If you get into metal and your parents hate that you do, then it could be called rebellion. I remember a time when i was 11/12 that my mum disliked the fact i listened to music that had swearing in it. But i think she quickly realised the swearing in the music wasnt that bad
I think it's possible to like the music, the style and feel part of an anti-culture. Though Metal has never been as rebellious as Punk, you could say some types of metal are a rebellion against mainstream pop culture. Black Metal, Crossover Punk/Metal, and other extreme metal. But to say someone is just going through a rebellious phase simply because they are dressing in black and listening to metal is super generalizing. I grew up in the late 80's and early 90's when hard rock and metal was at it's highest trendiness, and some of my friends at the time did listen to some Metallica, Pantera and Guns 'n Roses they obviously didn't like metal or hard rock that much, since they abandoned it after awhile. Years later some would actually ask me in a tone like "you still listen to that stuff?!" and i would answer "we'll yeah, but i listen to a lot of other bands too. Metal is more than Metallica and Pantera you know". And so i guess it's possible that some did actually go through "a phase", but lets not put everyone in that box right?
Where do y’all think that January box is?
I guess I've been going through a rebellious phase for almost 17 years and it's getting worse since I picked up guitar... Can't see it getting over it any time soon. 🤔😆
And I've been lucky, can't remember anybody saying me it's just a rebellious phase but I wonder if my mother still thinks I will have a kid since I was told that was a phase too... 🙄
It is rebellious, It started from rebellion.
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what is the intro song called
In my opinion Most metal musicians just use rebellious image and lyrics cause their music is loud and loudness is naturally supposed to feel rebellious.And the metal fans Often try to represent that their music is rebellious though it has no clear connection to rebellion.And people who don’t listen to it pretty much have no clue about the most threatening Imagery users and those who are the loudest like death,grind and black metal.They just listened to famous radio bands who are a bit Louder than the usual music they listened to.The famous bands mostly talk about love,unity,mental pain,intimidation and a bit of satanism which I think is even less rebellions than Billie Eillish.
Metal head for 30 plus years got a shit ton of ts
It's ridiculous. Metal is just a genre, just like any other genre of music. Can you imagine if people started saying to fans of pop, rap, country, or what have you "You only like this because you're being rebellious"? It would be ridiculous. Like goddamn, just let people enjoy whatever kind of music they want, regardless of the genre. I don't know so much about now if just because the attitude towards metal doesn't seem so negative or have this sort of boogeyman like image in the media anymore (now that the "Satanic Panic" isn't really a thing now), but hopefully kids getting into metal nowadays won't get so much shit for it.
Personally i think metal may attract a lot of people who are somewhat individualists or non-conformist in one way or another so the whole rebellious thing is not completely off, but listening to metal or wearing bandshirts for the sole purpose of being rebellious? No, that´s not the point of it, it´s about the music first and foremost.
Woah woah woah .. did you just say abrahadabra was worse? .. that is the best album ever.. i am not upset i am calm and constructive .. i do not hear much in stomblast that is boring to me .. what did u think of puritanical euphoric misanthropia ? It is ok if you like or dislike stuff but never hate on abrahadabra ... 😊😊😊. I initially agree about ionian it seemed bad to me but a few months later it got better but still not perfect.
I mean the rebellion part is not by any means the most important factor. Enjoying the music is. but when you live in a deeply religious country like mine, where crooked pastors and priests use faith to manipulate people into political projects, there is also a rebellion motivation to it, at least for me
Hello
People just hate metal because is different
I'm sick of people thinking that metalhead = just a temporary phase that will be grown out of, as well as everything else u mentioned. If anyone was more likely to be closed minded, id say non metalheads. But yh Dimmu definitely has much better records.