This further shows Bears coaches don't know how to get a QB ready for gameday. Short week TNF is always sloppy, but Bagent looked significantly more nervous and overthinking things than his first game. The longer these coaches have with a QB the worse they get.
think it was more of a mix of being nationally televised, going against the #1 pick, and wanting to make up for his turnovers last week that made him nervous.
I agree, Bagent looked way more nervous this week than he did in the beginning of last week. Idk if it was how ugly last week ended or what but he didn't look the same.
@@Bearsfan131 hopefully he'll continue to start, cause he looked like a totally different player last week in NO. he was playing almost literally perfectly the first 3 quarters.
JT this is the energy I need in my life, call out the BS and praise the quality. You always do but there was some bite in this one and I’m here for it!
bagent looked like a totally different player in New Orleans, he was amazing the first 3 quarters. Think hes gonna be a guy like Brees who can be awesome in a dome, but look ugly a lot of times outside and in the cold.
Do you feel that some issues with Bagent and Fields would be resolved if the snap wasn't so HIGH? It always seems they are jumping up to grab the snap.
I really think the issue with this entire offense is there are far too many WR choice routes. Hard to throw with anticipation if you do not know exactly where the receiver is going to be.
And Tyson has only practiced with the starters for 4-5 weeks, only known them for 6 months. I assume the anticipation takes time and you aren’t going to do it after a 3 turnover game
If u r a good QB u know where they r gonna be. The point of a choice route is for the WR to read the coverage just like the QB and run where the open field is. If your WR and QB r on a different page that means either your WR is ass or your QB is
Jaw-dropping analysis! Now I know WHY this was such a hard game to watch. It's a whole other ball game listening and watching how you break this down. Love your tone as well, simply objective, calling things for what they are, judging without being "judgmental". Sure wish the Bears would hire you!
You chose good plays to breakdown showing what Bagent needs to work on. He might grow into NFL speed and he isn't afraid to admit he needs to do that. It wouldn't have been bad to target Moore a shitload more than he did.
I’m so happy you say this at 4:02. Anticipation is just not a part of Getsys coaching apparently. It’s almost like they’re taught to throw it late. It’s seems like for some reason the longer Getsy is in someone’s ear the worse they play. He wasn’t doing a lot of this hesitancy stuff before
i don't think they are being taught to throw it late but they are being taught that in order to throw the ball, they have to see what they want to throw to which takes anticipation out of the play. I get the feeling what is being taught is snap, drop back, see the WR, throw to WR.
guys, both Bears QB's are not releasing the ball on time and going through their progressions fast enough. It's the NFL, you have to throw with anticipation. That is what they are being taught and they are not executing.@@Jasper118
I complained about Bagents movement in the pocket last night. He ran several times when there was no need to run, he was getting very solid protection. I wish the Bears would hire you to help out this darn offense.
@@johnnychimpo7539…that was very obvious..Bagent played very Fields like….Lots of hesitation. Normally he just rips it. He played not to help the Panthers win.
@@graysonbuttercheeks3136 hey chill, not everyone gets it. I duno what you mean at the end but he played to not lose. They’ve always played overly conservative and it’s been detrimental
@@johnnychimpo7539 …they had to play Bagent cautiously…Panthers are bad but there defense is not atrocious…8th in the NFL in total yards and 5th against the pass. I’d say Bagent did everything exactly right to not give the game to the Panthers.
@@graysonbuttercheeks3136 you also have to account for the fact that the bears dropped like 4 picks in this game with one of them likely a pick six. The bears defense had multiple opportunities to put this game into the realm of a 2 to 3 possession game and just kept on dropping picks.
It was obvious that Bagent was afraid to make a bunch of throws in this game. After the previous game where he was playing great through the 3rd but then had multiple interceptions in the 4th quarter. He needs to find that middle ground in between being way too careful with the ball and being super reckless.
@@Ghostkilla773 no he doesn't, while criticizing him some, he still always leaves it open that fields is some stud and everything else around him is probably a bigger problem
Great analysis. This game should have been a blow out if they got more competent play from the QB. This was Bagent's worst game. Can't help to think that his awful 4th quarter against New Orleans affected his confidence in this game. He did not look like the same QB.
We have to remember he is Division II rookie playing in his 5th game, starting 4th that the bears staff didn't give any first team reps to until Fields go injured even though Fields missed time in each of his first two years with injuries, Bagent was just running scout team until that time. Very short sighted by the coaching staff. Seems like if he sorts out his feet, there is some promise of an NFL career. That Chargers game unsettled Bagent a bit, he's not used to getting hit by players of this size and strength, he certainly doesn't want to get hit over and over again. Feel like Bagent could be interesting project for a coach like Sean Payton if their path come together. Lucas Patrick at center is a black hole on the offensive line, that Chase Claypool trade robbed Bears of possible starting center in this past draft.
Bagent 2-2, could've been 3-1 in 1st 4 starts I find impressive. Some of his bad throws I believe were throwaways to avoid turnovers after the Saints game. Either way, keep these QBs and invest those draft picks in the O/D lines
They should have told Bagent at half that he needs to target DJ Moore more. He should have had 10 - 12 targets in this game. The Bears need MUCH better coaching on the offense. I am sick and tired of having an offense that is geared for college, not the pros.
He will say what the tape says, " It was FREAKING awesome. Stroud is the BEST QB drafted in the last -3- years. He has it ALL. BTW, I am not a Texan fan or Buckeye fan, the kid is the real deal.
Watched some commentary on this bears vs panthers game. As a former QB, this guy is really good at teaching QB, he breaks down this film the way it's supposed to be in the film room of QBs. No way is Tyson a #1 QB based on this film alone.
Bagent definitely looked like he regressed a bit, decision making not so hot, little anticipation, does not seem as confident, despite pretty good protection. Hopefully he gets a chance to bounce back next game.
I don’t think it’s that he’s regressed it’s more than teams are figuring him out and we’re finally seeing his physical limitations. He’s a good story but definitely not a starter
@halftime My belief by Bajan didn't throw any anticipation throws inside the numbers is likely because the coaching staff along with us fanbase have had interception-fatigue over the past two Bears games. To me, it's always at least a partial victory as long as Bagent doesn't give the ball away by interception or fumble.
Excellent and insightful details on the 1st 3rd down play-call that is not designed to maximize the QB’s reads; why did the OC call a play that the Corner Back can adjust to given the Tight-End’s not being a threat to run past him🤯🤯🤯🤯, thus cluttering the thrown lane🤷🏿♂️
If u look at it, it was a dime, just tipped. Window was super tight. The cb was never picking that if it wasn’t tipped. Right on the monsters back shoulder.
what play are you talking bout. Not the early out route to cole? thats the same concept he through a pick on in the chargers game. (clear with and out route underneath) @@santaclause3487
Bagent played this game like a QB who was instructed explicitly that if the the throw isn't PAINFULLY OBVIOUSLY open, DO NOT under any circumstances throw it. The 3 INTs last game spooked him some for sure and the coaching staff very likely figured that if they just avoid a turnover then they are better than the Panthers and win so told him to just make only simple safe throws. Hopefully he gets more chances later on because the underlying skills are there and show up on film. Comparing him to Fields is night and day the speed he gets from snap to throw and he does usually throw with more anticipation than he showed against CAR. His pocket awareness and ability to move in the pocket and readjust to throw is lightyears ahead of Fields. It shows up on the stat lines... with the same o-line protecting him Bagent has only been sacked on 3.4% of his dropbacks where Fields... is up in the rafters at 12.9%... and that number has actually brought his career sack rate DOWN. Sacks are drive killers and Fields to date has averaged being sacked at least once every other set of downs. It's no shock that his career record is 6/25 and Bagent is 2/2 just on the virtue of avoiding those backbreaking sacks alone.
Your analysis was an eye-opener my first time watching. #TysonBagent17 is indeed missing the best open throws, but let's not forget he hasn't had the benefit of being the number one in camp and all the coaching and film room work. Let's #CaveatEmptor staff do a breakdown like you've done - he's capable he just needs more reps. As for #JustinFields my guess is he doesn't even come close to this level of competence, and never will. They need to use their 2024 top end draft pick for one of the top QBs coming out (and NOT crybaby Caleb) /231112
Multiple analysts...incl. a game announcer....Also (as Tim does here)excused Bagent on not seeing that sudden open deep route by Tim Scott...all saying the same thing...not part of where his eyes were supposed to be in terms of his normal progression on that play. So-so game by Bagent this time. But I believe he definitely has a future in the game
On the 2nd & 20 play at about 12:00 I'm curious what the thoughts are about the play-action. Why is this called? On 2nd & 20 you're not going to draw the LB or S down to cover the run. All you do I take the QB's eyes off the field so he doesn't see the post come open. Is anyone calling for play-action here?
Halfway through this, and there are two things that, to me, seem pretty evident: 1) With how much he scrambles, bounces, throws on the run, I don't think he trusts his arm strength on plays that aren't him clearly pre-determining the shots off one read. Which is key to my second point: 2) I've heard you many times across many videos say "that's open in the NFL." I don't think he either believes that, realizes that, or trusts himself to make those throws since they don't seem "open" to him.
Love the vid as always JT. YOU’RE RIGHT …not enough DJ2,(he’s pissed), too much Kmet (he’s not Kelce)…coaches need to feature the right guys…DJ2, and get back to what worked for JF1 in WAS & DEN games.
DJ Moore is a bad bad man. Love what he can do and just want to see my QB deliver it to him on time. It is weird that that is such a monumental ask. Bagent or Fields or whoever is here next year, we have a legit WR who will break the other team if you just get him the ball on time. And yeah, we Center is a huge problem too. Let us hope that Poles gets the C of the future sooner rather than later
JT, thanks for instructing old dogs on how to intelligently watch NFL QB's. I expect you would be reluctant to call this out but - do you feel these QB's are getting quality positional coaching??
What stands out for me on that last ay: 11 got rocked. Looked like he needed a minute to gather himself. But then some meathead comes along and hoists him into air, lol
Seems to be a problem with Bears quarterbacks with both Bagent and Fields that they don't throw with anticipation very well. Too bad they don't have good coaching.
Thing is, Bagents first two games he was throwing with anticipation. The last two he seems to be more apprehensive. Maybe info overload, mental fatigue, or even just a rookie being a rookie. He has it in him to be a very good qb in this league. Might only play 4 games a year due to frequent starter injuries these days..which is a lot in comparison to yesteryear. You know dude can move the team up and down the field. I’m happy with him as a reliever. :) With that said… he’s proven to be a valuable backup. Time to get the starter back out there. Dude made a few promises he can’t keep while sitting on the bench.
I really hope he returns and plays better next time… Better anticipation, timing, putting more loft on the ball so we can drop it in the right place if he’s throwing deep towards the end zone… I never played any college ball, I wasn’t even a high school quarterback… But I would practice and have games with some guys who are on the football team, and of course in gym class I was always the quarterback but I would be making throws the same way you’re criticizing… Throwing the ball in the air on time it’s almost like a natural clock in your head not only do you have to judge the speed you have to judge the arc, have touch, knowing where to lead the receiver throw the ball before he even turns around so that when he turns around in the ends on the balls right in his hands… I had an exercise where I would take a small wheel like a bicycle wheel and from about 50 yards away my friend would roll that bicycle wheel across the asphalt at different speeds and I’d have to throw football and hit the bicycle wheel as a target practice but you have to judge the speed, timing, release points, accuracy, velocity etc.… It was a really good exercise… And it did help when I was playing football… Just in gym class I would beat the quarterbacks who are playing on our varsity squad… They didn’t have the same type of computing power in their brains to know when to throw the ball, the speed/velocity, placement etc.… Nothing difficult, I wasn’t doing anything special… I was doing what’s supposed to be part of the game… Not that big of a deal but for some reason a lot of these guys don’t understand that… But I really hope Justin and Tyson can eventually get there. By the way Great stuff again thank you so much I appreciate it
Forever Bears fan and so hard to be one! Thanks JT with your great analysis as always! Hope Bagent gets better in a hurry since we will have 2nd and 3rd picks in the next draft!
Thanks for pointing out DJ's body language. Worries me cause it seems to reflect the fact that he knows the QB is missing things and it can't help but affect his play and desire -- don't want to lose that cause of talent that doesn't match his own.
JT, please do a Kenny Pickett analysis for week 10. I think Steeler woes are awful offensive scheme and a QB who locks onto one receiver each play. How can you run for almost 200 yards and have Pickens and Johnson and not have anyone open or use play action effectively? Insane.
I think that Moore throw was a good ball. The db was blatantly holding moore. That was dpi or illegal contact. If he wasn't then moore would have been able to get to that.
Thanks, JT! Appreciate the honest assessment! Seems like Bagent regressed a little bit from the first Oakland start and is probably a little gun shy after throwing 3 picks last week. But in his defense, guys seems statics and don’t always work back to the ball. And many don’t know how to get off of their defender’s line especially in a scramble drill. No one can consistently win 1-1 matchups.
You learn week by week. Bagent is fine. It always amazes me the armchair quarterbacks. Elway, Marino, Farve all had tough beginnings. The more reps the more film study this kid will be fine. Todays society is a joke.
Hard to watch. Rookie QB is not making good decisions. Protection is good. Guys open. Again and again. Thinking Bagent was spooked by INTs in prior game and did not trust himself to throw.
Bagent missed seeing wide open receivers on virtually every passing play, and he telegraphs where he is throwing - often making up his mind before the ball is snapped.
@@johnnychimpo7539FIELDS is a bust and would have been down three scores with him starting, because he can't move the chains and read defenses. We have seen enough of him in 2 and a half years.
This guy is awesome, I can’t wait until he does Bryce Young. I’m curious to know how much is on him, and the lack of cast around him. I’m sure it’s both.
The idea that #2 is somehow justified or seen as "rightfully" acting out by turning into a little pouting princess essentially every other play is quite frankly absurd. I was shocked when the usually on point JT said #2 was "rightfully acting this way" as that BS body language after every other play seems like it should all be at the latest left in high school as a person really should have learned to..... oh IDK..... control their emotions a bit better. Obviously, these guys are uber competitive so an occasional slip up is entirely understandable but acting like an overgrown child whose Mommy won't buy him a candy bar in the checkout lane 15x in a single game is outright laughable. Additionally, it is obviously not going to help an already overwhelmed rookie when their best WR is showing them up in a primetime game time and again. Keep in mind this was/is a very developmental rookie QB who was playing against D2 defenses this time last year and was not supposed to see the field for at least a season or two.
I always love your breakdowns of the various QB’s in the league. I am a long time Bears fan and I can honestly say that once again, Fields and Bagent will go nowhere with this team. They both have been coached their whole lives, but when you get to the NFL level, coaching these young QB’s needs to be at the highest level. This organization has nothing to offer these guys. The routes are way to confusing for them. They need simple backyard football plays designed to get the ball out quick and accurate. I get you need to air it out to keep the defense honest, but the confusion of these plays on tape is mind blowing. The offensive line is really confused at times as well. I love watching your videos, but obviously hate them as well. It’s amazing how you see guys open on tape all the time, but ultimately it’s the QB that needs too see it in real time.
13 was open on that Mooney go route also. If he doesn't throw to 2, who was open, if he looks to the right 13 was streaking for a WIDE OPEN TD!!! So many missed opportunities in this game.
“Justin Fields can learn a lot from this guy” 😂 I love Bagent but this snarky comment of mine is directed to the commentators I’ve had to hear the past couple weeks….. *cough* Collinsworth
24:28 So I’m confused. We are trashing him for throwing to the WIDE WIDE open at 5 yds on 3rd and 7 instead of throwing to the open guy at 9 yds???? I’m really confused.
@@TheQBSchool You’re legit trashing him for throwing to a guy uncovered with no one within 10 yds of him. Who then easily picked up the 1st down. Again, this is a rookie starting his 4th game. Seems odd to go so hard on that play. I get you love Fields and I do to but sounds a little like a hit piece
Rewatching makes me say "Damn I am glad that Getsy is gone!" Players play the game but when so many players are making mistakes constantly it is the coaching not preparing them.
It’s on his Patreon… really wish he would post it here eventually as I’m in debt and that’s only going to increase over the next few years. But who knows if I’ll ever get to see it.
This video makes us all appreciate JF1 - Wins are not a QB stat. JF1 coming back to a fully healthy D and Line literally for the first time in his career. It’s on him now to show it.
Bagent's inconsistent play is possibly due to people telling him he has skills that he doesn't possess. Last week they were applauding him for "being mobile" and this week he barely sets his feet on passes where its ideal.
Or maybe its because he is a rookie undrafted D2 player who just a year ago was playing in front of 5000 and now over 60000 and on national television. The vast majority of rookie QB's make mistakes. He is in a learning faze. He's a capable backup that in time with patience and development can be a solid backup in the league for a very long time. But the media and fandom have no patience.
Or maybe the Panthers defense is actually decent…8th in total defense and 5th against the pass….Bagent played exactly how he needed to play to get the win instead of giving it to the Panthers.
@@michaelmccullough5408 that goes directly against the argument where y'all constantly praise his poise. Now, does he have unbelievable poise and can function in this league or is he a D2 low quality cop out that needs poor excuses? I like Bagent as a potential number 2 in this league as well, but you guys are going in circles.
Tyson Bagent is the better QB to read coverages and move the chains than Justin FIELDS. FIELDS gets sacked more in games and makes the OL look weak. Bagent has not been sacked. We win more with Bagent than with Fields. #FJF #TEAMBAGENT #BEARDOWN
facts, people hate bagent because his game is "ugly" sometimes but dont realize all the nuanced things he does that contribute to winning. Like taking zero sacks and usually going on methodically drives, hardly ever going 3 and out which keeps the defense fresher. Fields style of play makes everyone on the team worse, and makes himself look way better than he is to the casual fan because of having sportscenter highlights now and again.
@@TripHop- you and the1magageneral323 deserve the bears qb situation with bs takes like this! you completely ignored this film and reality. I hope the Bears continue to be the poorly run org it has been and keeps this coaching staff and trades Justin to a real team. Agent Bagent is a good young back up that needs proper coaching but Justin is a star with proper coaching.
@@ericthurman1050 F yourself because you are not A true Bears fan who wants to win you are one of those Justin FIELDS fanboys who refuse to acknowledge that FIELDS might be the problem from not reading defense, throwing picks, and or getting sacked every single game. FIELDS has blamed everyone else but himself. The QB who I want drafted is Michigan QB JJ McCarty who is a better pocket passer than Fields. This offense line can be better and if FIELDS read defenses and adjusted the plays better than we wouldn't have been in this situation. One good game against Washington just passing to DJ Moore than any other WR shows a lot. #FJF #TEAMBAGENT #BEARDOWN
@the1magageneral323 you aren't a bears fan either apparently. You refuse to look at reality. Your entire team sucks and has for how long? Thos staff makes everyone worse. Players leave and immediately do better. But Justin fields is the problem? Bagent has regressed,so by your logic of could would should isn't he the problem? Justin set a qb rushing record last year with no wr and during a roster tear down. This year he and Tyson have supposedly looked the same and this video is literally littered with JT saying they have many of the same issues with turn downs bad reads bad drops and no anticipation. You are so dedicated to your narrative that you can't even keep track of your arguments. You can't even remember the video u are commenting on and what you heard in it. Furthermore he also threw for an 80 percent completion percentage against Denver. He us an elite deep ball thrower and has been all his career. Tyson throws tons of pick worth passes and again jt showed it here. And finally who has fields blamed? Please don't say coaches because that would show, yet again you don't know what you are talking about. I listened and watched that entire press conference and he said the word coaching to answer a specific question before elaborating that it was him trying to be a perfectionist. He complimented the coaches and said they were doing their job. But again don't let reality get in the way of your narrative, general.
nah man there are real bears fans out here who understand it. Its just those type of dudes are the loudest. the kid manages a meager 16 points against a 1-7 team but will crucify Justin for putting up 28 against the broncos (who then go on to hold the chiefs to 20pts) Mahomes is having his worst statistical year of his career under our old OC. They dont see those types of correlations@@ericthurman1050
This further shows Bears coaches don't know how to get a QB ready for gameday. Short week TNF is always sloppy, but Bagent looked significantly more nervous and overthinking things than his first game. The longer these coaches have with a QB the worse they get.
How about the NFL catches up and exposes a quaterback like the Saints did
think it was more of a mix of being nationally televised, going against the #1 pick, and wanting to make up for his turnovers last week that made him nervous.
I agree, Bagent looked way more nervous this week than he did in the beginning of last week. Idk if it was how ugly last week ended or what but he didn't look the same.
@@Bearsfan131 hopefully he'll continue to start, cause he looked like a totally different player last week in NO. he was playing almost literally perfectly the first 3 quarters.
@@TripHop- Fields is our guy.
JT this is the energy I need in my life, call out the BS and praise the quality. You always do but there was some bite in this one and I’m here for it!
Get off his nuts bro 😂
@@jlewjrWhat a goofy comment, relax bud.
Pulling for Bagent as a WVian, but this game was a really tough watch. Both teams have earned their records.
Billy Idol rocks. I've seen him about 10 times live.
bagent looked like a totally different player in New Orleans, he was amazing the first 3 quarters. Think hes gonna be a guy like Brees who can be awesome in a dome, but look ugly a lot of times outside and in the cold.
@@TripHop- the only thing Bagent and Brees has in common is the color
of their skin😆
@@TripHop- Dude, Brees is top ten all time, what a goofy comparison.
@@TripHop-you must be Bagent cousin or gf🤣🤣🤣 wtf weirdo
Your circling at 28:00 was the funniest football commentary this year by far! 😂😂😂😂
Do you feel that some issues with Bagent and Fields would be resolved if the snap wasn't so HIGH? It always seems they are jumping up to grab the snap.
Yes I agree
Not just the snap, a whole new Center1 and backup is needed. Worst overall performance on Oline so far.
I learn so much from watching your videos about the game of football man. You're awesome thanks for the great content keep it up.
The continued circling for emphasis at 28:20 cracked me up. Great, fair commentary as always - your videos are super educational and fun
I really think the issue with this entire offense is there are far too many WR choice routes. Hard to throw with anticipation if you do not know exactly where the receiver is going to be.
And Tyson has only practiced with the starters for 4-5 weeks, only known them for 6 months. I assume the anticipation takes time and you aren’t going to do it after a 3 turnover game
It’s also Hard to throw when your arm has the strength of a 10 yr old girl
If u r a good QB u know where they r gonna be. The point of a choice route is for the WR to read the coverage just like the QB and run where the open field is. If your WR and QB r on a different page that means either your WR is ass or your QB is
this is literally what they are paid to do, smfh
Jaw-dropping analysis! Now I know WHY this was such a hard game to watch. It's a whole other ball game listening and watching how you break this down. Love your tone as well, simply objective, calling things for what they are, judging without being "judgmental". Sure wish the Bears would hire you!
You chose good plays to breakdown showing what Bagent needs to work on. He might grow into NFL speed and he isn't afraid to admit he needs to do that. It wouldn't have been bad to target Moore a shitload more than he did.
I’m so happy you say this at 4:02. Anticipation is just not a part of Getsys coaching apparently. It’s almost like they’re taught to throw it late. It’s seems like for some reason the longer Getsy is in someone’s ear the worse they play. He wasn’t doing a lot of this hesitancy stuff before
i don't think they are being taught to throw it late but they are being taught that in order to throw the ball, they have to see what they want to throw to which takes anticipation out of the play. I get the feeling what is being taught is snap, drop back, see the WR, throw to WR.
@@darkprometheus that’s more what I meant
guys, both Bears QB's are not releasing the ball on time and going through their progressions fast enough. It's the NFL, you have to throw with anticipation. That is what they are being taught and they are not executing.@@Jasper118
Great breakdown! Love all of these!
Love your videos man. Always learn a lot, really enjoyed your perspective at the end of the video as well. Keep it up!
I appreciate that!
Thanks for these assessments JT!- been a wonderful tool to help me learn more about the game. Alas that I was born to be a fan of this team haha
Impressed with the Panthers depleted defense. They came to Soldiers Field 1- 7 and held the greatest D2 college QB and the Bears to just 16 points.
That’s crazy. There’s 130 Division 1 QBs and 100 division 1 FCS QBs
I complained about Bagents movement in the pocket last night. He ran several times when there was no need to run, he was getting very solid protection. I wish the Bears would hire you to help out this darn offense.
Seems like he wanted to play cautious and he played overly cautious, not surprising really
@@johnnychimpo7539…that was very obvious..Bagent played very Fields like….Lots of hesitation. Normally he just rips it. He played not to help the Panthers win.
@@graysonbuttercheeks3136 hey chill, not everyone gets it. I duno what you mean at the end but he played to not lose. They’ve always played overly conservative and it’s been detrimental
@@johnnychimpo7539 …they had to play Bagent cautiously…Panthers are bad but there defense is not atrocious…8th in the NFL in total yards and 5th against the pass. I’d say Bagent did everything exactly right to not give the game to the Panthers.
@@graysonbuttercheeks3136 you also have to account for the fact that the bears dropped like 4 picks in this game with one of them likely a pick six. The bears defense had multiple opportunities to put this game into the realm of a 2 to 3 possession game and just kept on dropping picks.
It was obvious that Bagent was afraid to make a bunch of throws in this game. After the previous game where he was playing great through the 3rd but then had multiple interceptions in the 4th quarter. He needs to find that middle ground in between being way too careful with the ball and being super reckless.
since you light up a rookie after start 4 make sure you keep the same energy when fields plays
He's roasted Fields every game
@@Ghostkilla773 no he doesn't, while criticizing him some, he still always leaves it open that fields is some stud and everything else around him is probably a bigger problem
@@TripHop-because bagent is a proven backup get off his nuts
@@TripHop- you just listen to what you want to hear.
Great analysis. This game should have been a blow out if they got more competent play from the QB. This was Bagent's worst game. Can't help to think that his awful 4th quarter against New Orleans affected his confidence in this game. He did not look like the same QB.
Now we need a double feature CJ Stroud vs Bucs/Bengals. Love your videos sir! Thanks for the content
Scratching my neck feining for that CJ Stroud week 9 game analysis
We have to remember he is Division II rookie playing in his 5th game, starting 4th that the bears staff didn't give any first team reps to until Fields go injured even though Fields missed time in each of his first two years with injuries, Bagent was just running scout team until that time. Very short sighted by the coaching staff. Seems like if he sorts out his feet, there is some promise of an NFL career. That Chargers game unsettled Bagent a bit, he's not used to getting hit by players of this size and strength, he certainly doesn't want to get hit over and over again. Feel like Bagent could be interesting project for a coach like Sean Payton if their path come together. Lucas Patrick at center is a black hole on the offensive line, that Chase Claypool trade robbed Bears of possible starting center in this past draft.
“That’s just not NFL football…” @ 11:22. LOL
Sullivan was a scrub, was never better than Bagent.
O'Sullivan
@@TheQBSchool😂
@@TheQBSchoolSee the BS we deal with in Chicago? 🤣 Bagent mania
Bagent 2-2, could've been 3-1 in 1st 4 starts I find impressive. Some of his bad throws I believe were throwaways to avoid turnovers after the Saints game. Either way, keep these QBs and invest those draft picks in the O/D lines
They should have told Bagent at half that he needs to target DJ Moore more. He should have had 10 - 12 targets in this game. The Bears need MUCH better coaching on the offense. I am sick and tired of having an offense that is geared for college, not the pros.
Justin FIELDS is more used to college offenses which is why he struggles and why he is a bust.
do an analysis on cj strouds 470 yard game against the buccaneers. stroud has been insanely impressive
been on patreon
He will say what the tape says, " It was FREAKING awesome. Stroud is the BEST QB drafted in the last -3- years. He has it ALL. BTW, I am not a Texan fan or Buckeye fan, the kid is the real deal.
jt always keeping it real, nothing better.
Bagent seems like he is a pretty coachable player. Hopefully they can get him improved rather quickly.
before the game I asked you about 85 redeeming himself, and the first play you highlight is him running an out route like a tackle eligible.
Watched some commentary on this bears vs panthers game. As a former QB, this guy is really good at teaching QB, he breaks down this film the way it's supposed to be in the film room of QBs. No way is Tyson a #1 QB based on this film alone.
Been waiting for you to review Bagent. Thanks
Thats miss on the "clear" at 14:22 is the differene between a great qb and and a career backup
Bagent definitely looked like he regressed a bit, decision making not so hot, little anticipation, does not seem as confident, despite pretty good protection. Hopefully he gets a chance to bounce back next game.
I don’t think it’s that he’s regressed it’s more than teams are figuring him out and we’re finally seeing his physical limitations. He’s a good story but definitely not a starter
Please do another Purdy analysis from 9ers vs jags!!
Bears OC has a theme of not calling plays to throw across the middle. It really is a detriment to both QBs and their developments
Gimme that new CJ Stroud baby!
@halftime
My belief by Bajan didn't throw any anticipation throws inside the numbers is likely because the coaching staff along with us fanbase have had interception-fatigue over the past two Bears games.
To me, it's always at least a partial victory as long as Bagent doesn't give the ball away by interception or fumble.
35:20 I was thinking the same thing. Why are the lineman looking in the backfield when they should be looking for someone to hit.
Do Stroud vs Bucs 🙏🏽🙏🏽
He already did that for the patreon community.
On Patreon
Excellent and insightful details on the 1st 3rd down play-call that is not designed to maximize the QB’s reads; why did the OC call a play that the Corner Back can adjust to given the Tight-End’s not being a threat to run past him🤯🤯🤯🤯, thus cluttering the thrown lane🤷🏿♂️
If u look at it, it was a dime, just tipped. Window was super tight. The cb was never picking that if it wasn’t tipped. Right on the monsters back shoulder.
what play are you talking bout. Not the early out route to cole? thats the same concept he through a pick on in the chargers game. (clear with and out route underneath)
@@santaclause3487
Bagent played this game like a QB who was instructed explicitly that if the the throw isn't PAINFULLY OBVIOUSLY open, DO NOT under any circumstances throw it. The 3 INTs last game spooked him some for sure and the coaching staff very likely figured that if they just avoid a turnover then they are better than the Panthers and win so told him to just make only simple safe throws. Hopefully he gets more chances later on because the underlying skills are there and show up on film. Comparing him to Fields is night and day the speed he gets from snap to throw and he does usually throw with more anticipation than he showed against CAR. His pocket awareness and ability to move in the pocket and readjust to throw is lightyears ahead of Fields. It shows up on the stat lines... with the same o-line protecting him Bagent has only been sacked on 3.4% of his dropbacks where Fields... is up in the rafters at 12.9%... and that number has actually brought his career sack rate DOWN. Sacks are drive killers and Fields to date has averaged being sacked at least once every other set of downs. It's no shock that his career record is 6/25 and Bagent is 2/2 just on the virtue of avoiding those backbreaking sacks alone.
Your analysis was an eye-opener my first time watching.
#TysonBagent17 is indeed missing the best open throws, but let's not forget he hasn't had the benefit of being the number one in camp and all the coaching and film room work.
Let's #CaveatEmptor staff do a breakdown like you've done - he's capable he just needs more reps.
As for #JustinFields my guess is he doesn't even come close to this level of competence, and never will. They need to use their 2024 top end draft pick for one of the top QBs coming out (and NOT crybaby Caleb)
/231112
What you don’t like the black QBs or something 😂😂
Loved the video!
How much can you put on a short week preparation?
Multiple analysts...incl. a game announcer....Also (as Tim does here)excused Bagent on not seeing that sudden open deep route by Tim Scott...all saying the same thing...not part of where his eyes were supposed to be in terms of his normal progression on that play. So-so game by Bagent this time. But I believe he definitely has a future in the game
Texans game not even over and I can’t wait for the patreon vid
finally someone else saying "set your feet" and drive the ball.
On the 2nd & 20 play at about 12:00 I'm curious what the thoughts are about the play-action. Why is this called? On 2nd & 20 you're not going to draw the LB or S down to cover the run. All you do I take the QB's eyes off the field so he doesn't see the post come open.
Is anyone calling for play-action here?
Been waiting all year for a Zach Wilson video
Halfway through this, and there are two things that, to me, seem pretty evident:
1) With how much he scrambles, bounces, throws on the run, I don't think he trusts his arm strength on plays that aren't him clearly pre-determining the shots off one read. Which is key to my second point:
2) I've heard you many times across many videos say "that's open in the NFL." I don't think he either believes that, realizes that, or trusts himself to make those throws since they don't seem "open" to him.
No CJ Stroud this week?
Love the vid as always JT. YOU’RE RIGHT …not enough DJ2,(he’s pissed), too much Kmet (he’s not Kelce)…coaches need to feature the right guys…DJ2, and get back to what worked for JF1 in WAS & DEN games.
Can you do an analysis on his previous games? I’m wondering if that game against the saints trickled over
He already did the complete Saints game for the patreon community.
@@mjciavola appreciate you letting us know - i might have found my way to the Patreon..
DJ Moore is a bad bad man. Love what he can do and just want to see my QB deliver it to him on time. It is weird that that is such a monumental ask. Bagent or Fields or whoever is here next year, we have a legit WR who will break the other team if you just get him the ball on time. And yeah, we Center is a huge problem too. Let us hope that Poles gets the C of the future sooner rather than later
JT, thanks for instructing old dogs on how to intelligently watch NFL QB's. I expect you would be reluctant to call this out but - do you feel these QB's are getting quality positional coaching??
What stands out for me on that last ay:
11 got rocked. Looked like he needed a minute to gather himself. But then some meathead comes along and hoists him into air, lol
Seems to be a problem with Bears quarterbacks with both Bagent and Fields that they don't throw with anticipation very well. Too bad they don't have good coaching.
Thing is, Bagents first two games he was throwing with anticipation. The last two he seems to be more apprehensive. Maybe info overload, mental fatigue, or even just a rookie being a rookie. He has it in him to be a very good qb in this league. Might only play 4 games a year due to frequent starter injuries these days..which is a lot in comparison to yesteryear. You know dude can move the team up and down the field. I’m happy with him as a reliever. :)
With that said… he’s proven to be a valuable backup. Time to get the starter back out there. Dude made a few promises he can’t keep while sitting on the bench.
I really hope he returns and plays better next time… Better anticipation, timing, putting more loft on the ball so we can drop it in the right place if he’s throwing deep towards the end zone… I never played any college ball, I wasn’t even a high school quarterback… But I would practice and have games with some guys who are on the football team, and of course in gym class I was always the quarterback but I would be making throws the same way you’re criticizing… Throwing the ball in the air on time it’s almost like a natural clock in your head not only do you have to judge the speed you have to judge the arc, have touch, knowing where to lead the receiver throw the ball before he even turns around so that when he turns around in the ends on the balls right in his hands… I had an exercise where I would take a small wheel like a bicycle wheel and from about 50 yards away my friend would roll that bicycle wheel across the asphalt at different speeds and I’d have to throw football and hit the bicycle wheel as a target practice but you have to judge the speed, timing, release points, accuracy, velocity etc.… It was a really good exercise… And it did help when I was playing football… Just in gym class I would beat the quarterbacks who are playing on our varsity squad… They didn’t have the same type of computing power in their brains to know when to throw the ball, the speed/velocity, placement etc.… Nothing difficult, I wasn’t doing anything special… I was doing what’s supposed to be part of the game… Not that big of a deal but for some reason a lot of these guys don’t understand that… But I really hope Justin and Tyson can eventually get there. By the way Great stuff again thank you so much I appreciate it
I wanna see JT O'Sullivan interview Cole Kmet (#85). That would be so interesting those two going through his film.
Forever Bears fan and so hard to be one! Thanks JT with your great analysis as always! Hope Bagent gets better in a hurry since we will have 2nd and 3rd picks in the next draft!
He is a decent backup QB.
Exactly that, a good backup
Thanks for pointing out DJ's body language. Worries me cause it seems to reflect the fact that he knows the QB is missing things and it can't help but affect his play and desire -- don't want to lose that cause of talent that doesn't match his own.
I’ve never seen a quarterback so bent on not turning the ball over. He was playing scared.
Still got the W though.
When you doing CJ's week 9 EPIC performance?????
On Patreon
6:08 Just saying, quickest way to set off a Bears fan is to use green and gold together.
JT, please do a Kenny Pickett analysis for week 10. I think Steeler woes are awful offensive scheme and a QB who locks onto one receiver each play. How can you run for almost 200 yards and have Pickens and Johnson and not have anyone open or use play action effectively? Insane.
I think that Moore throw was a good ball. The db was blatantly holding moore. That was dpi or illegal contact. If he wasn't then moore would have been able to get to that.
That double move to DJ was illegal contact by the DB. If that penalty (not called) doesn't happen, that ball is perfect.
Thanks, JT! Appreciate the honest assessment! Seems like Bagent regressed a little bit from the first Oakland start and is probably a little gun shy after throwing 3 picks last week. But in his defense, guys seems statics and don’t always work back to the ball. And many don’t know how to get off of their defender’s line especially in a scramble drill. No one can consistently win 1-1 matchups.
Getsy, the OC is absolutely the worst in the league.
I would love to watch Moore watching these breakdowns lol
Easy hot to the left? Only to be picked for 6?
You learn week by week. Bagent is fine. It always amazes me the armchair quarterbacks. Elway, Marino, Farve all had tough beginnings. The more reps the more film study this kid will be fine.
Todays society is a joke.
No Stroud week 9?
is this a joke?
@@TheQBSchool😂😆
Hard to watch. Rookie QB is not making good decisions. Protection is good. Guys open. Again and again. Thinking Bagent was spooked by INTs in prior game and did not trust himself to throw.
Last week Bagent 3 INTs ....lost the game
This week 0 Ints....won the game
@@snotnosewilly99don’t you know? Bears fans will complain no matter what
@@johnnychimpo7539don’t YOU know, bears fans will excuse anything the backup QB does. Never fails
Bagent missed seeing wide open receivers on virtually every passing play, and he telegraphs where he is throwing - often making up his mind before the ball is snapped.
Replace Bagent with Fields and tell me where the lie is
I know he looks almost as bad as year 1 and 2 Justin Fields
DJ Moore and Mooney had dropped balls that night.
@@johnnychimpo7539FIELDS is a bust and would have been down three scores with him starting, because he can't move the chains and read defenses. We have seen enough of him in 2 and a half years.
@@the1magageneral323shut up. Your hate is showing.
This guy is awesome, I can’t wait until he does Bryce Young. I’m curious to know how much is on him, and the lack of cast around him. I’m sure it’s both.
did. patreon
Where is the CJ Stroud analysis?
He cashed in on that one. Patron
he cashes in a lot over there
The idea that #2 is somehow justified or seen as "rightfully" acting out by turning into a little pouting princess essentially every other play is quite frankly absurd.
I was shocked when the usually on point JT said #2 was "rightfully acting this way" as that BS body language after every other play seems like it should all be at the latest left in high school as a person really should have learned to..... oh IDK..... control their emotions a bit better.
Obviously, these guys are uber competitive so an occasional slip up is entirely understandable but acting like an overgrown child whose Mommy won't buy him a candy bar in the checkout lane 15x in a single game is outright laughable. Additionally, it is obviously not going to help an already overwhelmed rookie when their best WR is showing them up in a primetime game time and again. Keep in mind this was/is a very developmental rookie QB who was playing against D2 defenses this time last year and was not supposed to see the field for at least a season or two.
Give Bagent a few years and he'll be a good backup QB
hes already better than fields. so guess JF1 needs a few years to maybe be a good backup QB also.
I always love your breakdowns of the various QB’s in the league. I am a long time Bears fan and I can honestly say that once again, Fields and Bagent will go nowhere with this team. They both have been coached their whole lives, but when you get to the NFL level, coaching these young QB’s needs to be at the highest level. This organization has nothing to offer these guys. The routes are way to confusing for them. They need simple backyard football plays designed to get the ball out quick and accurate. I get you need to air it out to keep the defense honest, but the confusion of these plays on tape is mind blowing. The offensive line is really confused at times as well. I love watching your videos, but obviously hate them as well. It’s amazing how you see guys open on tape all the time, but ultimately it’s the QB that needs too see it in real time.
TYSON BAGENT has the best SACK % in NFL, over 67% completion %. 2 games with 0 picks. 2-2 as a starter. JF1 is 2-16 in his last 18
Funny how good Tyson makes the line loot... he is at the top of sack% while Fields is at the very bottom @
13 was open on that Mooney go route also. If he doesn't throw to 2, who was open, if he looks to the right 13 was streaking for a WIDE OPEN TD!!! So many missed opportunities in this game.
13 is fast but he can’t catch, that’s why he doesn’t get any targets.
“Justin Fields can learn a lot from this guy” 😂 I love Bagent but this snarky comment of mine is directed to the commentators I’ve had to hear the past couple weeks….. *cough* Collinsworth
29:05- "Not a never in history ball" 😯😏🤣😆.
Be well and be at peace.
I what to see C.J tape 😊 against the bucks thank you Mr Lovato
24:28 So I’m confused. We are trashing him for throwing to the WIDE WIDE open at 5 yds on 3rd and 7 instead of throwing to the open guy at 9 yds????
I’m really confused.
not surprised
@@TheQBSchool You’re legit trashing him for throwing to a guy uncovered with no one within 10 yds of him. Who then easily picked up the 1st down. Again, this is a rookie starting his 4th game. Seems odd to go so hard on that play. I get you love Fields and I do to but sounds a little like a hit piece
@@dimitrythomas4158he sees football at a higher level than you do dawg, stick to getting drunk and yelling at the TV
More Josh Dobbs please!!! 💛💜
After listening to you in the Bears/Saints game I thought you were done covering Bagent 😄you sounds tired.
Rewatching makes me say "Damn I am glad that Getsy is gone!" Players play the game but when so many players are making mistakes constantly it is the coaching not preparing them.
Yo where is the CJ Stroud video from the Bucs game!!!!!!!!!
It’s on his Patreon… really wish he would post it here eventually as I’m in debt and that’s only going to increase over the next few years. But who knows if I’ll ever get to see it.
This video makes us all appreciate JF1 - Wins are not a QB stat. JF1 coming back to a fully healthy D and Line literally for the first time in his career. It’s on him now to show it.
I'll be really glad then the "initialsnumber" era of shorthand nicknames is over.
Fields is bad too lmao. Bears are picking a QB high next draft no doubt
Tbh, I disagree, fields and bagnet look very similar, they need to move on
162 yards, 0 sacks, 0 turnovers would be one of Fields' best games of his career lol. Bagent wasn't at his best and still got the W.
@@himan100-u9qhe’s gone they don’t want him fans don’t want him and he doesn’t wanna be there he will be A Falcon next year
when does the cj stroud video come out - sincerely a desperate texans fan
it’s out already on his patreon
@@jeffplayz527 any idea when its out on youtube?
never
@@TheQBSchool I’m capital AAAA anticipating the CJ stroud video for later today
@theqbschool. Are you going to do a vid on bryce young too?
patreon soonish
Man where is the CJ video 😆
patreon. been there since Monday
Dj Moore is already over it…I kinda feel bad for the guy.
yea he prefers a guy who cant read the field, and just forces the ball to him every down like Bustin.
What a tool ! 3rd start in NFL
Bagent's inconsistent play is possibly due to people telling him he has skills that he doesn't possess. Last week they were applauding him for "being mobile" and this week he barely sets his feet on passes where its ideal.
Or maybe its because he is a rookie undrafted D2 player who just a year ago was playing in front of 5000 and now over 60000 and on national television. The vast majority of rookie QB's make mistakes. He is in a learning faze. He's a capable backup that in time with patience and development can be a solid backup in the league for a very long time. But the media and fandom have no patience.
This ^^^^^
Or maybe the Panthers defense is actually decent…8th in total defense and 5th against the pass….Bagent played exactly how he needed to play to get the win instead of giving it to the Panthers.
Facts. Bears online fans live by the media hype. They really have no clue what good Qb play looks like. SMH
@@michaelmccullough5408 that goes directly against the argument where y'all constantly praise his poise. Now, does he have unbelievable poise and can function in this league or is he a D2 low quality cop out that needs poor excuses? I like Bagent as a potential number 2 in this league as well, but you guys are going in circles.
Tyson Bagent is the better QB to read coverages and move the chains than Justin FIELDS. FIELDS gets sacked more in games and makes the OL look weak. Bagent has not been sacked. We win more with Bagent than with Fields. #FJF #TEAMBAGENT #BEARDOWN
facts, people hate bagent because his game is "ugly" sometimes but dont realize all the nuanced things he does that contribute to winning. Like taking zero sacks and usually going on methodically drives, hardly ever going 3 and out which keeps the defense fresher. Fields style of play makes everyone on the team worse, and makes himself look way better than he is to the casual fan because of having sportscenter highlights now and again.
@@TripHop- you and the1magageneral323 deserve the bears qb situation with bs takes like this! you completely ignored this film and reality. I hope the Bears continue to be the poorly run org it has been and keeps this coaching staff and trades Justin to a real team. Agent Bagent is a good young back up that needs proper coaching but Justin is a star with proper coaching.
@@ericthurman1050 F yourself because you are not A true Bears fan who wants to win you are one of those Justin FIELDS fanboys who refuse to acknowledge that FIELDS might be the problem from not reading defense, throwing picks, and or getting sacked every single game. FIELDS has blamed everyone else but himself. The QB who I want drafted is Michigan QB JJ McCarty who is a better pocket passer than Fields. This offense line can be better and if FIELDS read defenses and adjusted the plays better than we wouldn't have been in this situation. One good game against Washington just passing to DJ Moore than any other WR shows a lot. #FJF #TEAMBAGENT #BEARDOWN
@the1magageneral323 you aren't a bears fan either apparently. You refuse to look at reality. Your entire team sucks and has for how long? Thos staff makes everyone worse. Players leave and immediately do better. But Justin fields is the problem? Bagent has regressed,so by your logic of could would should isn't he the problem? Justin set a qb rushing record last year with no wr and during a roster tear down. This year he and Tyson have supposedly looked the same and this video is literally littered with JT saying they have many of the same issues with turn downs bad reads bad drops and no anticipation. You are so dedicated to your narrative that you can't even keep track of your arguments. You can't even remember the video u are commenting on and what you heard in it. Furthermore he also threw for an 80 percent completion percentage against Denver. He us an elite deep ball thrower and has been all his career. Tyson throws tons of pick worth passes and again jt showed it here. And finally who has fields blamed? Please don't say coaches because that would show, yet again you don't know what you are talking about. I listened and watched that entire press conference and he said the word coaching to answer a specific question before elaborating that it was him trying to be a perfectionist. He complimented the coaches and said they were doing their job. But again don't let reality get in the way of your narrative, general.
nah man there are real bears fans out here who understand it. Its just those type of dudes are the loudest. the kid manages a meager 16 points against a 1-7 team but will crucify Justin for putting up 28 against the broncos (who then go on to hold the chiefs to 20pts) Mahomes is having his worst statistical year of his career under our old OC. They dont see those types of correlations@@ericthurman1050