Saying that we should be like the Reformers when it comes to something like church membership is problematic. At that time, the common thinking was the idea of sacralism, where people were baptized as newborns into the church, thus becoming church members, and church membership wasn't just a religious thing, but also a social thing, the church was considered to be everyone in a certain area. That's one reason both Catholics and Reformers persecuted the Anabaptist, the act of re-baptizing was against the social order as well as the religious order. If you want to look into that more, look for a book called "Reformers and Their Stepchildren", it's about the Anabaptist and ways they differed from the Reformers and the results of those differences.
A born again believer is a member of the Body of Jesus. Jesus is Lord and King, so we are either following Him genuinely or not. Membership in a local assembly is not really the issue. Lots of people are members of a church and not really following Jesus. A social or religious club misses it. So follow Jesus for real with an actual ekklesia, five fold ministry leadership team (Ephesians 4) which follows the blueprints from Jesus in the new testament.
Hey, how are you, I missed the youtube Thursday, we teach Acts ch2:38, and baptism in Jesus name, so we ask people not force them, to be baptized in his name, we do believe Father, son, holyghost but through the name of Jesus, and calling on his name is according to scripture, it was his blood that was shed so I'm not understanding the big disagreement about been baptized in his name., And the father, son, and holyghost are titles, I would love for you to talk about this, also it says in Acts 4:10-12, salvation in no other name that you can be saved.
@@chocolateeater6131 I really appreciate your different view on this story and I know this is off-topic, but I really like your name, chocolate eater, unique!
@@randylucero4454 With respect to church membership, as a matter of logic, church discipline is more or less impotent unless those imposing the discipline are members as well as the errant believer. That is one example, moreover Calvary Chapels' follow something called the "Moses Model" of church government, which is not the New Testament model.
@@christopherskipp1525It isn’t the model that’s most important. What’s more important is exercising love and transparent accountability unlike what happened to Eileen Gray as reported by an investigative elder (Cho as then was) from and at Grace Community Church. It is both scary and sad that even such a biblically sound church can get things so wrong, isn’t it? I have prayed that JM will simply & humbly just apologise directly to the mother of the child raped by the father, a member of church staff then. We are called to do justice where genuine mistakes/sins have happened after all. Accountability, on the part of the elders is by far, more important than the leadership model at Cavalry or elsewhere.
@randylucero4454 The first section of the text, which comes to mind, is the book of acts. If you recall, the Greek speaking widows were complaining about the daily distribution of food and said the Hebrew speaking widows were, paraphrasing, getting all the food. The first thing the Apostles did was to up a board of believing men to supervise the food distribution, i.e., deacons. As I said previously, C.C.s, follow something called the Moses Model, that is to say, the pastor runs everything. This does not comport with the New Testament.
@wemuk5170 Calvery Chapels do not have elders, as they do not follow the New Testament prescribed model of church government. That is a problem and heretical. I know some great and godly Calvery Chapel folks, however, their Moses Model of church government remains unbiblical.
Love and praying for you and your family and calvary church.
Thank you, West! Blessings to you.
Saying that we should be like the Reformers when it comes to something like church membership is problematic. At that time, the common thinking was the idea of sacralism, where people were baptized as newborns into the church, thus becoming church members, and church membership wasn't just a religious thing, but also a social thing, the church was considered to be everyone in a certain area. That's one reason both Catholics and Reformers persecuted the Anabaptist, the act of re-baptizing was against the social order as well as the religious order. If you want to look into that more, look for a book called "Reformers and Their Stepchildren", it's about the Anabaptist and ways they differed from the Reformers and the results of those differences.
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May I ask what you think of Unitarian teaching.
Heretical.
It's a heresy
A born again believer is a member of the Body of Jesus. Jesus is Lord and King, so we are either following Him genuinely or not.
Membership in a local assembly is not really the issue. Lots of people are members of a church and not really following Jesus. A social or religious club misses it.
So follow Jesus for real with an actual ekklesia, five fold ministry leadership team (Ephesians 4) which follows the blueprints from Jesus in the new testament.
Yes, I think a formal membership can distract from true membership of the heart. It's a waste of time, ink, and paper. IMHO. :)
Membership is important.
My membership in Jesus' Bride is recorded in Heaven.
Hey, how are you, I missed the youtube Thursday, we teach Acts ch2:38, and baptism in Jesus name, so we ask people not force them, to be baptized in his name, we do believe Father, son, holyghost but through the name of Jesus, and calling on his name is according to scripture, it was his blood that was shed so I'm not understanding the big disagreement about been baptized in his name., And the father, son, and holyghost are titles, I would love for you to talk about this, also it says in Acts 4:10-12, salvation in no other name that you can be saved.
Pastor David, how old do you think Elihu Was from Job? He's really getting on my nerves! LOL
Anthony, Job 32:4 implies that Elihu was younger than Job and Job's other friends... I agree - I find him to be really annoying!
@@DavidGuzikEnduringWord yes, I'm annoyed just reading his holier-than-thou junk!
@@chocolateeater6131 I really appreciate your different view on this story and I know this is off-topic, but I really like your name, chocolate eater, unique!
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2.0. Sounds wrong and not a church I would attend.
Yes, it is Biblical. Calvary Chapels drop the ball on this issue as well as other ones. But, Calvary Chapels' heresies are not huge, but still there.
Christopher Skipp, can you please share the NT scriptures that support your answer? I'm very interested in those.
@@randylucero4454 With respect to church membership, as a matter of logic, church discipline is more or less impotent unless those imposing the discipline are members as well as the errant believer. That is one example, moreover Calvary Chapels' follow something called the "Moses Model" of church government, which is not the New Testament model.
@@christopherskipp1525It isn’t the model that’s most important. What’s more important is exercising love and transparent accountability unlike what happened to Eileen Gray as reported by an investigative elder (Cho as then was) from and at Grace Community Church. It is both scary and sad that even such a biblically sound church can get things so wrong, isn’t it? I have prayed that JM will simply & humbly just apologise directly to the mother of the child raped by the father, a member of church staff then. We are called to do justice where genuine mistakes/sins have happened after all.
Accountability, on the part of the elders is by far, more important than the leadership model at Cavalry or elsewhere.
@randylucero4454 The first section of the text, which comes to mind, is the book of acts. If you recall, the Greek speaking widows were complaining about the daily distribution of food and said the Hebrew speaking widows were, paraphrasing, getting all the food. The first thing the Apostles did was to up a board of believing men to supervise the food distribution, i.e., deacons. As I said previously, C.C.s, follow something called the Moses Model, that is to say, the pastor runs everything. This does not comport with the New Testament.
@wemuk5170 Calvery Chapels do not have elders, as they do not follow the New Testament prescribed model of church government. That is a problem and heretical. I know some great and godly Calvery Chapel folks, however, their Moses Model of church government remains unbiblical.
This guy is deceived
who?