WTF is American cheese?

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  • Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
  • Why do some cheeses melt into ooey gooey deliciousness, while others end up a clumpy mess (and WTF is going on with American cheese)?
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    -Kapoor R, Metzger LE, Biswas AC, Muthukummarappan K (2007). Effect of Natural Cheese Characteristics on Process Cheese Properties. Journal of Dairy Science, 90(4), 1625-1634. doi.org/10.316...
    -Pastorino J, Hansen CL, McMahon DJ (2003). Effect of Sodium Citrate on Structure-Function Relationships of Cheddar Cheese. Journal of Dairy Science 86 (10): 3113 - 3121. doi.org/10.316...
    -Sözeri AD, Huppertz T. (2023) Melting of natural cheese: A review. InternationaI Dairy Journal 142, 105648. doi.org/10.101...
    -Templeton HL, Sommer HH. Some observations on processed cheese. Journal of Dairy Science 1930; 13:203-220. doi.org/10.316...
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 542

  • @EnderLord99
    @EnderLord99 18 днів тому +865

    Wait, *that*'s the formula of the melting salt?
    "NaCHO cheese" fits in more ways than I expected, then.

    • @danriddick914
      @danriddick914 18 днів тому +65

      Haha I had to look up if there was a "real" relationship between nachos and the chemical makeup... Turns out no - it's completely a coincidence. The word nacho comes from the guy who "invented" nachos - Ignacio "Nacho" Anaya. 😂

    • @Hailfire08
      @Hailfire08 18 днів тому +46

      Most organic sodium salts can be written NaCHO with little numbers under each element. Sodium citrate isn't special there.

    • @danriddick914
      @danriddick914 18 днів тому +6

      @@Hailfire08 interesting! I had no idea!

    • @davidtitanium22
      @davidtitanium22 18 днів тому +18

      hehe chemistry joke
      but yeah lots of organic compounds are just various combinations of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, so CHO can be used to denote the composition, but for most functional purposes the carbon structure is more important than the composition so it's usually written differently

    • @MrNicePotato
      @MrNicePotato 13 днів тому +5

      @@danriddick914 That's simply because C,H,O are the essential elements in any carbohydrate. C=carbo(n), H2O=hydrate(water). So it's a nice coincidence any organic salt would end in xCxHxO, with x's stating the number of atoms in each molecule.

  • @starRushi
    @starRushi 18 днів тому +396

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      @MinuteFood  18 днів тому +69

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      @starRushi 18 днів тому +28

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      @mirrikybird 18 днів тому +4

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    • @prosamis
      @prosamis 18 днів тому +6

      Engineer here. She absolutely made me way more interested in food as both an art and a science

  • @Jensettiman
    @Jensettiman 18 днів тому +171

    And for those who may be opposed to buying sodium citrate because it's a "scary chemical powder", you can make a liquefied version of it by mixing citrus juice and baking soda

    • @pufthemajicdragon
      @pufthemajicdragon 17 днів тому +72

      IMO anybody freaking out over "scary chemical powder" should probably stay out of the kitchen 😆

    • @bosstowndynamics5488
      @bosstowndynamics5488 17 днів тому +27

      And just to expand this, sodium citrate is literally just citric acid that's been neutralised with sodium bicarbonate, all of which are super common in food (and, particularly the latter, in your own body)

    • @polarknight5376
      @polarknight5376 16 днів тому +10

      ​​@@pufthemajicdragonit's just as processed and chemically as white sugar, cream of tartar, and baking soda.

    • @DaxCyro
      @DaxCyro 16 днів тому +6

      @@pufthemajicdragon You misspelled chemistry lab. That's what a good aand wellstocked kitchen is :)

    • @polarknight5376
      @polarknight5376 16 днів тому +7

      @@DaxCyro Chemistry is easier than cooking, because with chemistry if you follow procedure and something still goes wrong, you can simply blame the creator of the procedure or the chemicals for not being pure enough. With cooking you have no one to blame but yourself.

  • @hcn6708
    @hcn6708 18 днів тому +164

    You also don't need to buy sodium citrate as a product! You can make it (if you're ok with the lime or lemon flavor) using lemon/lime juice and sodium bicarbonate (make sure to stop when the bubbling stops)

    • @asdfrozen
      @asdfrozen 18 днів тому +5

      You can also use alka-seltzer

    • @ku8721
      @ku8721 18 днів тому +9

      Came down to say the same thing! Also you could make a béchamel sauce and add cheese to that probably a richer sauce but worth it as long as you don't break it

    • @benjamingeiger
      @benjamingeiger 18 днів тому +6

      You can also use powdered citric acid instead of lemon or lime juice. Just mix the two with just enough water to dissolve them. Note that it's an endothermic reaction, so you'll need to either wait a couple of minutes for the reaction to absorb enough heat from the air to finish or add a little bit of heat yourself.

    • @Ryan-bj2vl
      @Ryan-bj2vl 18 днів тому +6

      I feel like I'm in bizarro world rn. I've been arguing for years that you can make your own cheese using this method and it's been like talking to a brick wall.

    • @hanifarroisimukhlis5989
      @hanifarroisimukhlis5989 18 днів тому +1

      With citric acid is cheap enough, why bother with lemon? If you're feeling chemist, use lye instead (make sure it's stoichiometric though).

  • @zyzamo
    @zyzamo 18 днів тому +1012

    To me the most offensive thing about american cheese is the way it's packed in singles. Can we please not waste so much plastic?

    • @disjustice
      @disjustice 18 днів тому +134

      You can get it from the deli counter in most stores. It will usually be better quality, and taste more like real cheddar too, even from the same brand. Get the sliced on demand, not pre-sliced.

    • @imadork123
      @imadork123 18 днів тому +72

      @@disjustice Only downside is that you have to keep it cooled or they will kind of stick together and be difficult to grab as individual slices later.

    • @RodolfoHermans
      @RodolfoHermans 18 днів тому +51

      The second most offensive, after the fact that it tastes poorly, as most industrial food.

    • @tinyderppotato5410
      @tinyderppotato5410 18 днів тому +28

      @@imadork123 just buy a block of cheese and a cheese slicer, do the slicing yourself when you need it, keeps the cheese fresh

    • @radfordmcawesome7947
      @radfordmcawesome7947 18 днів тому +9

      @@imadork123 kraft deli slices somehow are easy to separate even after warming up, but as the other commenter said, we could just slice on-demand

  • @babilon6097
    @babilon6097 19 днів тому +174

    Cheese... I grated my teeth for this pun at the end.

  • @IzzyCraft
    @IzzyCraft 18 днів тому +45

    It should also note that kraft's basic american singles is a loose term like "cheese product" because they cut it with whey to save money. Where the kraft Deli Deluxe american is a "pasteurized process cheese" the more regulated term and what kraft was selling pre 00's.

  • @locomotivefaox
    @locomotivefaox 18 днів тому +97

    I know WAY too much about melting cheese going into this video. The perfect grilled cheese is knowledge many died to attain.
    Okay so if you're on a budget you, you can actually mix baking soda with lemon juice in a pan, making adhock sodium citrate solution for your cheese melting needs! You could evaporate this to get the powder seen in the video, but I've used it for macaraoni sauces and nacho dips just as is.
    (edited after ben's reply, thanks ben!)

    • @missnaomi613
      @missnaomi613 18 днів тому +1

      Thank you!

    • @benjamingeiger
      @benjamingeiger 18 днів тому +13

      You don't even need to heat the baking soda. Just mix the baking soda and citrus juice and wait a few minutes (it's an endothermic reaction, so it's got to pull enough heat from the air to work, or you can gently warm the mixture). Also, if the flavor of citrus is a problem, you can instead use powdered citric acid and just enough water to dissolve them. You can usually find citric acid in the spice aisle of your local megamart.

    • @locomotivefaox
      @locomotivefaox 18 днів тому

      @@benjamingeiger Ta!

    • @WD35
      @WD35 18 днів тому

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    • @John_Jack
      @John_Jack 17 днів тому

      You can also just buy sodium citrate

  • @Ridnarhtim
    @Ridnarhtim 10 днів тому +9

    Call me crazy, but I care more about how my cheese tastes than how it melts.

  • @cebo494
    @cebo494 18 днів тому +55

    Instead of sodium citrate, you can just mix American and other cheeses. There's enough citrate in the American to melt other cheese too.
    My go to mac uses equal parts American and cheddar by weight. I use the same total weight as the weight of dry pasta, so usually 1lb pasta with 0.5lb each of cheddar and American. Add a bit of milk, sometimes some butter, salt if needed, black pepper, and I sometimes add a touch of garlic powder, and it's delicious. Just make the sauce and dump in the cooked pasta and it's done.

    • @nicojar
      @nicojar 18 днів тому

      Why would I ever mix American cheese with gouda or mozzarella or emmenthal or gruyère? Sounds like a good way to make good cheeses worse. Just leave the American cheese out of the recipe and use other, basic European cheese, and there you go: the taste is wonderful, and you're not coating your arteries with horrors. ;) (and keep your milk, butter and salt away)

    • @KaitouKaiju
      @KaitouKaiju 18 днів тому +14

      ​@@nicojarto melt it duh pay attention

    • @cebo494
      @cebo494 18 днів тому +5

      @@nicojar Most people can buy american cheese at a grocery store. Few grocery stores sell sodium citrate, even if it's available online. You can get away with using very little american cheese if you just want to melt another cheese, probably something like 1:5 or maybe even 1:10. You wouldn't even be able to taste the american at that point.
      I just happen to know from experimentation that I like the taste of 50/50 american and cheddar for mac-n-cheese. I've tried it with more or less cheddar and didn't like it as much; it just doesn't taste like a "proper" american mac-n-cheese when you use too much of another cheese, but it tastes a bit too bland for my taste without enough of it. But not everyone wants an "authentic american" version of mac-n-cheese, so they can do whatever they want. The beauty of mac-n-cheese is in it's customizeability.

    • @sheep4483
      @sheep4483 17 днів тому +6

      @@nicojar a lot of block and slice cheeses you find in grocery stores (at least in the US) like gouda, gruyere, meunster, are actually basically just american cheese with different flavors, for that matter, american cheese is basically just normal cheese that's been melted with sodium citrate and a bit of liquid (milk/water), it's really not that weird, scarcely different from normal cheese, the taste is another matter though

    • @bobrong9645
      @bobrong9645 15 днів тому +3

      @@nicojar
      I adore cheese, but let's be honest here: if you don't want your arteries to be "coated with horrors", cheese is not the food item for you.

  • @user-pc3nc3hg6w
    @user-pc3nc3hg6w 18 днів тому +14

    Aged hard cheese taste the best both in solid and melted form!

  • @TizonaAmanthia
    @TizonaAmanthia 16 днів тому +12

    yup. the sodium citrate "hack" is something Adam Ragusea turned me on to a couple years ago.

  • @ankokuraven
    @ankokuraven 18 днів тому +55

    I think the important distinction people miss is it is not fake cheese its MADE of cheese.
    It is real cheese
    It's just real cheese and a little bit more

    • @BunjiKugashira42
      @BunjiKugashira42 17 днів тому +14

      It is often made of as little real cheese as possible while adding as much oil and water as possible. Because oil and water are cheaper than cheese. The iconic colour comes froom food dies. The "little bit more" often makes up half of the ingredients by weight.

    • @polarknight5376
      @polarknight5376 16 днів тому +2

      ​@@BunjiKugashira42that's Kraft singles, Velveeta, and generic brands trying to copy them, and are legally not American cheese.

    • @alexphelps7042
      @alexphelps7042 16 днів тому +3

      Depending on how close you live to cows milk might be cheaper than oil. In America dairy production is very heavily subsidized, they actually have price fixing laws about milk so the market never collapses from oversupply. Milk protein products can sometimes be found for the same or lower price as flour, because their processed not technically milk anymore they don’t fall under the price fixing laws. It’s funny the lengths the govt will go for people who aren’t average, like socialism but only for industrialists.

  • @inf0phreak
    @inf0phreak 18 днів тому +72

    FYI "The Laughing Cow" is actually French, to this day in Europe it goes by the name "La vache qui rit" or "LVQR".

    • @Ludix147
      @Ludix147 18 днів тому +8

      There's also a variant brand that goes by "kiri"

    • @hundvd_7
      @hundvd_7 18 днів тому +1

      > it goes by the name "La vache qui rit"
      It actually depends on the place and time.
      10 years ago, its name was mostly translated. Nowadays, most countries use the French name,
      And in some of them, both versions exist side-by-side.

    • @escape209
      @escape209 18 днів тому +3

      In the UK it's The Laughing Cow

    • @ArcadiGarciaRius
      @ArcadiGarciaRius 18 днів тому +3

      In Spain it's "La Vaca que Ríe"!

    • @cameroneridan4558
      @cameroneridan4558 17 днів тому

      It most certainly is *_Die Lachende Kuh_* in Germany and *_Krówka Śmieszka_* in Poland

  • @BobSmith-tm2kj
    @BobSmith-tm2kj 18 днів тому +21

    My only issue with american cheese is more with kraft. WAY too much plastic waste (if you buy it in other brands or from the deli counter its more often packaged with paper separating it which is a lot better for the environment.)

    • @BlumpkinSpiceLatte
      @BlumpkinSpiceLatte 18 днів тому +7

      I am consistantly amazed at how many people only think of American cheese as the Kraft garbage, as if they can't go to the deli counter and get american that tastes 10x better and doesn't waste all that plastic.
      Also the whole thing with American cheese not being "real" cheese is just like how basically any sandwich bread is "enriched" bread (per FDA standards) because it has more than the 4 ingredients of four, salt, yeast, and water. Even adding eggs to bread means it's not "bread", it's "enriched bread". Does that make sandwich bread from the store any more real bread than american cheese is cheese? Utter nonsense 🤦🏻‍♂️
      Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

    • @the.duck.is.ronin.
      @the.duck.is.ronin. 16 днів тому +3

      As a non-American who doesn't have Kraft in their country, I never got the hate for American cheese for this reason

    • @aolson1111
      @aolson1111 День тому +2

      If you get Kraft Deli Deluxe, it doesn't have the plastic and it tastes way better.

  • @firstcynic92
    @firstcynic92 18 днів тому +88

    "...when you try to melt hard or aged cheese you often end up with a chewy mass of proteins sitting in a mess of oil."
    You say that as if its a bad thing.

    • @rivi7197
      @rivi7197 18 днів тому +25

      Yep, That's the perfect consistency to dip some baguette or ciabatta in, on a cold winter evening for starter to dinner. Plus herbs and spices. In fact, I'd often add some olive oil to get more of that oilyness. I found the part of the video with that in the pan looked much more appetizing than the yellow-orange goo.

    • @firstcynic92
      @firstcynic92 18 днів тому +12

      @@rivi7197 Or you can let the rest caramelize and solidify, and crunch into it when cooled.

    • @rivi7197
      @rivi7197 18 днів тому

      @@firstcynic92 Provoleta al la chilena: ua-cam.com/video/1p6sjNt_GeE/v-deo.html

    • @freeman10000
      @freeman10000 18 днів тому +5

      It sounds (and tastes) awesome.

    • @eliotoole4534
      @eliotoole4534 18 днів тому +3

      Yeah I love extra sharp cheddar quesadillas!
      Edit: And the caramelized cheese bits are awesome!

  • @fabriciomanuel8775
    @fabriciomanuel8775 18 днів тому +5

    Oh wow I wasn’t expecting this to be so fascinating, and something that I’ll probably end up applying in the kitchen.

  • @iafozzac
    @iafozzac 18 днів тому +33

    Another way to make cheese creamy is starch, used in pasta dishes like cacio e pepe and carbonara, where the starchy water is used to melt the aged cheese and, starch being an emulsifier, it keeps fats, water, and proteins all nice and suspended together

    • @mangomongomognomagno
      @mangomongomognomagno 18 днів тому +2

      Exactly, this is the best way to obtain a creamy cheese sauce without using extra fats or crappy ingredients like American "cheese"

    • @DDRWakaLaka
      @DDRWakaLaka 17 днів тому +7

      ​@@mangomongomognomagnobe less pretentious

    • @mangomongomognomagno
      @mangomongomognomagno 17 днів тому +2

      @@GabrielButnaru yes, pasta water is used to make cacio e pepe creamy, but it isn't used for carbonara. Pouring the beaten eggs and grated pecorino in a bowl with the hot pasta is enough to cook them and you obtain the perfect consistency

    • @DDRWakaLaka
      @DDRWakaLaka 17 днів тому

      @@GabrielButnaru I'm adding cream to my carbonara and I hope your nonna is rolling in her grave.
      Be
      Less
      Pretentious

    • @bosstowndynamics5488
      @bosstowndynamics5488 17 днів тому +3

      Starch is a thickener but not, strictly speaking, an emulsifier. It's just that starch thickened sauces take ages to settle out so it works OK if you serve it there and then. As explained in the video though, it's really not that big of a deal to use American cheese since it's just cheese and sodium citrate (aka neutralised citric acid).

  • @pepperonijabroni5353
    @pepperonijabroni5353 18 днів тому +3

    I love your super helpful description boxes

  • @NickShvelidze
    @NickShvelidze 17 днів тому +8

    Mmmm, 64 slices of American cheese

  • @bloodspatteredguitar
    @bloodspatteredguitar 18 днів тому +41

    Um, breaking down into a gooey mass in a pool of oil is perfect for cheese on toast and other meals. The oil goes into the toast and the gooey mass is lovely. I therefore refuse the appellation "bad melter".

  • @dinar4331
    @dinar4331 18 днів тому +63

    The whole american cheese isn't cheese thing always grates me. It's like someone saying meatloaf isn't ground meat, which is true but nobody would say it's illegitimate because ground beef + some other ingredients isn't "fake" meat. American cheese is real cheese with some milk and melting salts!

    • @DasGanon
      @DasGanon 18 днів тому +9

      To argue this one a bit, it's also the basis of why Taco Bell can't call it's meat, meat since they're replacing half of it with grain because it's cheaper.
      The distinction is important but you've gotta be aware of the context.
      (Like how Ice cream must be made out of dairy which is why many calls themselves "frozen dessert")

    • @fakjbf3129
      @fakjbf3129 18 днів тому +6

      Same here, just mixing Colby and Cheddar plus sodium citrate is a pasteurized process American cheese. Replace up to 49% by weight with other dairy products like cream, buttermilk or whey and that’s pasteurized process American cheese food, and I still think that counts as cheese because it’s still almost purely dairy. It’s only when you get to stuff like Kraft singles that use concentrated milk protein powder where there’s a decent argument that it’s no longer cheese.

    • @five-toedslothbear4051
      @five-toedslothbear4051 18 днів тому +2

      When you get into the better American cheeses, you get something more like cheese. Kraft Deli Deluxe White American is a "Pasteurized process American cheese with added calcium" but the Singles are "Pasteurized prepared cheese product". I would call the Deli Deluxe actual cheese, and prefer it.
      I can't find any examples on the internet, but there are singles you can get that are terribly cheap and I think I've seen the leading ingredient be corn oil. Maybe some milk components thrown in. Run. Fast.

    • @buykuibra2518
      @buykuibra2518 18 днів тому +2

      It's often another way to annoy Americans.

    • @herbertkeithmiller
      @herbertkeithmiller 14 днів тому +1

      Greats me 🎉

  • @dyscotopia
    @dyscotopia 16 днів тому +3

    See Cheese in a title, and immediately click.
    The cheese must flow

  • @FairMiles
    @FairMiles 18 днів тому +3

    I LOVED the chemical curls!!! 🥰

  • @Enden31
    @Enden31 17 днів тому +3

    And the taste of the plastic individual packaging and its microplastic residues is incredible and totally healthy !

    • @polarknight5376
      @polarknight5376 16 днів тому

      There's actually zero evidence on how microplastics affect us, or whether or not they even have any negative effects.

    • @shivorath
      @shivorath 13 годин тому

      Buy it in a block then? No one is making you buy American in singles any more than they are making you buy cheddar, pepper jack, provolone, or any other cheese in singles.

  • @nicojar
    @nicojar 18 днів тому +13

    If you're curious about cheese that melts amazingly, and the dishes that go with them, check out the French Mont d'Or, and the dish "boîte chaude". Melting and browning a boxed authentic cheese with a bit of white wine and tons of flavor (for people afraid of very funky cheeses: this one is actually mild) in an oven for a while and dipping your charcuterie

    • @DeRien8
      @DeRien8 11 днів тому

      Sounds delicious, though as an American, naming a dish "hot box" makes my inner child giggle at the vague fart joke adjacent to a cheese dish

  • @leandervr
    @leandervr 2 дні тому +1

    "American cheese - which was actually developed in Switzerland, and patented by a Canadian entrepeneur..."
    That's the most american thing I've ever heard.

  • @noob19087
    @noob19087 18 днів тому +3

    No need to buy sodium citrate, just mix citric acid with baking soda to make some.

  • @CopenhagenLion
    @CopenhagenLion 18 днів тому +7

    I don't think the Dutch are going to be very happy with the way you pronounce Gouda

    • @Vanders456
      @Vanders456 3 дні тому +1

      Rhymes with "how", not "who"!

    • @MLWJ1993
      @MLWJ1993 2 дні тому

      Meh, they get the pronunciation wrong all the darn time. Probably on us for making it difficult to begin with 😂

  • @CharliMorganMusic
    @CharliMorganMusic 18 днів тому +3

    Sodium citrate is so useful, idk why everyone doesn't have it in their kitchen.

  • @techbasic1115
    @techbasic1115 8 днів тому

    came for the science, stayed for the really cute anthropomorphic graphics. They're so cute! Thank you!

  • @dabundis
    @dabundis 18 днів тому +45

    American may be the gooiest melter, but I prefer a grilled cheese sandwich that's more stretchy than gooey

    • @user-sd9sn7wf3o
      @user-sd9sn7wf3o 18 днів тому

      What is American cheese exactly? Is it all sliced cheese OR all cheese manufactured in USA?

    • @BaeBunni
      @BaeBunni 18 днів тому +10

      @@user-sd9sn7wf3o it's called american cheese because it was invented in america. James Kraft was a canadian but immigrated to the USA. In the video it's mentioned it was to get cheese to last longer. The reason was James Kraft was a door to door cheese salesman. Obviously going door to door for 12 hours with a lot of it during the hottest times during the day would make the cheese go bad quickly. So he invented to cheese so it could be hauled around in the sun without worry. It also gets called american cheese in other places because it's an army ration since ww1 and plenty of americans love trading ration food for fresh stuff which is why a lot of countries love American Cheese and Spam since they kept for a long time and were traded to them by the americans soldiers.

    • @KaitouKaiju
      @KaitouKaiju 18 днів тому

      ​@@user-sd9sn7wf3o There are two cheeses commonly called American cheese
      There's the cheese product like that you find on a McDonald's burger, then there's American cheddar which is...cheddar

    • @ConstantlyDamaged
      @ConstantlyDamaged 18 днів тому

      @@BaeBunni Not sure about other countries, but you can't actually get American cheese here in Australia.
      For a good melting cheese, I stick to Colby.

    • @HeroOfCows
      @HeroOfCows 18 днів тому

      Is it maybe just not labeled as such? I see Kraft singles on Woolworth's online store​@@ConstantlyDamaged

  • @Brighton24601
    @Brighton24601 17 днів тому +2

    As soon as you mentioned adding sodium citrate to other cheeses to make them melty, I was like, is Adam Ragusea’s video in the description? Yes it is. Also I absolutely need one of the NaCHO shirts that Dan from ATK rocks.

    • @seanmalloy7249
      @seanmalloy7249 16 днів тому

      One thing you have to take into consideration if you're using sodium citrate to make an aged or hard cheese melt smoothly for, say, a dip, is that if you don't add enough other liquids to the resulting mix, you have to keep it warm or it will solidify back into a block, not useful at all as a dip.

  • @dream_weaver6207
    @dream_weaver6207 18 днів тому +30

    if American cheese was developed to be shelf stable, why are the slices individually packed?
    As a European, the concept of individually packing cheese slices seems stupid and wasteful to me. Also, imagine wanting to use large quantities of cheese and you have to unpack every single slice. Also your cheese is getting maximum microplastics exposure

    • @birdsdrib
      @birdsdrib 18 днів тому +13

      While it's definitely over packaged I think the reason is all the cheese would melt together otherwise. Now why it needs to be fully wrapped in plastic instead of just interspersed with butcher paper I cannot tell you. Probably just pennies cheaper and companies don't care about anything else.

    • @nicojar
      @nicojar 18 днів тому +6

      It's not always individually packed slices, you can buy a block or a spray or a spread... In Europe, check Norwegian "brunost". Same idea. ;)
      Packed slices are for burgers.

    • @dream_weaver6207
      @dream_weaver6207 18 днів тому +1

      @@nicojar Sure, you can buy cheese in blocks (i consider sprays and spread as something very different), but I've never seen a pack of pre sliced cheese in any American media.
      On the oter hand, I've never seen individually packed cheese slices in any European super market. I haven't spend much time in Norway tho, so brunost could be something that I missed

    • @cassieoz1702
      @cassieoz1702 18 днів тому +2

      ​@dream_weaver6207 when I was a kid, the slices were a little firmer and not individually wrapped. It's now much softer and sticks to itself, hence the extra plastic

    • @floydmaseda
      @floydmaseda 18 днів тому +2

      If they're individually packed, they're more shelf stable. You can open one slice without exposing all the others to the elements, thus allowing the other slices to stay fresh longer.

  • @Fredjikrang
    @Fredjikrang 18 днів тому +1

    Cool video! I’m a little sad you didn’t talk about the young cheeses that don’t melt at all, like paneer, but it’s not a big deal!

  • @scaredyfish
    @scaredyfish 18 днів тому +2

    Sorry, but that chewy mass of protein sitting in a mess of oil looks delicious.

  • @ManlyKirby
    @ManlyKirby 14 днів тому +5

    when i was young i always tought cheese was bad because i only ate those cheeses that come in slices, but when i ate those cheeses that come in cubes along with some ham i was shocked at how good cheese was

  • @michaelmcchesney6645
    @michaelmcchesney6645 13 днів тому

    I used to work for a small chain of pizza places that focused on delivery. Since we wanted people to get their pizza as fast as possible, we cooked the pizzas at very hot temperatures. We actually used conveyor ovens. We used a mixture of hard cheddar and mozzarella cheese, about 2 parts mozzarella to 1 part cheddar. I had thought we did that because of the taste, and we did. But one day, a cheese salesman was trying to get us to switch mozzarella brands. I ground up some of the new brand and made a pizza with it. However, when it came out of the oven, the cheese was burnt. The owner said, "Oh, that's just because we didn't add any cheddar. The cheddar raises the browning temperature so we can cook the pizzas at a higher temperature." That's another way of saying that the hard cheddar requires more heat to loosen its grip on its fats and moisture.

  • @basilefff
    @basilefff 18 днів тому

    Was thinking about this the other day, thanks for answering all my cooking questions!

  • @timb7085
    @timb7085 18 днів тому

    As always - Love the very informative and educational video - all presented in a fun way - I keep learning things - big thanks for the great video!

  • @Davethreshold
    @Davethreshold 17 днів тому +1

    PLEASE PEOPLE: Don't buy the packaged American. Buy Dietz and Watson deli! It tastes four times as good! It is deli-only cheese. I did an experiment, which was buying four different types of deli cheese and simply tasting them alone. Dietz was CLEARLY a cut above the rest!

  • @WidescreenJohn
    @WidescreenJohn 14 днів тому

    One other thing that people need to consider as well with respect to texture and flavor is comparing American cheese slices versus having it cut straight off the loaf at the deli. There is a *very* distinct difference between the two. The cheese slices that you would get from Kraft or whomever tends to be very plastic-y in both taste and texture. But getting American cheese directly off the loaf at the deli tends to be more flavorful and smoother. We actually buy entire 5-pound bricks and shred it for pizza instead of mozarella.

  • @Kemulnitestryker
    @Kemulnitestryker 18 днів тому +2

    Muenster cheese makes for a better melt in a grilled cheese than American cheese.

  • @kooooons
    @kooooons 18 днів тому +7

    As i'm needlessly pedantic, I'd like to point out that gouda isn't french, it's dutch. So the "OU" in gouda is not pronounced like "oo" (as the French would do). Gouda rhymes with Louder. but also the dutch pronounce the G like the scotch pronounce the "ch" in "Loch ness".

  • @Rolerus
    @Rolerus 3 дні тому

    Liked your nice way of presenting the knowledge around this cheese. Especially the part with the Sodium Nitrate.
    Here just a side information. In german they are called "Scheibletten" and in italian "Sottilette".
    By the way for me (german/italian speaker) it sounds funny how you pronounce Gouda. With no "o" sound. But nevermind. The Dutch they pronounce the "G" simliar to an "Hr". Even difficult to explain.
    Greetings

  • @ryukisai99
    @ryukisai99 5 днів тому

    As a french and a cheese junkie i have to confirm that i do not see this as cheese.
    But more importantly, if you're happy with it, I'm 100% fine with it.

  • @RHaenJarr
    @RHaenJarr 10 днів тому

    As a person who cooks with cheese a lot, I feel like I've just leveled up from watching this

  • @deetlebee
    @deetlebee 18 днів тому +7

    I love my Sodium Citrate. Not only mac n cheese and nacho cheese, but "Bread Soup" are easy peasy with it. Just make a very loose version of the cheese sauce with broth, then toss in all of your old-but-not-moldy bread. Classic 1700s recipe made easier thanks to modern science!

  • @gowzahr
    @gowzahr 10 днів тому

    "[American cheese is] the undisputed champion of ooey gooey goodness"
    Ooey, check
    Gooey, check
    Goodness? Not even close.

  • @manualdidact
    @manualdidact 18 днів тому +6

    "Better" is pretty subjective. I really prefer a grilled cheese with cheddar -- I think the oil separating a bit and soaking into the bread is a plus. Melted cheddar might not look appetizing sitting in a pan, but that's not where I want to be eating it from anyway.

  • @theninja4137
    @theninja4137 18 днів тому +2

    The US pronounciation of Gouda kills me (as someone who worked near the Dutch city of Gouda [How-duh] for some time)

  • @werothegreat
    @werothegreat 8 днів тому

    While we're being pedants, my pet peeve is not "American cheese isn't really cheese", but "Kraft singles aren't American cheese". When you go to a deli and ask for "American cheese", you are getting something chemically different from what you find in Kraft singles. Actual "American cheese" is about halfway between "real cheese" and Kraft singles.

  • @FireFox64000000
    @FireFox64000000 16 днів тому +5

    So, what you're saying is that American cheese is not a cheese in the same fashion that a tomato is not a vegetable.

  • @MemphiStig
    @MemphiStig 13 днів тому

    Reminds me of the old slogan the cheese-makers used in their ads:
    "Never underestimate the power of pasteurized process cheese food"
    Or something like that. I still like it okay, but by far I prefer deli style American to singles. Or any sliced proper cheese, even if it doesn't melt. But I'll buy a liquid sauce now and then, because I suck at making my own.

  • @MathewSan_
    @MathewSan_ 17 днів тому +1

    Great video 👍

  • @KittilyKat
    @KittilyKat 16 днів тому +1

    Why is american cheese regarded as unhealthy, one slice of it has about 4/1 of your calcium and 1/4 the calories of regular cheese by mass.

  • @0ZeldaFreak
    @0ZeldaFreak 18 днів тому

    It really depends on what you make. For sauces or so, I use melting cheese (in Germany we call it that way) that is a paste. For bread or burgers, I stopped using them and used regular cheese. I like my cheese with more flavor and for applications where you can control the heat or time, its perfect. You won't get a very liquid cheese but its soft and warm, what makes some cheese taste better. But you don't need the flavor. Here we make a cheese leek soup. The soup base is water, melting cheese and crème fraîche, to basically water, fat and protein. There is also some vegetable broth as base. It only should taste like a cheese base but not specific to any cheese.

  • @MaheerKibria
    @MaheerKibria День тому

    My problem with the American cheese is not cheese is that all cheeses are processed. That’s what curdling and aging is a way to process milk

  • @stuartaaron613
    @stuartaaron613 17 днів тому

    This video just answered a question which I had for many years. In the Monty Python's Flying Circus "Cheese Shop" sketch, John Cleese asks cheese shop owner Michael Palin if he has any cheese for sale. Cleese proceeds to name virtually every cheese known to man in a vain hope of finding one that the shop actually has for sale. The one cheese that Cleese never asks for is American cheese. Now I have an answer as to why he never asked for it.

  • @nanamikamiya6500
    @nanamikamiya6500 18 днів тому +1

    Cheese is the most delicious emulsion in existence and I will not be eking questions at this time.

  • @herostempus5794
    @herostempus5794 18 днів тому +1

    I love using sodium citrate to make mac and cheese. However I don't keep sodium citrate on hand because it is too
    niche of an ingredient. Instead I keep my pantry stocked with baking soda and citric acid and react them as needed at a ratio of 1 part baking soda to 0.84 parts citric acid.

  • @IOSAGifts
    @IOSAGifts 18 днів тому +1

    MinuteFood, great content bro

  • @stephenoakley9724
    @stephenoakley9724 3 дні тому

    The cheese being stirred in that pan was most definitely a liquid.

  • @phunanon
    @phunanon 2 дні тому

    Stuff like this is why I'm alright calling plant-based cheese "cheese", because if it melts like cheese, and tastes like cheese, as is composed of those things mentioned (protein, moisture, fats, calcium, etc), then it's cheese in my books!

  • @mirrikybird
    @mirrikybird 18 днів тому

    What I love doing for my toasted cheesy sandwiches is to mix mozzarella for meltyness with finely grated parmesan for flavour to get the best of both worlds.

  • @SirSpamaIot
    @SirSpamaIot 13 днів тому

    Nice. I got a ton of sodium citrate to descale my kettle and coffee machine; now I can use it to make my cheese melty as well!

  • @maxmonkegamer5057
    @maxmonkegamer5057 15 днів тому

    Adam Ragusea also made a great video about making processed cheese like effect with other cheeses with sodium citrate

  • @dkaloger5720
    @dkaloger5720 18 днів тому

    Feta cheese melts remarkably well(try microwaving it or adding chunks to a hot tomato based sauce ). It’s not exactly melting but more of a softening and change in flavor and unlike cold feta It pairs well with sweet flavors . Feta is a very fatty and moisture rich cheese and minimally aged so considering the chemistry in the video it makes sense .

  • @imhangryyall
    @imhangryyall 17 днів тому

    Adding a couple of slices of American cheese to any cheese mixture has enough emulsifiers to make a sauce out of any cheese mixture.

  • @crimsonraen
    @crimsonraen 5 днів тому

    Huh, interesting! Thanks for the video! :)

  • @coreyschwanz9316
    @coreyschwanz9316 17 днів тому +3

    Saying "american cheese isn't cheese" is like saying "sausage isn't meat" because it has other things added to it, aka salt, to bind the proteins. Like all things there are high quality and low quality versions. I understand the FDA-distinction of identifying ingredients and labeling differently (which I wish they would do more of TBH) but refusing it because of the "process"/"processed" definition is silly.

  • @altair3545
    @altair3545 18 днів тому

    *grate* ful for is so smooth it almost didn't register as a pun

  •  17 днів тому

    Loved it!

  • @tilmanreiss
    @tilmanreiss 7 днів тому

    Might not be meaningful in the kitchen, but health-wise it’s pretty important. What exactly are those other fats added? It’s probably plant oils with very different properties and health implications than animal fats.

  • @polythewicked
    @polythewicked 18 днів тому +1

    And super easy to make at home with just grated cheese, milk, and sodium citrate. Add more milk and … wait, you just covered that. Damn it.

  • @disjustice
    @disjustice 18 днів тому

    If you don't have any sodium citrate lying around, you can also just throw a slice or two of American cheese into a cheese sauce. It's so bland it won't really affect the flavor, and there is more than enough spare emulsifying agents in the slice to smooth out your more stubborn but more flavorful cheeses.

  • @jasper265
    @jasper265 16 днів тому

    I was taken aback by the mention of "Laughing Cow". That's "la vache qui rit" to me, and I'm not from a place where people speak French. But I guess Americans speak even less French...

  • @SmartyPoohBear
    @SmartyPoohBear 18 днів тому

    I was expecting her to go into detail on melted grated hard cheeses vs ungrated. Cause melted a layer of grated parm on a pan is amazing.

  • @CameraMan-it4qz
    @CameraMan-it4qz 18 днів тому +1

    This reminds me of the Adam reguesea series “WTF is”.

  • @ryhol5417
    @ryhol5417 День тому

    They aren’t allowed to call it “cheese”. It’s cheese food product. It’s also tasteless compared to even the mildest cheese

  • @robotnikkkk001
    @robotnikkkk001 4 дні тому

    ....THANKS FOR MAKING IT CLEAR WHAT NILERED WAS DOING AT SOME OF HIS VIDS
    ...HEHE

  • @nleanba
    @nleanba 4 дні тому

    Very interesting, however sadly my main take away is the shocking information that la vache qui rit is called "the laughing cow" in the usa - I'm not even french but excusez-moi??
    (Also showing fondue in the end is a bit misleading, fondue is often made with aged cheese and iirc it melts nicely because if the wine put in it which apparently also improves meltiness)

  • @JoonasD6
    @JoonasD6 18 днів тому +1

    3:42 I'm going to have to verify expectations here: what was referenced in "yes, that Kraft"?

    • @Pelusteriano
      @Pelusteriano 18 днів тому +1

      There's a popular American brand of americna cheese slices called "Kraft", they're known as "kraft slices"

  • @bobuilder4444
    @bobuilder4444 18 днів тому +1

    Adam Ragusea made his own sodium citrate with baking soda and lemon juice.

  • @lightningfrog27
    @lightningfrog27 18 днів тому

    you guys have the best puns :)

  • @BanjoGate
    @BanjoGate 18 днів тому

    Punny, dearest. Wake up! I'm on the last paragraph of the script and I forgot to add a single cheese joke into the video. We need to make up for lost time!

  • @YouGenom
    @YouGenom 18 днів тому

    Is it just me? I really like the music and especially, when the story gets deeper there is this cute part. Is it in public domain?

  • @ricky_pigeon
    @ricky_pigeon 11 годин тому +1

    it might be because i use headphones but why is the music so loud?

  • @delvinsano8833
    @delvinsano8833 18 днів тому

    food theory has got some competition

  • @NotJustJimmy
    @NotJustJimmy 17 днів тому

    Thanks! Well explained.

  • @FumbleSquid
    @FumbleSquid 13 днів тому

    Imo if a thing is just cheese + a little bit of other stuff, it's still cheese. Like do we say cheese with herbs in it not cheese? Of course not. Adding emulsifiers likewise should not disqualify it from being cheese.
    Another thing is not all american is mild, sharp cheeses exist. Can recommend Cooper Cheese. They sell _really good_ american. A good common brand is deli sliced Land o Lakes white american (the prepackaged slices arent good, deli is the best). It's fairly sharp and flavorful.

  • @johnibambohni
    @johnibambohni 15 днів тому

    Nice video! Very gouda advice! 🧀😂 (pun stolen from 06:16.)

  • @JonathanKayne
    @JonathanKayne 18 днів тому +8

    Another technique I have heard of (I think Babish showed it) is that you can add a small amount of American cheese to another cheese to get some of those emulsifying salts into your cheese mixture.

    • @qbreezy2417
      @qbreezy2417 18 днів тому +2

      But then you ruin the real cheese.

    • @JonathanKayne
      @JonathanKayne 18 днів тому +3

      @@qbreezy2417 I said small amount.

    • @jotch_7627
      @jotch_7627 18 днів тому +1

      i dont recall a babish video about that, but there is an adam ragusea one

    • @JonathanKayne
      @JonathanKayne 18 днів тому +1

      @@jotch_7627 perhaps. It was a video about making Mac and cheese different ways

    • @Niesmiesznyy
      @Niesmiesznyy 18 днів тому

      ​@@qbreezy2417the real cheese

  • @Ajbarili
    @Ajbarili 17 днів тому

    Is YoungGouda a rapper already? If not I dibs that and will start learning to rap now.

  • @BeretGuy3
    @BeretGuy3 18 днів тому +12

    American Cheese gets unfairly hated on. Interesting to see a video actually giving it a fair assessment.

    • @Miguel_Noether
      @Miguel_Noether 16 днів тому +1

      Because it's not cheese

    • @S1neWav_
      @S1neWav_ 16 днів тому +4

      ​@@Miguel_Noetherit's literally made from cheese. who cares if it's not "authentic" or whatever

    • @einkar4219
      @einkar4219 15 днів тому +2

      ​@@S1neWav_ it contains 51% cheese most likely it would be even lower if not for regulations

    • @S1neWav_
      @S1neWav_ 15 днів тому +1

      @@einkar4219 then hate on large companies for adding a ridiculous amount of preservatives

    • @KollmannJan
      @KollmannJan 12 днів тому

      ​@@S1neWav_or just ban calling things that are not cheese a cheese.
      It is a fake advertisement, you can't limit producers to not produce something but you can label it properly.

  • @Phlegethon
    @Phlegethon 14 днів тому +1

    American cheese is just ultra processed food

  • @lontongstroong
    @lontongstroong 17 днів тому +2

    Murica Cheese ain't cheese, it's a sauce!!!

  • @tfn212
    @tfn212 14 днів тому

    Lionfield, come here! You need to learn this so you can understand American cheese better

  • @SwissTanuki
    @SwissTanuki 16 днів тому

    As a Swiss I really have a different understanding what cheese is.

  • @smoath
    @smoath 18 днів тому +2

    Skips the "define better" step. Thanks for the info, I'm going to do some experiments now 🥼