A Muslim here. I feel that another one you can add is that the Ahmadiyya are to us are essentially was the Mormons are to Christians. Both believing in a prophet that came in the last 200 years. Both are considered heretical by the larger body of Muslims and Christians. And both have their main cities be the cities there founders were active in (Salt Lake City and Qadian, respectively).
To be more accurate, Joseph Smith never stepped foot in Salt Lake City, but I agree that there are more than enough parallels between the two sects that should be brought up
@@hweiktomeyto they believe that their prophet, Mirza Gulam Ahmed was born Imam Mahdi and the second coming of Jesus (even though they are separate people). And Mirza Gulam Ahmed claimed that as Jesus, he was crucified, which contradicts Islamic teaching. While you can argue that those fall into the fold is eschatology, one thing that definitely marks a clear theological difference is that he preached things like abrogation of Jihad.
@@AE86FTS In that case, they would probably be more similar to dispensationalists or Jehovah's Witnesses. Both believe that we are living in the end times. Maybe the New Apostolic Church.
@@IbnWobbler it is islamic, as it was made by islamic theologians for writing nuskhas of the qur'an and hadith. thuluth, nastaliq, naskh and other scripts all stem from islamic roots in turkey, persia and iraq, 2 of which are non-arabic nations.
Interesting that here Shia Islam is considered closer to Catholicism because, historically, Catholic Kingdoms like Portugual or the Habsburgs had an alliance with the Shia Shah against the Sunni Ottomans. Even today, some Catholic Scholars, like E.Michael Jones, have a good relationship with the Persians.
I get your point but that seems more real politik than theological closeness. The Ottomans we’re Europe’s big threat and the Persians sat on the other side of them, makes sense to propose an encirclement.
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I was really hoping you'd compare Ahmadiyya to Mormons (they have an additional prophet and a lot of ordinary Muslims/Christians don't consider them to be one of their own)
@@MandarynkiPolskie no (existing) christian sect resembles alawism in the slightest. such christian sect would have to be neoplatonic, believe st peter takes precedence over jesus and is in reality the one true god and that jesus and mary only appeared to be human without a real physical presence
Great video, absolutely loved it. One thing that has always annoyed me is that a lot of people tend to think that Islam is some homogenous religion with one Theological doctrine, so they tend to elevate and she dlight onto the Salafis and Wahhabists with their insane and sometimes violent rhetoric, and then try to apply it to the entirety of Islamic Theology, that every Muslims accepts and believes in these exact things. It's the equivalent of me hating Mormons and then claiming Catholics believe in the same thing as the Mormons and then start hating them as well, despite my beef really only being with the Mormons. Working myself on a full Ideological breakdown and origin of "Salafi Jihadism" since this is something almost no one properly covered.
As a muslim myself, it is so weird seeing 2 Christian conservative channels talking about Islam, however much respect, this is a great and well made video when you lay it out like this, our differences seem very silly and not worth the decades of fighting and bloodshed :(
Madhabs are not sects they’re school of thoughts and have no bearing on average Muslim only in matters of jurisprudence… heck they were students of one another
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As a Muslim who is half Turk and half Kazakh, you said in Central Asia there is non-denominational Muslims are majority. Thats partly true but this is because of communist dereligionist policies not a preference. Normally nearly all of the Turks are Hanafi-Maturidi (exeptions: Azeris are Shia, Gagavuzs are Christian, some parts of Eastern Anatolia are Shafi), and this is because Hanafi school centered in Iraq-Kufa, they taught Hanafi Islam to Iran (they forced to convert into Shia during Safavids period), Iranians taught Hanafi Islam to Turks. So Central Asia is a Hanafi realm normally and it is much more true if you describe like that. Also I am so thankful for your fair look to Islam which most of Christians do not have and don't know actually how close we are. The hiararchy you mentioned in Shafi applies to all four original sects of Islam. Last but not least you also could mention Itikadi sects (Maturidi and Eshari) which are also too important these four about fikhi (laws and rules) topics. Thanks again and marry Christmas :)
I did thought about making a comment saying that the hierarchy he mentioned in Shafi madhab applied to all the schools of thought but your comment will do.
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The analogies to Christianity were rather poor and do not contribute to the viewers' understanding of the Islamic sects. Coming from someone who is familiar with both.
im muslim and they were pretty spot on in explaining the muslim ones. i am familiar with larger christian denominations as well and thought they matched pretty well. the smaller ones i was unfamiliar with though im not sure how well they would align but the very small difference between salafi and wahabism showed me that this video was well-researched
@@kuyaatnic9257 mr Z explicitly said in the video that it's meant for christians and muslims who don't fully know the full differences from the other side or just anyone who wants to learn more
15:19 Not sure if I'm mishearing this, but RZ makes an incorrect implication when he states that OO's don't believe icon veneration is necessary for salvation, because none of the Apostolic churches believe that. I'm not sure if he mispoke or not, but Catholics and EO's don't believe that Icon/Statue/Saint Veneration is necessary for salvation in any capacity, only that it is spiritually efficacious and edifying. I can't speak to what OO's believe, but the implication other Apostolic Christians believe that it IS necessary is very misleading and incorrect.1
This was an odd statement from him. As far as I have listened to him he seems to recognize that Catholic (which I am) and Eastern Orthodox Christians do not worship Mary, Saints, icons, statues, etc but that does seem to be what he is implying here. Obviously the veneration of icons has never been considered a necessary part of salvation by Catholics or Othodox Christians. I will be charitable and suppose he simply misspoke.
15:20 this is just flat out false. Orthodox and Catholics both do not require Icons for salvation. This isn't like an opinion statement you can look it up anyway. I have no idea what redeemed zoomer would even think this is the case.
As a Roman Catholic I agree. We do not venerate icons and figures just for our salvation, but we do use them as visual representation of the holy people who we did venerate, or you may call it our role models. The only icon and figure that we venerate for our salvation is the one representing Jesus Christ.
The Second Council of Nicea (considered by both as infallible council) says that those who refuse to venerate the icons, and those who associate with such people are anathema, which at the time meant not saved. The bishops of the council clearly stated in their writings that what they meant by anathema in that council was in fact damnation.
@lordfishsticksthegreat829 that's a flat out lie. No where does it even close come to say you need to have icons, or venerate them, but pushing the hostile suppression of icons, which the council was a response to is sinful and wrong. Believing them valid is a church teaching and breaking with church teaching, Orthodox or Catholic is anthanema as in an exocumination, which yes is sinful. The Council was clearly and given the historical context very obviously saying that this Church believes in icons can be venorated and any Church or body that holds against that view is not part of that Church. No where does it say you get even kicked out if you personally choose not to venerate icons, which most Romans Catholics I know definitely don't do. It's only says that pushing the beliefs against and advocating against Icons is sinful because Icons are a valid spirital aid. To deprive other of suck spiritual aid based off misguided beliefs is sinful and anthanema. So no, no Catholic nor Orthodox believe icons are required for salvation, the recognize them as a valid spiritual tool, and condemn their suppression and their rejection as legitimate.
Finally a good explanation of the Islamic sects. I was always discouraged to learn about other religions as my family members would tell me that other religions were heretical and left it at that.
As a Muslim I want to tell you that this video was extremely, superbly, humongously surface level. If you're really interested I urge you to watch more in-depth videos.
@Pekara121 lol yeah idky they would fit Madhabs into schools of Theology (past Maturidi-Hanafis maybe). I honestly don’t think they are academic videos that even cover this properly, either you watch Muslim apologetics on this or read books/papers.
I think Ismailism is more similar to Catholicism since the ismaili imamate is very similar to the papacy, both claim a long chain of succession, have a lot of political authority and are the main interpretors of scripture and judges when it comes to implimentation and execution of religious law. While Jaafaris have many Ayatollahs that are equal in theological and judicial power, much like the Orthodox and their Patriarchs. Also Ismailis have splinter movenments like the Bohras and Dawoodi which claim that the current Imams office is invalid, similar to sedevacantist movenments and "independent" catholic churches.
Ah finally pretty good comparison, but there is a different like the Ismaili is successor by descendants but not Catholics the successor is by election of cardinals
@@MandarynkiPolskie I am a twelver Shia, I consider Ismaili Muslims to be Muslims, although I do have some issues with them not praying, their symbolism and actions are amazing.
Funny how Islam and christianity are apparently more similar to each other than any other religion, Judaism is more or less a ethno-religion. Both christianity and islam combined comprise the majority of humanity at 57%. Both have denominations which are similar to each other in terms of structure. Both are universalist and prosletyzing. Yet we fought each other for like a 1000 years, GG worthy opponets. oh yeah also both religions are the only ones to believe in Jesus christ as the messiah and in his second coming and in him killing the anti-christ, wow. With Judaism the only similarities with the muslims are rituals or tradition like no pork, praying at a certain time, etc but overall I see more similarities with christianity especially Unitarian christians. also I was suprised that Shi'ism is more aligned with catholicism but in a way it makes sense.
No islam is actually more similar to Judaism as the central tenant of Islam is tawhid. This is irreconcilable with the triune god of Christianity. The practice of a legal aspect of the religion is also a shared motif that both islam and judaism share and that is absent in Christianity. Islam has sharia while Judaism has halakha. Both also insist on practicing their religion through ceremonial customs that are mandated to prove their affiliation. They also share similar norms and values such as differing treatment of nonbelievers or non-jews. I would go so far as to say that Islam is a universalist judaism. Also Unitarian Christianity is not representative of the majority of Christianity and those that do affiliate with such churches are more likely to be universalist humanitarians rather than subscribe to any specific creed or morals outlined in the New Testament. Further to this point, unitarian christians were absent for most of Christian history and, no, Arianism was not unitarian. Arianism was more akin to Tritheism.
@@meina0614 100% agree with Meina. Christianity, when it emerged, was basically a rejection of the right of blood; a religion that saw itself as a "continuation" to judaism, where the right of is rejected and the faith becomes universalist. Islam itself, sees itself as a continuation to Christianity, which, while still seeing itself as universalist, proclaims a return to the right of blood, which is self evident due to the right of rulership of early islam as descended from Mohammed itself, and then from the 4 first caliphs. This is specifically why Christianity is the odd-man out, and has more in common ironically with religions such as Buddhism, because Christianity rejects any and all rights of blood, and, instead, at least until the relatively recent emergence of some protestant sects, instead traced descent from Christ and Paul the Apostle both in Catholic, Orthodox and some Protestant disciplines, by Apostolic descent, meaning, every priest has been ordained by a previous priest going all the way up to Paul the Apostle and Jesus Christ himself, instead of tracing descent through bloodline like Judaism and Islam do.
Just to correct you, Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali aren't separate denominations or sects. Just schools of thoughts with their own approach to understanding the Qur'an, and Sunnah-Hadith.
Redeemed Zoomer and Monsieur Z collab was not on my 2024 bingo card. Two seemingly unrelated worlds clashing. I personally am a non-denominational evangelical Protestant. I've been trying to learn about Muslim denominations in order to be a better Christian Apologist and not misrepresent Muslims when/if I debate them. I've begun to be well-versed in the details of the Quran, but not much in terms of individual denominational beliefs.
I think Mu’tazilla Sunni Islam would be closer to Presbyterianism. Mu’tazillas are extremely rational to the point of calling any religion head that rejects scientific census as a kafir (left the religion)
No, they were not. That is basically a western myth at this point. They were not called rationalists because they favored reason since all the scholars did. They chose the most illogical choices to follow hence why it was almost inevitable that they would disappear Basically, "We follow scientific consensus, and we follow the wisdom of the greeks" to which our scholars pointed out, "What if the greeks were wrong?", and then they proceeded to get violent Calling fellow muslims kuffar and saying they should be executed for not following their "scientific" conclusions is not rational
presbyterianism didn't believe human in absolute free will and believe in original sins, pelagianism is would be much more closer to mutazilites than presbyterianism
@fazrieisa6654 I'm not talking about belief but in the methodology of reaching / justifying your belief. Of course different faiths would have different beliefs
By overpraising rationality Mutazalites consider major sinners in a limbo of being a Muslim or disbeliever. Very problematic, and either way takfir isn’t even done on major sins.
Shia twelver here ! I’d like to add that Saint Peter has special place in our theology too, many hadith describes him as the rightful successor of Christ
@@jlhistory Dig even deeper and you'll find Alawism (a sect within Shia with a few million adherents in Syria and southeastern Turkey) and in their belief system St Peter was at one point God incarnate.
15:50 Ismailis literally have a living leader who is considered to have complete authority over all Muslims and be infallible when he speaks on matters of doctrine. They're commonly compared to Catholics. Why in the world would he claim they're the Eastern Orthodox of the Muslim world because of a bit of mysticism, when Catholics have mystics as well. This is hard to watch.
@@skaswani yup! i was born to an ibadi family (now sunni) and married to a zaydi woman. seeing any of those two sects is rare. seeing them both in the same video is like seeing a rhino in the dog park lol
At 15:21, Redeemed Zoomer makes a false statement about the Catholic Church, claiming it teaches that venerating icons is necessary for salvation. However, no official church doctrine supports this. Just wanted to fact-check a biased Protestant.
As an eastern orthodox Christian, we don’t teach that you need to venerate icons for salvation, we just teach that it’s a holy practice. I appreciate redeemed zoomers but he gets a lot wrong and over simplifies Eastern Orhtodoxy a lot
As a Protestant influencer, RD has somehow led multiple people to Catholicism. Weird. Also 15:20, Catholics and EO don't think salvation is dependent on icon veneration.
Wow. I jus happen to come to your channel from my feed and I had been wondering this kinda thing for years now in how to see if any of the Christian denominations compare in doctrine to Islamic denominations. I've been a 24er Shi'a Muslim for 12 years now coming from (a "Non-denominational" Sunni Islam) and altho my sect, wich is relatively new, most don't know of or about from wat I jus listened to seems pretty fair to agree with in my years of being both Christian (since birth,) and Muslim (for over 24 years) now. Thanx for the info. You jus got a new sub.
Redeemed zoomer is a novice, idk why would you bring him instead of a more established researcher/popularizer. Plus he has a blind spot and knows even less about non-protestant denominations as his errors are routinely corrected in he comments.
There is even one more major difference between Salafis and Sufis when it comes to Aquidah. Where on one hand, Salafis believe in literal representation of body parts of Alah ( shin, right hands). On the other hand, Sufis believe that anthrapromorphism is a form of idolatry and body parts are to be interpretated as spiritual rather than literal.
Sufis can have a variety of beliefs but the most notable belief is "wihdat alwujood" which is similar to pantheism. Salafis don't necessarily believe in body parts but they won't deny it either. Their position is "God said it. We don't know what it means but we accept it". The Ashari and Maturidi who form the majority of Muslims believe that attributes are metaphorical similar to how a Christian would interpret Jesus sitting at the right hand of the father. Then there is Mutazila which is extinct but this theology still exists in Shia, Zaydis and Ibadis and their belief is basically divine simplicity.
As a salafi what we says is if god says he has a face or leg then we believed it but we do not believe it looks like ours, so in a sense no we do not take it literally but ok
@@heisvi9317 the majority of Muslims aren't even aware of what Ashari/Maturidi even means. Just because the scholars of most Muslim countries closest to the government are Ashari/Maturidi does not mean their populations are.
@servantmapper8893I have mixed opinions of him since he switched away from funny pipe dream alt history & now closer to kinda messy social commentary, but maybe that’s just because I’m growing up & starting to see the world as a hell-of-a-lot more complicated than initially expected
You should've mentioned Mu'tazilism, Qur'anism, Ahmadism, Alawism, Islamic modernism, the Nation of Islam, the Five-Percent Nation, and the Moorish Science Temple.
I guess the analogy to the last few would be the Hebrew Israelites. Mixing Christianity with Black American Identitarianism. Maybe Qur’anism is like “red letter Christians”.
Why would you go from worshipping God alone to worshipping Jesus alongside him. Jesus never claimed to be God or asked people to worship him. Doubt you knew anything about Islam doctrines.
@@nasrhussain9126 three quotes from Jesus acknowledging his divinity. “I and the Father are one." John 10:30 how can he be one with the Father if he is not God also? “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58 how can he be eternal but not be God? He also names himself as I Am that is Yahweh the God of the Jews. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Revelation 22:13-15 this is as clear as it can get. But the point is, Jesus did not acknowledge his divinity through words, but through the works of God. The Disciples began to worship Jesus as God when they saw the works, but Jesus asked them to be quiet about this. As they went, He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I am?” 28 They answered, “Some say John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say one of the early preachers.” 29 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter said, “You are the Christ.” 30 He told them with strong words that they should tell no one about Him. Why was this? Because the works of Jesus were not complete. He had a hard time going on as long as did with the Pharisees and Romans being suspicious of him. The instance where he said "Before Abraham was, I am" they threw stones at him. This was the world Jesus walked in, he couldn't lie but he couldn't and wouldn't make brazen statements of his divinity. Once Jesus was dead and risen again, he no longer hid who he was. You can read about this in several verses but I will leave you with my favourite. Matthew 28:5-6: "The angel said to the women, 'Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said."
Jesus himself said that he's not god, yet you guys prefer to use philosophy to justify your polytheist desires. Isn't Allah ﷻ enough for you? From an ex Christian
Very disappointed. You didn’t mention the Ahmadis. They share a lot of similarities with Mormons and are virtually Islamic counterparts of them. And like Mormons and traditional Christians, most Muslims from all sects consider the Ahmadis to be heretical and not Muslim. They’re a fascinating overlooked, heavily persecuted sect that deserve their own video and/or shout out. Also, the Nation of Islam has a lot of similarities with the white suprematist Christian Identity movement.
@ yeah, the Ahmadis are like the Mormons of Islam. They’re a late religious movement that’s like the black sheep of Islam. Like the Mormons in the 1800’s, they were heavily persecuted by mainstream Muslims despite claiming to be Muslim. Even to this day, they still suffer persecution. Very fascinating to research, and you can see some similarities with their founder and Joseph Smith.
@ you can also compare the Nation of Islam to Christian Identity white supremacist groups since the Nation of Islam is very antisemitic, black supremacist, and racist towards non African people.
@@matkrono Alawites are similar to no christian denomination. Because they worship Ali bin Abi Talib and view him as God incarnate. Which takes them out of the fold of Islam. Ahmadiya are also considered to be a separate religion but they are very similar to Mormons.
@@peopleskingdomofwolcottiathey’re in the bible, Torah aswell but they’re shown as mythical/miracle beings in all 3, beings that are not real but miracles by god to show his power
14:05 - Catholics do not "believe" that Christ called Peter the Rock of the Church and gave him the keys to Heaven, it is literally written in the bible - Matthew 16:19. Of course, protestants always forget the Keys to Heaven part.
@@dimitrimolotovvyacheslav4604⋅ If you know some Greek, you can get the pun. _“you are Peter,[Petros] & on this rock[petra] I will build my church”_ (petros= rock, stone, boulder / petra= rock formation, or stone as a building material). In the "Peshitta" (the aramaic traditional translation/version of the Bible) it's just "kefâ" (rock) for both.
I don't know how it works in Christianity but in Islam the 4+1 schools of thought aren't actual divisions in beliefs it's just in practice and the lines between them are blurry. So I'm not sure you can compare them to different churches in Christianity. For example it's ok to walk into a Hanafi mosque if you're a Hanbali and pray with them.
Most Protestants get along with each other fine, the main differentiation is between Apostalics and Protestants, especially Catholics and Protestants. I doubt Twelvers are accepted in Sunni Mosques in general too.
@@anonymousanon6913 You didn't understand my last sentence. I meant that the difference between twelver Shias is bigger than the difference between different madhdahib in Sunni Islam even though they (twelvers) are considered one sect. + Twelver Shias are welcome in Sunni mosques and vice versa but as a Shia you are not going to pray in a Sunni mosque yourself and the same goes with Sunnis.
American/Sierra Leonean Muslim here. Nice video Z, also keep up the good work. The Maliki school of thought,which dominates the majority of Western Africa and Northern Africa.. It was brought by Northern African and Turkish missionaries. It's the main school of thought in Sierra Leone 🇸🇱.
hello while as an American convert to sunni Islam I understand that challenge of Arabic pronunciation however the term for the last imam is Mahdi not mahid
Assalama'alaikum Just to let you know, most groups mentioned in this video aren't even separate denominations. Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi and Hanbali are just schools of thoughts. Salafi is just another school of thought which prefers to believe the Quran and Hadith more than anything else.
@@freddiemedley5580 the short answer is I found it's approach to monotheism most aligned with I already believed now this was 15 years ago and I came out of a sede vacante type sect I also studied all major or global religions prior to converting
This is a pretty good video I must say. I also wanna add that Islam has what I call it’s own equivalent to the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormonism) that being the Ahmadiyya sect which believes in another prophet after Muhammad.
One thing that I think Monsieur got wrong is that Madhabs are closer to the philosophy of law (not really a sect), think how one interprets the American constitution. You can't not have a madhab, otherwise where are you gonna goto court when you have an issue? A Hanafi court or a Maliki court, etc...? You could even make your own madhab if you were like a 200IQ lawyer or judge etc... For example, Imam Malik's student was Al-Shafi. His teacher was the founder of the Maliki school, and he after learning from his teacher created his own legal jurisprudence, the Shafi school. It's really just a philosophy of how one ought to interpret law, not sects. You could take the same legal philosophy and apply it to interpreting American law if you felt like it.
As a Muslim, I think it was kind of ironic to say that the Sunni Muslims are parallel with the Protestants. They call themselves Ahlus-Sunnah for a reason: they follow the Sunnah, which is the tradition from the Prophet Muhammad. Every school of Sunni thought follows hadith, and refusal to follow the Sunnah is seen by many to be heresy or even apostasy. I'm not sure there is a good way to parallel the sects of these two religions. Historically speaking, I would say it parallels the timeline of Catholicism, since it was the major group that continued to refine itself while the other sects broke away.
I've seen a video about Christianity or something like that and there was a church in which they repeated the word "Hu" multiple times. Apparently the man who made this church was in the middle east and probably witnessed a Sufi practice called "zikr" (its really just a Muslim practice but its more important in Sufi schools) and went back to America. Zikr in Arabic means remembrance. Its basically the act of remembering Allah and mentioning him. Hu is one of his names. He has many names. Statements like "La illahe illallah" (there is no god but Allah) are also repeated, emphasizing monotheism. I'm wondering if these Charismatics do the same by any chance?
The most impressive vlog I have ever seen. I really enjoyed this critical and detailed research of synchronising Islam (its different denomination)with Christianity (and its denominations) Thanks.
Most of the objections you have raised are not just related to Ismailisum but they are based on Imami Shi'as doctrine (shared between 12ers and Ismailis)
I'm a whole anthropologist (speak Arabic, am Coptic, frequent West Asia) but I always say that anyone saying that conflicts are the primary contradiction in a conflict are badly informed. Its always something material but religion/culture/ethnicity are secondary or even tertiary contradictions that exasperate conflicts.
Correction. Madhabs are not sects, they're just different kinds of rules and ways and essentially they're the same. Like in this madhab they must but in the other madhabs it's not mandatory vice versa, theology and concept of god should be the same. They're based of the popular scholars that learnt and gathered various of hadith, that's why they're valued. There's no wrong if you follow this madhab or follow other madhab as they're not heretical and they don't literally change islam. But it's important for governments to know which madhab is popular in their country so they could know what is must and it's also to enforce the madhab, it's good to stick with one for those who only know the popular ones and not ready for the other ones.
It's true to almost all Christianity denoms because all have the same theology (sort of) but since Christianity is institutional in nature then automatically every different interpretation (including tradition, prayer, and salvation) leads to creation of new religion. This is true to Catholics, Orthodox, and most of Protestants, who all have the same understanding of Trinity.
@@8SugarRayRobinson8 interesting, but still sunnis admire each of the madhabs and not discriminate each of them (for scholars at least). To count a sect is when the religion takes a whole turn and very different with the other sects like shia, shia is an Islamic sect which has a very big influence from Ali. But I think it's also true if you count it as a denomination as you said. I mean madhabs literally means denoms. But our religion don't enforce denomination to be a thing, that's why most of us are really confused what does this video means cause we don't really care about different madhabs
@@8SugarRayRobinson8 Different interpretations does not always lead to a new religion meaningdisagreeing what God is, believing different prophets and using additional holy book or entirely different religious holy books. Denominations can be described more as Schools then sects.
Not really, it gives a western audience more familiar with religious examples of their own countries and regions to compare to rather than just be told “x believes this” it’s simple comparative analysis for the sake of the example.
We, the Shiites of the Jaafariyya “Twelver Ash’ariyyah,” believe that Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi, “may God hasten his honorable appearance,” is not in hiding, but rather lives with us, seeing us while we do not see him. The Imam, peace be upon him, travels between the countries of the world, cities, and villages, and helps people and sees them, but we do not know. Just how he travels
Lutheran here, I love seeing all of the loving comments. These days Christians and Muslims are so divided. We’re both Abrahamic religions, same God. Love thy brother peace to all❤️
The Sunni and Shia split was not about the religious faith or practice of Islam. We all believe that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah it was who should lead the state after the death of Muhammad peace be upon him the Shia say that the the direct descendants of him should lead which would have be the prophets nephew Ali ( who became caliph later ) the Sunni say that it should be who is most knowledgeable should lead
Do note that Sunna is another word for "Orthodox" both have same meaning of "the followers of the right bath". Historically, Both sides had pretty good relations (most of the time, not all of it)
This video is a frustrating oversimplification of Islamic sects and schools and their Christian analogies. Let me break it down: 1. Sunni Islam: The explanation here is okay-simplified, but what can you expect from a UA-cam video. 2. Madhabs and Fiqh: This is where the video starts to go wrong. The creator treats “madhab” and “fiqh” as synonyms, which is incorrect. Madhab refers to a school of thought, while fiqh translates to jurisprudence (the application of Islamic laws in practical contexts). There are nine madhabs historically, but only four are widely practiced today: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali. These were actually explained decently in the video, albeit briefly. 3. Salafi and Wahhabi Misrepresentation: The real issues arise here. The video misrepresents both as distinct madhabs, which they are not. Additionally, it fails to correctly distinguish or connect their historical and theological origins. • Salafiyyah: Salafiyyah has two origins, often misunderstood: a) The Egyptian Salafiyyah (associated with figures like Jalal-ad-Din al-Afghani, Mohamed Abduh, and Rashid Rida) emphasized the importance of ijtihad (independent reasoning) and a return to the foundational principles of Islam, rejecting blind adherence to scholars or institutions tied to political or social power. b) The Saudi Salafiyyah (stemming from Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab and his successors) shares similar goals but is grounded in the movement led by Ibn Abdulwahhab. Both emphasize the need to avoid blind following and focus on the Qur’an and Sunnah, but their historical contexts differ. Despite their differences, the core principle remains the same: Islam must be purified from innovations, and scholars should not be followed blindly. The Egyptian Salafiyyah did not call itself Salafiyyah; both movements was more about Usul al-Fiqh (principles of jurisprudence) and Qawa’id al-Fiqhiyyah (jurisprudential maxims), not about rejecting or forming madhabs. Wahhabi is a pejorative term often used to describe Saudi Salafiyyah. Those within the movement do not identify with this label, as it’s derogatory and reductive. National Contexts Are Irrelevant: I understand that terms like “Egyptian” and “Saudi” are being used here to describe origins, but it’s critical to clarify that Islam does not recognize national or ethnic boundaries in its religious framework. These terms refer to the geographical origins of these movements, not their adherents. Overall, the video misses key nuances about how madhabs work, the distinction between Salafiyyah’s origins, and the historical and theological significance of these terms. If you’re going to simplify for UA-cam, at least get the basics right!
The division between Sunni and Shia Islam goes back to right after the death of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), not decades later. As the video itself mentioned earlier in its explanation of Sunni Islam, the primary issue was over who should succeed the Prophet as the leader of the Muslim community. To simplify: Sunni Muslims supported Abu Bakr, while Shia Muslims believed Ali ibn Abi Talib, the Prophet’s cousin and son-in-law, was the rightful successor. This disagreement over leadership and authority is the real origin of the Sunni-Shia split, not the tragic events of Karbala, which occurred much later and further deepened the divide. Also, it’s incorrect to say that only Shia Muslims venerate the family of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Sunni Muslims also deeply respect and love the Prophet’s family (Ahlul Bayt), and the tragedy of Karbala-where the Prophet’s grandson Hussain and his family were brutally martyred-is seen as a tragic and significant event by Sunnis as well. The difference lies more in theological interpretations , not in the lack of reverence. It’s disappointing to see such an important historical context misrepresented. If you’re going to attempt to explain Islamic denominations, at least keep the timeline consistent with your own explanation of Sunni Islam!
Another thing this video misses is the fact that the real differences within Sunni Islam aren’t in the madhabs (like Hanafi, Shafi’i, etc.), because those are all about Fiqh (jurisprudence). As I said earlier, these schools just deal with practical matters-like how to pray or fast-and while they might disagree on small details, they all recognize each other as valid. No one is calling the others heretical over these differences. The deeper divisions in Islam are actually in Aqeedah (theology/creed). This is where the big differences lie, and it’s not just between Sunni and Shia. Here’s a quick breakdown: • Sunni Aqeedah: Sunni theology is mainly split into three schools: • Ash’ari and Maturidi: These are the dominant schools. They try to balance reason and revelation, and they interpret God’s attributes (like His hand, face, etc.) metaphorically to avoid anthropomorphism. • Athari: This is a more literalist approach tied to the Hanbali madhab. They avoid metaphorical explanations and just take the texts as they are, leaving the meaning to God. • Other Aqeedah Schools: • Shia theology: Already explained earlier, but it focuses on the Imamate and the infallibility of the Imams, plus divine justice (Adalat). • Ibadis: They’re different from Sunni and Shia, emphasizing strict monotheism, justice, and leadership based on merit, not lineage or political power. • Mu’tazilis: They were super rationalist. They believed the Qur’an was created (not eternal), rejected any human-like descriptions of God, and placed a huge emphasis on free will and divine justice. • Kharijites: They were strict and uncompromising, with a heavy focus on divine justice and rejecting leaders they deemed sinful. The video completely skips over this and focuses way too much on madhabs when those differences are minor compared to the theological divides. If you’re going to explain Islamic denominations, at least mention Aqeedah, because that’s where the real diversity is. Okay I’m done
the connection from Mr z who I have watched for like 7 years, to now redeemed zoomer, who I watch debates of is wild. My two interests colliding. Wild. (Although redeemed zoomer is a dirty prot ;)
Great video, loved the RZ collab, but was a little sad (as my dad is a Turkish Alevi) that Alevism wasn't mentioned, as it's a rather interesting syncretic Muslim sect, only found in Turkey, combining Muslim Bektashism with old Turkish traditions from Tengrism. They are also pretty much hated by all other Muslims and were heavily persecuted in the Ottoman Empire. They still face a lot of hard times in Turkey today so many of the Turks in Germany are Alevi.
@ Walaykm Salam rahmatullahi barakatuh. There is a difference among the Zaydis about these figures. The majority of Zaydis including myself do tawwaquf regarding Abu Bakr, Umar and even Utthman which means we neither praise nor curse them, they had virtues for sure and were esteemed companions of the Prophet however they were in clear error in taking the caliphate from Imam Ali and not giving him his right when he was explicitly made the succesor by the Prophet and denying the Prophet’s command is a major sin. Hence they are sinners but we do not pass judgment on them, perhaps the honor and virtues of their companionship prevail and they are accepted to heaven perhaps not, there is a minority of Zaydis who are more Sunni like and praise Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman though still regard him as sinners they believe they were promised heaven and then there is an even smaller minority called Batris who accept the three caliphs and that they had to be caliphs because the Ummah was not willing to accept Imam Ali’s caliphate at the time. As for Hazrat Aisha she’s highly respected in Zaydism though she still made a huge mistake in rebelling against Amir Al Mumineen she did regret it and repent. As for Muawiya we do not like him because he cursed Imam Ali and was an enemy of his and the Prophet said whoever was Ali’s enemy was his enemy. Unlike the other three caliphs and Aisha in which there is possibility if not certainty they regretted their actions it’s very clear Muawiya to the very end reserved hatred towards Imam Ali such as breaking his deal he made with Imam Hasan and installing his own son as Caliph instead hence bringing nepotism to the Islamic ruling system and his caliphate was characterized by corruption and moral decay with Non Arab Muslims being unfairly oppressed.
@@Acesinz Wa Alaykumus salam wa rahmatullah Zaydis accept Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman as pious rulers that were mistaken. Meaning that they committed mistakes and contradicted the Sunnah at times but are to be considered pious muslims, their caliphate is accepted. No, Zaydis despise Muawiya for usurping the Caliphate and opposing Imam Ali bin Abi Talib and for the killing of Hujr bin Adi'. also dislike him for breaking the treaty with Imam Hassan bin Ali which lead to Muawiya appointing Yazeed, who was responsible for the killing of Imam Hussayn bin Ali. So yes Muawiya is very controversial and disliked by Zaydi Shi'ites. Not to mention that Imam Zayd bin Ali from whom the Zaydis come from, was killed by the Umayyads for avenging the blood of Imam Hussayn. As for Aisha, usually Zaydis favour her, it depends though. Some view her as mistaken but pious and preached the views of the Ahl Bayt and corrected the Sahaaba on their faulty narrating. Others though im not sure.
There is no sunni,shia,Ibadis and any other sects “Indeed, you (O Prophet) are not responsible whatsoever for those who have divided their faith and split into sects. Their judgment rests only with Allah. And He will inform them of what they used to do”. (Qur'an 6:159) The Quran also says in Surah Al-Imran, chapter 3, verse 103 to hold together to the rope of Allah and not be divided. Making sects in the religion of Islam is strictly forbidden.
Better choices for the guest than redeemed zoomer. Religious Sect Researcher on the channel "Ready to Harvest" would've been the ideal pick imo. Although if you do a Christian denomination one he would be peak.
4:00 Yes, these four are more like different schools than denominations. They are all Sunni Muslims who respect and don't excommunicate eachothers. And most of their differences are minor interpretations. Also, I advise reading chapter 19 of the Quran.
Saint John of Damascus was a contemporary of the founding century of mohammedanism, and considered it to be the "heresy of the Ishmaelites". According to him and perhaps other contemporaries, mohammedanism is a Christian heresy, not a separate religion. His writings on it may be found in his monumental work, *The Fount of Knowledge*.
A Muslim here. I feel that another one you can add is that the Ahmadiyya are to us are essentially was the Mormons are to Christians. Both believing in a prophet that came in the last 200 years. Both are considered heretical by the larger body of Muslims and Christians. And both have their main cities be the cities there founders were active in (Salt Lake City and Qadian, respectively).
To be more accurate, Joseph Smith never stepped foot in Salt Lake City, but I agree that there are more than enough parallels between the two sects that should be brought up
I was not familiar with this group until today, seems I have a new subject to research!
But then again, Ahmadis have a very similar theology and other than eschatology, there isn't much of a difference.
@@hweiktomeyto they believe that their prophet, Mirza Gulam Ahmed was born Imam Mahdi and the second coming of Jesus (even though they are separate people). And Mirza Gulam Ahmed claimed that as Jesus, he was crucified, which contradicts Islamic teaching. While you can argue that those fall into the fold is eschatology, one thing that definitely marks a clear theological difference is that he preached things like abrogation of Jihad.
@@AE86FTS In that case, they would probably be more similar to dispensationalists or Jehovah's Witnesses. Both believe that we are living in the end times. Maybe the New Apostolic Church.
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This might be the first UA-cam comment to ever make me laugh out loud.
Arabic is so nice in calligraphy
Yes, as a Christian I do love Muslim calligraphy.
Gotta admit the Middle Eastern calligraphy is peak. Language is and sounds beautiful too
@@Karlonstarkit’s not necessarily Islamic, but Islam forbade images of living creatures to avoid shirk, therefore calligraphy was incentivized.
@@IbnWobbler it is islamic, as it was made by islamic theologians for writing nuskhas of the qur'an and hadith. thuluth, nastaliq, naskh and other scripts all stem from islamic roots in turkey, persia and iraq, 2 of which are non-arabic nations.
@@Karlonstark It's not necessarily Islamic, there are some Arab churches that do this too
Interesting that here Shia Islam is considered closer to Catholicism because, historically, Catholic Kingdoms like Portugual or the Habsburgs had an alliance with the Shia Shah against the Sunni Ottomans.
Even today, some Catholic Scholars, like E.Michael Jones, have a good relationship with the Persians.
I get your point but that seems more real politik than theological closeness. The Ottomans we’re Europe’s big threat and the Persians sat on the other side of them, makes sense to propose an encirclement.
@MarkStein-n3rdon’t forget Iraq, it’s a majority Shia and is arguably the most culturally significant country in the world.
Very sus shia
@@cubaj8723 Agreed. An interesting coincidence nonetheless.
They also both commit what the other sects view as idolatry in their calling out to saints
I can't say I was expecting to see Redeemed Zoomer on one of your videos. This is great.
Ask yourself today:
* Is my name written in the book of life?
* If I were to die today will I go to heaven or to hell?
* Have all of my sins been forgiven?
* Am I in a right relationship with God?
* Have I been saved from my sin and the eternal consequences of sin?
* Am I spiritually satisfied?
* Am I living in victory over sin, the world, the devil?
* Have I come to know God’s love for me?
* Have I been delivered from darkness?
* Have I received the Holy Spirit?
* Have I been born again spiritually?
* Do I have fellowship with Christ?
* Do I come boldly before God in prayer?
* Am I cured of all of my anxiety?
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And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
- Revelation 20:15
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In Him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace.
- Ephesians 1:7
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For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
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I was really hoping you'd compare Ahmadiyya to Mormons (they have an additional prophet and a lot of ordinary Muslims/Christians don't consider them to be one of their own)
Yes that's a rather strong comparison.
This is pretty accurate.
I would equate the Alawites to Mormons instead, but the Ahmadiyya is also a good example
Ahmadis are more like Seventh Day Adventists. Both still got the core doctrines right but they inserted a new figure that can be quite problematic.
@@MandarynkiPolskie no (existing) christian sect resembles alawism in the slightest. such christian sect would have to be neoplatonic, believe st peter takes precedence over jesus and is in reality the one true god and that jesus and mary only appeared to be human without a real physical presence
That was the most unexpected but very much welcomed collaboration and I am all here for it
Great video, absolutely loved it. One thing that has always annoyed me is that a lot of people tend to think that Islam is some homogenous religion with one Theological doctrine, so they tend to elevate and she dlight onto the Salafis and Wahhabists with their insane and sometimes violent rhetoric, and then try to apply it to the entirety of Islamic Theology, that every Muslims accepts and believes in these exact things. It's the equivalent of me hating Mormons and then claiming Catholics believe in the same thing as the Mormons and then start hating them as well, despite my beef really only being with the Mormons.
Working myself on a full Ideological breakdown and origin of "Salafi Jihadism" since this is something almost no one properly covered.
Didn't expect lavader here
@Lavader_ yoo nice crossover
Really liked your last video
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And I thought Redeemed Zoomer and Monsieur Z was a crazy enough crossover.
Il exacited
As a muslim myself, it is so weird seeing 2 Christian conservative channels talking about Islam, however much respect, this is a great and well made video
when you lay it out like this, our differences seem very silly and not worth the decades of fighting and bloodshed :(
Madhabs are not sects they’re school of thoughts and have no bearing on average Muslim only in matters of jurisprudence… heck they were students of one another
As a Spanish Catholic i agree
Fighting and bloodshed caused by islamic deceptive ☪️olonizers.
islam colonized their innocent neighbors, killed the men and took the women as sex slaves to exploit( look up a Sabbaya in islam) ☪️ancer. Conquest of the Levant: 634-641 Conquest of Egypt: 639-642 Arab-Byzantine naval wars Conquest of Mesopotamia and Persia: 633-651 the siege of Constantinople from 670 to 677 (☪️ancer) Conquest of Sindh: 711-714 Conquest of the Maghreb: 647-742 Conquest of Hispania and Septimania: 711-721 -Muslim defeat at the Battle of Tours at the hands of the Franks in 732.The victory of the Franks, led by Charles THE HAMMER Martel 🗿✝️. Conquest of Transoxiana: 673-751 Raids into Afghanistan, Cyprus, Armenia, and Georgia and Greece. Islam has done nothing but destroy and corrupt, stealing and murdering Christians throughout history. Countless ancient cultures like Persians and murdering 10s of millions of Indians and Africans( continuing today)
Is your pfp Egyptian kingdom?
I think that this is very good, as most people know of Christian denominations but not of Islam.
*in the Western World, for obvious reasons
Redeemed Zoomer is probably the last person you should listen to about Christian history, though.
@@mikewilliams6025 Not the last, but not the first.
Most Westerners believe that Islam is a monolithic hive religion that doesn't have a single difference between each other
Yh well our denominations all agree with the main message compared to Christian denominations that don't agree with each other.
Orthodox Christian Here
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Neo-Puritan reformed evangelical
Based Redeemed Zoomer crossover
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@@1mol831based on a good basis
@@VoidRyzbased means very knowledgeable
@@Rng856 has that bit of slang changed meaning yet again?
@@1mol831a fairy tale
As a Muslim who is half Turk and half Kazakh, you said in Central Asia there is non-denominational Muslims are majority. Thats partly true but this is because of communist dereligionist policies not a preference. Normally nearly all of the Turks are Hanafi-Maturidi (exeptions: Azeris are Shia, Gagavuzs are Christian, some parts of Eastern Anatolia are Shafi), and this is because Hanafi school centered in Iraq-Kufa, they taught Hanafi Islam to Iran (they forced to convert into Shia during Safavids period), Iranians taught Hanafi Islam to Turks. So Central Asia is a Hanafi realm normally and it is much more true if you describe like that. Also I am so thankful for your fair look to Islam which most of Christians do not have and don't know actually how close we are. The hiararchy you mentioned in Shafi applies to all four original sects of Islam. Last but not least you also could mention Itikadi sects (Maturidi and Eshari) which are also too important these four about fikhi (laws and rules) topics. Thanks again and marry Christmas :)
I did thought about making a comment saying that the hierarchy he mentioned in Shafi madhab applied to all the schools of thought but your comment will do.
@MahmudHasan-me Yeah this hiararchy officialised in Hadith about Muaz bin Cebel's appointment to Yemen.
@@Otto_42 your profile pic tells me you are a monarchist. Do you watch Lavadar?
@MahmudHasan-me Never heard this name
@Otto_42 are you a monarchist?
Protestant (Evangelical Pentecostal) here. Blessings to Catholics, Orthodox, fellow Protestant and Muslims 👍.
That's actually quite kind of you, bless you brother (or sister) in Christ! ☦️✝️
The Lord bless you and keep you;
The Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.
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God be with ye, my brother in The Lord Jesus
Imagine blessing muslims
edit: you know, I bless you muslims too, I don't think we agree on our faith though
God bless you as a Muslim. May you have a great day. ❤
As a Ja’fari Shia I’d like to say that it was a really well made video although quite oversimplified, keep up the great work!
I agree, also as a Ja3fari shia
@@ethandouro4334 mashallah, which country are you from if you don’t mind me asking
@zaidatimash713 Brazil alhamdulillah
salam from Indonesia, as a zaydi shia
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Barazil??? Ma sha allah shia
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I'm glad the partnership ended up happening! Great video!
The analogies to Christianity were rather poor and do not contribute to the viewers' understanding of the Islamic sects. Coming from someone who is familiar with both.
Yeah it’s like trying to fit a circle in a square peg and then jamming it through.
im muslim and they were pretty spot on in explaining the muslim ones. i am familiar with larger christian denominations as well and thought they matched pretty well. the smaller ones i was unfamiliar with though im not sure how well they would align but the very small difference between salafi and wahabism showed me that this video was well-researched
This video is intended for Christian viewers, not you
@@kuyaatnic9257 mr Z explicitly said in the video that it's meant for christians and muslims who don't fully know the full differences from the other side or just anyone who wants to learn more
@Wakamolewonder Yeah very silly to compare Madhabs and not schools of Aqidah to Christian denominations
15:19 Not sure if I'm mishearing this, but RZ makes an incorrect implication when he states that OO's don't believe icon veneration is necessary for salvation, because none of the Apostolic churches believe that. I'm not sure if he mispoke or not, but Catholics and EO's don't believe that Icon/Statue/Saint Veneration is necessary for salvation in any capacity, only that it is spiritually efficacious and edifying.
I can't speak to what OO's believe, but the implication other Apostolic Christians believe that it IS necessary is very misleading and incorrect.1
RZ is extremely anti-apostolic churches and often misrepresents views of those churches
This was an odd statement from him. As far as I have listened to him he seems to recognize that Catholic (which I am) and Eastern Orthodox Christians do not worship Mary, Saints, icons, statues, etc but that does seem to be what he is implying here. Obviously the veneration of icons has never been considered a necessary part of salvation by Catholics or Othodox Christians. I will be charitable and suppose he simply misspoke.
you misheard things
@@Karlonstark so why do it? It's a theological red herring.
@@demonking86420 Just because something is not required, doesn’t mean it is not helpful.
15:20 this is just flat out false. Orthodox and Catholics both do not require Icons for salvation. This isn't like an opinion statement you can look it up anyway. I have no idea what redeemed zoomer would even think this is the case.
As a Roman Catholic I agree. We do not venerate icons and figures just for our salvation, but we do use them as visual representation of the holy people who we did venerate, or you may call it our role models. The only icon and figure that we venerate for our salvation is the one representing Jesus Christ.
The Second Council of Nicea (considered by both as infallible council) says that those who refuse to venerate the icons, and those who associate with such people are anathema, which at the time meant not saved. The bishops of the council clearly stated in their writings that what they meant by anathema in that council was in fact damnation.
@lordfishsticksthegreat829 that's a flat out lie. No where does it even close come to say you need to have icons, or venerate them, but pushing the hostile suppression of icons, which the council was a response to is sinful and wrong. Believing them valid is a church teaching and breaking with church teaching, Orthodox or Catholic is anthanema as in an exocumination, which yes is sinful. The Council was clearly and given the historical context very obviously saying that this Church believes in icons can be venorated and any Church or body that holds against that view is not part of that Church. No where does it say you get even kicked out if you personally choose not to venerate icons, which most Romans Catholics I know definitely don't do. It's only says that pushing the beliefs against and advocating against Icons is sinful because Icons are a valid spirital aid. To deprive other of suck spiritual aid based off misguided beliefs is sinful and anthanema. So no, no Catholic nor Orthodox believe icons are required for salvation, the recognize them as a valid spiritual tool, and condemn their suppression and their rejection as legitimate.
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Finally a good explanation of the Islamic sects. I was always discouraged to learn about other religions as my family members would tell me that other religions were heretical and left it at that.
As a Muslim I want to tell you that this video was extremely, superbly, humongously surface level. If you're really interested I urge you to watch more in-depth videos.
@Pekara121 lol yeah idky they would fit Madhabs into schools of Theology (past Maturidi-Hanafis maybe). I honestly don’t think they are academic videos that even cover this properly, either you watch Muslim apologetics on this or read books/papers.
I advise reading from the Quran itself, especially chapters 17-19.
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Blessed Redeemed Zoomer and Mr. Z crossover
Twelver shia here. I love all of my muslim and Christian Brothers❤
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im a twelver shia too
@KirkukisTurkmen based
Muslims are not your Brothers. Only Christians are your brothers.
Shiites, especially the Twelvers, as well as the Ismailis, Alawites, and Rafidis are not Muslims.
I think Ismailism is more similar to Catholicism since the ismaili imamate is very similar to the papacy, both claim a long chain of succession, have a lot of political authority and are the main interpretors of scripture and judges when it comes to implimentation and execution of religious law. While Jaafaris have many Ayatollahs that are equal in theological and judicial power, much like the Orthodox and their Patriarchs. Also Ismailis have splinter movenments like the Bohras and Dawoodi which claim that the current Imams office is invalid, similar to sedevacantist movenments and "independent" catholic churches.
Reminder that both churches are called catholic, one is Orthodox catholic and Roman catholic
Catholics are still treated as Christians though, by a clear majority even, where as most Muslims don't call Ismailis Muslims
@@MandarynkiPolskie they are muslims and we do. Idk what you are yapping 🤏🧠
Ah finally pretty good comparison, but there is a different like the Ismaili is successor by descendants but not Catholics the successor is by election of cardinals
@@MandarynkiPolskie I am a twelver Shia, I consider Ismaili Muslims to be Muslims, although I do have some issues with them not praying, their symbolism and actions are amazing.
Yes, I like that you are diversifying your content. Big fan
I was not expecting an RZ crossover! I’m fed well.
Please consider doing this with christianity! Catholic here. ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
hello, from a baptist ✝️
Redeemed zoomer, ABC explainer, and a few minor channels (including my own) have a lot of denomination explanation videos
redeemed zoomer did this really well
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If you do, include the Reformed Baptists and Presbyterians!
Funny how Islam and christianity are apparently more similar to each other than any other religion, Judaism is more or less a ethno-religion. Both christianity and islam combined comprise the majority of humanity at 57%. Both have denominations which are similar to each other in terms of structure. Both are universalist and prosletyzing. Yet we fought each other for like a 1000 years, GG worthy opponets. oh yeah also both religions are the only ones to believe in Jesus christ as the messiah and in his second coming and in him killing the anti-christ, wow. With Judaism the only similarities with the muslims are rituals or tradition like no pork, praying at a certain time, etc but overall I see more similarities with christianity especially Unitarian christians. also I was suprised that Shi'ism is more aligned with catholicism but in a way it makes sense.
No islam is actually more similar to Judaism as the central tenant of Islam is tawhid. This is irreconcilable with the triune god of Christianity. The practice of a legal aspect of the religion is also a shared motif that both islam and judaism share and that is absent in Christianity. Islam has sharia while Judaism has halakha. Both also insist on practicing their religion through ceremonial customs that are mandated to prove their affiliation. They also share similar norms and values such as differing treatment of nonbelievers or non-jews. I would go so far as to say that Islam is a universalist judaism.
Also Unitarian Christianity is not representative of the majority of Christianity and those that do affiliate with such churches are more likely to be universalist humanitarians rather than subscribe to any specific creed or morals outlined in the New Testament. Further to this point, unitarian christians were absent for most of Christian history and, no, Arianism was not unitarian. Arianism was more akin to Tritheism.
@@meina0614 100% agree with Meina. Christianity, when it emerged, was basically a rejection of the right of blood; a religion that saw itself as a "continuation" to judaism, where the right of is rejected and the faith becomes universalist. Islam itself, sees itself as a continuation to Christianity, which, while still seeing itself as universalist, proclaims a return to the right of blood, which is self evident due to the right of rulership of early islam as descended from Mohammed itself, and then from the 4 first caliphs.
This is specifically why Christianity is the odd-man out, and has more in common ironically with religions such as Buddhism, because Christianity rejects any and all rights of blood, and, instead, at least until the relatively recent emergence of some protestant sects, instead traced descent from Christ and Paul the Apostle both in Catholic, Orthodox and some Protestant disciplines, by Apostolic descent, meaning, every priest has been ordained by a previous priest going all the way up to Paul the Apostle and Jesus Christ himself, instead of tracing descent through bloodline like Judaism and Islam do.
imagine how we fought one thousand years just for the jews to steal the holy land
Just to correct you, Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali aren't separate denominations or sects. Just schools of thoughts with their own approach to understanding the Qur'an, and Sunnah-Hadith.
oddly there are also similar movements in Judaism as well.
Redeemed Zoomer and Monsieur Z collab was not on my 2024 bingo card. Two seemingly unrelated worlds clashing.
I personally am a non-denominational evangelical Protestant. I've been trying to learn about Muslim denominations in order to be a better Christian Apologist and not misrepresent Muslims when/if I debate them. I've begun to be well-versed in the details of the Quran, but not much in terms of individual denominational beliefs.
I think Mu’tazilla Sunni Islam would be closer to Presbyterianism. Mu’tazillas are extremely rational to the point of calling any religion head that rejects scientific census as a kafir (left the religion)
Mutazilites were a cult group and they don't exist anymore.
No, they were not. That is basically a western myth at this point. They were not called rationalists because they favored reason since all the scholars did. They chose the most illogical choices to follow hence why it was almost inevitable that they would disappear
Basically, "We follow scientific consensus, and we follow the wisdom of the greeks" to which our scholars pointed out, "What if the greeks were wrong?", and then they proceeded to get violent
Calling fellow muslims kuffar and saying they should be executed for not following their "scientific" conclusions is not rational
presbyterianism didn't believe human in absolute free will and believe in original sins, pelagianism is would be much more closer to mutazilites than presbyterianism
@fazrieisa6654 I'm not talking about belief but in the methodology of reaching / justifying your belief. Of course different faiths would have different beliefs
By overpraising rationality Mutazalites consider major sinners in a limbo of being a Muslim or disbeliever. Very problematic, and either way takfir isn’t even done on major sins.
Shia twelver here ! I’d like to add that Saint Peter has special place in our theology too, many hadith describes him as the rightful successor of Christ
Didnt muhammad marry a child?
Both shia and catholics have second major important figures, for shia is imam ali as first imam but for catholic is saint peter as first pope
Really? That’s super interesting
@@jlhistory Dig even deeper and you'll find Alawism (a sect within Shia with a few million adherents in Syria and southeastern Turkey) and in their belief system St Peter was at one point God incarnate.
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That's in the sunni books, sahih al bukhari has so many hadith that condritect each other its a mess
This is not the crossover i was expecting
15:50 Ismailis literally have a living leader who is considered to have complete authority over all Muslims and be infallible when he speaks on matters of doctrine. They're commonly compared to Catholics. Why in the world would he claim they're the Eastern Orthodox of the Muslim world because of a bit of mysticism, when Catholics have mystics as well.
This is hard to watch.
Interesting!
This is an excellent video. I didn't expect the 4 Islamic Sunni schools would show on here. This level of detail is impressive. Earned a new sub!
I thought they just show 12ers as the only Shia and I was surprised when they explained Ismailis and Zaydis in his vlog!
@@skaswani yup! i was born to an ibadi family (now sunni) and married to a zaydi woman. seeing any of those two sects is rare. seeing them both in the same video is like seeing a rhino in the dog park lol
At 15:21, Redeemed Zoomer makes a false statement about the Catholic Church, claiming it teaches that venerating icons is necessary for salvation. However, no official church doctrine supports this. Just wanted to fact-check a biased Protestant.
Read the second Nicea on icon veneration
@@natnaeltefera1386 What exactly are you getting at?
As an eastern orthodox Christian, we don’t teach that you need to venerate icons for salvation, we just teach that it’s a holy practice. I appreciate redeemed zoomers but he gets a lot wrong and over simplifies Eastern Orhtodoxy a lot
As a Protestant influencer, RD has somehow led multiple people to Catholicism. Weird. Also 15:20, Catholics and EO don't think salvation is dependent on icon veneration.
As a Ja'fari Shia I just understood why Pope of Vatikan visited and met with Grand Ayatullah Sistani in Iraq 😂
Wow. I jus happen to come to your channel from my feed and I had been wondering this kinda thing for years now in how to see if any of the Christian denominations compare in doctrine to Islamic denominations. I've been a 24er Shi'a Muslim for 12 years now coming from (a "Non-denominational" Sunni Islam) and altho my sect, wich is relatively new, most don't know of or about from wat I jus listened to seems pretty fair to agree with in my years of being both Christian (since birth,) and Muslim (for over 24 years) now. Thanx for the info. You jus got a new sub.
Thank you both for making this video, it's something I've always wanted to know more about! 😊
Redeemed zoomer is a novice, idk why would you bring him instead of a more established researcher/popularizer. Plus he has a blind spot and knows even less about non-protestant denominations as his errors are routinely corrected in he comments.
He shouldve invited a muslim
There is even one more major difference between Salafis and Sufis when it comes to Aquidah. Where on one hand, Salafis believe in literal representation of body parts of Alah ( shin, right hands). On the other hand, Sufis believe that anthrapromorphism is a form of idolatry and body parts are to be interpretated as spiritual rather than literal.
It's not really a sufi thing but a Ashari/Maturidi thing (ie the majority of Muslims). Most sufi orders just happen to follow Ashari/Maturidi theology
Sufis can have a variety of beliefs but the most notable belief is "wihdat alwujood" which is similar to pantheism. Salafis don't necessarily believe in body parts but they won't deny it either. Their position is "God said it. We don't know what it means but we accept it". The Ashari and Maturidi who form the majority of Muslims believe that attributes are metaphorical similar to how a Christian would interpret Jesus sitting at the right hand of the father. Then there is Mutazila which is extinct but this theology still exists in Shia, Zaydis and Ibadis and their belief is basically divine simplicity.
As a salafi what we says is if god says he has a face or leg then we believed it but we do not believe it looks like ours, so in a sense no we do not take it literally but ok
@@heisvi9317 the majority of Muslims aren't even aware of what Ashari/Maturidi even means. Just because the scholars of most Muslim countries closest to the government are Ashari/Maturidi does not mean their populations are.
Crossover with WIAH when? Debate him re: Civil War.
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@@MonsieurDean WIAH = Whatifalthist I think.
I'd like that too.
Don't give that clown more of a platform
@servantmapper8893I have mixed opinions of him since he switched away from funny pipe dream alt history & now closer to kinda messy social commentary, but maybe that’s just because I’m growing up & starting to see the world as a hell-of-a-lot more complicated than initially expected
@@MonsieurDeanWhatifalthist sure loves his civil wars
Everyone who’s a part of the Apostolic Churches, we gotta reunite, we’d be unstoppable.
I wish we would do this but I don’t see it happening. Are you Catholic or Orthodox?
EO and OO have a good chance right now. But we need to get the nature of Christ cleared up.
nobody NOBODY! Expected this Collab
You should've mentioned Mu'tazilism, Qur'anism, Ahmadism, Alawism, Islamic modernism, the Nation of Islam, the Five-Percent Nation, and the Moorish Science Temple.
Yes
Mu'taziliyya is not really an extant branch though.
Nation of islam is not islam at all, it's a black supremacist cult
Quranism ftw
I guess the analogy to the last few would be the Hebrew Israelites. Mixing Christianity with Black American Identitarianism.
Maybe Qur’anism is like “red letter Christians”.
i used to be a shafi'i muslim and am now lutheran Christian :) interesting video!
You struggle with theology much?
Why would you go from worshipping God alone to worshipping Jesus alongside him. Jesus never claimed to be God or asked people to worship him. Doubt you knew anything about Islam doctrines.
@@nasrhussain9126 Read the bible and you would understand.
@@nasrhussain9126 three quotes from Jesus acknowledging his divinity.
“I and the Father are one." John 10:30
how can he be one with the Father if he is not God also?
“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58 how can he be eternal but not be God? He also names himself as I Am that is Yahweh the God of the Jews.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Revelation 22:13-15
this is as clear as it can get.
But the point is, Jesus did not acknowledge his divinity through words, but through the works of God. The Disciples began to worship Jesus as God when they saw the works, but Jesus asked them to be quiet about this.
As they went, He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I am?” 28 They answered, “Some say John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say one of the early preachers.” 29 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter said, “You are the Christ.” 30 He told them with strong words that they should tell no one about Him.
Why was this? Because the works of Jesus were not complete. He had a hard time going on as long as did with the Pharisees and Romans being suspicious of him. The instance where he said "Before Abraham was, I am" they threw stones at him. This was the world Jesus walked in, he couldn't lie but he couldn't and wouldn't make brazen statements of his divinity. Once Jesus was dead and risen again, he no longer hid who he was. You can read about this in several verses but I will leave you with my favourite.
Matthew 28:5-6: "The angel said to the women, 'Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said."
Jesus himself said that he's not god, yet you guys prefer to use philosophy to justify your polytheist desires. Isn't Allah ﷻ enough for you?
From an ex Christian
Awesome crossover!
Love your content z! Keep up the good work 😊😊😊😊
Very disappointed. You didn’t mention the Ahmadis. They share a lot of similarities with Mormons and are virtually Islamic counterparts of them. And like Mormons and traditional Christians, most Muslims from all sects consider the Ahmadis to be heretical and not Muslim. They’re a fascinating overlooked, heavily persecuted sect that deserve their own video and/or shout out. Also, the Nation of Islam has a lot of similarities with the white suprematist Christian Identity movement.
they are as much muslims as hindus are bathing
This was a group I was not familiar with
@ yeah, the Ahmadis are like the Mormons of Islam. They’re a late religious movement that’s like the black sheep of Islam. Like the Mormons in the 1800’s, they were heavily persecuted by mainstream Muslims despite claiming to be Muslim. Even to this day, they still suffer persecution. Very fascinating to research, and you can see some similarities with their founder and Joseph Smith.
@ you can also compare the Nation of Islam to Christian Identity white supremacist groups since the Nation of Islam is very antisemitic, black supremacist, and racist towards non African people.
Ahmadis should not be considered Muslims at all. Their belief is extremely wrong from the mainstream Islam.
Two sects of hanafi school exist in South Asia
Deobandi and Brelvi.
Also he forgot to mention alawites And alevis
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Alawites are similar to no christian denomination. Because they worship Ali bin Abi Talib and view him as God incarnate. Which takes them out of the fold of Islam.
Ahmadiya are also considered to be a separate religion but they are very similar to Mormons.
They are not sect, it's more likely to be islamic movement just like wahhabism, salafism, etc
They are not sects
Deobandi is just a institution
Deobandi follow hanafi school of thought generally
@@ryojs4286why are deobandi hated
As a Muslim man i wish peace to everyone
Alhamdulilah
@peopleskingdomofwolcottia alhamdulilah proud to be Muslim
As a Christian, ditto.
@Mr.KaganbYaltrk BTW what is your opinion of the Dragons in the Quran?
@@peopleskingdomofwolcottiathey’re in the bible, Torah aswell but they’re shown as mythical/miracle beings in all 3, beings that are not real but miracles by god to show his power
The collaboration we NEVER SAW COMING! 🎉🎉🎉
Yo congratulations on the extra exposure my guy
14:05 - Catholics do not "believe" that Christ called Peter the Rock of the Church and gave him the keys to Heaven, it is literally written in the bible - Matthew 16:19.
Of course, protestants always forget the Keys to Heaven part.
Therefore y'all believe that Christ called Peter the Rock
if you don't believe it, then do you not affirm it as true? i thought that was the standard catholic interpretation
@@dimitrimolotovvyacheslav4604 Everyone believes that Peter is called Peter. How can he be called otherwise?
@@dimitrimolotovvyacheslav4604⋅ If you know some Greek, you can get the pun. _“you are Peter,[Petros] & on this rock[petra] I will build my church”_ (petros= rock, stone, boulder / petra= rock formation, or stone as a building material). In the "Peshitta" (the aramaic traditional translation/version of the Bible) it's just "kefâ" (rock) for both.
@@dimitrimolotovvyacheslav4604 - It's not a belief. It's a fact.
I don't know how it works in Christianity but in Islam the 4+1 schools of thought aren't actual divisions in beliefs it's just in practice and the lines between them are blurry. So I'm not sure you can compare them to different churches in Christianity. For example it's ok to walk into a Hanafi mosque if you're a Hanbali and pray with them.
@MarkStein-n3r You're referring to the difference between Ash'arism and Salafism not the difference between Mathahib.
The division between Anglican, Lutheran & Presbyterian isn’t huge either
@@samr3012 But they are divisions. Different Mathahib aren't divisions. The difference between twelver Shia scholars is actually bigger.
Most Protestants get along with each other fine, the main differentiation is between Apostalics and Protestants, especially Catholics and Protestants.
I doubt Twelvers are accepted in Sunni Mosques in general too.
@@anonymousanon6913 You didn't understand my last sentence. I meant that the difference between twelver Shias is bigger than the difference between different madhdahib in Sunni Islam even though they (twelvers) are considered one sect.
+ Twelver Shias are welcome in Sunni mosques and vice versa but as a Shia you are not going to pray in a Sunni mosque yourself and the same goes with Sunnis.
American/Sierra Leonean Muslim here. Nice video Z, also keep up the good work. The Maliki school of thought,which dominates the majority of Western Africa and Northern Africa.. It was brought by Northern African and Turkish missionaries. It's the main school of thought in Sierra Leone 🇸🇱.
Roman Catholic Christian here! 🇵🇭✝️🇻🇦
hello while as an American convert to sunni Islam I understand that challenge of Arabic pronunciation however the term for the last imam is Mahdi not mahid
Ayup mate, just out of curiosity why did you choose to convert? I'm always interested in learning new perspectives on topics :)
Assalama'alaikum
Just to let you know, most groups mentioned in this video aren't even separate denominations.
Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi and Hanbali are just schools of thoughts. Salafi is just another school of thought which prefers to believe the Quran and Hadith more than anything else.
@@freddiemedley5580 the short answer is I found it's approach to monotheism most aligned with I already believed now this was 15 years ago and I came out of a sede vacante type sect I also studied all major or global religions prior to converting
Wish you guys would at least look at the laws of IsLame before “reverting”
Sharia is disgusting
I don't get why you would choose any man made sect when you can just follow Quran
This is a pretty good video I must say. I also wanna add that Islam has what I call it’s own equivalent to the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormonism) that being the Ahmadiyya sect which believes in another prophet after Muhammad.
Man at least so far the people here in the comments seem to get along thats nice.
Peace to all religions.
Praise to Allah
Google Al Fadi
Peace to you in the name of the Holy Spirit
قَٰتِلُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَلَا بِٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْءَاخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ ٱلْحَقِّ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُوا۟ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا۟ ٱلْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَٰغِرُونَ
God bless you, brother. Christ is King.
He was a normal human who ate ,got tired,got sad.@@Karlonstark
Can you do a video "what if european borders was divide because of ethno pluralism" please
Interesting! Love to learn more! Thanks For this z! ❤❤❤❤
Was not expecting this cross-over, nice to see
:)
One thing that I think Monsieur got wrong is that Madhabs are closer to the philosophy of law (not really a sect), think how one interprets the American constitution. You can't not have a madhab, otherwise where are you gonna goto court when you have an issue? A Hanafi court or a Maliki court, etc...? You could even make your own madhab if you were like a 200IQ lawyer or judge etc... For example, Imam Malik's student was Al-Shafi. His teacher was the founder of the Maliki school, and he after learning from his teacher created his own legal jurisprudence, the Shafi school. It's really just a philosophy of how one ought to interpret law, not sects. You could take the same legal philosophy and apply it to interpreting American law if you felt like it.
Al-Nu'man, nicknamed Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi school, was a student of Imam Jaafar Al-Sadiq, the founder of the Twelver Jaafari school
As a Muslim, I think it was kind of ironic to say that the Sunni Muslims are parallel with the Protestants. They call themselves Ahlus-Sunnah for a reason: they follow the Sunnah, which is the tradition from the Prophet Muhammad. Every school of Sunni thought follows hadith, and refusal to follow the Sunnah is seen by many to be heresy or even apostasy. I'm not sure there is a good way to parallel the sects of these two religions. Historically speaking, I would say it parallels the timeline of Catholicism, since it was the major group that continued to refine itself while the other sects broke away.
I'm glad someone else sees the connection between Sufis and Charismatics. I've said this for years lol.
It is very interesting. It makes perfect sense.
@@pre-debutera6941 Christian VS Islamic popular mystics
I've seen a video about Christianity or something like that and there was a church in which they repeated the word "Hu" multiple times. Apparently the man who made this church was in the middle east and probably witnessed a Sufi practice called "zikr" (its really just a Muslim practice but its more important in Sufi schools) and went back to America.
Zikr in Arabic means remembrance. Its basically the act of remembering Allah and mentioning him. Hu is one of his names. He has many names. Statements like "La illahe illallah" (there is no god but Allah) are also repeated, emphasizing monotheism. I'm wondering if these Charismatics do the same by any chance?
lol as a Muslim I never clicked this but yeah they are loony in the head sometimes
This a a crossover I didn't expect, but I'm happy for it.
I am not a sunni, nor a shia, nor a sufi. I am a muslim. Allah says to not divide urself into sects.
U didn't read about the prophecy where islam will split up into 73 sect?
@ just because it’s a prophecy doesn’t mean it is right. Just as a prophecy is that weak Muslims will follow dajaal. It’s not right but it will happen
Sunnis are the default. Shi’ism is basically a parallel tradition.
The most impressive vlog I have ever seen.
I really enjoyed this critical and detailed research of synchronising Islam (its different denomination)with Christianity (and its denominations)
Thanks.
Most of the objections you have raised are not just related to Ismailisum but they are based on Imami Shi'as doctrine (shared between 12ers and Ismailis)
I always knew Redeemed Zooms was a plan truster
I'm a whole anthropologist (speak Arabic, am Coptic, frequent West Asia) but I always say that anyone saying that conflicts are the primary contradiction in a conflict are badly informed. Its always something material but religion/culture/ethnicity are secondary or even tertiary contradictions that exasperate conflicts.
video starts 1:55
Correction. Madhabs are not sects, they're just different kinds of rules and ways and essentially they're the same. Like in this madhab they must but in the other madhabs it's not mandatory vice versa, theology and concept of god should be the same. They're based of the popular scholars that learnt and gathered various of hadith, that's why they're valued. There's no wrong if you follow this madhab or follow other madhab as they're not heretical and they don't literally change islam. But it's important for governments to know which madhab is popular in their country so they could know what is must and it's also to enforce the madhab, it's good to stick with one for those who only know the popular ones and not ready for the other ones.
It's true to almost all Christianity denoms because all have the same theology (sort of) but since Christianity is institutional in nature then automatically every different interpretation (including tradition, prayer, and salvation) leads to creation of new religion. This is true to Catholics, Orthodox, and most of Protestants, who all have the same understanding of Trinity.
@@8SugarRayRobinson8 interesting, but still sunnis admire each of the madhabs and not discriminate each of them (for scholars at least). To count a sect is when the religion takes a whole turn and very different with the other sects like shia, shia is an Islamic sect which has a very big influence from Ali. But I think it's also true if you count it as a denomination as you said. I mean madhabs literally means denoms. But our religion don't enforce denomination to be a thing, that's why most of us are really confused what does this video means cause we don't really care about different madhabs
@@8SugarRayRobinson8 Different interpretations does not always lead to a new religion meaningdisagreeing what God is, believing different prophets and using additional holy book or entirely different religious holy books. Denominations can be described more as Schools then sects.
comparing islamic sects to christian sects is the absurdest thing ever and causes more confusion than anything else
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Not really. They’re just pointing out which Islamic Denominations is similar to that of the Christian Denominations.
interesting claim, but who are you?
Not really, it gives a western audience more familiar with religious examples of their own countries and regions to compare to rather than just be told “x believes this” it’s simple comparative analysis for the sake of the example.
We, the Shiites of the Jaafariyya “Twelver Ash’ariyyah,” believe that Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi, “may God hasten his honorable appearance,” is not in hiding, but rather lives with us, seeing us while we do not see him. The Imam, peace be upon him, travels between the countries of the world, cities, and villages, and helps people and sees them, but we do not know. Just how he travels
Modification of Jafariya Ithna Ashariyya and why Ithana Ashariyyah
Lutheran here, I love seeing all of the loving comments. These days Christians and Muslims are so divided. We’re both Abrahamic religions, same God. Love thy brother peace to all❤️
Muslim here, I really appreciate your comment. I really do wish for it as well, but sadly it isn't always this way :(
May peace be upon you my Christian friend!
As a Muslim, I'm glad to see taking an interest in our history. Cheers to my fellow Christians. I hope you have a Merry Christmas
Utterly different religions lmao
@@jdools4744 Oh cool, we were having a very nice moment until you came along and ruined it. Thank you so much 🙏
The Sunni and Shia split was not about the religious faith or practice of Islam. We all believe that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah it was who should lead the state after the death of Muhammad peace be upon him the Shia say that the the direct descendants of him should lead which would have be the prophets nephew Ali ( who became caliph later ) the Sunni say that it should be who is most knowledgeable should lead
We dont talk about the Nation of Islam
What are you implying?
KSI is our one true savior, Amen 🙏🙏
❤❤❤ Amen!
Wait
KSI?Who tf watches this nigga anymore 💀@@Zack-xv2yc
@@blutimberryNation of Islam is a heretical movement in America.
@AntiFurryJihad🤣🤣🤣 cant stop laughing at them
Impressive video, you put some effort in making this one and it showed.
Awesome collab 💪
I never expected you two to do a crossover. It was good though.
wouldve made more sense if you got a Muslim to explain it.
I'm a muslim, I appreciate his effort so much and I think he did nicely
No
@@somebodyintheinternet5478same
Or at least someone who knew anything about the topic. Perhaps not a muslim as he is more likely biased.
@@authenticallysuperficial9874yeah somebody like Sam Shamoun)
I'm an Ahlul Hadith. Alhamdulillah
Do note that Sunna is another word for "Orthodox" both have same meaning of "the followers of the right bath".
Historically, Both sides had pretty good relations (most of the time, not all of it)
@AntiFurryJihadIran and Iraq have been majority Shia since the Buyid dynasty
this video is great , although thought provoking , i love the comparisons in this video!
This video is a frustrating oversimplification of Islamic sects and schools and their Christian analogies. Let me break it down:
1. Sunni Islam: The explanation here is okay-simplified, but what can you expect from a UA-cam video.
2. Madhabs and Fiqh: This is where the video starts to go wrong. The creator treats “madhab” and “fiqh” as synonyms, which is incorrect. Madhab refers to a school of thought, while fiqh translates to jurisprudence (the application of Islamic laws in practical contexts). There are nine madhabs historically, but only four are widely practiced today: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali. These were actually explained decently in the video, albeit briefly.
3. Salafi and Wahhabi Misrepresentation: The real issues arise here. The video misrepresents both as distinct madhabs, which they are not. Additionally, it fails to correctly distinguish or connect their historical and theological origins.
• Salafiyyah: Salafiyyah has two origins, often misunderstood:
a) The Egyptian Salafiyyah (associated with figures like Jalal-ad-Din al-Afghani, Mohamed Abduh, and Rashid Rida) emphasized the importance of ijtihad (independent reasoning) and a return to the foundational principles of Islam, rejecting blind adherence to scholars or institutions tied to political or social power.
b) The Saudi Salafiyyah (stemming from Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab and his successors) shares similar goals but is grounded in the movement led by Ibn Abdulwahhab. Both emphasize the need to avoid blind following and focus on the Qur’an and Sunnah, but their historical contexts differ.
Despite their differences, the core principle remains the same: Islam must be purified from innovations, and scholars should not be followed blindly. The Egyptian Salafiyyah did not call itself Salafiyyah; both movements was more about Usul al-Fiqh (principles of jurisprudence) and Qawa’id al-Fiqhiyyah (jurisprudential maxims), not about rejecting or forming madhabs.
Wahhabi is a pejorative term often used to describe Saudi Salafiyyah. Those within the movement do not identify with this label, as it’s derogatory and reductive.
National Contexts Are Irrelevant: I understand that terms like “Egyptian” and “Saudi” are being used here to describe origins, but it’s critical to clarify that Islam does not recognize national or ethnic boundaries in its religious framework. These terms refer to the geographical origins of these movements, not their adherents.
Overall, the video misses key nuances about how madhabs work, the distinction between Salafiyyah’s origins, and the historical and theological significance of these terms. If you’re going to simplify for UA-cam, at least get the basics right!
The division between Sunni and Shia Islam goes back to right after the death of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), not decades later. As the video itself mentioned earlier in its explanation of Sunni Islam, the primary issue was over who should succeed the Prophet as the leader of the Muslim community.
To simplify: Sunni Muslims supported Abu Bakr, while Shia Muslims believed Ali ibn Abi Talib, the Prophet’s cousin and son-in-law, was the rightful successor. This disagreement over leadership and authority is the real origin of the Sunni-Shia split, not the tragic events of Karbala, which occurred much later and further deepened the divide.
Also, it’s incorrect to say that only Shia Muslims venerate the family of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Sunni Muslims also deeply respect and love the Prophet’s family (Ahlul Bayt), and the tragedy of Karbala-where the Prophet’s grandson Hussain and his family were brutally martyred-is seen as a tragic and significant event by Sunnis as well. The difference lies more in theological interpretations , not in the lack of reverence.
It’s disappointing to see such an important historical context misrepresented. If you’re going to attempt to explain Islamic denominations, at least keep the timeline consistent with your own explanation of Sunni Islam!
Another thing this video misses is the fact that the real differences within Sunni Islam aren’t in the madhabs (like Hanafi, Shafi’i, etc.), because those are all about Fiqh (jurisprudence). As I said earlier, these schools just deal with practical matters-like how to pray or fast-and while they might disagree on small details, they all recognize each other as valid. No one is calling the others heretical over these differences.
The deeper divisions in Islam are actually in Aqeedah (theology/creed). This is where the big differences lie, and it’s not just between Sunni and Shia. Here’s a quick breakdown:
• Sunni Aqeedah:
Sunni theology is mainly split into three schools:
• Ash’ari and Maturidi: These are the dominant schools. They try to balance reason and revelation, and they interpret God’s attributes (like His hand, face, etc.) metaphorically to avoid anthropomorphism.
• Athari: This is a more literalist approach tied to the Hanbali madhab. They avoid metaphorical explanations and just take the texts as they are, leaving the meaning to God.
• Other Aqeedah Schools:
• Shia theology: Already explained earlier, but it focuses on the Imamate and the infallibility of the Imams, plus divine justice (Adalat).
• Ibadis: They’re different from Sunni and Shia, emphasizing strict monotheism, justice, and leadership based on merit, not lineage or political power.
• Mu’tazilis: They were super rationalist. They believed the Qur’an was created (not eternal), rejected any human-like descriptions of God, and placed a huge emphasis on free will and divine justice.
• Kharijites: They were strict and uncompromising, with a heavy focus on divine justice and rejecting leaders they deemed sinful.
The video completely skips over this and focuses way too much on madhabs when those differences are minor compared to the theological divides. If you’re going to explain Islamic denominations, at least mention Aqeedah, because that’s where the real diversity is. Okay I’m done
the connection from Mr z who I have watched for like 7 years, to now redeemed zoomer, who I watch debates of is wild.
My two interests colliding. Wild. (Although redeemed zoomer is a dirty prot ;)
Great video, loved the RZ collab, but was a little sad (as my dad is a Turkish Alevi) that Alevism wasn't mentioned, as it's a rather interesting syncretic Muslim sect, only found in Turkey, combining Muslim Bektashism with old Turkish traditions from Tengrism. They are also pretty much hated by all other Muslims and were heavily persecuted in the Ottoman Empire. They still face a lot of hard times in Turkey today so many of the Turks in Germany are Alevi.
Fascinating, I wasn't familiar with this group
The two best UA-camrs.
Zaydi here!
Non Denominational Shi'i, favour Zaydiyya. Very suprising to see a Zaydi here lol.
Salam alaikum, i would like to know do Zaydi’s accept Abu bakr, umar, uthman, Aisha and Muawiyah like us sunnis?
@ Walaykm Salam rahmatullahi barakatuh. There is a difference among the Zaydis about these figures. The majority of Zaydis including myself do tawwaquf regarding Abu Bakr, Umar and even Utthman which means we neither praise nor curse them, they had virtues for sure and were esteemed companions of the Prophet however they were in clear error in taking the caliphate from Imam Ali and not giving him his right when he was explicitly made the succesor by the Prophet and denying the Prophet’s command is a major sin. Hence they are sinners but we do not pass judgment on them, perhaps the honor and virtues of their companionship prevail and they are accepted to heaven perhaps not, there is a minority of Zaydis who are more Sunni like and praise Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman though still regard him as sinners they believe they were promised heaven and then there is an even smaller minority called Batris who accept the three caliphs and that they had to be caliphs because the Ummah was not willing to accept Imam Ali’s caliphate at the time. As for Hazrat Aisha she’s highly respected in Zaydism though she still made a huge mistake in rebelling against Amir Al Mumineen she did regret it and repent. As for Muawiya we do not like him because he cursed Imam Ali and was an enemy of his and the Prophet said whoever was Ali’s enemy was his enemy. Unlike the other three caliphs and Aisha in which there is possibility if not certainty they regretted their actions it’s very clear Muawiya to the very end reserved hatred towards Imam Ali such as breaking his deal he made with Imam Hasan and installing his own son as Caliph instead hence bringing nepotism to the Islamic ruling system and his caliphate was characterized by corruption and moral decay with Non Arab Muslims being unfairly oppressed.
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Wa Alaykumus salam wa rahmatullah
Zaydis accept Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman as pious rulers that were mistaken. Meaning that they committed mistakes and contradicted the Sunnah at times but are to be considered pious muslims, their caliphate is accepted.
No, Zaydis despise Muawiya for usurping the Caliphate and opposing Imam Ali bin Abi Talib and for the killing of Hujr bin Adi'. also dislike him for breaking the treaty with Imam Hassan bin Ali which lead to Muawiya appointing Yazeed, who was responsible for the killing of Imam Hussayn bin Ali. So yes Muawiya is very controversial and disliked by Zaydi Shi'ites.
Not to mention that Imam Zayd bin Ali from whom the Zaydis come from, was killed by the Umayyads for avenging the blood of Imam Hussayn.
As for Aisha, usually Zaydis favour her, it depends though. Some view her as mistaken but pious and preached the views of the Ahl Bayt and corrected the Sahaaba on their faulty narrating. Others though im not sure.
@@rayanmakarem4327 Jazakhallah thank you for sharing your knowledge May Allah bless you and your loved ones in this life & the hereafter 🤲
There is no sunni,shia,Ibadis and any other sects
“Indeed, you (O Prophet) are not responsible whatsoever for those who have divided their faith and split into sects. Their judgment rests only with Allah. And He will inform them of what they used to do”. (Qur'an 6:159)
The Quran also says in Surah Al-Imran, chapter 3, verse 103 to hold together to the rope of Allah and not be divided.
Making sects in the religion of Islam is strictly forbidden.
I Am From Bangladesh 🇧🇩 (World's 4th Largest Muslim Population) And Most Of Bangladeshis And Me Also Identify As Sunni Hanafi
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Now we need the video on Buddhist and Hindu denominations/sects
Coptic Christian here
You got a chart? I do not deny my heart greatly desires this…
Better choices for the guest than redeemed zoomer. Religious Sect Researcher on the channel "Ready to Harvest" would've been the ideal pick imo. Although if you do a Christian denomination one he would be peak.
4:00 Yes, these four are more like different schools than denominations.
They are all Sunni Muslims who respect and don't excommunicate eachothers.
And most of their differences are minor interpretations.
Also, I advise reading chapter 19 of the Quran.
Saint John of Damascus was a contemporary of the founding century of mohammedanism, and considered it to be the "heresy of the Ishmaelites". According to him and perhaps other contemporaries, mohammedanism is a Christian heresy, not a separate religion. His writings on it may be found in his monumental work, *The Fount of Knowledge*.
He was ignorant to the basics of Islam
John of Damascus was well known liar.
@@hazanaimon6458 debate christian prince bro just call him on his UA-cam channel and debate him bro don't run away bro debate bro