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Steve pls try using vark or super fine silver filigree foil between the die and the ihs. Its made of pure silver and may be soft enough and thin enough to provide good heat transfer to the ihs. I would have loved to try this myself but i donated my old pc already. Cheers.
If I understood the video correctly, the thickness of the layer between the die and spreader actually had to be a certain thickness to have good thermal conductivity, the issue was getting it thick enough (in factory pads, about 1mm) while his was just a ribbon thin layer of indium. Not the other way around.
Steve, glad no one was hurt in the fire. That could have been very deadly. Not only should you get a refund from the electrician, they should pay to restore everything.
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strange isnt it, especially since the "limited" bait is sooo effective :) well it worked on me anyways, especially considering i live on the other side of the globe from Yanks so just shipping will cost me about the same as decent shirt itself from the nearest local e-shop ... but im kinda down right now and wanted to blow some cash to flush some of that bad mood and i got to support our "Tech Jesus™" alittle also ... and the logo looks kinda cool in foil so ... :)
I'm an electrician, those guys are not electricians. They are clowns with pliers. You experienced an arc flash and luckily no one was within vicinity of the panel.
Im guessing someone is about to lose their license possibly, or at least have their business insurance rates go up; I don’t see how they aren’t fully liable for their shoddy ‘workmanship’. Glad steve and the business, his home is safe.
Right as I want to head to bed at 4:10am you shoot up a video. I guess it's the standard procedure - click the notification, leave the tab open along with the pc that runs anyway and watch tomorrow. I already left a like anyway, see you tomorrow, Steve!
Did I really see the article state "the employee used CCleaner to delete files before returning to his employer?" He deserves to be in prison for stupidity. Can that possibly be true? My 87 year old mother knows that's not going to wipe all info from a drive.
Pando CCleaner has a drive wipe feature,with two settings-once drive wipe or double secure wipe.More than good enough for ordinary consumers.Theres more to CCleaner than just the basic info cleaner and reg cleans,the drive wipe is more than good enough for private users.
To the CCleaner job applicants saying it has a drive wipe feature...yes,that's the entire point. An employee from a leading tech company dealing with stealing trade secrets DELETED FILES in CCleaner and the files were recovered, He didn't wipe the drive. Somewhere in your trolling maybe you can see the glaring irony in that.
They say bad things happen in 3s so I'll try not to be shocked or devastated when Steve appears for the live stream with a crew cut because his hair was ripped off by an EVGA fan gone berserk.
1:39 That is a valuable lesson for everyone; when you have anyone do work for you to give it a look over after even if you don't know anything about it you'll see obvious things that are wrong.
He probably won't need to. Claim the damage to your home insurance, and let the insurance companys lawyers plow that "electrician" into the ground. He has a business to run.
Glad the fire wasn’t serious and no one got hurt, especially as it’s your house. You sure the electrician wasn’t a fan of an item you reviewed badly ;) Glad your still in business as your the best for proper in-depth reviews that dig deep
Awesome video as always, glad you guys are safe, as well as GN Headquarters! Those electricians should get in some sort of trouble for this, something that fits their negligence. I certainly wouldn't trust them with wiring things after this... what if someone was hurt or they did this in a school or hospital or something? (not that it wasn't serious enough already) Just ridiculous.
Square D ain't all that. Google their disconnect recall. Over one million possibly affected units. Eaton ftw! Old challenger main lug panel. If it ain't broke or FP, don't fix it, but dear god don't add to it!
Back in January 2016 I bought 2 X 8 GB = 16 GB of that same ram for $96.29! I want to swap for 2 X 16 GB = 32 GB. But I'm not paying these prices! 18:10
Idk if it has been always like this, but the 2D overlays are mostly blurry. I mean things like the editors name in the beginning and the overview as seen at 4:08
Glad the electrical fire was contained in the panel. We had a transformer arc out a few days ago so I know all about the light and sound show electricity will make. Hey, on that table under the mod-mat - that table is wobbly. Every time you touch it, it and everything on it shakes. If you need some help let me know. I would be happy to stop by and fix it.
at 12:17 you mention that the performance gains from liquid metal are due to minimizing the thickness of the interface material between the IHS and the die. Would it be more efficient to grind down the outer edges of the IHS to the point where the contact is primarily the centre portion of the IHS directly to the die? Wouldnt this literal direct contact theoretically improve heat transfer rather than having to be spread through an additional medium?
Since you most likely need to get a new breaker panel, consider getting a larger one as far as slots, and avoid using those double density breakers. If you get close to the rating on both circuits, they are more likely to blow early, as well as putting wires closer to each other on different phases, making another arc flash event more likely. I also recommend considering using your main panel for home and livability related stuff, and getting a sub-panel to run testing and video hardware. If you put the sub-panel in the studio, then you can throw the master breaker for the sub panel should an individual piece of equipment (and the breaker protecting it) fail. Should you have an uncontained failure on a circuit on the sub panel, you can throw the master breaker in the main panel. It also means that it is much less likely for your overall master breaker to trip, which will keep lighting and aircon on in the house, and make fixing anything easier. (also, make sure that strain reliefs are installed in the breaker panels, and are properly rated to contain the a fire. Properly installed breaker panels will contain arc flashes or fire without it escaping for a surprisingly long time) Stay safe, and keep producing great videos and reviews.
If I remember correctly, it was the PSU that died in the NAS, right? Doesn't seem unlikely that the electrical issue might have killed it. Were you running the NAS off of a UPS?
FINALLY someone is making their aluminum sinks black. It's a trick I learned decades ago on high end audio power amplifiers. You take off the heatsink, paint everything except where the transistors touch with flat black paint and you can gain up to 10% efficiency. I've never been able to figure out why no one has been doing that with CPU and GPU coolers when it's a pretty cheap and easy way to gain efficiency. If you want to go into how it works Google "Black Body radiation"
Me: "Steve, I will never ever use an unlicensed electrician again. Thanks for showing how important skilled, licensed, electricians are." Also Me: "I can install that myself."
WOW!!! That's all I've got about the breaker panel. They were Apple technicians weren't they. :-P Another great video, Steve. Thank you for all your selfless hard work.
Hehe.. gee.. is the first name of the electrician called Mehdi and does he have a long brow and everything he touches goes BOOM! Glad you guys are up and running.
i am mesmerized every time i watch by that old looking machine on the 2nd to top shelf all the way on the left. what is that thing with the scrolling green dot and where did you get one?
I would imagine that the new higher thermal conductivity semiconductor material is primarely ment for high voltage /power FET's (to be used in AC/DC conversion in a main powergrid, or as solid state relays or in inverters etc), rather than microprocessor dies or IC's...
I am glad no one was hurt by this, it could have been a lot worse. Please don't just get a refund, the whole repair job should be PAID by the electrician and his insurance. If he doesn't I hope you are taking that electrician to court. This was gross negligence on the electricians part. But only if the business refuses to fix and replace all damaged parts. I guess if your insurance company could do the repairs, then they could go after the electrician. But then your company would end up paying the higher insurance rates.
The boron-arsenide might be well used to make semi-conductors in thermoelectric Peltier/Seebeck modules. A lot better efficiency, especially for Seebeck most likely.
Arctic Cooling released a similar fanless heatsink design for AMD Kabini, the Arctic Cooling Alphine M1-Passive. I have one on a 5350, it was fairly cheap (£14) and it works well.
Der8auer researched this stuff years ago in the ivy-haswell days. I remember reading his forum posts about it. Not sure why he waited till now to make a video.
I think you need to do a video testing your cat. Thermal readings after a nap, thermal readings after chasing a catnip filled mouse for 15 mins and thermal readings when trying to scratch the neighbours dogs eyes out. Then you could run a test to see the static discharge when the cat has been running over a carpet for a few hours, purely to see if there is any danger of a cats static discharge wrecking a 18core intel cpu? ;)
Sorry about the missing clip in the beginning! Pretend it's a TITAN V! That's what it was.
Grab a GN LTD Edition shirt before they're gone. We are closing orders tomorrow! store.gamersnexus.net/products/ltd-edition-foil-tear-down-tshirt
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STREAM ON YT AT 6PM EST 7/11.
Steve, you gotta get a good EDC pocket knife if its going to be on the channel. lol but yea, check some of mine out on yt. or check my instagram
Steve pls try using vark or super fine silver filigree foil between the die and the ihs. Its made of pure silver and may be soft enough and thin enough to provide good heat transfer to the ihs. I would have loved to try this myself but i donated my old pc already. Cheers.
Yeah right Steve! Tell the truth! You were trying to overclock a 28 core Intel CPU!
If I understood the video correctly, the thickness of the layer between the die and spreader actually had to be a certain thickness to have good thermal conductivity, the issue was getting it thick enough (in factory pads, about 1mm) while his was just a ribbon thin layer of indium.
Not the other way around.
That's what you get when you edit off a failing NAS
Steve, glad no one was hurt in the fire. That could have been very deadly. Not only should you get a refund from the electrician, they should pay to restore everything.
"In highly thermally sensitive scenarios, like in a spaceship, or Intel i9 CPU. They're about the same, really."
SlavjanA rekt Intel right there. really like those side blows
Handy little shortcuts:
@1:12 GN News
@4:22 AMD Licensing Deal
@6:22 Taiwan alleges theft
@9:39 Soldered CPU
@12:49 Cooling Materials
@14:14 Vega for Laptops
@15:47 Workstation Performance for GPUs
@16:32 AM4 Passive Coolers
@17:02 HW Sales
May our framerates be high and our temperatures be low!
🙏
thanks for the time stamp
Oh my God, marry me. 😍
May our clock rates be high and latency be low.
Thank you
Woah WTF, a video with you NOT telling us about the shiney limited edition gamers Nexus shirt? I'm lost :(
strange isnt it, especially since the "limited" bait is sooo effective :)
well it worked on me anyways, especially considering i live on the other side of the globe from Yanks so just shipping will cost me about the same as decent shirt itself from the nearest local e-shop ...
but im kinda down right now and wanted to blow some cash to flush some of that bad mood and i got to support our "Tech Jesus™" alittle also ... and the logo looks kinda cool in foil so ... :)
I'm an electrician, those guys are not electricians. They are clowns with pliers. You experienced an arc flash and luckily no one was within vicinity of the panel.
Thanks for the terminology, that's helpful. The firefighters actually had to cut the electricity at the transformer, from what we understand.
I’m usually the last person defending “first responders” but this seems a little uncalled for
Im guessing someone is about to lose their license possibly, or at least have their business insurance rates go up; I don’t see how they aren’t fully liable for their shoddy ‘workmanship’.
Glad steve and the business, his home is safe.
Gamers Nexus you need to sue the pants of those guys.
Free Nicks huh? What's uncalled for?
Thanks a ton for the shout-out, Steve, and thanks also for not dying in a fire!
13:57 I wish I got a warning before you fired off those shots lol.
Right as I want to head to bed at 4:10am you shoot up a video. I guess it's the standard procedure - click the notification, leave the tab open along with the pc that runs anyway and watch tomorrow. I already left a like anyway, see you tomorrow, Steve!
See you then!
Did I really see the article state "the employee used CCleaner to delete files before returning to his employer?" He deserves to be in prison for stupidity. Can that possibly be true? My 87 year old mother knows that's not going to wipe all info from a drive.
Yep! You read it correctly! We also found that amusing.
sbcontt YT I doubt they waited long enough for that to run, though.
Pando CCleaner has a drive wipe feature,with two settings-once drive wipe or double secure wipe.More than good enough for ordinary consumers.Theres more to CCleaner than just the basic info cleaner and reg cleans,the drive wipe is more than good enough for private users.
To the CCleaner job applicants saying it has a drive wipe feature...yes,that's the entire point. An employee from a leading tech company dealing with stealing trade secrets DELETED FILES in CCleaner and the files were recovered, He didn't wipe the drive. Somewhere in your trolling maybe you can see the glaring irony in that.
i find it amusing you know all about motherboards and know jack shit about the breaker board in yer house...
They say bad things happen in 3s so I'll try not to be shocked or devastated when Steve appears for the live stream with a crew cut because his hair was ripped off by an EVGA fan gone berserk.
15:48 I'm gonna cry! I've been waiting for something like this for ages!
Circuit breaker missed 4th of July.
13:55 You made my day Steve.
I'm new to this channel and just love your dedication and depth of articles. This is how to do a tech channel. Brilliant stuff
1:39 That is a valuable lesson for everyone; when you have anyone do work for you to give it a look over after even if you don't know anything about it you'll see obvious things that are wrong.
Sue the electrician ;) But seriously glad you guys are okay & the house didn't burn down!
He probably won't need to.
Claim the damage to your home insurance, and let the insurance companys lawyers plow that "electrician" into the ground.
He has a business to run.
Glad the fire wasn’t serious and no one got hurt, especially as it’s your house. You sure the electrician wasn’t a fan of an item you reviewed badly ;)
Glad your still in business as your the best for proper in-depth reviews that dig deep
I would like to request Snowflake merch. This would complete my life.
GN mugs with Snowflake on = the win!
This episode was 🔥 ....but seriously glad no one was harmed. Well done to the Firefighters for cleaning up the death trap left by the electricians.
Steve, Thank you for doing what you do. You bring the real hardcore tech to UA-cam.
Yes! I will be there 3pm sharp, I will also be overclocking my 8086k as well, :) what a treat thanks. Glad all is well at GN headquarters.
I am so glad you are all ok regarding the fire... Scary stuff
Dat RSoD tho
Ooooh, I felt that sick burn at 13:55
I love the subtitle shots fired at Intel's i9 @ 13:50 😂
Steve, come on, be honest did you push the voltage too far for RIPLTT 2.0 and blaming electrician??
Either that or someone turned on an i9. :D
He tried to cool an i9 28 core at 5GHz.
The breaker is supposed to be there for those over current cases.
It looks like they put too much load for the breaker to handle it, well out of spec. In other words whoever did it was a fucking cowboy.
Awesome video as always, glad you guys are safe, as well as GN Headquarters! Those electricians should get in some sort of trouble for this, something that fits their negligence. I certainly wouldn't trust them with wiring things after this... what if someone was hurt or they did this in a school or hospital or something? (not that it wasn't serious enough already) Just ridiculous.
3:35 Where's the photo of the new shiny box ?
Sheeeet man! Glad no one was hurt, and all safe! 😍
IMHO, you should go with Square D loadcenters, and breakers. GFCI etc... and also a main breaker that would have avoided all that.
Square D ain't all that. Google their disconnect recall. Over one million possibly affected units. Eaton ftw!
Old challenger main lug panel. If it ain't broke or FP, don't fix it, but dear god don't add to it!
Was the NAS killed by the breaker shortage? As it was a power supply issue...
Is everything valuable on a UPS ; any issues with it?
Dat spaceship vs i9 analogy. Shots fired!
I think you honked up the timestamp list text, it's a lot more blurry than the previous one. Yes I'm viewing in 1080p.
We rendered in 1080p instead of 4K. That's what you're seeing. Had issues with rendering all day, gave up and went for 1080p to get it done.
1:39 That's why you make sure electrical work gets inspected.
Oh man! Good to hear that electrical issue and arcing did not escalate before firemen could take care of everything
Really glad GN didn't burn down! You all do a great work
Back in January 2016 I bought 2 X 8 GB = 16 GB of that same ram for $96.29! I want to swap for 2 X 16 GB = 32 GB. But I'm not paying these prices! 18:10
Idk if it has been always like this, but the 2D overlays are mostly blurry. I mean things like the editors name in the beginning and the overview as seen at 4:08
15:57 😂😂😂
@13:54 Everybody who watches this video should give it a thumb-up for that poke at Intel. :-)
Glad the electrical fire was contained in the panel. We had a transformer arc out a few days ago so I know all about the light and sound show electricity will make. Hey, on that table under the mod-mat - that table is wobbly. Every time you touch it, it and everything on it shakes. If you need some help let me know. I would be happy to stop by and fix it.
i bought a view 71 RGB after watching your review :D
Whoa, glad nobody got injured. They should compensate you guys big time and doing it right this time.
That media offline graphic tho
All the pictures displayed on the video look super low res? What happened?
Why is the overlay so blurry?
at 12:17 you mention that the performance gains from liquid metal are due to minimizing the thickness of the interface material between the IHS and the die. Would it be more efficient to grind down the outer edges of the IHS to the point where the contact is primarily the centre portion of the IHS directly to the die? Wouldnt this literal direct contact theoretically improve heat transfer rather than having to be spread through an additional medium?
Since you most likely need to get a new breaker panel, consider getting a larger one as far as slots, and avoid using those double density breakers. If you get close to the rating on both circuits, they are more likely to blow early, as well as putting wires closer to each other on different phases, making another arc flash event more likely.
I also recommend considering using your main panel for home and livability related stuff, and getting a sub-panel to run testing and video hardware. If you put the sub-panel in the studio, then you can throw the master breaker for the sub panel should an individual piece of equipment (and the breaker protecting it) fail. Should you have an uncontained failure on a circuit on the sub panel, you can throw the master breaker in the main panel. It also means that it is much less likely for your overall master breaker to trip, which will keep lighting and aircon on in the house, and make fixing anything easier. (also, make sure that strain reliefs are installed in the breaker panels, and are properly rated to contain the a fire. Properly installed breaker panels will contain arc flashes or fire without it escaping for a surprisingly long time)
Stay safe, and keep producing great videos and reviews.
You guys need to get an office soon.
Working on it.
If I remember correctly, it was the PSU that died in the NAS, right? Doesn't seem unlikely that the electrical issue might have killed it. Were you running the NAS off of a UPS?
13:55 Oh shit! Take cover! Shots fired!!!!
FINALLY someone is making their aluminum sinks black. It's a trick I learned decades ago on high end audio power amplifiers. You take off the heatsink, paint everything except where the transistors touch with flat black paint and you can gain up to 10% efficiency. I've never been able to figure out why no one has been doing that with CPU and GPU coolers when it's a pretty cheap and easy way to gain efficiency. If you want to go into how it works Google "Black Body radiation"
Oh Shit! Glad you all ok!
Happy you are OK. That's some spooky shit.
Me: "Steve, I will never ever use an unlicensed electrician again. Thanks for showing how important skilled, licensed, electricians are." Also Me: "I can install that myself."
So glad you guys are all safe after the near fire. What morons to mess that up. (The electrician to clarify)
that "media offline" screen gets me triggered
Pretend it's a TITAN V. That one is related to the Synology NAS going down. A week of problems!
WOW!!! That's all I've got about the breaker panel. They were Apple technicians weren't they. :-P Another great video, Steve. Thank you for all your selfless hard work.
Hehe.. gee.. is the first name of the electrician called Mehdi and does he have a long brow and everything he touches goes BOOM!
Glad you guys are up and running.
I loved those H500P videos.
is there any scenario where a DIY soldered chip (ignoring the costs and assuming it has been done successfully) is better than a DIY LM?
that is a factor where LM is better. but my question was if there was any OTHER factor whether solder was better than LM
14:05 A ghost and it's little brother is haunting Steve!
Why is the text blurry and lowres but the video footage isn't?
That breaker panel is why you are supposed to have an inspector go over it afterwards.
I just love the occasional rost about the i9 hotness
I laughed way too hard at the Core i9 vs. Space Ship joke. 😂
i am mesmerized every time i watch by that old looking machine on the 2nd to top shelf all the way on the left. what is that thing with the scrolling green dot and where did you get one?
I have to ask. What is the carpenters hammer on the wall for? :)
I would imagine that the new higher thermal conductivity semiconductor material is primarely ment for high voltage /power FET's (to be used in AC/DC conversion in a main powergrid, or as solid state relays or in inverters etc), rather than microprocessor dies or IC's...
Is it just me or are the time stamps really blurry?
where is the link to the soldering video?
Is it just me, or is the time stamp panel (no idea what it is actually called) blurry?
What really has me excited is the Helios Predator 700, with a desktop *Ryzen* CPU and a *MXM* *Vega*
Glad everyone is ok. Panels and walls can be replaced but not you, Steve!
I am glad no one was hurt by this, it could have been a lot worse. Please don't just get a refund, the whole repair job should be PAID by the electrician and his insurance. If he doesn't I hope you are taking that electrician to court. This was gross negligence on the electricians part. But only if the business refuses to fix and replace all damaged parts. I guess if your insurance company could do the repairs, then they could go after the electrician. But then your company would end up paying the higher insurance rates.
The boron-arsenide might be well used to make semi-conductors in thermoelectric Peltier/Seebeck modules. A lot better efficiency, especially for Seebeck most likely.
Do you ever turn off that oscilloscope or is it just always on?
Arctic Cooling released a similar fanless heatsink design for AMD Kabini, the Arctic Cooling Alphine M1-Passive. I have one on a 5350, it was fairly cheap (£14) and it works well.
Are you going to pursue legal action for damages in regards to the electrical fire?
please review some seasonic power supplies in the future
Glad you guys didn't burn down.... what a week you have had :\
13:55 - Savage Nexus strikes again 😁
What would happen if you directly attached an external heat spreader to the cpu die instead of reattaching the ihs?
I'm not an electrician, (yet) but aren't you supposed to put higher amperage breakers towards the top?
why no 4k today? or is it still processing?
Table of contents blurry for anyone else?
those angry pixies sure make a mess when they escape the wires! make sure you hire a licensed pixie wrangler next time!
Der8auer researched this stuff years ago in the ivy-haswell days. I remember reading his forum posts about it. Not sure why he waited till now to make a video.
Glad you guys didn't burn down . There should be some legal ramifications for the electrical company to pay for from all this .
I hope you are going to get compensated by the Company that put the breakers in....
Samsung, Micron, SK Hynix: “WTF China?”
China: “Nanya Business”
why gn using nzxt case as breakers box?
Wow! Steve that's awful mate, glad you , mrs and cats are OK!!
Much better sponsor plug. I'm gonna say it. The Thermal Grizzly plug makes me cringe every time.
15:55 Spotted!
You are well informed so i got to ask is there anything superior to x86 or will there be anything to replace it soon and why ?
I know it's not an Ask GN video, but could you do a video about the channels history, when and why you started, when it got big, etc.
I'd like to have a link to that solder video.
ua-cam.com/video/5lA0DnoNR-w/v-deo.html
I think you need to do a video testing your cat. Thermal readings after a nap, thermal readings after chasing a catnip filled mouse for 15 mins and thermal readings when trying to scratch the neighbours dogs eyes out. Then you could run a test to see the static discharge when the cat has been running over a carpet for a few hours, purely to see if there is any danger of a cats static discharge wrecking a 18core intel cpu? ;)