I don’t know why everyone doesn’t know kaioken it would help a lot of the side characters so much💯 Edit: just seen the 300 likes after a year thanks guys lol
Super Saiyan blue evolution would matter. If Super Saiyan Blue 20x is the same as Super Saiyan Blue evolution, they can master blue evolution and stack it with kaioken.
I've been wanting to tell your for ages that vegeta black's outfit is inaccurate as it was based off of Goku's Gi. i feel like he'd have a black outfit of the vegeta outfit.
Well it makes a slight bit of sense I’m rewatching this a few months later lol but Zamasu chose that Gi. He stayed in the same clothes when he wished to be Goku Black he had the same Kai clothes so it kinda makes sense a bit I guess?
It is such a waste that no one ever bothered to ask “ok... so... súper saiyan 3 is bad in general... but what if instead of just saying it is bad... you mastered it like you did with 1 or 2? That way it would be more reliable and you could stack things above it making you insanly strong”
He probably means in canon. Well Super Saiyan 3 is quite literally unperfectable because of how much energy is there, and the form can’t be stabilized per se without destroying your body. The only way this is possible is by being dead where you don’t run out of energy and your body is more durable. By the time they should be strong enough to handle it, they don’t need it anymore. Plus if they did perfect it then what, it still becomes useless when Beerus rolls on with God Ki.
Tan Enzo yeah I guess you are right... but still would be nice to be able to rely on it without drawbacks just to have another step to be able to stand on while they pace themselves, besides... the form is so buried that not even gotenks uses it anymore because of how useless it is... it would be nice for goku gotenks and vegeta to be able to use it so we can see more of the actual power the form grants without needing to use it sporadically or holding back, if they did perfect it, it would be a good way to show off and have fun (which saiyans do a lot of) since to be honest, all forms are useless since you have súper saiyan god and blue which by now could safe to say are the only ones that goku and vegeta actually need... so, for them to have súper saiyan 3 perfected would be a good way to tell their opponents “congratulations you are stronger than average but not strong enough for me to bother to turn god so imma just use this instead to intimidate you and have fun with my amazing mortal power”... cause we know that if the form had no drawbacks, vegeta would be spamming súper saiyan 3 just because of his ego, and goku would have fun with its power since he usually does have fun at the start of fights by pacing himself without going full out to finish the fight
@@diobrando7774 makes sense... puts you to wonder.... why do the decide to use designs so hard to draw when they know they have to draw it over and over and over and over and over.... man... puts you to reflect how much time and effort is put into jojo's since the way they detail things is.... just wow
This actually makes sense after the beating that Goku did to him after the Saiyan Saga. He would say "Ok you cheated and won, congrats! . . . BUT I CAN DO BETTER!!!!"
Great video Salad. I never even thought about there being a Vegeta Black from Vegeta getting Kaioken. Such a butterfly effect. Do you think you could do what if Krillin killed Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga? I think that would really change the timeline even if it’s only a mini what-if.
Vegeta, in a very matter of fact tone, says one thing Vegeta: "Kaioken" Vegeta Black: "Kaio-what?" *Vegeta Black then proceeded to get decked in the schnoz*
I would actually disagree with broly going unconscious. I think this would just push him to go fullpower super saiyan making goku and vegeta to teleport to piccolo and the fight with broly and gogeta would be the same except shorter.
@Prime Gaming how was he wrong. Broly subconsciously restricted his own power and the more you push him the angrier he got which got rid of said restrictions. So unless Vegeta could 1-shot Broly which is unlikely because Ikari Broly was equal to Blue Goku, and SSJ being 50X stronger than Blue kaiokenX20 giving him access to Full Power SSJ which is far more than 100X Blue. Gogeta was equal to Blue Goku meaning it was basically Blue Goku stacked by Blue Goku in terms of power. So if FP SSJ Broly wasn’t able to even touch Blue Gogeta but was to strong for Gogeta to even question SSJG it’s safe to assume that Broly was far more than a simple 100X Blue Goku at that moment. So for the split second Broly was outmatched for he basically unlocks FP SSJ. The only change from the original would be Frieza actually dies fairly quickly and Whis effortlessly dodges for just a little while longer. I just find it weird how Broly unlocks his power but Salad constantly claims someone who isn’t massively stronger than full power Broly knocks him out. Like Carthu gets a pass with GOD Goku because that version was stronger than current Manga UI Goku who is already in a different realm than Broly.
Nah I think this would kill Broly tbh. In the movie blue kaioken and blue evolution was not even used. Ssj Broly is only like 40-50x stronger than blue goku, so kaioken x 100 out of both goku in vegeta should kill him, as I don’t think he would have enough time to adapt and transform to Fssj. Keep in mind this goku and vegeta would be stronger than the one from canon as well.
@@plazmasix6694 in the what if they used it for x100, I’m not talking about the canon x20. That’s the max that we know of because it’s never gone higher it’s never been confirmed. Regardless he has it at x100 against Broly which is more than enough to kill a ssj Broly, especially since both of them are x100. Heck x40 from both of them could honestly kill Broly in ssj.
@@jadonrahman not really as broly and Super Saiyan should be able to contend with base to Super Saiyan gogeta and no, a kaioken x100 would not be enough. Even so all that they would be doing is pushing broly to his full powered State and that would just lead them to turning into gogeta anyway.
@@rachitsrivastav Ssbe equals Ssb kaiokenx20 so combining mastered ssbe plus kaioken x20 equals ssb kaioken x 400 so he’d have trouble with him and add zenkais to that
Idk, I think including Z would have been better. During Namek we can have him literally just experiment to copy Kaioken the same way he just sort of naturally picked up energy sensing. I know that Kaioken is more complicated, but it would make the Namek saga a hell of a lot different.
I love the idea. My only critique would be that learning Kaioken would alter from Vegeta's archetype. Goku's power set is amalgamation of multiple Masters. Every time he progressed Vegeta on the other hand made a way for himself.
Imagine Vegitto vs Fused Zamasu Vegitto: turns SSJ blue KK x100 Zamasu: You think this can defeat me morta- Zamasus speech is stoped as his whole upper body is destroyed by Vegittos final kamehameha
Hey imagine if they had wished that anyone who enters the time chamber becomes immortal they can train for thousands of years and when the leave the chamber they become mortal again
You could have used Perfected Super Saiyan Blue with the Aura of Blue compatible with Kaioken technique all mix within the body as long as the aura is within the body Kaioken will be mixed with that hidden aura. Making Perfected SSB Kaioken.
Kaioken in general suits Vegeta way more in the curent situation with them,Goku with Ultra Instinct,calm and collected,and Vegeta,the complete opposite,with SSBE (he would still get the form and master it) and kaioken stacked on top of it
Vegeta spontaneously learning the Kaioken in the Saiyan Saga actually _does_ have a little bit of circumstantial evidence: he spontaneously learned how to sense energy in canon, despite not having any immediately-obvious reason for doing so. Maybe instead of that, he could mimic the Kaioken...? But then, without the ability to sense energies, his scouter might not be enough to put him in the right places at the right times, so the Namek Saga could look *slightly* different, relying more on Vegeta as Krillin or Gohan bite the dust earlier than in canon.
Once he starts learning techniques and not trying to be more powerful but be a better fighter better with his energy then I could see Goku suggesting the abilities training to get KO Ken has given him and his body every time he's ever almost killed himself is giving him you know multipliers drums and caboose we says it would be helpful to a point with Vegeta it's good for training but most battles it probably wouldn't be useful so Vegeta thinks about it and learns to koken but mostly for training a little boost here and there and we says the best thing to do is use it in a final attack which would mean the kochem would get perfected which means there's a new thing and eventually somebody tells them there's a new form of ko Ken instead of being red it's a different color so it could like reset multipliers and until you perfect KO Ken you can't use the next stage of koken there's just it's just not feasible because your body is going to be torn apart if it isn't ready okay is good for training because it has the ability to boost your you know body cuz you're saying and he's like oh maybe that's why kakarot seems to pass me so much his body has more multipliers I also think they need to do a final battle with a choose a deserted planet and Goku and Vegeta truly fight to see who the winner is getting weast to agree that it's to the death and we agrees to bring back from the dead Goku makes a stipulation from the fact that he would have been there before to allow him to stay there for one month after death that's the agreement the loser has to stay in the afterlife for one month you know Goku would be the one to no matter what when because Vegeta would just be punished weese starts to wonder about Vegeta's punishment meaning he probably would consider going to talk to King Yama about having a sentence reduced in hell meaning but you is a fighter even if he doesn't go to the heaven battles maybe there's something in between he can go to some place where he can fight as just a plain warrior not officially getting into heaven but given the opportunity Vegeta would just fight the afterlife I truly think this would work
My only "major" gripe with this (and it's really not major at all) is that all this scenario does is replace Goku's wins with Vegeta's wins. Honestly? Not a BAD more, but there's no particular reason why they HAD to more that way. So honestly, not really anything to say. I will say though that I would NOT push Kaioken past a 20 times multiplier (personally). Honestly, I KNOW that there's no reason it CAN'T go higher, BUT there's also no evidence in-canon that it can. (Sure there's that moment in the Lord Slug Movie, and there might be something in some of the games, but nothing pure stock canon.) As for what I'd "like" to see, is maybe something like a slightly delayed, and extended Namek Arc. Something where Frieza does NOT immediately hear about the Dragonballs, Vegeta's spaceship is damaged, and so he stays and trains with them here. The scenario would be something like this... During the initial conversation of Raditz with Piccolo and Goku, they don't mention the Dragonballs, but Raditz mentions that IF Goku proved his worth as a Saiyan warrior by killing him, Vegeta and Nappa would be coming to collect him instead, as they still needed help. Scouter gets damaged, or removed to protect it from damage, and they fight, Raditz dies, no communications, Saiyans on the way. Goku still dies and learns Kaioken, and everything else progresses as normal, but now Vegeta and Nappa actually TALK with the Z team a bit. They explain that while they personally love fighting, they don't really care to squish weak opponents, but instead prefer to fight strong guys. So what Frieza has them doing by going around the various planets and just killing the locals, isn't really what they want to do. They still have their orders, and they can't disobey Frieza, or they'll be dog-meat, so while it's kinda distasteful, they're still gonna have to kidnap Kakarot, and Gohan, and take over the planet as per ordered. After which, MOST of the fight still goes the same. MAYBE Vegeta kills Nappa, or maybe Nappa just barely survives the blast, either way, that's your choice. Assume Piccolo still dies, meaning Namek is required. Goku still uses Kaioken to beat Vegeta though. Which peaks Vegeta's interest. This is a power that might be able to level the playing field against Frieza. He mentions Frieza's empire, and the powerful enemies in the Universe that stand far above him, which only heightens Goku's drive to defeat Vegeta, as now he has other villains to worry about afterwards. Vegeta's ship is damaged during the fracas, and so he can't leave to get healed. Instead, he gets medical treatment similar to Goku, but mentions that "healing pods" exist, and that there is information about them in the data banks of his ship. Bulma is able to replicate the technology pretty quickly, along with gravity training, and so BEFORE the Sensu beans are fully grown again, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and any surviving Z-Warriors, are all very close to 100G's. Goku and Vegeta specifically would have gotten a LOT of zenkai's and learned many techniques from one another, and after several Zenkai's , and heavy-gravity training, Goku would have caught up to Vegeta's base, all while Goku is trying to teach Vegeta the Kaioken. Training-Arc ensues, Vegeta and Goku train against one another repeatedly, getting Zenkai's thanks to the healing pod, and even Gohan is able to catch up, being trained by both Vegeta, and Goku. Any surviving humans are hard-pressed to keep up with the intensity of the work-out, but as Goku was teaching Kaioken, they woulda caught on too, and so would have achieved a comparable level of power eventually. The new space-ship is built, WAY bigger than any of the regular Capsule Corp ships, more like Frieza's ship, with parts from the Namekian vessel, and Vegeta and Nappas pods, and also some Capsule Corp tech. They still end up going to Namek, but it would be a VERY different story without Frieza destroying the place, and so I imagine it would be mostly smooth sailing, making three wishes to wish back Piccolo, Chaiotzu, and Tien. (Possibly Yamcha with the Earth balls later, if he died?). And it should be pretty smooth sailing... With the short caveat that they all get their powers unlocked by Guru, as they're off to try and save the Galaxy from an evil Tyrant. Even Vegeta, as Guru has no evidence that Vegeta's change of heart isn't real. We might instead use the third wish to bring Piccolo to Namek, and use the Earth balls to wish both Tien and Yamcha back, as they hadn't been brought back via the Dragonballs yet. In that case, Piccolo would be able to get HIS powers unlocked too via Guru, and would spend some time with his Namekian people training. Also Piccolo could join in with Kaioken and gravity training, so he'd actually be pretty much on par with the Saiyans, or even higher! (Likely higher once he masters Kaioken). Then they bring the fight to Frieza and King Cold, at which point they'd all be a lot stronger than they WERE back on Earth, but honestly? Not a MASSIVE amount stronger than they were in the original series, but instead they'd have a REASON for the massive stupid gains than the writers of Dragonball included during the Namek Arc. Even though they wouldn't be MASSIVELY overpowered in comparison, Goku would be only roughly equivalent to where he was during the fight with Frieza, and Vegeta and Piccolo would both be equal, or better than that (While using Kaioken). Gohan would be way behind, but rage-boosts would equal the ground if needed, so he's on mostly equal footing. Piccolo would have the best technique, followed by Goku, but Vegeta's intelligence would make him a pretty formidable opponent too. The humans would be lagging behind by this time, but I don't think it'd be ANYWHERE like how far behind they were in the original story! From there, I'd probably explore the Galaxy a bit to try and track down Frieza, introduce the Machine-Mutants, maybe go grab Tarble, POSSIBLY find things like Vampa or Yardrat, the sky's the limit! Eventually getting to Frieza, LIKELY activating Super-Saiyan, (not mandatory, but likely) although that might only be when they fight King Cold, or Cooler? Captain Ginyu would be an interesting fight, as you get another Goku vs Vegeta showdown, but it's FAR more even... In all, the scenario could be REALLY interesting!
What if the time machine in the future was built for expiremental purposes early and then everything goes to heck in a handbasket, this then causes Teen Gohan to go into the past to warn about everyhing.
Vegeta doesn't need an opportunity to learn Kaioken in Z. It wouldn't have been unfeasible for Vegeta to have simply picked it up watching Goku do it when they fought the first time.
Maybe Kaioken would help in the moro arc a bit since Kaioken amplifies speed and other fighting traits (reaction speed and im not sure about this but it also amplifies instincts. Ultra instinct kaioken would be op if the instincts were amplified.)
The turnament of power was mainly done because both zeni wanted to give the universes a chance to survive but if there is no future zeni in this scenario, would there even be a TOP?
what if goku reborn as goten what if majin vegeta killed buu what if gohan had yusuke type personality from yuyu hakusho what if cooler raised goku what if super happen after gt
Check out the manga Goku and vegeta Mastered Super Saiyan Blue in the Goku black arc, and they wouldn’t need kaioken because Goku in Mastered Super saiyan blue was equal to Fused Zamasu
Basically Goku and Vegeta are stronger in this. Also I don't know Kaio-Ken more then 20 seems iffy to me. What if min suggestion: What if Gohan used Kaio-Ken? (Mainly with his Ultimate Form.)
I'm surprised that there's no Options for Goku's Family(What If Gohan and Goten were Twins, What If Bardock and Gine Survived and What If Chi Chi was a Z-Fighter?) Or Vegeta's Family(What If Vegeta Raised Tarble, What If Trunks and Bulla were Twins? and What If Vegeta Learned Kaioken?).
What if idea: what if vegeta was sent to earth with goku? (Goku and vegeta are the same age and power) Instead of tarble being weak it was vegeta born as a low class saiyan. Vegeta was sent to earth by king vegeta. Goku is sent to earth and the events of the pilof saga stay the same. In the world tournament. Kid Vegeta beats yamcha in the elemenary round. And vegeta beats Jackie Chun. And goku and vegeta fight each other and goku wins in a kamehameha vs galick gun.
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Goku learned it first but Vegeta made it cooler 🦍
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Salad Saiyan keep up the great content btw man
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@@dragonzstyles6344 what’s up man
Honestly having vegeta adopt an "anything you can do i can do better" mentality makes so much sense for him
Hey Salad do what if goku learned kaioken early
Hey Salad do what if goku learned the kaioken early when he training with kami
Yes
The Culture Keeper why would he
Zachary Jones you just sold a good thing
Universe 7: HE DID IT
Goku: *having a UI seizure on the floor*
I gave you a like because it sound funny.....
The mental image I just had for that was strangely satisfying
Roblox oders: **** you vux vux
me:Having a seizure that is 99999999999x more worse than goku’s
@Bray Wilson r/ihavereddit
I don’t know why everyone doesn’t know kaioken it would help a lot of the side characters so much💯
Edit: just seen the 300 likes after a year thanks guys lol
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Some couldn't handle it but mostly what would be the point if everyone knew it
Well salad did a what if where alot of the side character got kaioken (What If Frieza killed Gohan on Namek)
They don't want to spam it like Super Saiyan.
@@zephyrixx685 kaioken isn't a transformation
Super Saiyan blue evolution would matter. If Super Saiyan Blue 20x is the same as Super Saiyan Blue evolution, they can master blue evolution and stack it with kaioken.
i thought is was basically ssgss 2
I thought it was like Super Vegeta, but in SSB.
@@joeythomas14 If it's equal to SSBKKx20, it's a 20x multiplier.
Blue Evolution is an entire new form in itself. Vegeta can probably train it even further to master the form and make it stronger.
Not to mention it doesn't seem to strain him at all.
that feels so weird, it's like if Goku learned the final flash
Final flash ain't that good
@@AJ-fn3ug its true but I'm a Vegeta fanboy so frick you
@@kaktus575 yeah more versatile but I just mean it's goku's signature thing
Its nice because goku has two signature attack a one more better than kamehameha wave
Goku does atchually know it though he used it in the majin buu saga when he was inside buu if I'm not mistaken
I've been wanting to tell your for ages that vegeta black's outfit is inaccurate as it was based off of Goku's Gi. i feel like he'd have a black outfit of the vegeta outfit.
I agree
I agree
I agree
I agree
Well it makes a slight bit of sense
I’m rewatching this a few months later lol but Zamasu chose that Gi. He stayed in the same clothes when he wished to be Goku Black he had the same Kai clothes so it kinda makes sense a bit I guess?
It is such a waste that no one ever bothered to ask “ok... so... súper saiyan 3 is bad in general... but what if instead of just saying it is bad... you mastered it like you did with 1 or 2? That way it would be more reliable and you could stack things above it making you insanly strong”
He already did a what iv mini on that
He probably means in canon. Well Super Saiyan 3 is quite literally unperfectable because of how much energy is there, and the form can’t be stabilized per se without destroying your body. The only way this is possible is by being dead where you don’t run out of energy and your body is more durable. By the time they should be strong enough to handle it, they don’t need it anymore. Plus if they did perfect it then what, it still becomes useless when Beerus rolls on with God Ki.
Tan Enzo yeah I guess you are right... but still would be nice to be able to rely on it without drawbacks just to have another step to be able to stand on while they pace themselves, besides... the form is so buried that not even gotenks uses it anymore because of how useless it is... it would be nice for goku gotenks and vegeta to be able to use it so we can see more of the actual power the form grants without needing to use it sporadically or holding back, if they did perfect it, it would be a good way to show off and have fun (which saiyans do a lot of) since to be honest, all forms are useless since you have súper saiyan god and blue which by now could safe to say are the only ones that goku and vegeta actually need... so, for them to have súper saiyan 3 perfected would be a good way to tell their opponents “congratulations you are stronger than average but not strong enough for me to bother to turn god so imma just use this instead to intimidate you and have fun with my amazing mortal power”... cause we know that if the form had no drawbacks, vegeta would be spamming súper saiyan 3 just because of his ego, and goku would have fun with its power since he usually does have fun at the start of fights by pacing himself without going full out to finish the fight
In canon? The hair was too time consuming to draw so they made it unusable.
@@diobrando7774 makes sense... puts you to wonder.... why do the decide to use designs so hard to draw when they know they have to draw it over and over and over and over and over.... man... puts you to reflect how much time and effort is put into jojo's since the way they detail things is.... just wow
This actually makes sense after the beating that Goku did to him after the Saiyan Saga. He would say "Ok you cheated and won, congrats! . . . BUT I CAN DO BETTER!!!!"
This is why vegeta didn’t want ui, he’d rather have brute strength without taxing his body
Great video Salad. I never even thought about there being a Vegeta Black from Vegeta getting Kaioken. Such a butterfly effect. Do you think you could do what if Krillin killed Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga? I think that would really change the timeline even if it’s only a mini what-if.
Vegeta, in a very matter of fact tone, says one thing
Vegeta: "Kaioken"
Vegeta Black: "Kaio-what?"
*Vegeta Black then proceeded to get decked in the schnoz*
Everyone gets to kill frieza, So you could say "A Frieza killing bargain sale".
This gonna be a banger
If vegeta learns kaioken and combines in with UE that’ll be so awesome
I would actually disagree with broly going unconscious. I think this would just push him to go fullpower super saiyan making goku and vegeta to teleport to piccolo and the fight with broly and gogeta would be the same except shorter.
@Prime Gaming how was he wrong. Broly subconsciously restricted his own power and the more you push him the angrier he got which got rid of said restrictions.
So unless Vegeta could 1-shot Broly which is unlikely because Ikari Broly was equal to Blue Goku, and SSJ being 50X stronger than Blue kaiokenX20 giving him access to Full Power SSJ which is far more than 100X Blue.
Gogeta was equal to Blue Goku meaning it was basically Blue Goku stacked by Blue Goku in terms of power. So if FP SSJ Broly wasn’t able to even touch Blue Gogeta but was to strong for Gogeta to even question SSJG it’s safe to assume that Broly was far more than a simple 100X Blue Goku at that moment.
So for the split second Broly was outmatched for he basically unlocks FP SSJ. The only change from the original would be Frieza actually dies fairly quickly and Whis effortlessly dodges for just a little while longer.
I just find it weird how Broly unlocks his power but Salad constantly claims someone who isn’t massively stronger than full power Broly knocks him out. Like Carthu gets a pass with GOD Goku because that version was stronger than current Manga UI Goku who is already in a different realm than Broly.
Nah I think this would kill Broly tbh. In the movie blue kaioken and blue evolution was not even used. Ssj Broly is only like 40-50x stronger than blue goku, so kaioken x 100 out of both goku in vegeta should kill him, as I don’t think he would have enough time to adapt and transform to Fssj. Keep in mind this goku and vegeta would be stronger than the one from canon as well.
@@jadonrahman no blue kaioken uses a Max of x20, he never uses x100
@@plazmasix6694 in the what if they used it for x100, I’m not talking about the canon x20. That’s the max that we know of because it’s never gone higher it’s never been confirmed. Regardless he has it at x100 against Broly which is more than enough to kill a ssj Broly, especially since both of them are x100. Heck x40 from both of them could honestly kill Broly in ssj.
@@jadonrahman not really as broly and Super Saiyan should be able to contend with base to Super Saiyan gogeta and no, a kaioken x100 would not be enough. Even so all that they would be doing is pushing broly to his full powered State and that would just lead them to turning into gogeta anyway.
You should do Goku got his potential unlocked (whIM)
Yup
I hate to break it to you, but I doubt salad saiyan would ever do a what if where Goku is stronger than vegeta
Goku got his potential unlocked in the what if gohan and goten were twins
@@squintyeyedkidjr9625 oh
And that was Carthu’s what if
Love your what if’s
oh boy,you're so close to 100k subs,even i can't wait now
Nice video!
Hope you got 100k soon! Outstanding work as always! 👍
I was waiting for this
Alternate title: *If Vegeta was the Main Character*
11:16
Imagine yourself in 2017 seeing that as a poster translating to “Saiyans have no LIMITATIONS” that would be sick
Finally a Vegeta what if
no worries, you'll get quite a bit of them on this channel
Lol you must be new salad saiyan is hard for vegeta in all his what ifs
@@hunter-js9zc just like the whole dragon series is hard for Goku lmao
I feel the better time would be after defusing in the buu arc maybe the fusion finally let Vegeta see the potential of learning under a master
Imagine Vegeta stacking this on evolution
Blue E = blue kioken x20 so
Blue E x20 would be so massive I don't think UI goku could even beat that
But... MUI could easily beat ssbekk
@@rachitsrivastav Ssbe equals Ssb kaiokenx20 so combining mastered ssbe plus kaioken x20 equals ssb kaioken x 400 so he’d have trouble with him and add zenkais to that
Plus mastered would make ssbe by itself much stronger
@@spider-man8186 Yeah you're right
"Final Burst Cannon"... that sounds like something I'd name a technique if I were to create one.
Salad Saiyan: Too bad goku won't have a chance to fight, so does monoka.
Beerus: NO!
Idk, I think including Z would have been better. During Namek we can have him literally just experiment to copy Kaioken the same way he just sort of naturally picked up energy sensing. I know that Kaioken is more complicated, but it would make the Namek saga a hell of a lot different.
I love the idea. My only critique would be that learning Kaioken would alter from Vegeta's archetype. Goku's power set is amalgamation of multiple Masters. Every time he progressed Vegeta on the other hand made a way for himself.
Question.
Anyone who has relevant answers can comment.
Is Salad doing a Dragon Ball Super Rewrite for his 100K? Or just a What-Ifinity?
For vegeta black it would just be his armor but black red and grey
Where did you find the kaioken aura? Ik it was from deviantART but can you link the image please?
As soon as I saw this, I'm thinking of a hypothetical Ssjb KK x50 vegito if Vegeta learned the kaioken
Mohsan Arshad would have been cool but eh
Imagine Vegitto vs Fused Zamasu
Vegitto: turns SSJ blue KK x100
Zamasu: You think this can defeat me morta-
Zamasus speech is stoped as his whole upper body is destroyed by Vegittos final kamehameha
Vegito wouldn’t even have time to breath before he defuses
Almost 100k congrats
Thank you. I literally just ran out of things to watch!! XD
Hey imagine if they had wished that anyone who enters the time chamber becomes immortal they can train for thousands of years and when the leave the chamber they become mortal again
James Etherious too easy
bro just imagine if
Either that or goku mastered kaioken and fused it with all his transformations and fuses it with blue basically ssj purple
Awesome keep making vegeta op
I clicked as soon as i saw the notifcation
Great work man
That was FREAKING AAAWWESOME!!!..
1:08 don't know why but when i see vegeta in that pose preparing final flash against cell even in anime, he looks like he is over 6 foot tall
Love your stuff salad
The Kaio-what?
Kaio crap
Kaio-cap
Tfs
KEN!!!! THE KAIO KEN
Finally I’ve been exited for this 😁👍
16:21 If I was to say it in Vegeta’s terms, It’s a Frieza killing bargain sale
You could have used Perfected Super Saiyan Blue with the Aura of Blue compatible with Kaioken technique all mix within the body as long as the aura is within the body Kaioken will be mixed with that hidden aura. Making Perfected SSB Kaioken.
Was just looking at kaioken videos and this video came up in my notifications
After watching this it kinda made me wanna see what if goku decided to get the mystic ritual done on him
Kaioken in general suits Vegeta way more in the curent situation with them,Goku with Ultra Instinct,calm and collected,and Vegeta,the complete opposite,with SSBE (he would still get the form and master it) and kaioken stacked on top of it
Not gonna lie, a Kioken evolution would be cool, like he has hair as orange as super sayian 4 gogeta
Ssj gogeta has red hair
@Pk Shaz Orange when using Kaioken, Red when in not.
@Salad Saiyan,
What happens in the Gt versions/continuation of these events?
Nobody:
This Vegeta: "It's a regular Frieza murder bargain sale."
Imagine if vegeta did learn blue evolution
And combines it with kaioken x20
That'll be a ssb x 400
Defo will give jiren a run for his money
How about “what if shallot and giblet were some of the surviving sayians with vegeta and nappa”
What if Vegeta's Rage against Beerus happened in Cell saga. Or what if Goku and Vegeta we're born as Vegito.
Bro at 8:08 since vegeta saw this imposter of him I didn’t have to finish watching I knew that vegeta black is dead
Vegeta spontaneously learning the Kaioken in the Saiyan Saga actually _does_ have a little bit of circumstantial evidence: he spontaneously learned how to sense energy in canon, despite not having any immediately-obvious reason for doing so. Maybe instead of that, he could mimic the Kaioken...? But then, without the ability to sense energies, his scouter might not be enough to put him in the right places at the right times, so the Namek Saga could look *slightly* different, relying more on Vegeta as Krillin or Gohan bite the dust earlier than in canon.
Mans really just said goku goes into ui " once more" like he said anything about ui earlier
Youre my favorite dragonball youtuber
Once he starts learning techniques and not trying to be more powerful but be a better fighter better with his energy then I could see Goku suggesting the abilities training to get KO Ken has given him and his body every time he's ever almost killed himself is giving him you know multipliers drums and caboose we says it would be helpful to a point with Vegeta it's good for training but most battles it probably wouldn't be useful so Vegeta thinks about it and learns to koken but mostly for training a little boost here and there and we says the best thing to do is use it in a final attack which would mean the kochem would get perfected which means there's a new thing and eventually somebody tells them there's a new form of ko Ken instead of being red it's a different color so it could like reset multipliers and until you perfect KO Ken you can't use the next stage of koken there's just it's just not feasible because your body is going to be torn apart if it isn't ready okay is good for training because it has the ability to boost your you know body cuz you're saying and he's like oh maybe that's why kakarot seems to pass me so much his body has more multipliers I also think they need to do a final battle with a choose a deserted planet and Goku and Vegeta truly fight to see who the winner is getting weast to agree that it's to the death and we agrees to bring back from the dead Goku makes a stipulation from the fact that he would have been there before to allow him to stay there for one month after death that's the agreement the loser has to stay in the afterlife for one month you know Goku would be the one to no matter what when because Vegeta would just be punished weese starts to wonder about Vegeta's punishment meaning he probably would consider going to talk to King Yama about having a sentence reduced in hell meaning but you is a fighter even if he doesn't go to the heaven battles maybe there's something in between he can go to some place where he can fight as just a plain warrior not officially getting into heaven but given the opportunity Vegeta would just fight the afterlife I truly think this would work
10:33 the super saiyan dbs trunks we want
My only "major" gripe with this (and it's really not major at all) is that all this scenario does is replace Goku's wins with Vegeta's wins. Honestly? Not a BAD more, but there's no particular reason why they HAD to more that way. So honestly, not really anything to say. I will say though that I would NOT push Kaioken past a 20 times multiplier (personally). Honestly, I KNOW that there's no reason it CAN'T go higher, BUT there's also no evidence in-canon that it can. (Sure there's that moment in the Lord Slug Movie, and there might be something in some of the games, but nothing pure stock canon.)
As for what I'd "like" to see, is maybe something like a slightly delayed, and extended Namek Arc. Something where Frieza does NOT immediately hear about the Dragonballs, Vegeta's spaceship is damaged, and so he stays and trains with them here.
The scenario would be something like this... During the initial conversation of Raditz with Piccolo and Goku, they don't mention the Dragonballs, but Raditz mentions that IF Goku proved his worth as a Saiyan warrior by killing him, Vegeta and Nappa would be coming to collect him instead, as they still needed help. Scouter gets damaged, or removed to protect it from damage, and they fight, Raditz dies, no communications, Saiyans on the way.
Goku still dies and learns Kaioken, and everything else progresses as normal, but now Vegeta and Nappa actually TALK with the Z team a bit. They explain that while they personally love fighting, they don't really care to squish weak opponents, but instead prefer to fight strong guys. So what Frieza has them doing by going around the various planets and just killing the locals, isn't really what they want to do. They still have their orders, and they can't disobey Frieza, or they'll be dog-meat, so while it's kinda distasteful, they're still gonna have to kidnap Kakarot, and Gohan, and take over the planet as per ordered.
After which, MOST of the fight still goes the same. MAYBE Vegeta kills Nappa, or maybe Nappa just barely survives the blast, either way, that's your choice. Assume Piccolo still dies, meaning Namek is required.
Goku still uses Kaioken to beat Vegeta though. Which peaks Vegeta's interest. This is a power that might be able to level the playing field against Frieza. He mentions Frieza's empire, and the powerful enemies in the Universe that stand far above him, which only heightens Goku's drive to defeat Vegeta, as now he has other villains to worry about afterwards.
Vegeta's ship is damaged during the fracas, and so he can't leave to get healed. Instead, he gets medical treatment similar to Goku, but mentions that "healing pods" exist, and that there is information about them in the data banks of his ship. Bulma is able to replicate the technology pretty quickly, along with gravity training, and so BEFORE the Sensu beans are fully grown again, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and any surviving Z-Warriors, are all very close to 100G's. Goku and Vegeta specifically would have gotten a LOT of zenkai's and learned many techniques from one another, and after several Zenkai's , and heavy-gravity training, Goku would have caught up to Vegeta's base, all while Goku is trying to teach Vegeta the Kaioken.
Training-Arc ensues, Vegeta and Goku train against one another repeatedly, getting Zenkai's thanks to the healing pod, and even Gohan is able to catch up, being trained by both Vegeta, and Goku. Any surviving humans are hard-pressed to keep up with the intensity of the work-out, but as Goku was teaching Kaioken, they woulda caught on too, and so would have achieved a comparable level of power eventually.
The new space-ship is built, WAY bigger than any of the regular Capsule Corp ships, more like Frieza's ship, with parts from the Namekian vessel, and Vegeta and Nappas pods, and also some Capsule Corp tech. They still end up going to Namek, but it would be a VERY different story without Frieza destroying the place, and so I imagine it would be mostly smooth sailing, making three wishes to wish back Piccolo, Chaiotzu, and Tien. (Possibly Yamcha with the Earth balls later, if he died?). And it should be pretty smooth sailing... With the short caveat that they all get their powers unlocked by Guru, as they're off to try and save the Galaxy from an evil Tyrant. Even Vegeta, as Guru has no evidence that Vegeta's change of heart isn't real.
We might instead use the third wish to bring Piccolo to Namek, and use the Earth balls to wish both Tien and Yamcha back, as they hadn't been brought back via the Dragonballs yet. In that case, Piccolo would be able to get HIS powers unlocked too via Guru, and would spend some time with his Namekian people training. Also Piccolo could join in with Kaioken and gravity training, so he'd actually be pretty much on par with the Saiyans, or even higher! (Likely higher once he masters Kaioken).
Then they bring the fight to Frieza and King Cold, at which point they'd all be a lot stronger than they WERE back on Earth, but honestly? Not a MASSIVE amount stronger than they were in the original series, but instead they'd have a REASON for the massive stupid gains than the writers of Dragonball included during the Namek Arc. Even though they wouldn't be MASSIVELY overpowered in comparison, Goku would be only roughly equivalent to where he was during the fight with Frieza, and Vegeta and Piccolo would both be equal, or better than that (While using Kaioken). Gohan would be way behind, but rage-boosts would equal the ground if needed, so he's on mostly equal footing. Piccolo would have the best technique, followed by Goku, but Vegeta's intelligence would make him a pretty formidable opponent too.
The humans would be lagging behind by this time, but I don't think it'd be ANYWHERE like how far behind they were in the original story!
From there, I'd probably explore the Galaxy a bit to try and track down Frieza, introduce the Machine-Mutants, maybe go grab Tarble, POSSIBLY find things like Vampa or Yardrat, the sky's the limit! Eventually getting to Frieza, LIKELY activating Super-Saiyan, (not mandatory, but likely) although that might only be when they fight King Cold, or Cooler? Captain Ginyu would be an interesting fight, as you get another Goku vs Vegeta showdown, but it's FAR more even...
In all, the scenario could be REALLY interesting!
Damn, wouldn't super kioken times 20 make them have a gt ssj4 boost?
Future me says congrats on 100K
Kaioken ssg could be a great start before going kaioken blue
What if the time machine in the future was built for expiremental purposes early and then everything goes to heck in a handbasket, this then causes Teen Gohan to go into the past to warn about everyhing.
Vegeta doesn't need an opportunity to learn Kaioken in Z. It wouldn't have been unfeasible for Vegeta to have simply picked it up watching Goku do it when they fought the first time.
My boy Vegetables finally getting some love
Whatever happened to vegeta and big bang attack? Naturally i get it. Gallick gun- final flash-gamma burst flash
Loved it vegeta deserves a win fr
I really love the use of Dokkan battle!
And Legends.
The what ifs always so much better than the actual show
I don't get why Kaioken is a goku only technique, that's the way to make the non saiyan Z fighters relevant in the android/Buu saga and in super
“Cause you know, HE’S DEAD HERE!”
You should do a what if Goten was born with God Ki
I’ve basically always wondered why Goku didn’t use blue Kaioken against Goku black
Maybe Kaioken would help in the moro arc a bit since Kaioken amplifies speed and other fighting traits (reaction speed and im not sure about this but it also amplifies instincts. Ultra instinct kaioken would be op if the instincts were amplified.)
Salad Saiyan:Goku Vegta Trunks everyone gets to kill Frezzia
Gohan:I don't
The turnament of power was mainly done because both zeni wanted to give the universes a chance to survive but if there is no future zeni in this scenario, would there even be a TOP?
what if goku reborn as goten
what if majin vegeta killed buu
what if gohan had yusuke type personality from yuyu hakusho
what if cooler raised goku
what if super happen after gt
The first one reminds me of this theory that bardock was reborn as goten
6:36 This ain't kaioken x10
this is red clothes x10
What if they mastered super saiyan blue? Wouldn't that make it easier to use kaioken on top of it since there is less pressure?
And also unlock SSBE and master that as well to put kaioken on top of it.
Check out the manga Goku and vegeta Mastered Super Saiyan Blue in the Goku black arc, and they wouldn’t need kaioken because Goku in Mastered Super saiyan blue was equal to Fused Zamasu
@@squintyeyedkidjr9625 yeah they don't need it, but that doesn't mean they can't use it tho.
If he got blue Evo since its already the same power as ssbkx20 the he adds Kaioken x 20 on that he would be even stronger then before
They are able to Stack Kaioken on Super Saiyan!
(Canon) Super Kaioken Goku : Am i a joke to you???
Yes I want vegeta to learn kaioken in main series please. This video is awesome . Goku and vegeta are on equal level. 🤗😀
Correction vegeta didn’t come up with the idea of super Kaioken. Goku first used it in his fight with pikkon in the otherworld tournament
Shoot, give Vegeta that Kaioken. He knows how to utilize it better
you should do a video on what if vegeta went in the rosat with goku and learned kaioken before the fight with cell.
What if goku learned spirit control instead of instant transmission during yardrat?
Goodboy no i real don’t want that. the only reason i don’t want that is he doesn’t know how spirit control works (no offence to him i love his videos)
AySparkZ I kinda just want to see a scenario of goku learning something else during yardrat tbh lol
Goodboy thats fair but i do get triggered when i watch his what if goku had a sister what ifs
*_"Kaioken... UP TO TEN TIMES!"_*
Note that Blue Evolution has better stamina than Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-Ken x20. It doesn't destroy Vegeta, so he'd just use that.
Blue evolution equals the same amount as ssbkk but since it's a Saiyan transformation he can make it go further in power then just multiplying
Basically Goku and Vegeta are stronger in this. Also I don't know Kaio-Ken more then 20 seems iffy to me.
What if min suggestion:
What if Gohan used Kaio-Ken?
(Mainly with his Ultimate Form.)
Vegeta could learn it now but he wants his own abilities and powers
Nice What-if Mini, though Vegeta learning the Kaio-ken could've happened after Frieza killed him, he was dead for a while before Shenron revived him.
King yemma of wouldn't have let Vegeta train with King Kai during the Frieza Arc because at that point he was still evil
@@thomasdunn9009 but he let the Ginyu Force go.
@@antihero627 no he didn't Goku let them go he finished them off
@@thomasdunn9009 I meant King Yemma. He let the Ginyu Force go to King Kai even though they were evil.
@@antihero627 that was filler
I'm surprised that there's no Options for Goku's Family(What If Gohan and Goten were Twins, What If Bardock and Gine Survived and What If Chi Chi was a Z-Fighter?) Or Vegeta's Family(What If Vegeta Raised Tarble, What If Trunks and Bulla were Twins? and What If Vegeta Learned Kaioken?).
soon the krillin death memes will become freeza death memes
What if idea: what if vegeta was sent to earth with goku?
(Goku and vegeta are the same age and power) Instead of tarble being weak it was vegeta born as a low class saiyan.
Vegeta was sent to earth by king vegeta. Goku is sent to earth and the events of the pilof saga stay the same. In the world tournament.
Kid Vegeta beats yamcha in the elemenary round. And vegeta beats Jackie Chun. And goku and vegeta fight each other and goku wins in a kamehameha vs galick gun.
I would change one thing king vegeta sends his son to earth to get away from frieza
@@Devastator21good idea