What if Carthage Had Defeated Rome?

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  • @NoahxNour
    @NoahxNour 9 місяців тому +82

    Hannibal’s goal was to show Rome that Carthagians are the Owners of the “ mediterranean sea “. Because historically speaking Carthage was older than Rome

    • @josephlee5654
      @josephlee5654 7 місяців тому +2

      Yeah they wanted to send a message but failed to deliver when Hannibal went back home 😂

    • @conquerergamer3722
      @conquerergamer3722 6 місяців тому +6

      ​@@josephlee5654 only if Carthagenian senate provide proper reinforcement and supply hannibal could have won.
      In 2 nd punic war the war was literally between hannibal and rome

    • @Rome.s_Greatest_Enemy
      @Rome.s_Greatest_Enemy 5 місяців тому +4

      But Rome's objectives were simple : Destroy or be Destroyed. Rome would not accept any terms of surrender no matter the cost

  • @Yh-kg8fr
    @Yh-kg8fr Рік тому +104

    Conquistadors in our timeline: "Dear God they're sacrificing humans!"
    Conquistadors in carthage timeline:
    "Hold my arquebus"

  • @kevin8712
    @kevin8712 9 місяців тому +40

    "Rome surrenders. Their territories are reduced. We recover our lost islands. AND CARTHAGE DOMINATES THE MEDITERRANEAN ONCE AGAIN!"
    -Oversimplified- Hannibal Barca, after the Battle of Cannae

  • @niapniap4743
    @niapniap4743 Рік тому +92

    First of all, Hannibal didn't rushed to Rome because he didn't have the manpower to take over the city. Second, it would have placed his army in a dangerous situation since the Romans had already gathered 2 new armies since the defeat at Canae. Third, even if he won at Canae, his army was severly damaged and exhausted, so he had to rest his army (yeah i know it's kinda difficult to understand maybe but warfare isn't just about winnig battles) and Rome was like 400km from his position. Four, Hannibal never ever had the intention to take the eternal city. Moreover, the Carthaginians never wanted to destroy Rome or his civilisation but their only intent was to undermine the Roman's hegemony over southern Italy and the islands (Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily).
    For those who think that warfare is just about tactics and strategy, let me tell you that it is not. As a general, and no matter in which time period you're living in, the most important thing is to understand that strategy is nothing if you don't manage to handle the human factor of an army (manpower, morale, motivation of the troops, logistics, plunder, supply, exhaustion...). Warfare isn't as simple as "i won a neat victory over you now let me take your capital".

    • @julianbrelsford
      @julianbrelsford Рік тому +4

      Very easy to see that 400km distance matters to an army that's already exhausted.
      No matter what condition you start in, you're going to need a lot of supplies to walk 400km.
      If you're healthy enough to be in an army you can probably walk 10km in one day in good weather, no problem, but if you do it for even a single day without food and water all day, you're going to be really grumpy about it.
      400km with minimal access to food is going to be almost impossible.

    • @plamenneykov2512
      @plamenneykov2512 10 місяців тому +6

      If he won?
      But he won at cannae

    • @vijayvijay4123
      @vijayvijay4123 7 місяців тому +1

      He should have been prudent enough to take into account of Roman Backlash. Rome is not some tribal kingdom to take this defeat lightly. They were concerned about their image more than anything else.
      Hannibal, the astute general failed to recognise this

    • @alerted0
      @alerted0 6 місяців тому

      @@julianbrelsfordRome had an army March 300 miles in 7 days

    • @shuannlewis2216
      @shuannlewis2216 2 місяці тому

      amateurs talks about tactics but pros talk about logistic

  • @ab3040
    @ab3040 9 місяців тому +9

    The only mistake Hannibal made

  • @chibble3591
    @chibble3591 6 місяців тому +3

    Carthage didn’t deserve Hannibal. Hannibal would have fared better with the Greeks. Would have been interesting to see him as a ruler over one of the successor states.

  • @fennisdembo34
    @fennisdembo34 Рік тому +38

    absolutely not
    the reason why hannibal didn't press on was carthage never set out to conquer rome

    • @ghregoryk4830
      @ghregoryk4830 Рік тому +3

      Ty and amen

    • @Jamtoaer
      @Jamtoaer Рік тому +9

      He thought rome was gonna surrender because of his beliefs. little did he know Roman republic was win it all or lose everything surrender was not a option.

    • @ab3040
      @ab3040 9 місяців тому

      True, he wanted them to surrender and post reparations
      But the Carthage Senate would surely have wanted more

  • @Blazdragon34
    @Blazdragon34 11 місяців тому +7

    Carthage is my favorite!

  • @angeloalvarez5520
    @angeloalvarez5520 7 місяців тому +3

    I'm reading a book on ancient Africa, currently on a section that's covering this

    • @selima980
      @selima980 5 місяців тому

      What’s the books name?

    • @Fusionz_History
      @Fusionz_History 5 місяців тому

      Yeah, what is the book name?

    • @angeloalvarez5520
      @angeloalvarez5520 5 місяців тому +1

      @@selima980 hold on

    • @angeloalvarez5520
      @angeloalvarez5520 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Fusionz_History ancient Africa by "captivating history"

    • @Fusionz_History
      @Fusionz_History 5 місяців тому

      @@angeloalvarez5520 where did you get the book from?

  • @PhilBall609
    @PhilBall609 9 місяців тому +1

    Carthage might get collapse during Islamic conquest of North Africa (correct me if im wrong)

  • @VSharKS72
    @VSharKS72 9 місяців тому +1

    There some novel story about what happen if hannibal win puni war 2, you can read hannibal children and the seven hils

  • @windwaker105
    @windwaker105 Рік тому +6

    With how important Rome was to the formation of Christianity, it might not even exist

    • @Adam-z6n1q
      @Adam-z6n1q 8 місяців тому

      True, if Jesus was never executed by the Romans Christianity wouldn’t be the same, the whole cross thing wouldn’t really be there for one.’

    • @bdup1364
      @bdup1364 7 місяців тому

      Well all be worshipping and sacrificing people to Baal😂

    • @Vlad-yi6oo
      @Vlad-yi6oo 5 місяців тому

      ​@@Adam-z6n1qJesus wasn t executed by romans. It was by jews decisions.

  • @banjos69
    @banjos69 Рік тому +5

    cool!

  • @sofianeadembensalem9065
    @sofianeadembensalem9065 Рік тому +18

    Carthage 🇹🇳 and Hannibal Barca 🇹🇳

  • @Myiagi
    @Myiagi 10 місяців тому +1

    Good ending

  • @TheKing72.
    @TheKing72. 10 місяців тому

    They wanted Rome to surrender Carthage did gold not conquest

  • @L-U-M-B-A-G-O
    @L-U-M-B-A-G-O Рік тому +6

    AKA the world would be better than it is today

    • @chibble3591
      @chibble3591 6 місяців тому +1

      No, it was Rome’s destiny

    • @thegamerthatnoonewanted2621
      @thegamerthatnoonewanted2621 6 місяців тому

      Nope,it would have been worse.

    • @L-U-M-B-A-G-O
      @L-U-M-B-A-G-O 6 місяців тому

      @thegamerthatnoonewanted2621 how would you know?

    • @thegamerthatnoonewanted2621
      @thegamerthatnoonewanted2621 6 місяців тому

      @@L-U-M-B-A-G-O Carthaginians conducted human sacrifices on almost daily basis,Roman's did not.
      The Roman culture was inherited by a lot of the countries which succeeded from it.
      The same would have happened to Carthaginian culture as well.
      Even though,in this scenario, the human sacrifices would have eventually stopped till now,there would have much more unnecessary deaths in the early medical period.

    • @L-U-M-B-A-G-O
      @L-U-M-B-A-G-O 6 місяців тому

      @@thegamerthatnoonewanted2621 everyone did crazy shit back then, even the Romans. I just feel like it'd be better because the Romans were more violent and cruel and land lusting

  • @doogesiro
    @doogesiro 10 місяців тому +1

    No spoilers for oversimplified pt3

  • @MoldycheeseJr
    @MoldycheeseJr Рік тому +11

    Hannibal was fair skinned not black/African

    • @valtontony826
      @valtontony826 Рік тому

      no one said otherwise

    • @MoldycheeseJr
      @MoldycheeseJr Рік тому +3

      @@valtontony826 keep telling yourself that bub

    • @MoldycheeseJr
      @MoldycheeseJr Рік тому +1

      @@AmritDillon yeah he was from modern day Lebanon

    • @Alfaa7125
      @Alfaa7125 Рік тому

      ​@@MoldycheeseJrhe is not u idiot
      He is the son of amilcar
      Two great Tunisian Carthaginian soldiers

    • @yah_az
      @yah_az 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@MoldycheeseJrHannibal was born in Tunisia. He is African. How can you say that he is Lebanese and Phenicia was destroyed? The population of North Africa is white

  • @florenmage
    @florenmage 9 місяців тому +2

    I am glad Rome won because Roman culture was not cool with ritual human sacrifice, while Carthage was totally cool with it. A Roman victory ment less human sacrifice in history and that’s a good thing.Rome and Carthage were both brutal civilizations, but Rome was standing on higher moral ground.

    • @mehdimehdi3631
      @mehdimehdi3631 9 місяців тому +1

      tbh i would rather human sacrefice than poops and baths together . ps;this is a joke

    • @florenmage
      @florenmage 9 місяців тому +1

      @@mehdimehdi3631 human sacrifice is way worse.

    • @mehdimehdi3631
      @mehdimehdi3631 9 місяців тому

      @@florenmage bro i litterly said its a joke

    • @florenmage
      @florenmage 9 місяців тому +1

      @@mehdimehdi3631 sorry I can’t tell if people are joking anymore we live in crazy times lol

    • @chibble3591
      @chibble3591 6 місяців тому

      @@mehdimehdi3631bro I agree with florenmage, you went too far with that one. Shame on you 🫵

  • @juarawebcom298
    @juarawebcom298 Рік тому +1

    Without Latin, other languages won't exists at all. LOL

    • @futuf2265
      @futuf2265 9 місяців тому

      That could be said about almost every language, they all undergo modifications as time goes on

  • @seanwright5287
    @seanwright5287 Рік тому +6

    I love the way you have once again europeanized Hannibal , the African warrior! Not surprising, it has been done with Christ and every other great person's and cultures throughout history!

    • @MerryXmasMfkrs
      @MerryXmasMfkrs Рік тому

      Jesus and Hannibal were both semites from the same region, not negroes.

    • @WinchesterThumb
      @WinchesterThumb Рік тому +10

      Hannibal is from North Africa.. People from North Africa aren't black he literally is Phoenician which is from the middle east.. No way you really think he is black lol

    • @seanwright5287
      @seanwright5287 Рік тому

      If that makes you feel better then so be it! You wish to Europeanize Africa, the land where civilization began ! now that's funny, you need to lol that!

    • @WinchesterThumb
      @WinchesterThumb Рік тому +7

      @@seanwright5287 no way bro you are a troll pal. Civilization started in the middle east… every historian knows that bro u are 100% a troll

    • @MoldycheeseJr
      @MoldycheeseJr Рік тому

      @@seanwright5287you do know that Phoenicians came from the Middle East and not africa right? You do realize Hannibal living on the continent of Africa doesn’t make him african right?

  • @howelln13
    @howelln13 10 місяців тому +1

    Hanible was Black??

    • @ayushsingh141
      @ayushsingh141 10 місяців тому +4

      How's he looking black to you? He had tunisian genetics, looks like middle-northen africa

    • @howelln13
      @howelln13 10 місяців тому +1

      @@ayushsingh141 research not that whitewashed either

    • @howelln13
      @howelln13 10 місяців тому +1

      White folks learned everything from Africa

    • @dominicanvic9
      @dominicanvic9 8 місяців тому

      Afro Semitic

    • @chibble3591
      @chibble3591 6 місяців тому

      Phoenician maybe with a mix of the local peoples. He was not black

  • @InAeternumRomaMater
    @InAeternumRomaMater Рік тому +5

    Still didn't happen, and wouldn't have happened

    • @7XQO
      @7XQO Рік тому +33

      That’s why the video was made

    • @se7entv261
      @se7entv261 Рік тому +10

      ​@@7XQO he thinks he is from the past 😂😂

    • @hevyc8353
      @hevyc8353 Рік тому

      Roma Victrix

    • @InAeternumRomaMater
      @InAeternumRomaMater Рік тому

      ​@@7XQO I know the video's intention, but my comment was about what actually happened

    • @InAeternumRomaMater
      @InAeternumRomaMater Рік тому

      ​@@se7entv261 Are you going to elaborate?

  • @rasaanshakur9491
    @rasaanshakur9491 Рік тому +2

    Everyone would know the Israelites are black basically

    • @MA.Dasilva
      @MA.Dasilva Рік тому +2

      they aren’t

    • @Enzo_0425
      @Enzo_0425 Рік тому +9

      They're not, middle eastern people and northern african people aren't black

    • @ObscureGaruda
      @ObscureGaruda Рік тому +2

      You’re wrong. Have you ever met an Israelite? They’re not black.

    • @Tree3-rw7ku
      @Tree3-rw7ku Рік тому +1

      What is Israel?

    • @asirry3144
      @asirry3144 10 місяців тому

      Fact