Hey Jay, I'm right now in the middle of Hoffman's book and have to say that while he brings up some interesting points that are spot on, I too have some problems with it---- I look forward to hearing more of your critique of this book. Thanks!
I remember one of my Roman Catholic friends said that the Holy Spirit is the love by which the Father and Son have for each other. I didn’t know that that was an idea that goes back to the time of Augustine.
So, I’ve been familiar with early patristics for about two years now, and recently I’ve been trying to do my own research on whether we can say “God is Logos”, that is that God is essentially logos (like saying that God is life, truth, justice, etc). I’m also aware of the presuppositions of the Western side of the Church (for example, I know that it is characteristic of the West to understand “God” as “the Trinity”, instead of focusing on God as the hypostasis of the Father primordially), yet I know that even in Orthodoxy (John of Damascus, for example) God is considered “reason of the rational”. So that’s where I am currently. Please reply with anything that may help me determine all this.
Where are we going with all this? Here in the North of England, my nearest Catholic Church is ten minutes' walk away, and the next nearest is 35 minutes' walk away. The nearest Orthodox Church is an hour's drive away, and at my age I cannot assume that I will retain my driving licence indefinitely. What exactly does Mr Dyer expect me to do? According to the Oros of 1755, baptism in the Catholic Church is invalid, but there was an utter lack of alternatives when I was baptised in Hebburn on Tyne 66 years ago at St Aloysius Gonzaga. Aren't you just pulling my leg? People like John Fisher and Thomas More and Father Worswick of Newcastle are my heroes. Have I got that wrong?
Jay you are a very intellectual fellow. I very much enjoy your work. Is there any hope for me as a Protestant? What swayed you, mainly, away from your crazy Calvinist days, as you put it?
No, he wouldn’t now. And no it is not! I was raised Protestant. I know the arguments. Icons are not worshipped in the Orthodox Church. We venerate them out of respect. We look at them when we pray (but we don’t have to) just like we would look at a photo of someone. We keep photos (or icons) of saints, Theotokos, and Christ because they are our loved ones. In fact, they are ultimate loved ones. More precisely, Christ is The Ultimate Loved One!
Fillioque is easily proven: Galatians 4:6 ESV [6] And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” When you claim that the Spirit was not also sent by the Son, then you deny the Spirit's role in the sanctification of the physical world, and turn Christianity into a form of animism, where there's a spirit behind every rock and bush.
Jay Dyer Perhaps it is another Jay Dyer that I see on Catholic Answers that wrote By: Jay Dyer As some readers now know, I have decided not to become Eastern Orthodox. Though I confessed it for the past two and a half years and was a catechumen, I chose not to be chrismated, and thus not technically becoming Orthodox. I have, after much reflection and prayer, decided to return to Catholicism. I was also instructed by my spiritual advisors to publish this retraction. Let me say that also that this isn’t being posted as a subtle “challenge” to get Eastern Orthodox friends to spark a debate. I’m just not really as interested in that as I was as a 21 year-old Calvinist. I’m more interested in union with Christ nowadays, than debating every naysayer. Sorry for that.
And yes, I wavered back and forth between Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy for a good while. Then I took a decade to look into it and all the more became convinced of Orthodoxy. The fact that you think I'm gnostic really shows you have no idea what you are talking about, as this video is against Neoplatonism - which is gnostic. lol
Hey Jay, I'm right now in the middle of Hoffman's book and have to say that while he brings up some interesting points that are spot on, I too have some problems with it---- I look forward to hearing more of your critique of this book. Thanks!
Im posting my first talk on this tonight and I've invited Hoffman on for a dialogue/debate
I remember one of my Roman Catholic friends said that the Holy Spirit is the love by which the Father and Son have for each other. I didn’t know that that was an idea that goes back to the time of Augustine.
Opinions about G.k Chesterton, Peter Kreeft or Malachi Martin??? Apporations Fatima and Russia or Communism?
iamawas plenty of articles on those things at my site
So, I’ve been familiar with early patristics for about two years now, and recently I’ve been trying to do my own research on whether we can say “God is Logos”, that is that God is essentially logos (like saying that God is life, truth, justice, etc). I’m also aware of the presuppositions of the Western side of the Church (for example, I know that it is characteristic of the West to understand “God” as “the Trinity”, instead of focusing on God as the hypostasis of the Father primordially), yet I know that even in Orthodoxy (John of Damascus, for example) God is considered “reason of the rational”. So that’s where I am currently. Please reply with anything that may help me determine all this.
Interesting Lecture Jay ~ This does make sense thought.
Jay Dyer je pravi Srbin!
Jay, ffwd to 15:00 mins they are talkin bout hidden messages in Hollywood movie, ie the maltese falcon
Where are we going with all this? Here in the North of England, my nearest Catholic Church is ten minutes' walk away, and the next nearest is 35 minutes' walk away. The nearest Orthodox Church is an hour's drive away, and at my age I cannot assume that I will retain my driving licence indefinitely. What exactly does Mr Dyer expect me to do? According to the Oros of 1755, baptism in the Catholic Church is invalid, but there was an utter lack of alternatives when I was baptised in Hebburn on Tyne 66 years ago at St Aloysius Gonzaga. Aren't you just pulling my leg? People like John Fisher and Thomas More and Father Worswick of Newcastle are my heroes. Have I got that wrong?
Are you still in Hebburn? There are two Orthodox parishes in Newcastle. I attend them when I’m back home.
@@cheeseface6328 A rather silly reply!
@@david_porthouse Are you a woman?
@@cheeseface6328 All you are telling me is that members of the Orthodox Church are abusive nutcases.
Did you find a solution? I’d say just do your best to seek the Truth, I feel like God understands but we do have to struggle and strive.
Can I ask what name and patron you took when you became orthodox? (Inb4 it says near the end of the video, I'm typing this six minutes in)
Did you ever find out? I think it’s Daniel
@@PaulaODowd yes he has identified the prophet Daniel elsewhere
Amen
@@hap1678 do not compare saints
Jay you are a very intellectual fellow. I very much enjoy your work. Is there any hope for me as a Protestant? What swayed you, mainly, away from your crazy Calvinist days, as you put it?
Where are you at now? I’m a Calvinist who’s converting to orthodoxy
@@Orthodoxology Welcome home!
Love to see you do a defense/presentation of iconoclasm.
He would not do a defense of iconoclasm because iconoclasm is heresy
Iconoclasm is evil.
No, he wouldn’t now. And no it is not! I was raised Protestant. I know the arguments. Icons are not worshipped in the Orthodox Church. We venerate them out of respect. We look at them when we pray (but we don’t have to) just like we would look at a photo of someone. We keep photos (or icons) of saints, Theotokos, and Christ because they are our loved ones. In fact, they are ultimate loved ones. More precisely, Christ is The Ultimate Loved One!
Fillioque is easily proven:
Galatians 4:6 ESV
[6] And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
When you claim that the Spirit was not also sent by the Son, then you deny the Spirit's role in the sanctification of the physical world, and turn Christianity into a form of animism, where there's a spirit behind every rock and bush.
You don’t even understand the issue 😂
you have a lot of good things to say and should have stayed on the Orthodox path but like Joseph P. Farrell in the end gnosticism got you.
What are you talking about? I am Orthodox, not gnostic lol
Jay Dyer Perhaps it is another Jay Dyer that I see on Catholic Answers that wrote
By: Jay Dyer
As some readers now know, I have decided not to become Eastern Orthodox. Though I confessed it for the past two and a half years and was a catechumen, I chose not to be chrismated, and thus not technically becoming Orthodox. I have, after much reflection and prayer, decided to return to Catholicism. I was also instructed by my spiritual advisors to publish this retraction. Let me say that also that this isn’t being posted as a subtle “challenge” to get Eastern Orthodox friends to spark a debate. I’m just not really as interested in that as I was as a 21 year-old Calvinist. I’m more interested in union with Christ nowadays, than debating every naysayer.
Sorry for that.
That was me like 10 years ago, Has nothing to do with gnosticism.
And yes, I wavered back and forth between Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy for a good while. Then I took a decade to look into it and all the more became convinced of Orthodoxy. The fact that you think I'm gnostic really shows you have no idea what you are talking about, as this video is against Neoplatonism - which is gnostic. lol
Listen to my two recent talks on the Books of the Kings and tell me how gnostic I am.
I cannot tell whether this guy is a sincere Christian or some kind of hater, so Im giving up after 6 minutes. And no, in my book, you cannot be both.
I would suggest watching his debate with atheists. Matt Dyllahunty is one, there is another one with a guy over his head I believe named JP
Quiet, woman
Amen