I love the fact that they are teaching each other techniques. Javier helped Tosin improving “Classical” finger picking style, while Tosin taught Javier the double thump style.
@@debotoxgod6878 Actually Tosin learned the technique from bass player Evan Brewer (entheos, animosity, reflux) Evan grew up in nashville and learned the technique from the wooten brothers.
@@vincecarpenter661 i wonder why tosin always says that he saw victor doing it but im pretty sure evan was the one who taught it to him, maybe he hates him or sometin idk
The only way to get this good at ANYTHING. Is do it chill, peacefully, tranquil. Being all try hard will either make you inconsistent or stall you out all together. Depending on the depth of the stick in your tooter.
@@3000-z7p how do you know? Are you this good at like a 100 different things and speaking from experience? I don't believe it. It might be true, what you're saying, but how would you know?
@@tusharjamwalBecause it's common sense. Playing this sort of stuff while also focusing on showmanship (moving around, head banging, engaging with the crowd) is just another level of coordination that makes this 10x harder. Is it possible/worth being able to do? Of course! But a lot of these type of artists tend to be less showy in exchange for accuracy. It makes sense because you're relieving tension and you're not making any unnecessary movements by doing that stuff.
@@tusharjamwal slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Not a perfect saying imo as the meaning isn’t necessarily obvious at a glance, but the gist of it is that taking the time to do something carefully, methodically, and without unnecessary tension helps you avoid mistakes, and learning to do something that way helps build the kind of dexterity and muscle memory needed to eventually be able to do it quickly and cleanly.
funny how everyone alwayse only talkd about tosin when this dude does the same insane things on the guitars deffenetly underated player needs way more respect and attentio imo
@Apoorv Singh Kathait That can be true, but anyway Tosin leads. Listen to Javiers solo work to see what is his real style and how overwhelmed he is by Tosin
Some of his techniques he passed on to Tosin - I think a lot of the Classical Guitar style for example - and Javier's parts on The Madness of Many are insanely good - that album was more collaborative than the previous ones. Also his MESTIS band is crazy good
@ivebeen But by that logic all credit should go to Reggie and Victor Wooten since they invented the thumping technique, and to Evan Brewer who taught it to Tosin :D
Anymals as Leders douse not need a bassist because Javier Reyes would make that person irrelevant. This man is a machine!! Unbelievably consistent, precise, fast and a grate low end tone on his 8string. As a bassist I am incredibly inspired by this man. He makes me practices harder on my timing and constancy.
@@nickbell3546 Last time I looked into it, it was sold out! And I wasn't able to find a digital copy anywhere. Maybe you can point me to where I can find it?
@@stupidmonkey151 guitarmessenger has the Thump! course as a digital version. I grabbed it a week ago and it does a great job showing the techniques of AaL and their amazing playstyles!
@@skincone So I looked on their website and couldn't find the digital option anywhere! Could you please link the page for me, if you don't mind? I never understood why they didn't release a digital version right from the start lol.
@@stupidmonkey151 store.guitarmessenger.com/thump here ya go, that should do the trick! I don't understand it either, but I'm really glad they eventually did! They also have a course with Javier Reyes, I'm yet to purchase and try that one out 😁
Javier Reyes is a phenomenal artist and my honest opinion is that if people spent the time to give him the recognition he deserves instead of saying that he is underrated then he wouldn't be underrated.
I love this track so much. One of my top top favs of the album! And tosin's solos on this are out of this world too, along with ofc javier's tight playing
It is music for people that like to be up their own asses. Can't dance nor relax to it. Future classic? Nah... Bill Gates and accomplices will have killed us all off by then.
Michael Kelley I think I was on Koala Venom the night I wrote that. Still, I'm not digging the 'thump' style. I heard Tim Henson do it on 8-string last night... Still, just sounds like an anemic highpass filtered slap bass. To each their own...
This was one of my favorites from the last record. I really enjoyed watching this playthrough!!! So neat to put a visual to the music I've been hearing. Cheers!
so this the level of guitar skills where you can be completely comfortable standing on your apartment balcony at 2 AM not afraid to wake anyone or get kicked out
There's something about this guitar riff 0:56 - 1:06 that just connects with my brain... it sounds so wacky and jumpy, and it sticks in my head for years. Maybe its because I have anxiety and something about it just expresses how unsettled I feel, but I find myself trying to dance and sing it every once in a while.
Having gotten some advice from outside sources I have since learned quite a few things about the 8 string baritone guitar that I did not know before. One is that the setup on my JR-608 wasn't correct. Before I get into that I should say that my two favorite tunings are EBEADGBE (Javier's drop E from what I've heard), and DBEADGBE (Drop D seems to work better when playing some Black American music genres). The problem with the setup was that the Lowest E (or D) was set up too high off the fretboard. I believe that the action at the 12th fret is supposed to be around 0.090 to 0.105 and mine is quite a bit higher. This is actually how the action should be set up. I'll be taking it back to the luthier in a week or two so he can replace the current 0.75 he custom made for it with a 0.80 that he thinks will give me much better punch and tonal stability. I found that the action on the 12th fret for the highest E should be around 0.06 which is about what I have -- you can just *barely* feel it top the fret by pressing down. The solution involves adjusting the two tiny screws on each of the saddles that the strings ride on. Anyway, thanks to @László Csige for his help and much appreciated. I'm slowly getting the thumping (slap bass effect) down. It is NOT easy, but it is coming along. Actually getting music out of this wonderful instrument!
You reckon Matt also had to have a weird thumb to get into the band? Sick stuff, Javier. Keep on rocking. Been binging Mestís stuff this week, so good.
His left hand is like a spider. Effortlessly walking the fretboard. The right hand makes striking the string look easy. Your mind says "I can do this! Look how easy it is!" Then your fingers say "WTF" and immediately pretzelize. Jeez.
So now we see that the height of the guitar strap is inversely proportional to the level of skill of the guitarist (with several exceptions, of course)
Hi all, I'm having tonal instability with my JR-608 2018 w/o active pickups. I've been hearing that the stings that came with it (d'Addario super lights, from .009 to .065) need to be a little heavier. I've been looking at the d'Addario Heavy Bottoms and the thickness of the three bottom strings are .054, .064, .074. I'd like to keep the top 5 from the original d'Addario set but replace the bottom three with these. Are they heavy enough? Also, I'm concerned about the nut, which is a GraphTech Black Tusq. Any suggestions? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
What do you mean by "tonal instability"? Does the guitar not intonate well? .65 on the bottom is definitely still a bit too light in my opinion, except maybe if you tune the lower strings up for some reason, or playing some fingerstyle stuff with a gentle touch. For anything else the .65 just wont have enough tension when tuned around the normal F# for an 8th string on a 27" neck in my experience. You can definitely experiment with the gauges you mention, it'll definitely have enough tension to accomodate any normal tuning, although you'd most probably can get away with lighter strings, like .42 .54 .72 for the bottom three. My go-to setup for "Tosin's" EBEADGBE tuning is a .9 gauge 7string set with a separate .72 on top. So altogether something like .9/.11/.16/.24/.32/.42/.52/.72 If any string wont fit the stock nut, you can open it up carefully with a file. Or the better: take it to a luthier, becaue messing around with gauges this much will certainly require the neck and the intonation to be adjusted accordingly. An instrument of this caliber is certainly worth a proper set-up. Hope i could help somewhat
@@laszlo.csige2 Wow! Thanks for the advice. I'm a total novice but I got extremely lucky: I looked up luthiers in the Puget Sound area and the 2nd rated luthier here was at the same place where I bought a WL-20 bluetooth wireless setup for this guitar. The luck! I called him up and explained to him my problems with it. I spent an hour and a half talking to him while we both went through the guitar and every detail was discussed while he started working on it. I found out that even though it was a neck through guitar it has two truss rods. It made total sense when explained that the truss rods when adjusted properly were intended to counter the massive tension on the lowest 4 strings with the other rod counters torsion due to the fact that much lighter tension on that side. He also showed me how the Schaller-Hannes locking keys work and they don't need a wrap like on other baritone guitars. He had told me that I could pick it up at 3 yesterday if I wanted it back quick but he really wanted to work on this guitar and bring it back to life so I told him I'd just wait for him to get done with it. His strategy was to replace the four lowest four strings with the EXL140-8 Heavy Bottoms and replace the highest four strings with the highest four strings (your .9/.11/.16 and .24 run) from an EXL120-8 set. The biggest problem he noted was that the .74 on the EXL140-8 Heavy Bottom has a thicker winding than the .65 from the same set and that caused lots of problems because it was too whippy - the cores were the same but the actual winding was heavier. So what he did was instead he used an XLB-075 which has the same winding thickness as the .65 from the EXL140-8 set but a thicker core. He replaced the ball on the XLB-075 with the ball from the .74 so it would fit, strung it up, adjusted it and the results were perfect. So I have Drop E .75/.65/.54/.39/.24/.16/.11/.09 and the action is so low that lightly touching the high E on top of any of the first four takes barely noticeable pressure. On the lowest E the same is true but of course the clearance is noticeable. I has to be, but it only takes light pressure to bring it into contact with the top of the fret. He also intonated the strings and fixed the problem with the saddle for the lowest E. In addition, he told me that one of the things to watch for was having the strings too close to the pickups because the magfield in the pickups can induce a residiual and opposing field in the sting above it. He adjusted the pickups for that as well! If you or anyone reading this who is within the Puget Sound area would be interested in taking your guitar to him for setup you can contact me at k2ebennett@comcast.net and I'll give you the information. The money I spent was worth every penny and then some!
@@laszlo.csige2 I forgot to answer your question about tonal instability: I use a Polytune 3 chromatic tuner and one should be able to tune it without difficulty which I was able to do for the highest 5 strings on the guitar. This was before the luthier I mentioned worked on it. The tonal instability makes it nearly impossible to tune the guitar: the tone wavers all over the place with odd undertones and overtones that swamp the actual tone of the string. In my case, I couldn't tune the lowest E, the lowest B, or the next lowest E. The effect was crippling on the E and to some extent on the B, and the higher of the two E strings just a little. He totally resolved this issue. Keep in mind that the guitar I bought was a 2018 version that had been sitting for a while in a gear shop. I had no idea of the pedigree of the strings, whether they were old or new, but they just could not be tuned.
@@kevenbennett8827 Glad that he could sort the issue for you. Taking it to a professional is always the best idea, especially with such big problems, and with such a great instrument. The things you describe are interesting, for example i newer knew that they use truss rods to counter torsion in the neck. Regarding the strings: its nice to know that two identical gauge strings might not totally be the same as they use different combination of core/wrapwire to achieve the final gauge. However the solution you ended up with doesnt sound like a convenient one, as you have to mess with replacing ball ends on the lowest string each time you change strings, which has to be somewhat regular if you want to maintain the brightness of the sound you probably have now. Seems like too much complication for me. About the pickups: can you tell me the exact clearence he set it up for you? I'd like to check mine as well in this regard. For me, too low of an action caused excessive fret buzz on the lower strings, which sound horribly "squeeky" when amplified with high gain. Also if you want to play some stoppy riff or muted strumming where you left hand mute strings you can accidentally fret notes if the action is that low. So too low is not always the best in my opinion. For slap, with a slight gain it sounds awesome though.. Tuning wise: tuning the lower strings is not quite the same as tuning the upper ones. If you strum the lowest string its always going to go like a quarter step sharp even on a properly set up instrument. Thats not considered instability, its normal behaviour. What i do is tune the lowest string to in proximity of the desired note, then use my ear while picking it with a force that i'd normally use on it to tune it perfectly to pitch.
@@laszlo.csige2 I totally agree with you on most everything you've mentioned. What with that low clearance, he suggests bringing the guitar back in for a checkup in about a month unless there's problems. I think as I learn more how to play it I might find that the action is a bit too low, then I'll take it in and get it readjusted. Yeah, you are right: that string setup is not the most convenient solution but hey, it cost only $15 for the string and I don't have to do it! It might be a good idea for me to ask him to make me up a few extras just in case. As for the tonal instability, this is a little different. Actually, now the guitar performs as you just described, with a little sharp then true tone. Tonal instability is literally you can't even ear tune it, it's that bad. I don't know how or when or what model, year, config your JR-608 is but mine was not cared for properly. You may not have had to confront that issue, one, because you are an experienced professional and two, your guitar was cared for properly from the time it was "born" to the time it was in your hands for the first time. That's a guess, but tonal instability is a real thing and it sucks to have it. Here is a Gear Gods video about 8 string baritone guitars that discusses the issue in the last few minutes: ua-cam.com/video/Kkdf4J_ob7Y/v-deo.html . I don't depend totally on the Polytune 3 because in my younger days, I played a fretless fender Jazz bass and you gotta have an ear for that. :) I'll respond with another reply about the pickups. Do you want me to take a few photos of each pickup or would you prefer me to mike the string clearances?
I have a hard time with music like this. On one hand, the technique is insane and very impressive, and I respect the hell out of anyone who can play like this. It's also interesting to listen to on a technical level. On the other hand, it does nothing for me whatsoever on an emotional level, which makes it almost impossible to connect with. It's like listening to a math problem set to music.
@@CHRISAKAGB1082 you're making the assumption that I haven't already "looked closer" and listened to tons of it at various points in my life. It remains aesthetically fascinating music that does nothing for me on an emotional level.
Do you remember when you had to take math exams and the rush of adrenaline you felt because you needed to complete it before a time limit and then the second rush of knowing that you passed the test? That's the same I feel from this kind of music
I think something that a lot of people forget (or maybe I’m just ignorant) but the reason for Tosin being more popular is for the same reason Tim Henson is in polyhia Marketability now I don’t know much about Javier but I know I haven’t seen as many interviews with him as the focus I think it’s more about the charisma then the skill
Agreed! saw them in Charleston twice. First time was at a smaller venue: evan brewer, intronaut, and aal. I showed up late when intronaut was on and tosin was in the parking lot. Regrettably i didn't stop to talk, i went in because i was missing the performance. Sound was phenomenal... Second time was music farm: chon, conquering dystopia,aal.
Hi :) could you make video about harmonic Major cdefg a-flat b and his modes? :) I mean modal progressions,phrasing,motive development,improvisations etc :)
Javier looks like a cool math teacher
He is a cool math teacher 🎸
He’s probably really good at math
He's the Bruce Banner of Djent.
lol yes. Super cool but will put you in your place if you act up in class.
Oh he is a teacher For sure. Circa Physical education
When the guitar went pikitapikitapikitapikita wawa
I felt that
LMAO
@John Kravitz what up fellow peenoise
Same, but the part that went PICKUPAPANCAKE was where it really started to slap for me though
Lmbo
LMAOOOOOO
Javier deserves so much more praise for his skill than he currently gets.
I love the fact that they are teaching each other techniques. Javier helped Tosin improving “Classical” finger picking style, while Tosin taught Javier the double thump style.
javier actually taught it to tosin. he learned it from vic the man himself
@@debotoxgod6878 Actually Tosin learned the technique from bass player Evan Brewer (entheos, animosity, reflux) Evan grew up in nashville and learned the technique from the wooten brothers.
@@vincecarpenter661 i wonder why tosin always says that he saw victor doing it but im pretty sure evan was the one who taught it to him, maybe he hates him or sometin idk
@@zlayer4514 because wooten invented it dumbasss. evan learned from wooten, and tosin learned it from evan
@@zlayer4514er no He's explained Evan taught him before.
Insanity... 👌
oh, it's you. awkard seein u here after that night🤰.
So... collab when? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Dean Lamb, try learning this stuff. It would help you tremendously.
the guitar goes nicely with the background
The way he looks so nonchalant playing something 99% of the guitar community can't play is mind boggling
The only way to get this good at ANYTHING. Is do it chill, peacefully, tranquil. Being all try hard will either make you inconsistent or stall you out all together. Depending on the depth of the stick in your tooter.
@@3000-z7p how do you know? Are you this good at like a 100 different things and speaking from experience? I don't believe it.
It might be true, what you're saying, but how would you know?
@@tusharjamwalBecause it's common sense. Playing this sort of stuff while also focusing on showmanship (moving around, head banging, engaging with the crowd) is just another level of coordination that makes this 10x harder. Is it possible/worth being able to do? Of course! But a lot of these type of artists tend to be less showy in exchange for accuracy. It makes sense because you're relieving tension and you're not making any unnecessary movements by doing that stuff.
@@tusharjamwal slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Not a perfect saying imo as the meaning isn’t necessarily obvious at a glance, but the gist of it is that taking the time to do something carefully, methodically, and without unnecessary tension helps you avoid mistakes, and learning to do something that way helps build the kind of dexterity and muscle memory needed to eventually be able to do it quickly and cleanly.
funny how everyone alwayse only talkd about tosin when this dude does the same insane things on the guitars deffenetly underated player needs way more respect and attentio imo
I really prefer his solo work to AAL
i think he likes it that way.
@Apoorv Singh Kathait That can be true, but anyway Tosin leads. Listen to Javiers solo work to see what is his real style and how overwhelmed he is by Tosin
Some of his techniques he passed on to Tosin - I think a lot of the Classical Guitar style for example - and Javier's parts on The Madness of Many are insanely good - that album was more collaborative than the previous ones. Also his MESTIS band is crazy good
@ivebeen But by that logic all credit should go to Reggie and Victor Wooten since they invented the thumping technique, and to Evan Brewer who taught it to Tosin :D
Mr. Javier it's so good his technique is flawless. everyone reflects on Mr. Tosin. But Mr. Javier deserves a lot of credit too
Yes!🙌
oh my god his hands move like butter
exceptional technique
boywithani hella yes they are almost immobile
I’ve actually never watched butter play guitar. Is it pretty good?
Didn’t know butter moves
Anymals as Leders douse not need a bassist because Javier Reyes would make that person irrelevant. This man is a machine!! Unbelievably consistent, precise, fast and a grate low end tone on his 8string. As a bassist I am incredibly inspired by this man. He makes me practices harder on my timing and constancy.
Man Javier I don't think people give you enough credit. Perfect performance here.
I will master that dang thumping one day 😔
Get the thump dvd! I grabbed it 2 years ago and can do it pretty easily now. Just takes some practice!
@@nickbell3546 Last time I looked into it, it was sold out! And I wasn't able to find a digital copy anywhere. Maybe you can point me to where I can find it?
@@stupidmonkey151 guitarmessenger has the Thump! course as a digital version. I grabbed it a week ago and it does a great job showing the techniques of AaL and their amazing playstyles!
@@skincone So I looked on their website and couldn't find the digital option anywhere! Could you please link the page for me, if you don't mind?
I never understood why they didn't release a digital version right from the start lol.
@@stupidmonkey151 store.guitarmessenger.com/thump here ya go, that should do the trick! I don't understand it either, but I'm really glad they eventually did! They also have a course with Javier Reyes, I'm yet to purchase and try that one out 😁
Sounds like he's trying to communicate with the Decepticons
Nope. He is succeeding
Javier Reyes is a phenomenal artist and my honest opinion is that if people spent the time to give him the recognition he deserves instead of saying that he is underrated then he wouldn't be underrated.
I love this track so much. One of my top top favs of the album! And tosin's solos on this are out of this world too, along with ofc javier's tight playing
It's amazing how calm you look when you're playing this insane stuff. Total control of your instrument. A true master.
Update 29/12/22 Finally received this guitar. It is a beautiful guitar, beautifully made, and an absolute beast to play. Thank you for being awesome 🥰
You guys noticed all these amazing 8 strings thumpers all have one thing in common... A 90 degree thumb joint.
I thought Tosin was the only one with The Thumb
It is music for people that like to be up their own asses. Can't dance nor relax to it. Future classic? Nah... Bill Gates and accomplices will have killed us all off by then.
@@oldnikix what are you even sayin dude lmao
Michael Kelley I think I was on Koala Venom the night I wrote that. Still, I'm not digging the 'thump' style. I heard Tim Henson do it on 8-string last night... Still, just sounds like an anemic highpass filtered slap bass. To each their own...
Look up Andrew Bent dude.
What these 3 guys have are set of inhuman skills that we can only dream of acquiring. And his smile at 4:00. Hopefully I get there one day :P
Wtf..... this guy is an absolute beast. Aal are a powerhouse. I cant wait (sincerely hope) to see them a next time.
love coming back to this .. after listening to much other guitarists .. this piece just sets everything right for me
Dude has entered a whole new dimension of guitar playing
The one trick that stumped Penn & Teller... switching from "thumbping" to picking.
His hands just simply flow so easily and graciously over the fretboard...
This was one of my favorites from the last record. I really enjoyed watching this playthrough!!! So neat to put a visual to the music I've been hearing. Cheers!
Crazy 🤯 I love it ❤ easy to see and comprehend that AAL stands firmly on all its three pillars 🙌 and all three matter equally.
Awesome, i love see you playing
The one who disliked the video was trying to "thumb it down"
Get it?
he's learning i guess
Looks like only I get it... = p
Slappa da bass!
Loooool
That was awesome his smile when the chinas hit toward the end.
Youre nuts! Cant wait to hear whatever beautiful music has come from your guys' brains during this lockdown stuff
this mans just feelin it, awesome vibes
Mind blowing. You’ve been on my favorite albums of all time. This made my day so much brighter!
Yooo this shoot is so cleannn.
Much love, Javier! ♡♡♡
Neat! Javier always blows my mind! Gracias!
So clean this guy. Awesome
Insane!
This video deserves more likes. Awesome video my guy
so this the level of guitar skills where you can be completely comfortable standing on your apartment balcony at 2 AM not afraid to wake anyone or get kicked out
To be fair that's possible in 2020 when you can DI your guitar, 30 years ago you would definitely have woken everyone up with a big fatass amp lmao
There's something about this guitar riff 0:56 - 1:06 that just connects with my brain... it sounds so wacky and jumpy, and it sticks in my head for years. Maybe its because I have anxiety and something about it just expresses how unsettled I feel, but I find myself trying to dance and sing it every once in a while.
this is still my favorite song
Nice backdrop, cool video, chuggernaught
What kind of bas assery is this!!! Awesome
Back watching this again..... THIS IS FUCKIN AWESOME!!! ! !
Awesome Javier!!
Having gotten some advice from outside sources I have since learned quite a few things about the 8 string baritone guitar that I did not know before. One is that the setup on my JR-608 wasn't correct. Before I get into that I should say that my two favorite tunings are EBEADGBE (Javier's drop E from what I've heard), and DBEADGBE (Drop D seems to work better when playing some Black American music genres). The problem with the setup was that the Lowest E (or D) was set up too high off the fretboard. I believe that the action at the 12th fret is supposed to be around 0.090 to 0.105 and mine is quite a bit higher. This is actually how the action should be set up. I'll be taking it back to the luthier in a week or two so he can replace the current 0.75 he custom made for it with a 0.80 that he thinks will give me much better punch and tonal stability. I found that the action on the 12th fret for the highest E should be around 0.06 which is about what I have -- you can just *barely* feel it top the fret by pressing down. The solution involves adjusting the two tiny screws on each of the saddles that the strings ride on. Anyway, thanks to @László Csige for his help and much appreciated. I'm slowly getting the thumping (slap bass effect) down. It is NOT easy, but it is coming along. Actually getting music out of this wonderful instrument!
Filetes de tiempos ! Saludos Brother.
Amazing! Muchas gracias Javier!
Heavy metal Weather Report. I dig. I wish my dad was still alive, I think he would've dug this too.
Orale, Love this guy!
You reckon Matt also had to have a weird thumb to get into the band?
Sick stuff, Javier. Keep on rocking. Been binging Mestís stuff this week, so good.
more playthough plz
Out of all the sounds and music you can make, how does one end up with this?
Dude can get so many rides with that hitchhiker thumb haha
strings 8/8
technique 10/8
Fuckn rad AF !!
Beautiful
His left hand is like a spider. Effortlessly walking the fretboard. The right hand makes striking the string look easy. Your mind says "I can do this! Look how easy it is!" Then your fingers say "WTF" and immediately pretzelize. Jeez.
un grande, saludos desde chile
I close my eyes and hear water. I watch the vid and think backing track. Thumbs up regardless.
Amazing!
This is excellent, thanks for the upload
This is so fucking awesome.
Thank you
when you thump is all the muting coming from your left hand?
This one is better than the CD version
so clean
I think I have arthritis after just watching this
AlexR47x You meant to say you have Arithmophobia?
@@Demiurge66 no i think he meant arthritis
@@baraldobumpa3447 wooosh
New Animals album soon???
Que video tan mas hermoso.
He's speaking cybertronian with his guitar
ah.. that's when i realized it was a bass playthrough
Javier King
Javier eres mi ídolo 🤘🏻🖤
So now we see that the height of the guitar strap is inversely proportional to the level of skill of the guitarist (with several exceptions, of course)
Hi all, I'm having tonal instability with my JR-608 2018 w/o active pickups. I've been hearing that the stings that came with it (d'Addario super lights, from .009 to .065) need to be a little heavier. I've been looking at the d'Addario Heavy Bottoms and the thickness of the three bottom strings are .054, .064, .074. I'd like to keep the top 5 from the original d'Addario set but replace the bottom three with these. Are they heavy enough? Also, I'm concerned about the nut, which is a GraphTech Black Tusq. Any suggestions? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
What do you mean by "tonal instability"? Does the guitar not intonate well? .65 on the bottom is definitely still a bit too light in my opinion, except maybe if you tune the lower strings up for some reason, or playing some fingerstyle stuff with a gentle touch. For anything else the .65 just wont have enough tension when tuned around the normal F# for an 8th string on a 27" neck in my experience.
You can definitely experiment with the gauges you mention, it'll definitely have enough tension to accomodate any normal tuning, although you'd most probably can get away with lighter strings, like .42 .54 .72 for the bottom three.
My go-to setup for "Tosin's" EBEADGBE tuning is a .9 gauge 7string set with a separate .72 on top. So altogether something like .9/.11/.16/.24/.32/.42/.52/.72
If any string wont fit the stock nut, you can open it up carefully with a file. Or the better: take it to a luthier, becaue messing around with gauges this much will certainly require the neck and the intonation to be adjusted accordingly. An instrument of this caliber is certainly worth a proper set-up.
Hope i could help somewhat
@@laszlo.csige2 Wow! Thanks for the advice. I'm a total novice but I got extremely lucky: I looked up luthiers in the Puget Sound area and the 2nd rated luthier here was at the same place where I bought a WL-20 bluetooth wireless setup for this guitar. The luck! I called him up and explained to him my problems with it. I spent an hour and a half talking to him while we both went through the guitar and every detail was discussed while he started working on it. I found out that even though it was a neck through guitar it has two truss rods. It made total sense when explained that the truss rods when adjusted properly were intended to counter the massive tension on the lowest 4 strings with the other rod counters torsion due to the fact that much lighter tension on that side. He also showed me how the Schaller-Hannes locking keys work and they don't need a wrap like on other baritone guitars. He had told me that I could pick it up at 3 yesterday if I wanted it back quick but he really wanted to work on this guitar and bring it back to life so I told him I'd just wait for him to get done with it. His strategy was to replace the four lowest four strings with the EXL140-8 Heavy Bottoms and replace the highest four strings with the highest four strings (your .9/.11/.16 and .24 run) from an EXL120-8 set. The biggest problem he noted was that the .74 on the EXL140-8 Heavy Bottom has a thicker winding than the .65 from the same set and that caused lots of problems because it was too whippy - the cores were the same but the actual winding was heavier. So what he did was instead he used an XLB-075 which has the same winding thickness as the .65 from the EXL140-8 set but a thicker core. He replaced the ball on the XLB-075 with the ball from the .74 so it would fit, strung it up, adjusted it and the results were perfect. So I have Drop E .75/.65/.54/.39/.24/.16/.11/.09 and the action is so low that lightly touching the high E on top of any of the first four takes barely noticeable pressure. On the lowest E the same is true but of course the clearance is noticeable. I has to be, but it only takes light pressure to bring it into contact with the top of the fret. He also intonated the strings and fixed the problem with the saddle for the lowest E. In addition, he told me that one of the things to watch for was having the strings too close to the pickups because the magfield in the pickups can induce a residiual and opposing field in the sting above it. He adjusted the pickups for that as well! If you or anyone reading this who is within the Puget Sound area would be interested in taking your guitar to him for setup you can contact me at k2ebennett@comcast.net and I'll give you the information. The money I spent was worth every penny and then some!
@@laszlo.csige2 I forgot to answer your question about tonal instability: I use a Polytune 3 chromatic tuner and one should be able to tune it without difficulty which I was able to do for the highest 5 strings on the guitar. This was before the luthier I mentioned worked on it. The tonal instability makes it nearly impossible to tune the guitar: the tone wavers all over the place with odd undertones and overtones that swamp the actual tone of the string. In my case, I couldn't tune the lowest E, the lowest B, or the next lowest E. The effect was crippling on the E and to some extent on the B, and the higher of the two E strings just a little. He totally resolved this issue. Keep in mind that the guitar I bought was a 2018 version that had been sitting for a while in a gear shop. I had no idea of the pedigree of the strings, whether they were old or new, but they just could not be tuned.
@@kevenbennett8827 Glad that he could sort the issue for you. Taking it to a professional is always the best idea, especially with such big problems, and with such a great instrument.
The things you describe are interesting, for example i newer knew that they use truss rods to counter torsion in the neck.
Regarding the strings: its nice to know that two identical gauge strings might not totally be the same as they use different combination of core/wrapwire to achieve the final gauge. However the solution you ended up with doesnt sound like a convenient one, as you have to mess with replacing ball ends on the lowest string each time you change strings, which has to be somewhat regular if you want to maintain the brightness of the sound you probably have now. Seems like too much complication for me.
About the pickups: can you tell me the exact clearence he set it up for you? I'd like to check mine as well in this regard.
For me, too low of an action caused excessive fret buzz on the lower strings, which sound horribly "squeeky" when amplified with high gain. Also if you want to play some stoppy riff or muted strumming where you left hand mute strings you can accidentally fret notes if the action is that low. So too low is not always the best in my opinion. For slap, with a slight gain it sounds awesome though..
Tuning wise: tuning the lower strings is not quite the same as tuning the upper ones. If you strum the lowest string its always going to go like a quarter step sharp even on a properly set up instrument. Thats not considered instability, its normal behaviour. What i do is tune the lowest string to in proximity of the desired note, then use my ear while picking it with a force that i'd normally use on it to tune it perfectly to pitch.
@@laszlo.csige2 I totally agree with you on most everything you've mentioned. What with that low clearance, he suggests bringing the guitar back in for a checkup in about a month unless there's problems. I think as I learn more how to play it I might find that the action is a bit too low, then I'll take it in and get it readjusted. Yeah, you are right: that string setup is not the most convenient solution but hey, it cost only $15 for the string and I don't have to do it! It might be a good idea for me to ask him to make me up a few extras just in case. As for the tonal instability, this is a little different. Actually, now the guitar performs as you just described, with a little sharp then true tone. Tonal instability is literally you can't even ear tune it, it's that bad. I don't know how or when or what model, year, config your JR-608 is but mine was not cared for properly. You may not have had to confront that issue, one, because you are an experienced professional and two, your guitar was cared for properly from the time it was "born" to the time it was in your hands for the first time. That's a guess, but tonal instability is a real thing and it sucks to have it. Here is a Gear Gods video about 8 string baritone guitars that discusses the issue in the last few minutes: ua-cam.com/video/Kkdf4J_ob7Y/v-deo.html . I don't depend totally on the Polytune 3 because in my younger days, I played a fretless fender Jazz bass and you gotta have an ear for that. :) I'll respond with another reply about the pickups. Do you want me to take a few photos of each pickup or would you prefer me to mike the string clearances?
I have a hard time with music like this. On one hand, the technique is insane and very impressive, and I respect the hell out of anyone who can play like this. It's also interesting to listen to on a technical level. On the other hand, it does nothing for me whatsoever on an emotional level, which makes it almost impossible to connect with. It's like listening to a math problem set to music.
Look closer. Find the music in it.
@@CHRISAKAGB1082 you're making the assumption that I haven't already "looked closer" and listened to tons of it at various points in my life. It remains aesthetically fascinating music that does nothing for me on an emotional level.
timg2727 lol tbh convince yourself bro took me a good while to understand myself
@@CHRISAKAGB1082 or, y'know, maybe different people just have different taste in music. I'm not saying I don't like it.
Do you remember when you had to take math exams and the rush of adrenaline you felt because you needed to complete it before a time limit and then the second rush of knowing that you passed the test? That's the same I feel from this kind of music
sick!
Drumming with guitars
BRUTAL
Dude I’ve been practicing for a week straight and I still can’t get that thumb thing down 😩
How it is now after an year?
@@exile9796 eh…. my thumb is weird. I can definitely get it, but it doesn’t sound as good on the upstroke.
@@mallek1989 yeeah the upstroke is weird, that's why I always mute it...
Soo dope.
it can be played as a pick
I think something that a lot of people forget (or maybe I’m just ignorant) but the reason for Tosin being more popular is for the same reason Tim Henson is in polyhia
Marketability now I don’t know much about Javier but I know I haven’t seen as many interviews with him as the focus
I think it’s more about the charisma then the skill
Awesome play through!
Eclipse pick ups?
So. effin. Sick. 👏
this sounds better than the album version..
Perfekt
Notice he was strumming and emulating a pick without using one
Y'all need to comeback to Charleston Sc when all this coral bullshit is over. Love that are tone!
Agreed! saw them in Charleston twice. First time was at a smaller venue: evan brewer, intronaut, and aal. I showed up late when intronaut was on and tosin was in the parking lot. Regrettably i didn't stop to talk, i went in because i was missing the performance. Sound was phenomenal... Second time was music farm: chon, conquering dystopia,aal.
Goooooodd🤘
Hi :) could you make video about harmonic Major
cdefg a-flat b and his modes? :)
I mean modal progressions,phrasing,motive development,improvisations etc :)
I just...contorted. LOL.
Are you serious???!!!!! Bionic hand!!
Hey man, if you wanna come out as a bassist its ok?.. This is 2020 now we dont judge here
No pick needed.
Acktually these techniques predate modern society going all the way back to Gobekli Tempi.
That low string sounds like bites should sound
El viejon
His technique tho
Hell yes!!