Absolutely. The only reason why I didn't get a Polaris is that I don't have the people to crew it; absolutely a ship I look forward to earning in game! @@DismayingHades6
I'm going to use it for exploration instead of a Carrack or Odyssey. Great scanners, med bed, fit a ship and ground vehicle. Similar size to the Carrack or Odyssey as well.
The section ''How will we use it?'' with the fleet position and the ship role is a really nice touch that I haven't seen elsewhere on other channels. It really brings it all into perspective. Good way to demark yourself!
Happy to see so many people willing to be non-pilot crew, because I am certainly not. It seems like I am in a minority, and that is GREAT news for anyone with a big ship.
I’m the leader of an org and of our 11 players only 3 (including me) actually like piloting, while the rest is preferring not to do that. This is why we are getting ourselves a Kraken, as it both has the capability to support our two fighter pilots and the ability to sustain our industrial fleet.
I‘ve always loved piloting. The bigger and more sluggish the ship the better. I am positively surprised by your findings as I‘d always expected to fight over the seat. My dream role is navigator/pilot - don‘t need to be co or cap.
I never understoood the map problem. Its not as bad as everyone makes it in my opinion. I could always go everywhere i needed with almost no trouble.@@cjwyalk7843
I mostly play solo or with just a friend or two, so the Polaris is one of those ships that I find interesting, but not one that I'll ever want in my Hangar. That said, I had to rewind when I heard you describe the ship matrix as containing porky pies. Love it.
Oh, when I have friends online that do have the bigger ships, it is often fun to crew up and do something. I have a couple of friends with Reclaimers and those are a surprising amount of fun considering you're essentially playing power wash simulator and slo-mo Tetris.
I bought the Polaris when it first was announced because I absolutely loved the concept... I've spent years considering how I will deploy this asset in the PU and quite frankly, it appears, so far, to be a very versatile ship and lore wise; it is the first UEE Hull that was designed after the capture of a Vanduul carrier! The angular hull design and "sloping" sides is supposed to help with Vanduul ship melee attacks and breaching attacks. At present, our org plans to use this as our first capital ship and we intend to conduct patrols during events and periodic raids with it. Our org also has an Idris and Javelin but most orgs will get their Polaris before the other aforementioned capital ships so I expect to see a LOT of Polaris movement/combat after it releases.
Great overview - I had thought of upgrading my Hammerhead to the Polaris but after this I see the HH is perfect for our little group and will support the other ships nicely. Thanks!!
@@Boss-Possum Ya I am seeing the Hammerhead in a great spot to be the shield for most bigger ships as she is designed for fighter suppression and to shoot down missiles and torpedoes. They will be buying my crew those round of drinks for saving their butts from another Polaris torpedo barrage 💪🏻
It seems like the most versatile of capital ships: Lots of cargo to bring supplies to a frontline, reinforcment if you bring a lot of ground vehicules, can punch through a siege/blockade to ressuply a cutoff force or hunt for capital ships with the size 10 torpedoes, can enforce a blockade because of the number of size 5 weapon on turrets and capital radar(can even bring a police small ship to bring things out of quantum and force them to abide by the inspection).
The Polaris has always been my go-to dream boat for Search and Rescue along with Bounty Hunting opps. The real "Cowboy Bebop" experience with a MPUV and Anvil Hawk and a dream. We'll see if that works, or if I'll need to "downgrade" to the liberator for this, but I see the Polaris being an excellent home away from home.
@@LoudGuns Too true! But bluffing a pirate crew into letting you go even though you spent your last million creds on noodles instead of restocking torps? Peak bebop.
In terms of naval ships the Polaris seems to fit the role of destroyer. A smaller ship capable of detecting much larger ships and capable of destroying them when given the chance. Another example would be the Javelin as a battleship more precisely the Yamato. Absolutely massive ship with massive guns supporting it. I could see the Idris being like the Yamato but it doesn’t have the massive size 9s and 7s as well as it’s sheer size. Making the idris a beast at range. But to me the Polaris is super appealing. And I’m not gonna lie I’d love to see an org fit a mass amount of murai ships in it.
I speculated in my video that the frontal turret might go up to 2x Size 6's, but we'll see in a few months... P.S. Excellent video, great commentary, loved every second of it.
There's a beer with your name on it at Bar Citizen, really interesting video. I look forward to the engineering loop in one of these, I think gelling up a regular crew is going to be a lot of fun, and a force multiplier over any scratch crew. Your point on insurance is good, there's going to be a strong incentive to preserve the ship if at all possible which brings up that repairs will be expensive, certainly any you cannot do yourself, and may well be fairly resource hungry so folk will find that the cap ships, and large non combat ships (Arrastra looking at you!) are going to have significant running costs. Those S10 torps will no doubt be a pretty penny each. A small org that doesn't have a robust income and resouce base may struggle to keep one on high availability. Lot of good points to ponder and theorycraft.
My Idea for my polaris is, if I can get a dependable crew, our all around "starship enterprise" experience. it is the all-around starship. with enough punch to dissuade all but the most determined aggressors. vehicle bay, fighter hangar... what CAN'T you do with a Polaris? it's like the Carrack's big brother.
Thank you for the very good video about the Polaris! Hopefully the introduction of masternodes and the increase in the number of players per server will lead to epic space battles that everyone will enjoy!
"Good for multicrew" You just watch me solo daily drive that baby. I'll use it for box missions and touring. I got a total of 2 ships as my whole fleet. Polaris and Reliant Tana to put in it's hangar. Need nothing else!
Cracking overview. I am holding back on trading in all my CCU’s to this until it’s released and then inevitably nerfed! I really want to put an RSI Scorpius in the hangar but my brain says the F7A MkII for the win…I just need to have it all RSI though to quench my OCD 😂
I was surprised when they said they would increase the size of the Polaris a bit but I didnt know it would be to the point a heavy fighter can fit in there. Seeing the Scorp come out of the Polaris is amazing to see because I own both the Polaris and Scorp. I look forward to whenever it release.
I can't wait for this ship. The Galaxy was love-at-first-sight, the Polaris took longer, but I'm just as excited to this as I am for my beloved Galaxy. This ship will definitely be my daily-driver once it's out this year. It's too much dreaming to think it will be ready for Invictus, but I'm sure by CitCon/IAE 2954 it will be ready.
Have a polaris as expected to be released this year. After watching this video , got the Scorpius and Antares to use with it . Gonna be fun locking down a big ship like the 890 jump with the antares. When you demand a ransom, they will stop laughing when you point to the polaris.
I did not know the polaris had a brig, that could be a cool addition for future of bounty hunter. Even for smaller crews you could use it as a base to hunt bounties.
Im pretty new to the game, but I’d see this ship more on the mid-backside of the fight. It’s torpedos help fighting bigger targets over distances and its ability to refuel, rearm and repair makes it a great support ship with the ability to defend itself thanks to its turrets.
The Polaris is the only true combat capital ship not restricted for purchase. Meaning, you can wait to get it. Also, it is an attack ship. Its main combat function is raiding. It is very bad at defending or interdiction.
The size Five manned turrets with only two guns should get two more guns on the manned turrets I would be fine with them being size Three or four. I also hope the repair and refueling in the hanger get buffed compared to what they said, but not really needed.
Manned turrets will never be worth manning so long as they’re less dps than a single seat ship. Atm, that’s the Corsair. Any person manning the Polaris turret would be more useful to the Polaris flying escort in a Corsair. They have to fundamentally rethink crewed gunning and accept the fact that other ships exist. Imo, you’re right that the turrets need more firepower. Either 4x S5, or 2x S6. More than that, a single gunner station needs to control any two turrets simultaneously. Otherwise we are never ever going to see viable long term multicrew. It’s just gonna be solo people with ai crews in big empty ships. I do not understand their obsession with convincing crew members that they’re wasting their time by playing with other people. No one is gonna log in day-in-day out to sit in a weak turret that can only see a portion of the rear arc.
Polaris is going to be an excellent flag ship in CSAR type missions. I just wish the hangar was a bit bigger so as to fit an Apollo Medivac inside. I plan to run mine with a fighter, C8R and Terrapin in my hangar. Hopefully we get a medical URSA soon too for the vehicle/cargo bay.
It remains to be seen if CIG can work out server meshing to the point where you can have a lot of these fully crewed larger ships in the area and not have the server go to trash. Time will tell.
I think i'd like for the engineering room/area to be decreased a bit to make some additional room for cargo. Not that 200+ SCU is bad at all, but for a capital ship this size, I think we need a BIT more room for cargo.
It would be interesting to see how much the Polaris would be once it's flight ready. It's $750 US at the moment but I expect to jump to $900 or more, I would be very surprised if it would be $850
I have plans to use a Polaris+scorpius as a center of a strike group, flanked by two Perseus and a medical galaxy+pisces. I think for crew sizes and amenities this will be an optimal "wolf pack" style strike team or mobile flanking group in a larger fleet. To me it seems the larger rsi ships are fitting well together for this role. For this reason I got them all in my hangar lol
you will be able to rent a crew... but multi playing is the whole idea behind big ships. Turrets can be assigned to AI blades, but engineering, strategy positions I will not leave to AI lol. Polaris is torpedo boat, not gunboat. Just remember, torps is slow but long range
I really hope the nose turret is size 6, size 5 would be fine but I liked when the nose turret was the bigger of them all, adding to the idea of an arrowhead.
Aside from the crew requirement, the biggest argument against the Polaris for me is how costly those torpedoes are going to be. It would break me to casually throw away the cost of a light fighter with the push of a button, let alone to then see that torpedo shot down.
Doubt they'll be THAT pricy. Wouldn't make sense for a torp to cost as much as even a small fighter given they have no QT drive, no human control components, no life support, etc. They're just a big lump of explosives with an engine and guidance systems.
If you get the hits. If they cost, say, a million credits each...a single salvo would cost 4 million credits. Doubt the reclaim price on an Idris is 4 million credits. So it would cost the Polaris more to kill the Idris than it would cost to get a new one, which is ridiculous. And even that's IF all 4 hit and were sufficient to do the job. Note size 9 torps, one size down, cost 5000 credits. 5000 to a million or more for one size bigger torp is a bit of a jump.@@theMedicatedCitizen
Certainly likely to be pricey kit - for the comparison with ships though keep in mind those are going up 4-12x. I'd also be incredibly surprised if reclaim on an Idris is as little as 4m :D
Some are going up 4-12x. Some are staying put or even getting cheaper. They said they were lowering the cost of a C8R, for instance. I don't see any world where a C8R (500,000) is cheaper than a torpedo. I fully expect they'll be expensive...but comes a point where they have to take fun into account, and it's not fun going broke every time you have to rearm. I'm betting in the 100k/Each level. Painful enough not to fire them at everything, but cheap enough that it makes sense in the game world when compared to everything else. And again, Size 9 torps are currently 5k. If they increased the price on that tenfold, it'd still only be 50k. We'll see.@@LoudGuns
@@LoudGuns Yeah I expect loooong claim times for capital ships, measured in days or weeks not minutes. People hate the idea but will come to like it. It means they'll get the chance to use-and crew-their absurdly large fleets. It will mean more. And it means poor commanders will have down time to spend time crewing on other people's ships, and hopefully learn something from the experience.
The biggest issue is my mind for multi-crew is that there are all these boring mundane positions on the ship that no one will want to do forcing us to use ai blades
It'll be the first ship that'll make ORGs implode. I'm looking forward to the ship. I was playing around with hanger Link, looks like you fan fit a Pisces rescue, 2 arrows and a few fury's all at the same time. Or a legionnaire turned sideways with an arrow and furys
I believe that's what I said - he confirmed shield and cooler have been upped to Capital but beyond that I couldn't find further detail on things like the Computers / QT Drive etc.
lookin forward to crewing it. Or aiding with a crewed liberator. Couple escort pilots. Maybe extra storage space for any siezed goods. Nice hype vid for the bigguns!
But who will look forward to manning these turrets more than once or twice for novelty? The side turrets can’t fire forward because they’re right behind cheek mounts, and the two side turrets bafflingly aren’t spine and belly mounts, so the ship can’t broadside without rolling up to present its massive pancake as a target. One of your gunners gets to look at green sky box I guess. The other can fire for the moments the target is in view, but of course you can’t really see targets from ball turrets until they’re in your firing arc, making it really hard to actually deliver consistent dps. Worse, even if the turrets had better placement, their dps is still garbage. 2xS5! Oh boy! I can’t wait to have less dps than a F7C! Not even half a Corsair but I also have poor sight lines and don’t get any of the fun of flying a ship! They have to fundamentally reconsider the experience of crewing ships as gunners. The Polaris should have two gunner stations that each triangulate and fire (at once, none of that reclaimer nonsense of only one turret can shoot) half the turrets in the ship. Only then would it actually be a viable alternative to just flying a Corsair. As it is, every single person in the Polaris turrets should leave the ship entirely and get in a Corsair-they’d be much better at actually defending the Polaris and helping it accomplish things.
this ship will be my flying base where i can deploy ground vehicles for bunkers or down the road deploy ground base builders to build a base or ground mine ill even use it to trade with and support friends with its medical habs and hanger to carry around their prospectors or vultures ill also be doing other stuff with it like bountys and beacons and medical rescues
We keep throwing around the name jacking as a full sized capital ship but I don’t think the javelin is anywhere near the same class as the idris or kraken lol. It’s probably better classifies as a large or very large capital ship.
It's certainly next level (although looking at the Kraken in particular you've got to factor in a full squadron of fighter and bomber pilots to go along with the ship itself). But there's a gulf between the Polaris and the next level up.
You either launch point blank or get Somone who is in nav mode (now that is) from a long distance away. It's easy to get people to dump all their counter measures with small sized missiles from your fighter or the size3's
Perhaps the attraction for multi crew will remain but dependant upon the Delphi (reputation) system and/or additional systems that are less lawful such as Pyro. With the current one system (Stanton) I rarely have issues manning my Reclaimer for salvage, Redeemer for Bounties etc and being in an Org will also most definitely make manning my Polaris easy. Full disclosure I do still love solo role play also.
I went for the Polaris, instead of the Perseus, as I’m a torpedo boi who likes blowing up Idris and I was looking for a mothership to cruise Pyro. I’m actually wondering if I get to enjoy the Retaliator Gold standard before the Polaris arrives, as they are in the same CCU chain.
The Polaris is going to suffer "oh sh!t, it's a Polaris!" Syndrome. I feel bad for the people who think they are going to solo this. No Org is going to let a Polaris just cruise around in their territory. It has a 14 person crew for a reason.
I don't think Org Terrority is going to be that much of an issue. As well, The Polaris is a combat ship, but it is capable of a lot more. Quite a few have other plans for it.
Ugh ... those size 10 torps will make fleet engagements with Polarises really rather boring. Both opposing Polarises will stay at maximum radar range, but out of range of each other's torps, and each fleet will bring in a mess of Retaliators and Eclipses to take out the enemy Polaris. And the moment one of the two Polarises is down, it's game over for that fleet as the remaining Polaris will then close in and start taking out all the large ships on the enemy fleets with their torps. Honestly, I would have preferred their first capital ship released would have been one that can't easily just two-shot other capital ships :/
Remember that in CIG's head space combat is Pacific War. This is a Japanese cruiser with a good spread of Type 92s. Get caught and its sayonara, the trick is not to get caught. We don't yet know how armour will protect and part of the lore behind the Ares range is being part of deasling with a heavy armoured ship. Ditto the ballsitc Corsair build, two in the hands of good pilots can really spoil an Idris' day.
Things shown in trailers might not be representative of game balance! More seriously though people do have a bit of a tendency to forget SC is just a game and as such we'll see plenty of balancing and rebalancing along the way - torpedoes too powerful? Make them slower etc.
I think guessing gun size should be put on hold since they are redoing the gimbal system and adding them to most of the mounts and turrets. Possible these are size 5, I did hear these was gimbaled and that would mean now they might be size 5 after the change?
No need for shame where maintenance costs, fuel costs, armament costs, docking/hangar fees, the cost of upgrades, insurance, ship delivery time/cost and crewing obligations will do. After their personal point of usability, all anyone is buying is day 1, in-game debt.
Man, I am happy for you Polaris guys but I can’t wait for my Perseus
both of those ships will be insanely awesome!
Absolutely. The only reason why I didn't get a Polaris is that I don't have the people to crew it; absolutely a ship I look forward to earning in game! @@DismayingHades6
i have both
I’ve been really thinking very hard about getting Perseus… hard to put down that kinda money on a ship we won’t see for probably 2 years tho
I can offer you to be crew on my Polaris and I'll be crew on your Perseus! :)
I use to day dream about this thing during my deployment a couple years back, it’s going to be a good day seeing it ingame finally
Indeed! Certainly makes for a pretty good day dream :D
Not for ships that will be it's prey.
I'm the same way about bmm
I'm going to use it for exploration instead of a Carrack or Odyssey. Great scanners, med bed, fit a ship and ground vehicle. Similar size to the Carrack or Odyssey as well.
Heck yeah man, been waiting for the bmm too! @Rooskiy
The 1st mission I'm doing in mine: box delivery.
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nothing can top the feeling of your first ever box delivery in your aurora
grab like 20 other people and all do box delivery with it
Medical rescue for me
The section ''How will we use it?'' with the fleet position and the ship role is a really nice touch that I haven't seen elsewhere on other channels. It really brings it all into perspective. Good way to demark yourself!
Happy to see so many people willing to be non-pilot crew, because I am certainly not. It seems like I am in a minority, and that is GREAT news for anyone with a big ship.
You’ll be in the minority till they fix the F2 starmap, I loathe piloting just because of that
I’m the leader of an org and of our 11 players only 3 (including me) actually like piloting, while the rest is preferring not to do that. This is why we are getting ourselves a Kraken, as it both has the capability to support our two fighter pilots and the ability to sustain our industrial fleet.
I‘ve always loved piloting. The bigger and more sluggish the ship the better. I am positively surprised by your findings as I‘d always expected to fight over the seat. My dream role is navigator/pilot - don‘t need to be co or cap.
Bro are you in my org ☠️☠️☠️@@n.k.2662
I never understoood the map problem. Its not as bad as everyone makes it in my opinion. I could always go everywhere i needed with almost no trouble.@@cjwyalk7843
I mostly play solo or with just a friend or two, so the Polaris is one of those ships that I find interesting, but not one that I'll ever want in my Hangar. That said, I had to rewind when I heard you describe the ship matrix as containing porky pies. Love it.
You never know - when we get these ships coming online it might be the inspiration to crew up! Not that that means you need one in your hangar :D
Oh, when I have friends online that do have the bigger ships, it is often fun to crew up and do something. I have a couple of friends with Reclaimers and those are a surprising amount of fun considering you're essentially playing power wash simulator and slo-mo Tetris.
Don't you want to be the biggest predator in the sea? It has a crew of what is it , 14? But should be able to hunt solo.
i really wish they would stop having capitals have a cockpit at the front and instead have a command deck
I bought the Polaris when it first was announced because I absolutely loved the concept... I've spent years considering how I will deploy this asset in the PU and quite frankly, it appears, so far, to be a very versatile ship and lore wise; it is the first UEE Hull that was designed after the capture of a Vanduul carrier! The angular hull design and "sloping" sides is supposed to help with Vanduul ship melee attacks and breaching attacks. At present, our org plans to use this as our first capital ship and we intend to conduct patrols during events and periodic raids with it. Our org also has an Idris and Javelin but most orgs will get their Polaris before the other aforementioned capital ships so I expect to see a LOT of Polaris movement/combat after it releases.
Great overview - I had thought of upgrading my Hammerhead to the Polaris but after this I see the HH is perfect for our little group and will support the other ships nicely. Thanks!!
I'm using the Hammerhead as the loaner for this and I'm half tempted to melt this for the Hammerhead.
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Ya I am seeing the Hammerhead in a great spot to be the shield for most bigger ships as she is designed for fighter suppression and to shoot down missiles and torpedoes. They will be buying my crew those round of drinks for saving their butts from another Polaris torpedo barrage 💪🏻
It seems like the most versatile of capital ships:
Lots of cargo to bring supplies to a frontline, reinforcment if you bring a lot of ground vehicules, can punch through a siege/blockade to ressuply a cutoff force or hunt for capital ships with the size 10 torpedoes, can enforce a blockade because of the number of size 5 weapon on turrets and capital radar(can even bring a police small ship to bring things out of quantum and force them to abide by the inspection).
The Polaris has always been my go-to dream boat for Search and Rescue along with Bounty Hunting opps. The real "Cowboy Bebop" experience with a MPUV and Anvil Hawk and a dream. We'll see if that works, or if I'll need to "downgrade" to the liberator for this, but I see the Polaris being an excellent home away from home.
Cowboy Bebop vibes are always to be encouraged - might not get the run down junker feel of the Betty though!
@@LoudGuns Too true! But bluffing a pirate crew into letting you go even though you spent your last million creds on noodles instead of restocking torps? Peak bebop.
In terms of naval ships the Polaris seems to fit the role of destroyer. A smaller ship capable of detecting much larger ships and capable of destroying them when given the chance. Another example would be the Javelin as a battleship more precisely the Yamato. Absolutely massive ship with massive guns supporting it. I could see the Idris being like the Yamato but it doesn’t have the massive size 9s and 7s as well as it’s sheer size. Making the idris a beast at range. But to me the Polaris is super appealing. And I’m not gonna lie I’d love to see an org fit a mass amount of murai ships in it.
I speculated in my video that the frontal turret might go up to 2x Size 6's, but we'll see in a few months...
P.S. Excellent video, great commentary, loved every second of it.
There's a beer with your name on it at Bar Citizen, really interesting video.
I look forward to the engineering loop in one of these, I think gelling up a regular crew is going to be a lot of fun, and a force multiplier over any scratch crew. Your point on insurance is good, there's going to be a strong incentive to preserve the ship if at all possible which brings up that repairs will be expensive, certainly any you cannot do yourself, and may well be fairly resource hungry so folk will find that the cap ships, and large non combat ships (Arrastra looking at you!) are going to have significant running costs. Those S10 torps will no doubt be a pretty penny each. A small org that doesn't have a robust income and resouce base may struggle to keep one on high availability. Lot of good points to ponder and theorycraft.
Damn I really want to go but I’m not sure I’m going to be able to make it this time though 😞 citizencon though!!!
My Idea for my polaris is, if I can get a dependable crew, our all around "starship enterprise" experience. it is the all-around starship. with enough punch to dissuade all but the most determined aggressors. vehicle bay, fighter hangar... what CAN'T you do with a Polaris? it's like the Carrack's big brother.
Love your videos! Keep doing what you do and I keep enjoying them!
Love your content Loud Guns
Thank you for the very good video about the Polaris! Hopefully the introduction of masternodes and the increase in the number of players per server will lead to epic space battles that everyone will enjoy!
"Good for multicrew"
You just watch me solo daily drive that baby. I'll use it for box missions and touring.
I got a total of 2 ships as my whole fleet. Polaris and Reliant Tana to put in it's hangar. Need nothing else!
Cracking overview. I am holding back on trading in all my CCU’s to this until it’s released and then inevitably nerfed! I really want to put an RSI Scorpius in the hangar but my brain says the F7A MkII for the win…I just need to have it all RSI though to quench my OCD 😂
I was surprised when they said they would increase the size of the Polaris a bit but I didnt know it would be to the point a heavy fighter can fit in there. Seeing the Scorp come out of the Polaris is amazing to see because I own both the Polaris and Scorp. I look forward to whenever it release.
I can't wait for this ship. The Galaxy was love-at-first-sight, the Polaris took longer, but I'm just as excited to this as I am for my beloved Galaxy. This ship will definitely be my daily-driver once it's out this year. It's too much dreaming to think it will be ready for Invictus, but I'm sure by CitCon/IAE 2954 it will be ready.
Crew me up, boss.
On day 1!
The UA-cam grind haha, I never thought about it like that. Enjoyed your calm video thank you
When ai crew becomes a thing, I’ll be manning my fully ai crew ship for cargo runs 🤣
Have a polaris as expected to be released this year. After watching this video , got the Scorpius and Antares to use with it . Gonna be fun locking down a big ship like the 890 jump with the antares. When you demand a ransom, they will stop laughing when you point to the polaris.
Thanks for your work 👌🏼
Love your videos. Thanks for the content.
Cheers Rallen!
I did not know the polaris had a brig, that could be a cool addition for future of bounty hunter.
Even for smaller crews you could use it as a base to hunt bounties.
Im pretty new to the game, but I’d see this ship more on the mid-backside of the fight. It’s torpedos help fighting bigger targets over distances and its ability to refuel, rearm and repair makes it a great support ship with the ability to defend itself thanks to its turrets.
If my Polaris ends up getting a dedicated garage that can fit a tank, that is when I will seriously think of adding a ground vehicle to fleet.
The Polaris is the only true combat capital ship not restricted for purchase. Meaning, you can wait to get it. Also, it is an attack ship. Its main combat function is raiding. It is very bad at defending or interdiction.
Very well made video! Can't wait to get mine soon 😅
The size Five manned turrets with only two guns should get two more guns on the manned turrets I would be fine with them being size Three or four. I also hope the repair and refueling in the hanger get buffed compared to what they said, but not really needed.
just my opinion because it is a capital class ship.
Manned turrets will never be worth manning so long as they’re less dps than a single seat ship.
Atm, that’s the Corsair. Any person manning the Polaris turret would be more useful to the Polaris flying escort in a Corsair.
They have to fundamentally rethink crewed gunning and accept the fact that other ships exist.
Imo, you’re right that the turrets need more firepower. Either 4x S5, or 2x S6. More than that, a single gunner station needs to control any two turrets simultaneously.
Otherwise we are never ever going to see viable long term multicrew. It’s just gonna be solo people with ai crews in big empty ships.
I do not understand their obsession with convincing crew members that they’re wasting their time by playing with other people. No one is gonna log in day-in-day out to sit in a weak turret that can only see a portion of the rear arc.
another great vid LG thank you for the info, polaris boarding action when?
Polaris is going to be an excellent flag ship in CSAR type missions. I just wish the hangar was a bit bigger so as to fit an Apollo Medivac inside. I plan to run mine with a fighter, C8R and Terrapin in my hangar. Hopefully we get a medical URSA soon too for the vehicle/cargo bay.
I just want a Perseus so bad.
Good news that it's likely one of the nearer term ships after the Polaris!
It remains to be seen if CIG can work out server meshing to the point where you can have a lot of these fully crewed larger ships in the area and not have the server go to trash. Time will tell.
Can’t wait to see cap ship gameplay in game!
Absolutely, pretty much what got me excited about SC in the first place!
I think i'd like for the engineering room/area to be decreased a bit to make some additional room for cargo. Not that 200+ SCU is bad at all, but for a capital ship this size, I think we need a BIT more room for cargo.
I'll be extremely happy when the Polaris comes out, will pull me back after a long time off.
I can not wait to be doing Search and Rescue for players in Pyro :)
Cargo will normally 576 scu
What would be really cool...Is If the hangar would be large enough to fit an Inferno....
Looks like it will fit an F7C/A mk2 in there.
It would be interesting to see how much the Polaris would be once it's flight ready. It's $750 US at the moment but I expect to jump to $900 or more, I would be very surprised if it would be $850
@3:30 A-MEN on that wife comment. Be careful out there folks!
I have plans to use a Polaris+scorpius as a center of a strike group, flanked by two Perseus and a medical galaxy+pisces. I think for crew sizes and amenities this will be an optimal "wolf pack" style strike team or mobile flanking group in a larger fleet. To me it seems the larger rsi ships are fitting well together for this role. For this reason I got them all in my hangar lol
Problem with these larger ships is that there aren't a lot of use cases for them. I rarely use the hammerhead or the 890, but I like the Carrack.
It's a lack of use cases *for now*. I'm sure they have proper plans for giving players a reason to fly these types out.
In an ISC they confirmed it now has capital shields too.
you will be able to rent a crew... but multi playing is the whole idea behind big ships. Turrets can be assigned to AI blades, but engineering, strategy positions I will not leave to AI lol. Polaris is torpedo boat, not gunboat. Just remember, torps is slow but long range
I got mine for 300 bucks CCU’d, not bad I think. Looking forward to soloing it 😂
I really hope the nose turret is size 6, size 5 would be fine but I liked when the nose turret was the bigger of them all, adding to the idea of an arrowhead.
First thing im going to be doing in mine is see how many vehicles i can fit inside lol
huh. you say porky pies too? that's common aussie slang as well! guess we got it from you guys, haha!
You did indeed - some classic Cockney rhyming slang 😆
Aside from the crew requirement, the biggest argument against the Polaris for me is how costly those torpedoes are going to be. It would break me to casually throw away the cost of a light fighter with the push of a button, let alone to then see that torpedo shot down.
Doubt they'll be THAT pricy. Wouldn't make sense for a torp to cost as much as even a small fighter given they have no QT drive, no human control components, no life support, etc. They're just a big lump of explosives with an engine and guidance systems.
If you get the hits. If they cost, say, a million credits each...a single salvo would cost 4 million credits. Doubt the reclaim price on an Idris is 4 million credits. So it would cost the Polaris more to kill the Idris than it would cost to get a new one, which is ridiculous. And even that's IF all 4 hit and were sufficient to do the job.
Note size 9 torps, one size down, cost 5000 credits. 5000 to a million or more for one size bigger torp is a bit of a jump.@@theMedicatedCitizen
Certainly likely to be pricey kit - for the comparison with ships though keep in mind those are going up 4-12x. I'd also be incredibly surprised if reclaim on an Idris is as little as 4m :D
Some are going up 4-12x. Some are staying put or even getting cheaper. They said they were lowering the cost of a C8R, for instance. I don't see any world where a C8R (500,000) is cheaper than a torpedo. I fully expect they'll be expensive...but comes a point where they have to take fun into account, and it's not fun going broke every time you have to rearm. I'm betting in the 100k/Each level. Painful enough not to fire them at everything, but cheap enough that it makes sense in the game world when compared to everything else.
And again, Size 9 torps are currently 5k. If they increased the price on that tenfold, it'd still only be 50k. We'll see.@@LoudGuns
@@LoudGuns Yeah I expect loooong claim times for capital ships, measured in days or weeks not minutes.
People hate the idea but will come to like it. It means they'll get the chance to use-and crew-their absurdly large fleets. It will mean more.
And it means poor commanders will have down time to spend time crewing on other people's ships, and hopefully learn something from the experience.
The biggest issue is my mind for multi-crew is that there are all these boring mundane positions on the ship that no one will want to do forcing us to use ai blades
IF this ship goes on sale this year I plan to sell the kids, sell the wife, sell the dogs.. I plan to have one.
I'll take the dogs :D
I’d love to hear you talk about the kraken or the galaxy/gunboat Perseus as well
I went through the Xitcon presentation, and while I can't commit to any weapon sizes, the side and bottom turrets are now Quad turrets.
I did spy that in post, will be interesting to see where they land with them 👍
It'll be the first ship that'll make ORGs implode. I'm looking forward to the ship. I was playing around with hanger Link, looks like you fan fit a Pisces rescue, 2 arrows and a few fury's all at the same time. Or a legionnaire turned sideways with an arrow and furys
Gibson has already said the modules have been upgraded like the shields etc.
I believe that's what I said - he confirmed shield and cooler have been upped to Capital but beyond that I couldn't find further detail on things like the Computers / QT Drive etc.
Excited for it. Put an LTI token on it, looks like it will be my go to for cap. Thanks for the vid LG.
lookin forward to crewing it. Or aiding with a crewed liberator. Couple escort pilots. Maybe extra storage space for any siezed goods. Nice hype vid for the bigguns!
Yes the turrets were up gunned but the size wasn't confirmed... This ship should be interesting 😎
But who will look forward to manning these turrets more than once or twice for novelty?
The side turrets can’t fire forward because they’re right behind cheek mounts, and the two side turrets bafflingly aren’t spine and belly mounts, so the ship can’t broadside without rolling up to present its massive pancake as a target. One of your gunners gets to look at green sky box I guess. The other can fire for the moments the target is in view, but of course you can’t really see targets from ball turrets until they’re in your firing arc, making it really hard to actually deliver consistent dps.
Worse, even if the turrets had better placement, their dps is still garbage.
2xS5! Oh boy! I can’t wait to have less dps than a F7C! Not even half a Corsair but I also have poor sight lines and don’t get any of the fun of flying a ship!
They have to fundamentally reconsider the experience of crewing ships as gunners. The Polaris should have two gunner stations that each triangulate and fire (at once, none of that reclaimer nonsense of only one turret can shoot) half the turrets in the ship.
Only then would it actually be a viable alternative to just flying a Corsair. As it is, every single person in the Polaris turrets should leave the ship entirely and get in a Corsair-they’d be much better at actually defending the Polaris and helping it accomplish things.
this ship will be my flying base where i can deploy ground vehicles for bunkers or down the road deploy ground base builders to build a base or ground mine
ill even use it to trade with and support friends with its medical habs and hanger to carry around their prospectors or vultures
ill also be doing other stuff with it like bountys and beacons and medical rescues
For some reason I picked up the last ccu and been working on warbond ccu chain for this. May keep it or may sell it. Got many other ships.
That looks like a ship that wants to be flown fast
Will it fit through the ahumani ring though? 😂
We keep throwing around the name jacking as a full sized capital ship but I don’t think the javelin is anywhere near the same class as the idris or kraken lol. It’s probably better classifies as a large or very large capital ship.
It's certainly next level (although looking at the Kraken in particular you've got to factor in a full squadron of fighter and bomber pilots to go along with the ship itself). But there's a gulf between the Polaris and the next level up.
How long is the RSI polaris now? I have different answers from different sources
168m i think
I wonder how long I have to grind salvage in my Reclaimer to afford this..one hour? two hours? Maybe THREE hours????
How is this a capital ship but Merchantman isn't? Merchantman is like twice the size of this thing!!
As far as I’m aware the BMM has been classified as capital after its size increase 👍
great video, would love one about the Odyssey if possible.
I love the content and so excited for the ship!
Thanks Sarsour - me too!
I hope those turrets are still Dual Size 4s and not size 5, way higher fire-rate and projectile velocity to deal with fighters.
pretty sure the velocities are all changing with mastermodes so at this point I think bigger might be better
@@AledMify That'd be great if that is was true! :D
With how easy it his to lure missile, the s10 torpedo wont do much, lets hope these missile are harder to lure them away with flare.
You either launch point blank or get Somone who is in nav mode (now that is) from a long distance away. It's easy to get people to dump all their counter measures with small sized missiles from your fighter or the size3's
I can't wait for my Polaris.
One I’m definitely looking forward to!
Perhaps the attraction for multi crew will remain but dependant upon the Delphi (reputation) system and/or additional systems that are less lawful such as Pyro. With the current one system (Stanton) I rarely have issues manning my Reclaimer for salvage, Redeemer for Bounties etc and being in an Org will also most definitely make manning my Polaris easy. Full disclosure I do still love solo role play also.
Did they actually say this will be a million credit torpedo? That would make the ship practically useless.
Oy Oy Oy Oy!!! Cannot wait to see!!! ❤
I went for the Polaris, instead of the Perseus, as I’m a torpedo boi who likes blowing up Idris and I was looking for a mothership to cruise Pyro. I’m actually wondering if I get to enjoy the Retaliator Gold standard before the Polaris arrives, as they are in the same CCU chain.
What's the green and yellow ship?
the idris from Aegis
How many SRV's does it take to tow a Polaris?
Scientific questions like these will be amongst the first to be answered!
The Polaris is going to suffer "oh sh!t, it's a Polaris!" Syndrome. I feel bad for the people who think they are going to solo this. No Org is going to let a Polaris just cruise around in their territory. It has a 14 person crew for a reason.
Yep getting realistic about crew requirements is essential to my mind!
Que the npc crews lol
I don't think Org Terrority is going to be that much of an issue.
As well, The Polaris is a combat ship, but it is capable of a lot more. Quite a few have other plans for it.
Mine will have a max player crew of 1. Myself. And some NPC and AI blades. Just watch me.
@@captainharlock3998 Yep. Will it be as strong as a fully human crewed Polaris, no. Will it get a job done, most definitely.
Ugh ... those size 10 torps will make fleet engagements with Polarises really rather boring. Both opposing Polarises will stay at maximum radar range, but out of range of each other's torps, and each fleet will bring in a mess of Retaliators and Eclipses to take out the enemy Polaris. And the moment one of the two Polarises is down, it's game over for that fleet as the remaining Polaris will then close in and start taking out all the large ships on the enemy fleets with their torps.
Honestly, I would have preferred their first capital ship released would have been one that can't easily just two-shot other capital ships :/
It's a 4 shot Idris. Provided you land all of those. I believe it's going to have a nice niche as a killer, but it isn't end all be all.
Boring? Subjective. In combat,there's nothing I like more than having a delete button under my thumb.
Remember that in CIG's head space combat is Pacific War. This is a Japanese cruiser with a good spread of Type 92s. Get caught and its sayonara, the trick is not to get caught. We don't yet know how armour will protect and part of the lore behind the Ares range is being part of deasling with a heavy armoured ship. Ditto the ballsitc Corsair build, two in the hands of good pilots can really spoil an Idris' day.
Things shown in trailers might not be representative of game balance! More seriously though people do have a bit of a tendency to forget SC is just a game and as such we'll see plenty of balancing and rebalancing along the way - torpedoes too powerful? Make them slower etc.
@@Ender_Consolidated idris will never be destroy with only 4 torpedos
I would have preferred that it was kept small. Too bloated now.
I hate discord.
I think guessing gun size should be put on hold since they are redoing the gimbal system and adding them to most of the mounts and turrets. Possible these are size 5, I did hear these was gimbaled and that would mean now they might be size 5 after the change?
Yeah I very much took the approach of “this is how many turrets there are, this is what the data says, but basically wait and see”.
*scold us on price*
*looks at my multiple polari…*
*SHAMED*
No scolding intended!
No need for shame where maintenance costs, fuel costs, armament costs, docking/hangar fees, the cost of upgrades, insurance, ship delivery time/cost and crewing obligations will do. After their personal point of usability, all anyone is buying is day 1, in-game debt.