Bad Wi-Fi Signal? Use This! - MoCA Explained

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  • @billal2731
    @billal2731 Місяць тому +1065

    In France, an ISP used to market moCA as fiber technology, they got sued lol

    • @elliottwright8564
      @elliottwright8564 Місяць тому +22

      C'était qui mdr ?

    • @billal2731
      @billal2731 Місяць тому +44

      @elliottwright8564 c'était SFR

    • @elliottwright8564
      @elliottwright8564 Місяць тому +24

      @billal2731 ca m'étonne pas mdr 😂

    • @vlycop7404
      @vlycop7404 Місяць тому +36

      Numericable :D those pesky lier ! I remember getting into a fight with a friend over this coax not being fiber >

    • @fredrikstad01
      @fredrikstad01 Місяць тому +16

      It's called hybrid fiber here in Norway, I've had it for allmost 10 years, works great:) one cable in to the house from the ISP box/central, which is literally 3m from my house, a splitter inside for TV and internet

  • @zac3249
    @zac3249 Місяць тому +391

    "Wow! This sounds like a great option!"
    *Only has one coax plug in the house*

    • @Albtraum_TDDC
      @Albtraum_TDDC Місяць тому +6

      Well I have 4, for TVs, though two are empty, but I already have 20 Ethernet ports. I guess it was good to do home renovation last decade.

    • @zac3249
      @zac3249 Місяць тому +1

      I wonder if I can connect phone ports to ethernet... 🤔

    • @alex93310
      @alex93310 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@zac3249 Yes, that's the setup we have at our 40-year-ish old house. Don't recommend it tho, it's painfully slow.

    • @gamerdweebentertainment1616
      @gamerdweebentertainment1616 Місяць тому

      probably only to get internet...

    • @Albtraum_TDDC
      @Albtraum_TDDC Місяць тому +1

      @@zac3249 well phone cables have 4 wires (for 2 lines, 2 wires each) and cat5e has 8, but it works with 4 wires just at 100 mbit max speed. The phone cables may be lower standard though so they probably only go 10 mbit. You'll need adapters on each end.

  • @4Th3Truthful
    @4Th3Truthful Місяць тому +183

    As a cable guy I would like to add that some DOCSIS 3.1 modems exposed to MoCA signal will cause intermittence of services.

    • @JohnHall73
      @JohnHall73 Місяць тому +20

      Linus mentioned adding a filter to the cable modem as well. I don't have this but I am thinking about doing it for peace of mind for the $10 price.

    • @southernpanda33
      @southernpanda33 Місяць тому +7

      Are you A cable guy or THE Cable Guy?

    • @jsncrso
      @jsncrso Місяць тому +6

      @@JohnHall73 Those filters block the frequencies that higher speed DOCSIS 3.1 and 4.0 modems use

    • @Mr.Morden
      @Mr.Morden Місяць тому +14

      As former cable internet/phone tech support, I would like to add that a small breeze can cause intermittent service. Most of the CMTS at Comcast have half to 2/3 of the modems outside of acceptable signal ranges. I've seen untold thousands of customers with rampant packet loss problems basically getting ignored. #Comcastic

    • @theredmonkey
      @theredmonkey Місяць тому +1

      I use MoCA, the modem is connected right where it comes into my home at the splitter in the closet and then it feeds out because I don’t have cable TV.

  • @andremribeiro
    @andremribeiro Місяць тому +350

    If you have coax cables and don't use them anymore, I would say that it is more cost effective to just pass the network cable through the coax conduits and you can even use the old cable to pull the network cables. Much cheaper than buying the moca adapters.

    • @coreyalfredson7986
      @coreyalfredson7986 Місяць тому +126

      Very very few if any coax cables in North America are in conduit. They are drilled through walls studs and attics usually.

    • @Darkk6969
      @Darkk6969 Місяць тому

      @@coreyalfredson7986 Yep. Some places the coax cables are even attached to the studs in the walls making it impossible to remove without making holes in the walls.

    • @Danandrea737
      @Danandrea737 Місяць тому +3

      Exactly what I did XD

    • @Thecryingonion
      @Thecryingonion Місяць тому +18

      @@coreyalfredson7986 wonder if you could tape the Ethernet cable to the old coax and pull it into the wall while pulling the coax out

    • @SirusStarTV
      @SirusStarTV Місяць тому +6

      We don't use satellite television anymore (ip tv right now) tv in remote room receives bad wifi signal so it could be nice to replace coax cables with ethernet ones.

  • @LScardino
    @LScardino Місяць тому +92

    I've been using MoCA for about 4 years now, and it really does work great. I have Gigabit fiber, and comparing speed tests from the router and tests from computers on my network, there is practically no difference. It's very stable. Just keep in mind that the advertised 2.5Gb has to handle all the devices on the network. This really hasn't been an issue for me however. I really looking forward to MoCA 3.0 coming out, but it's been coming out for a couple years now, and I still haven't seen any hardware yet.

    • @tauro3891
      @tauro3891 Місяць тому +2

      Yup same here, got PC hooked up via ethernet to one of the Verizon's extenders and getting full Gigabit with no issues at all for last 3 years or so; beats making holes in walls to run ethernet.

    • @Keepskatin
      @Keepskatin Місяць тому

      Moca smoka

    • @andywolan
      @andywolan Місяць тому

      I read the designs for the circuits and chips for MoCA 3.0 are there, waiting for someone to pull the trigger and build them. I think they are waiting for MoCA 2.5 speeds to become saturated before release the Moca 3.0 gear.

    • @barryrinehart9497
      @barryrinehart9497 Місяць тому

      We are actually at 3.1 now

    • @andywolan
      @andywolan Місяць тому

      @@barryrinehart9497 I believe you are confusing MoCA with DOCSIS. The last MOCA spec is 3.0, whereas DOCSIS has a 3.0, 3.1 and a 4.0 spec. (DOCSIS 3.1 being the one which you can buy hardware for.)

  • @EricMilward
    @EricMilward Місяць тому +7

    Former cable guy here, glad to see you mentioned the POE filter. Really important detail most people forget. However, another technical detail is splitters. If their are any cable splitters between the two points than those splitters need to be MoCA compliant. Otherwise, in addition to getting a POE filter, you'll need to buy a MoCA compatible splitter as well.

    • @inGameGhost
      @inGameGhost Місяць тому

      Question, I got PoE filter and installed it before the splitter where the cable comes in from street and noticed that my internet connection becomes bad with low mbps. So I move the filter to my modem and I get my internet speed that I’m paying for. So I bought another PoE filter and connected one at the modem and one before the splitter and it works. My question is do I need 2 PoE filters or should I just keep the one connected to the modem and will this work as PoE filters are intended to? Since it’s not connected before the splitter.

  • @MozartTheGOAT
    @MozartTheGOAT Місяць тому +191

    Linus is the type of guy to make 50 videos upgrading his WiFi and still complain about it being slow

  • @gombie72
    @gombie72 Місяць тому +4

    I have an abundance of coax ports in my house. 2 or 3 per room. I have been using MOCA for 2 years now, with no issues. If you get a cheap adapter though, prepare to scratch your head for a while trying to figure out how it works. I pay for 600mbps, I receive 600-550 over coax on the other side of my house. works great. Had a spectrum Tech replace my modem/router setup, and I explained it to him. He thought I was lying until he saw the results.

  • @notthatrkelly
    @notthatrkelly Місяць тому +16

    Yeah, this is the way to go. I live in an old house with a weird layout. Tried all sorts of super-powered routers, repeaters, etc. The thing that ended up working perfectly was setting up a mesh network with a MoCA backbone, since there was plenty of coaxial cable running through the house. The cost is not prohibitive at all, just get a few goCoax MoCA 2.5 adapters for around $50 each and never worry about it again.

  • @KatTheFoxtaur
    @KatTheFoxtaur Місяць тому +15

    I'm a Senior Network Engineer, and I use MoCA in my own setup at home. My fiancée's computer is on the second floor, and the easiest way to get wired connectivity to it was simply to leverage MoCA.
    Even with my enterprise-grade network equipment running the house, MoCA still has its place, especially for residential use!

    • @kalijasin
      @kalijasin Місяць тому

      MOCA adapters have been around for decades and he’s just now figuring this out? LOL 😂

  • @JeffHorne
    @JeffHorne Місяць тому +7

    Been using MoCA 2.5 for several years now…very happy with it. Make sure to cap off your used coax outlets…and use a POE filter to keep your network closed.

  • @AizenJoestar42
    @AizenJoestar42 Місяць тому +37

    In France there is an ISP that sold this technology as “fiber optic internet” they got sued for this and now they selling it as “Fiber optic internet with coaxial termination”

    • @TheRealEclipse1
      @TheRealEclipse1 Місяць тому +1

      It probably sounds like a better deal in French.

    • @GiffysChannel
      @GiffysChannel Місяць тому

      This is called RFoG. It stands for Radio Frequency over Glass. It is delivered to the house over fiber and is converted to coax at the demarcation point.

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 Місяць тому

      Fiber to the home is somewhat over hyped. Docsys 4 does 3 Gbps, I doubt the ISP is taking advantage of fiber to do anything more than that. The big advantage of fiber is signal integrity over distance. As a user, I don't care as long as I'm getting the service I pay for. It's up to the network owner to care.
      Fiber to the home may get you very slightly lower latency if it eliminates a medium conversion. But we're talking about 1-2 ms at most.

    • @AizenJoestar42
      @AizenJoestar42 Місяць тому

      @@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Ftth is way more better in term of latency, speed and much importantly you can’t face any form of interference.
      There is lot of cases where you get really bad internet because someone’s old device is messing up all the signal in a building, I have (and many other people) faced this scenario before.
      Fiber is better in every aspect.

  • @shapelessed
    @shapelessed Місяць тому +91

    Being unable to run a wire to one of your rooms hits differently when you know you get 500+ Mb/s over wire but a measly 15Mb/s over wireless because all your neighbours spam the entire 2.4GHz band with their 60+ routers...

    • @あなた以外の誰でもない
      @あなた以外の誰でもない Місяць тому +6

      if u're not really far (like 3 rooms apart) from the router, u can upgrade ur router to a Wifi 6 one, it will use wifi 6 or wifi 5 that is faster and has more bandwidth than the 2.4Ghz band (it needs ur PC wifi receiver to support it too), my ethernet is 1Gbps and i get like 700Mbps on wifi with that, but playing it with ethernet cable / moca is always better, less latency and more stability, if u're really really far then u can use wall plug, the problem with that is u'll only get 1/5 of the ethernet speed but it works when ur wifi signal is too low

    • @shapelessed
      @shapelessed Місяць тому +3

      @@あなた以外の誰でもない I wonder why I would be using 2.4GHz... I wonder.......

    • @awrsish
      @awrsish Місяць тому +2

      @@あなた以外の誰でもない 2.4ghz works better over long distances vs 5ghz, the 2.4ghz wavelength is just more capable of going through walls and the air. If the network band is completely saturated your best shot would be 2.4ghz for a chance at it working
      *I know nothing and this is probably incorrect but it’s my guess

    • @charliesretrocomputing
      @charliesretrocomputing Місяць тому +5

      Try changing channels or if every channel is saturated force your devices to use 5ghz which has way more channels

    • @gareginasatryan6761
      @gareginasatryan6761 Місяць тому +1

      Wifi6 uses a different bandwidth.

  • @larsondavis8155
    @larsondavis8155 Місяць тому +1

    It's crazy how much I always still end up learning about things from you guys. I've known about MoCA for awhile, and powerline adapters for ever, but still, the way you guys present the information is just fantastic.

  • @JessicaNeidingHaverly
    @JessicaNeidingHaverly Місяць тому +1

    This has been on my to do list for years and finally getting to it this weekend. My house isn’t wood but poured concrete, cmu, and not a standard metal stud and backer board. Miserable range with wifi 6 and everything on wireless. No ethernet in my 1935 home, but someone did run coax through my ductwork...so here we are. Fingers crossed!

  • @nontypicalguy
    @nontypicalguy Місяць тому +11

    Buying used MoCA adapters was just as cheap or cheaper than new outdoor-rated cat6e, but without all the labor of replacing 200+ feet of coax with ethernet.

  • @viewer-of-content
    @viewer-of-content Місяць тому +8

    MoCA 3.0 is supposed to bring 10gbps, a major upgrade from MoCA 2.5 which had max speeds of 2.5gbps. Manufacturers have just not released consumer hardware for MoCA 3.0 since the standard preview was released in 2021.

  • @asphere8
    @asphere8 Місяць тому +19

    MoCA has a couple downsides aside from cost, from my experience deploying them as an ISP employee. Coaxial cable is susceptible to becoming waterlogged if cables run outdoors at any point, which is particularly common in mobile homes but does happen fairly often in other structures built prior to the 90s. Older coaxial cabling in particular is also very likely to be of subpar quality, which will negatively impact bandwidth and packet loss rates. Bandwidth between MoCA adapters is also shared, so you *might* get the full advertised bandwidth between two units, but if you deploy a lot of them, your speeds will drop precipitously! I've also found that a lot of models of adapter are very susceptible to power fluctuations, and will simply die if there's a power surge, and be an expensive replacement.

  • @apteryx13
    @apteryx13 Місяць тому +1

    I have used MoCA for my Mesh network Backhaul for a couple of years now, and it is an awesome way to reduce Wi-Fi usage and improve Wi-Fi speeds. Highly recommended!

  • @Courtj3st3r33
    @Courtj3st3r33 Місяць тому +1

    All good stuff, I'd add that if you are using cable splitters to send the MoCa to multiple locations, it's a good idea to pick up splitters rated for MoCa. It operates higher than 1GHz and most cable companies don't utilize frequencies that high and have no reason to invest in splitters rated to handle it. Also some MoCa splitters have the filter built-in on the input leg.

  • @Yama_1291
    @Yama_1291 Місяць тому +45

    You just gave me a token ring flashback.. I'm gonna get a drink.

    • @TheWarChief929
      @TheWarChief929 Місяць тому +2

      Does this work if you live in an apartment?

    • @JonManProductions
      @JonManProductions Місяць тому +1

      Me, having just watched a video from RetroBytes about Token Ring: :C I understand this now.

    • @SPeeSimon
      @SPeeSimon Місяць тому

      Old is new again. The kids these are too young to remember. 😂
      What's next? A disk-like storage? Do they know what the "save" icon is?

  • @kurwamacjebanapizda
    @kurwamacjebanapizda Місяць тому +2

    20 years ago it was common way to use coaxial cable already build in your house for broadband connection. So fibre to one point and then spread it to every room via already build in coaxial network in your house. It was much cheaper than to build from scrach ethernet network in yor house/apartment block 30 years ago.

    • @gamecubeplayer
      @gamecubeplayer Місяць тому +2

      my apartment's phone line is used with fiber for vdsl

  • @WarriorsPhoto
    @WarriorsPhoto Місяць тому +2

    I've used MoCA devices in the past.
    They do work and like any network if set up correctly they'll perform well. There's still no true best solution but this is worth a shot depending on the size of your home.

  • @Aeturnalis
    @Aeturnalis Місяць тому +15

    2:56 skip ad

  • @jamesmancuso3666
    @jamesmancuso3666 Місяць тому +4

    I remember setting up coaxial networks decades ago.

  • @Henchman1977
    @Henchman1977 Місяць тому +18

    Us 10BASE2 guys would call this old-school

  • @GiffysChannel
    @GiffysChannel Місяць тому

    I work for a cable company and this is a great tech. I would recommend isolating the lines you use for the MoCA network from the coax coming in from your ISP. A coax toner can be very helpful to locate what line goes where.

  • @CustomComputing
    @CustomComputing Місяць тому +1

    I actually learned something new today! Thanks guys, I don’t need this but it’s cool that we can reuse old tech to upgrade your houses wiring!

  • @TechAndBeyond381
    @TechAndBeyond381 Місяць тому +72

    You can always add a whole satellite dish inside your house

    • @wobb_
      @wobb_ Місяць тому +2

      really?

    • @dylc5604
      @dylc5604 Місяць тому +13

      Become your own ISP, even make money off selling Internet to people in your country.

    • @jacobgames3412
      @jacobgames3412 Місяць тому

      ​@@dylc5604I don't know if it will work, there are many ISP companies already

    • @noyes.
      @noyes. Місяць тому +2

      Whole class is laughing

    • @mrstaticgroovy7400
      @mrstaticgroovy7400 Місяць тому

      @@dylc5604wat is bro on lol

  • @JohnHall73
    @JohnHall73 Місяць тому +2

    Ive been using these for years. They are great, totally solid i dont even have to think about them. I want to upgrade to the 2.5gbpa ones but with not causing any issues i just cant justify the cost (eapecially as I'd also have to replace the switches and possibly some of the cables in the house whilst not having gb internet)

  • @shapelessed
    @shapelessed Місяць тому +29

    1:42 - So, Linus is also stealing from work... That's an inventory sticker right there!

    • @portobellomushroom5764
      @portobellomushroom5764 Місяць тому +7

      Linus is using a work phone as a prop in a work video! 😧

    • @AJAYRAJ-tm4jk
      @AJAYRAJ-tm4jk Місяць тому +2

      He is daily driving iphone to review it😂 1:43

    • @bastionwolf
      @bastionwolf Місяць тому

      Like someone else said, he is daily driving a iPhone. He said it briefly in a video

  • @Twiggithy
    @Twiggithy Місяць тому

    Used MoCA to get reliable internet to another room in my parent's 3 story house. I tried a power adapter first, but the adapters couldn't get on the same circuit so the speeds were bad. Their ISP's modem had MoCA built in, so I just needed one adapter and the speeds were exactly as the ISP advertised for them. Great solution.

  • @daviddarnell8898
    @daviddarnell8898 День тому

    The original Ethernet cable required you to drill into the coax cable to attach your drop cord. Next version looked like the coax used by the cable company cable you're showing here, but had a different resistance, One was 50 ohm and the other was 75, using the wrong cable usually worked, but only over shorter distances. However the RJ-45 cable that came next was already found in a lot of businesses and used to originally carry 4 phone lines, each pair carried a different phone call. You have a call on line 3.

  • @AlTheEngineer
    @AlTheEngineer Місяць тому +1

    If you have dark coax, as in, no service on it, I suggest G.hn adapters over MoCA. Generally better performance and much much better uptime in my experience (also 2.5G speeds).

  • @EB01
    @EB01 Місяць тому +25

    For a moment I thought that this was going to be a video on 10Base2.

    • @Dwarg91
      @Dwarg91 Місяць тому +2

      It’s a modern 2500base2

  • @mostlypostie1
    @mostlypostie1 Місяць тому +22

    Powerline Extenders are a DISASTER for HF radio communications. Those awful things can wipe out nearby radio services, including ham radio.
    They SUCK. How the FCC allowed these things to exist, given their huge interference potential, is amazing. Use MoCA if you can.

    • @noredine
      @noredine Місяць тому +2

      that's different from powerline adapters, no?

    • @mostlypostie1
      @mostlypostie1 Місяць тому +4

      @noredine no, they are the exact same thing. They use broadband, relatively unfiltered signals across the HF radio bands to transmit your ethernet over the Powerline wiring.

    • @あなた以外の誰でもない
      @あなた以外の誰でもない Місяць тому +6

      and their speed is horrendous too, i remember using 300Mbps internet back then, but only could get 50Mbps with the powerline extender. and the wifi extender also sucks cuz it always disconnect and restart itself on the middle of the match due to overheating, terrible products

    • @Keepskatin
      @Keepskatin Місяць тому +1

      Interesting intriguing I wonder how effective this interference is

    • @theIpatix
      @theIpatix Місяць тому +4

      YES, powerline sucks. My friend had to talk repeatedly to their neighbors in the same building to finally stop using these adapters. Reason being that it caused terrible interference on the VDSL wiring, their internet would have insane packet error rates, and would even disconnect entirely at some times.

  • @donuli7222
    @donuli7222 15 годин тому

    Been using this for about 5 years. Love it

  • @travis1240
    @travis1240 Місяць тому +1

    MoCa is amazing. I have three nodes on my network, and use it for wired devices in each location plus the backhaul for mesh WiFi

  • @DustyTheDog
    @DustyTheDog Місяць тому

    I live in the US, and I have only ever had this after DSL faded out. Comcast, which is the only company my mom ever used and the one I currently use, uses this if they aren't using the modern fiber. I currently have MoCA in my apartment. I've never had any issues with this. I've tried other companies and had terrible experiences. I get about 800mbps here in my apartment on the wire, and about 350mbps over wifi on my phone. I'm not complaining. Everything sends, downloads, and just works. Being close to Denver, most of the servers for games I play ping at less than 30ms.

  • @maxdutiel
    @maxdutiel Місяць тому

    I do know that Dish Network in the US uses MoCA for the link between their Hopper DVRs/tuners and their Joey thin clients. However I do think that you can still use MoCA possibly, and I think the hopper even acts as a gateway possibly for your MoCA adapters

  • @gionova1
    @gionova1 Місяць тому

    I used MoCA as a single point to point on opposite sides of the house and then an ethernet switch and access point for one side. It was cheaper and more practical than running multiple ethernet lines through out the whole house. I even used the old coax cables from when we had cable tv.
    However, I have heard of increasing problems with regular coax getting a lot of interference with the increasing noise from electronics and wireless signals. I will probably use quad shielded cables in the future especially since running conduit is expensive.

  • @keyboarderror1
    @keyboarderror1 Місяць тому

    I just bought an Actiontec Moca WiFi adapter to do that very thing. I just switched on the moca interface on the Xfinity router. So I only need the endpoint. I also have a moca point to point link without any other signals or devices to re-purpose an old long RG-59 run into something more useful. It's quite handy.

  • @5urg3x
    @5urg3x Місяць тому

    I moved recently and had to use moca bridges, as this town house is not wired with twisted pair, but IS wired with coax. The big difference between power line and moca is that moca actually gets you the speeds they advertise. I use 2.5Gb Moca to Ethernet, and I get line speed.

  • @_____alyptic
    @_____alyptic Місяць тому +1

    Well I have to plug a coaxial cable into my ISP provided router here in UK. But it looks like they're shifting to fiber cables terminated with SFP or something which would be better

  • @jasonseymour4235
    @jasonseymour4235 Місяць тому

    MoCA is great. IME, the biggest issue using MoCA is port forwarding for things like a gaming server. It may just be due to my lack of knowledge, but it seems like you need any open ports to be on the native modem/router network to be accessible. If you attempt to go through the MoCAed network, the opened ports are not available. I haven't been able to figure it out.

    • @aidanhollington174
      @aidanhollington174 Місяць тому

      doesn't sound like a moca problem, what does your network look like? moca is just a layer 1 standard so it won't do anything different to the traffic being sent/received over the network

  • @macboogieland2897
    @macboogieland2897 Місяць тому

    speaking of boosting signals, can you maybe, or have you ever talked about boosting reception signals (cellular) for apartments that just don't have reception? is this something that can be DIYed? what's really needed for this?

  • @Waffls
    @Waffls Місяць тому

    The video mentioned access points so MoCA would also work to connect wired backhauls on mesh networks right?

  • @mannhimself
    @mannhimself Місяць тому

    Used moca at my old place to the 2nd AP for better coverage. Worked really well with my outdoor antenna and amp. My isp is FTTH so it was really controlled setup. Directv uses Moca but in a different frequency range for their whole home dvr service, think TiVo did the same at one point.

  • @waffledraggin
    @waffledraggin Місяць тому +1

    What program did you use for the AI generated guy at 0:26?

  • @its_just_bo_
    @its_just_bo_ Місяць тому

    Can you use a splitter to send Internet through multiple coax cables throughout the house? As long as you have a MoCA on each end of the coax that's coming from the splitter?

  • @notrelu
    @notrelu Місяць тому

    If you check out your house's framing, you might see, in some cases, that it's actually pretty easy to run ethernet cable from some "server room" in your house. In my house, I can easily get a cable to any interior wall on the upper floor through the attic. The basement is kind of a puzzle though.

  • @th3corruptone
    @th3corruptone Місяць тому

    Does this work through coax splitters? Or do they need to be direct from outlet to outlet?

  • @LittleMopeHead
    @LittleMopeHead Місяць тому +11

    I researched and thought about using MoCA in the past in an apartment. The cost to get that set up drove me a way. When I bought my house, I went all double CAT6 cables to each room. Well worth the $100, and then some cables to spare.

    • @Dac_DT_MKD
      @Dac_DT_MKD Місяць тому

      When we switched from coax to fiber, we had to move the router from my room to the hallway, and now I'm stuck with Wi-Fi. I came across this solution, but once I saw the prices, I just said no and continue to use Wi-Fi.

    • @Nemerson74
      @Nemerson74 Місяць тому

      ​@@Dac_DT_MKDwhat about flat Ethernet under the carpet or along the ceiling?

    • @Dac_DT_MKD
      @Dac_DT_MKD Місяць тому +1

      @@Nemerson74 No cable allowed to run through the hallway by my parents, period. That's the problem.

    • @Nemerson74
      @Nemerson74 Місяць тому +1

      @@Dac_DT_MKD rip sorry

  • @saminabdulsamad2000
    @saminabdulsamad2000 Місяць тому

    You learn something new every day 😌 I didn't know you can transfer data over power cable thanks Linus ❤

  • @kuromad
    @kuromad Місяць тому

    What are other advantages? Does it support higher range? Can you use toughened cables to run them directly through the ground? Or is there any situation where you want to choose coax over standard cat6 or whatever? Here in the Netherlands, the quality coax cable comes in from your ISP somewhere and thats basically it. Older houses have the cheap stuff used for analog cable tv going to different areas in the house where you might have wanted a tv in the 90's, I highly doubt that will work.

  • @KaathKilo
    @KaathKilo Місяць тому +1

    The national internet infrastructure provider in Australia already uses coaxial cables to get high-speed internet into apartment buildings

  • @vishwanathbondugula4593
    @vishwanathbondugula4593 Місяць тому

    I have been using moca for a while now, got 2 adaptors brand new from ebay for just 45$ and it is so good.

  • @oaw117
    @oaw117 Місяць тому

    I've done a few "stealth" Ethernet runs through air vents and old blanking panels. Cost way less and I ripped it out when moved. (Especially if you can get in to the rental attic) They should do a video of doing a no cutting walls install of Ethernet in an employee apartment. Tons of fun.

  • @vlycop7404
    @vlycop7404 Місяць тому

    So, you use ethernet grade 3S to carry TV and Satelite over ethernet cable, or you use MoCA to carry ethernet over TV cable ?

  • @thebeanman7206
    @thebeanman7206 Місяць тому +1

    This is something Dish Network uses to pass internet from its Hopper to its receivers, very interesting, didn’t know how it worked until now

  • @77RzR77
    @77RzR77 Місяць тому +1

    I like Linus in techquickies. Hosting is definitely his forte.

  • @runechristiansen7372
    @runechristiansen7372 Місяць тому +1

    I have been using internet via coaxial for the last 20 years and no issues. My ISP router is connected directly to the coaxial plug in the wall so no MoCa adapters, 1000/100 👍

    • @TheRealEclipse1
      @TheRealEclipse1 Місяць тому +1

      Yes, I assumed that this is how everyone had internet that wasn't from a phone line or satellite lol. Now I don't know what to think or feel lol.

  • @Mithrandir6622
    @Mithrandir6622 Місяць тому

    My ISP (videotron) still uses coaxial to router connection so I'm wondering if all the coaxials have internet running. It help since I have a google tv in the basement which is running on wifi. I'll have to try this!

  • @ManuFortis
    @ManuFortis Місяць тому

    There's a few potential issues with MoCA.
    1. Singal to noise ratio I think is the correct term, might be vice versa. Ultimately, old wires will likely end up with a worse one over time. Depending on how old those coxial cables in the walls are, they might not even be shielded cables. Get them tested through your ISP provider, if you can. Ask them for a signal test on your line going into the house. When the tech rep shows up, just ask them to do a quick test on the coaxial cables in the house too. Ideally with MoCA already attempted to be set up. They'll (likely for my ISP at least) just help ya through the rest and test those lines for you too. The reason this matters, is because there is a range that the SnR needs to be in to operate correctly on a reliable basis. If it isn't, you're going to get some really inconsistent networking. I had mine fixed up, and it's now working basically flawlessly. (Not MoCA setup, to be clear. But it will affect MoCA anyways, because it's the outside line in this case.)
    2. You may have many coaxial outlets in the house, but they may not all be connected anywhere except dedicated ports on the other end. Make sure they are connected first, or you're not going to get far with it.
    3. Remember, unless you are renting, you could always just buy some decent ethernet cables with extra speed/bandwidth available for the future, and have them run through the house instead. Heck, you can probably just use the coaxial cables you might have to help you snake them through without a hitch. Maybe.
    Or you can do what we used to do a long time ago when I was a teenager, and run the cables along the walls by stuffing them down into the carpet where it meets the wall and is normally covered by the trim. If we needed the cables to go downstairs, we slipped a few through the air vent's hole by prying it open on the short side. The cover should still fit, if it's a deep enough hole. If not, grab a pair of pliers and give it a similar bend to fit again. Any dangling cables at that point get sent through the drop down ceiling if that's what is installed, or run down to the floor again to hide in the carpet down there. Or the rafter, if you have that going with the support beams for the main floor. Make it work for you. Same deal with going upstairs essentially, but will be a bit trickier due to vent locations now. We just hid it along the corners of the wall/ceiling going upwards, and painted over it after gluing it in place to keep it steady. Sure, you can see the cable run there when you look for it, but otherwise it's kind of out of sight out of mind.
    Was it a pain in the A. Yeah, a bit. But once it's done, you're not doing it again for a long, long time. And it's all much more easily replaceable when needed than having it in your walls. Let's face it, no one wants to have to tear open their walls. Not just for the cost of it, but also whatever they find they can't leave unfixed.

  • @RyuFelinshire
    @RyuFelinshire Місяць тому +1

    I just used my coax cable as a pull cord for some cat6a cable since there was a coax cable from near my deck to near the router.

  • @mattrick3398
    @mattrick3398 Місяць тому

    Usually Dish Cable doesn't work with MoCA due to how they transfer the signal to their joeys. But I had not heard of a POE adapter before to reduce interference the only PoE I had heard of was Power over Ethernet (whatever that is ik it's a thing but no clue what it's used for). So with one or more of these POE adapters could I actually get MoCA to work? I want to wire the internet from my room to my little sisters room (neither of us have cable in our rooms).

  • @dervolker
    @dervolker Місяць тому

    with the displayed screenbeam boxes i havent had good connectivity. direct coax line between 2 rooms (3 stories in between), no hub/splitter, no nothing. it worked for a few minutes/hours, then started dropping packets randomly. switched to a german brand (axis) and even though the speed is about 500mbits, i’d rather take that and have stability, then speed and instability

  • @KripaSingh
    @KripaSingh Місяць тому

    I'm using MoCA adapter with the latest 2.5GB version. I recently upgraded my switch with 2.5GB. Using both 1GB ethernet port on my Synology DS920+, I'm now transferring the files from PC to NAS with consistent speed of over 200+ MB/s. Previously, it'll only do 100+ MB/s.

  • @tiagotiagot
    @tiagotiagot Місяць тому

    Would it be possible to hook up two WiFi hotspots to each other directly by replacing their antennas with a coaxial cable, or that would fry them?

  • @progammler
    @progammler Місяць тому

    Will MoCA work over (unshielded) power cables? I need to connect over 50m distance and only have power cables available. I tried multiple powerline adapters but they didn't get a stable connection over the entire distance.

  • @stephenluttrell8958
    @stephenluttrell8958 Місяць тому

    When Spectrum increased their data speeds a lot of people started having trouble with their cable TV because they needed a filter, but when ever they sent out a tech, the tech never seemed to carry them on their truck.

  • @SinisterSlay1
    @SinisterSlay1 Місяць тому

    I'm interested in this but it needs more info, I have no idea which connections go where in my house and which ones are still live and which ones are dead and which ones are on splitters. How do I figure that out? And how many splitters can this thing go through? And is it only one to one or does it get an endpoint after every split?

    • @JJFlores197
      @JJFlores197 Місяць тому

      You'll need to look around your house to see where the main cable line from your cable provider comes in. I think in most homes, its usually on the side of the house. Its usually a small utlitiy box on the wall or it may be recessed into the wall. Open it (usually a flat head screw driver will do) and you should see a black think coax cable that goes into the ground (or up if you have a pole that services your area). The main line should connect to a splitter. This splitter should have numerous other coax cables that feed the various parts of your home. This is where you'll need to do some trial and error to identify which cable goes where if they aren't labeled. (Now would be a good time to label them for future reference).

  • @ElitePraetorianGuard
    @ElitePraetorianGuard Місяць тому

    MoCA adapters is how I get a wired connection from my router to my gaming rig. They are a god send compared to powerline adapters. Every room in my house was wired for Coax and I was able to isolate the coax cable my my room to one that wasn't being used from a previous satellite installation to have a direct connection using just one barrel adapter. Speeds are excellent and offer more than what my ISP provides and it only adds about 2-3ms of latency to any connection. Not bad.

  • @Minus4
    @Minus4 Місяць тому

    Iv been using moca for years. They work great

  • @Longshot1056
    @Longshot1056 Місяць тому

    MoCA is a great alternative to using wifi or in scenarios where running ethernet isn't an option. Its something that large cable/satellite companies have been using for years to transmit data between cable boxes and modems to IP cable boxes. There's some definite drawbacks though. For the best performance you'll want to have your MoCA network isolated from the outside network. This would entail having dedicated cable lines for the MoCA network. Another drawback is bandwidth is shared between all the nodes on a MoCA network. So while a single "transmitter" at your router can communicate to multiple MoCA "receivers" at the devices they will all share the bandwidth that whatever generation you use provides.
    It can also be said that due to the large increase in fiber to the home installs and the expansion of frequency ranges used by cable operators that MoCA is being kind of left behind. It unfortunately sits in a frequency range that is becoming increasingly common to be overlapped with OFDM carriers for DOCSIS 3.1 and will very much be overlapped when DOCSIS 4.0 goes out into the wild in either form (FDX or ESD). Many cable operators are abandoning the technology as they're moving to wireless cable boxes or to running ethernet, and as that continues I have a feeling this technology will sadly fade away much like cable cards did.

  • @reqinu1678
    @reqinu1678 Місяць тому +2

    Great tips, thank you ! 😎

  • @nifco1290
    @nifco1290 Місяць тому

    Can you do a video on fishing replacement wiring through the wall using the existing wiring?

  • @styles234
    @styles234 Місяць тому

    I use MoCA as an in between transportation method for my mesh system. Lets the pucks use ethernet backhaul and the wifi runs way better compared to just placing the pucks down and having them connect wirelessly.

  • @DigitalIP
    @DigitalIP Місяць тому +1

    This is how Verizons FIOS Extenders work, they arent repeaters or wifi extenders in the normal sense but are actual hardline Extenders With WIFI using the Coax cables in your home, they are basically a secondary router. in Any room that has a Coax cable you can use a MoCA Ethernet Adapter or an Extender/Router to give that room hardline ethernet.

  • @ragtop63
    @ragtop63 Місяць тому

    I set up a Powerline pair to help move their WiFi router to a more centralized part of their house. They're getting a consistent 800-900 Mbps between local devices and they easily max out their subscribed throughput, no problem. MoCA is cool but unless all of your coax lines merge to a central point (which many don't), it won't work everywhere in the house without some work being done to the cabling demarc first.

  • @Kytetiger
    @Kytetiger Місяць тому

    I don't know about wiring. But if i have multiple coax cables. Will multiple Moca mix the signals ?

    • @Obscurai
      @Obscurai Місяць тому

      MoCA works the same way as old 10Base2 ethernet. That is, it's a shared bus. Specifically, the coax splitter is the bus. As long as you don't have too much going on at the same time, there are really no issues. Just be sure to get a coax splitter that is rated for MoCa and can handle the MoCA range of frequencies.

  • @AndrewLakebrink-cz2vl
    @AndrewLakebrink-cz2vl Місяць тому

    Having a basement where all the coax lines come from is a huge blessing. I'm planning on using the coax lines to fish ethernet to a few rooms.

  • @TonyPadgett
    @TonyPadgett Місяць тому

    So I have a coax near my router. My router is currently connected to that Coax for the internet connection to my ISP. How do I get MOCA to connect back to that coax port if it is already taken up by the ISP to my router?

  • @itskdog
    @itskdog Місяць тому

    Cable TV is only one TV provider in the UK, the default expectation in a house here is for a roof-mounted aerial for terrestrial broadcasts to pick up DTT (branded Freeview) ever since analogue transmission was switched off in 2012.
    Edit: If anything, knowing how to transform old phone wiring for anyone who has moved their landline to VoIP and has FTTP service into Ethernet would be much better, as given they're usually daisy-chained its probably not as straightforward as just getting an adapter.

  • @DHGamerMR
    @DHGamerMR Місяць тому +1

    We bought a 110 year old house with heavy plaster walls back in the spring. While I'd like to upgrade the house to CAT6A over time, I built the in-home network for now by using Screenbeam MoCA adapters like the ones shown in the video to connect the COAX cables that the previous residents used for their DirectTV dish. Pricey for now, but definitely far better and far easier than busting into the walls of every room and running new cables for ethernet!

    • @RegenTonnenEnte
      @RegenTonnenEnte Місяць тому +1

      "Heavy plaster walls" sounds like reinforced cardboard to a European

    • @DHGamerMR
      @DHGamerMR Місяць тому

      @@RegenTonnenEnte lol if only! Talking about actual plaster walls, not drywall or plasterboard here.

  • @RealDonkeyKing
    @RealDonkeyKing Місяць тому

    PowerLine interferes with VDSL2+ Connections, have this issue because our neigbours below us use one we can't recieve 100mbit/s anymore.
    The Telekom technician told us, the copper wires are used like an antenna and interferes with frequencys above 5000mhz (if i remember correctly) therefore the DSL is now only at 80mbit/s max.
    If they unplug it from the power (all connectors) the internet speed goes back up.

  • @Thingstest-rl8xu
    @Thingstest-rl8xu Місяць тому

    When you have old cable like "RG59" in the walls etc to just iffy connections anywhere then MoCA may not work. Same problems causes DOCSIS 3 or higher cable modems/gateways to crawl or disconnect no matter how good the service to a building. Example the wall outlet show in the video hinds another connection that often fails or use thin/damages cable that makes new modems and more devices to barf even tho TV Set Top Boxes may work without problems.

  • @nathanfife2890
    @nathanfife2890 Місяць тому

    I have seen powerline adapters that support 2 gigabit, it's like 80 bucks for two so they're not cheap. Last I checked a couple years ago, but they definitely work.

  • @plankera
    @plankera Місяць тому

    Huh, my home is pretty old (over 20 at this point), but we’ve got both Ethernet and coax in almost every room. I guess everyone’s mileage can and will vary when it comes to the availability of these wiring standards.

  • @thenewworld3848
    @thenewworld3848 Місяць тому

    We are to modern in the netherlands. A lot of houses have no coax anymore. The whole internet here is nowadays only glass fiber so sadly have to run cables across the house

  • @Darkk6969
    @Darkk6969 Місяць тому

    The Moca devices are great. I have a couple made by ScreenBeam 2.5 gig version and looking forward to 10 gig version when it becomes available.
    There is one thing Linus didn't mention in the video is that there is a max 300 feet limit between moca devices. This shouldn't be an issue for most homeowners. But for whose who are thinking of making long runs between buildings I'd go fiber. Pretty sure Linus will try to prove me wrong. 😅

  • @MATDLL
    @MATDLL Місяць тому

    Just a FYI: an alternative to MoCa is DeCa (DirecTV's version of MoCa). MoCa is supposed to not interfere with cable TV (but is not compatible with satellite TV). DeCa is compatible with satellite TV but not cable. However if you have a coax installation you are not using, then both MoCa and DeCa work for you. And DeCa adapters are dirt cheap compared to MoCa.

  • @johngonzalez7750
    @johngonzalez7750 Місяць тому

    I didn't expect to see MoCA standard talked about here i still have a few adapters kicking around from dish they still use it for their internet service

  • @icywind32
    @icywind32 Місяць тому

    Excited to do this. Been researching this for a while. Just have to replace my splitters that are moca compatible :)

  • @CutieHoney
    @CutieHoney Місяць тому

    I have Fiber to the Home and coax in every room. I've been using MoCa 2.5 since it came out and never had an issue. I get full 2.5Gbps through out the house.

  • @TigerClaw305
    @TigerClaw305 Місяць тому +10

    Moca adapters are great as a wired backhaul for your Wifi Mesh routers.

  • @bytehead904
    @bytehead904 Місяць тому

    You youngsters. I was alive, and more importantly, dealt with the OG Ethernet RG59 standard. Which at the time had a max speed of 10mps. Yeah, slower than what WiFi is today. AND WE LIKED IT!

  • @TVwatcher-ic3ne
    @TVwatcher-ic3ne Місяць тому

    One advantage of moca vs. power line adapters is that in a power outage you can keep your moca network alive with a UPS. (Power line adapters will not work through a UPS. )

  • @p3ggy80
    @p3ggy80 Місяць тому

    Really useful tool for using another form of cabling. Thanks.

  • @execute1d
    @execute1d Місяць тому +1

    i suggest explain about 10Base5, yeah its 80's technology but its interesting from early days of ethernet