Thanks for your quality content! I am interested in upgrading my grinder, currently have a Mazzer Mini. Moving from Mazzer Mini to either the Atom or even better the Helios, is it considered an upgrade and if yes, by how much? In terms of Eureka, what is the difference between the Atom and the Helios line? Thanks!
Love this but I'm concerned about that safety switch/sensor at the hopper base. I can't help wondering if this could be its "weak link in the chain" in terms of reliability.
@@Wholelattelovepage I imagine so, I have no doubt. But I'm also concerned about the declumping tech they've been using. I've seen reports of the metal tabs bending upward as coffee pushed against it. Resulting in clumpy coffee. It was said that Eureka was working on a revision to this but I haven't seen anything regarding any improvements to this. If you have any update on that, or details about the declumping used in this machine, I'm very interested. It's a beauty.
Hi Lorenzo, Thanks for the comment and question. Unless you need the larger hopper or just prefer the look of the Helios I'd go with the Mignon XL. Same burr size plus a burr upgrade to the "Diamond Inside" burrs which stay sharper longer. Marc
Hi Marc, nice review as always! What about rentention? And do you think there will be smaller hoppers available in the future? Really like the look of the Helios but I'm afraid it might appear to massive beside my Mozzafiato :) It probably makes more sense for Restaurants / Cafes...
Hey Rusty, Thanks for the comment. I will be doing retention measurements in the future. We are working with Eureka on the possibility of smaller hoppers. Marc
Hi Marc, Great video's as usual, so informative. I know you have had a lot of hopper questions, but was wondering if there would be a shorter after market, or a shorter hopper from a different machine. Its definitely a need to purchase this unit, but the hopper is just to tall... Thanks again for the awesome informative video!!!!
Hi LM, Thanks for the question. Currently no shorter Eureka hoppers which fit the Helios. We have discussed a shorter hopper with Eureka and think one will be available at some time but nothing definite to report at this time. Marc
What your thoughts on these now you have had a plAy on them for a bit. The 80 is fast and they look like good quality grinders and easy to clean etc. how would you compare to the new Mazza Major S V or the ceado E37s. This review didn’t seem to push them much just outlined the features but you didn’t seem captured by them. Any further thoughts or feedback?
This grinder looks great but its new tech doesn't seem realistic for home applications. Love the look too. BUT... Marc, when will you show us YOUR home espresso setup?? Thanks for all you do.
Hi Andy, Thanks for the comment. The Helios design is stunning - very Milano! As for home espresso setup I rotate through a variety of machines for real world testing. At the start of the pandemic we locked down in NY. Not knowing how long that might last, the day the lock down was announced I took home a favorite pair. An ECM Synchronika w/flow control and a Ceado E37S. As restrictions eased I was able to return to work. My wife and college student daughter were left at home and wanted something a little more convenient so per their requests it's been a variety of bean to cup super-automatics in the past few months including a Jura ENA 8 and Gaggia Cadorna Prestige. Marc
Hey SS, Thanks for the question. I have not tried the Helios 80 yet. But I def will when I get my hands on one - hopefully soon. Generalizing between Eureka and Ceado grinders the Ceados have a better build quality in my opinion and that's reflected in the price difference. Depends on what you like but the Milan inspired look of Helios grinders is more contemporary IMO. If cost and look are not a concern the E37S is my choice. Hope that help[s! Marc
Thanks Marc, both machines can be upgraded with red speed burrs (which is tempting). Actually I like both of them with their look, however I am not sure if it’s worth to add more cost between 80mm eureka to 83mm ceado. What I can see that, both machines are quite satisfying. Cheers
Hi Jose, Unless you need a high capacity hopper or prefer the look of one over the other I'd go Oro XL. It's a more recent addition to the Eureka line and features diamond inside burrs, a much more compact package, similar grind quality and lower price. Here's a side by side spec comparison with pricing and links to owner reviews: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NjYxNTk2NTk1ODE5OCw0NjU5NDUyODM3OTQy Hope that helps! Marc
Hi CAB, Thanks for the questions. At their heart the are very similar. Helios is a more updated design with a couple of added features for about the same price. I'd go with the more recent Helios. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Atom and Helios grinders: /pages/compare?products=NDIxNjQxMzU4NTQ2Miw0NjU5NDYwOTk3MTc0 Marc
Not sure but I currently have the e37s and its a tank. very clean grinder never makes a mess during grinding. Has the worm gear to adjust the coarseness of the grind so its steeples. It is clump free and fast. depending on your grind size you'll grind 18 g in about 3.8-4.5 seconds. Hope that helps
Hi j, Thanks for the question. Depends on which Ceado grinder you are looking at. @vik kash left good advice. I'll just add the E37S is 83mm burr with a higher level, more solid build quality - tank is right! It is of course more $$ than the Helios. The Ceado, E5P is the best value in a 64mm burr manual on demand, The E6P is same grinder as E5P but with two timed presets in addition to manual grinding. Then there's the E5SD single doser. You can compare those 3 in this video: ua-cam.com/video/V-Fnu7R68Tc/v-deo.html The Helios does a nice grind and sports that Milan designed style! Marc
My Helios 80 has just arrived and I'm having some trouble with it. It only works for a coarse grind. When I dial up for my (pretty standard) espresso recipe, the machine simply doesn't work. Apparently the beans get stuck in the burrs and they don´t have power to grind anymore. Any help with that?
Hi JPB, Sorry you're having troubles. Sounds like your grinder is not in the process of grinding when you are adjusting finer? Adjusting finer in any grinder without the motor running can crush beans between the burrs. That can inhibit the burrs from spinning next time the motor attempts to start. All grinders must be running when adjusting finer or be free of beans. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the answer! This problem - unfortunately - happens also when I adjust with the engines on. I´m already in contact with Eureka and it seems like some of the machines were built and distributed with defective components
Hi OM, MD, It is a large hopper! Unfortunately, the diameter of the Atom hopper is smaller. Also, it's missing a protrusion in the mounting area to de-activate the hopper safety switch. We have talked to Eureka about a smaller hopper for the Helios and hope to have one at some point but no news on that yet. We worked with Ceado some years ago to get smaller hoppers standard on many of their grinders. Marc
I’m a big fan of Eureka grinders and these look amazing!
These look so much nicer than their square grinders! And the quality is looking top notch as well.
Been waiting for this review. What a beast! Would love to see a blind taste comparison with the Ceado Marc. Cheers Squib.☕️
Noted! We will be coming back for more with the Helios!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Please compare the E37S with the Helios 75
helios 80
Excited about the Mignon XL 65mm
Thanks for your quality content! I am interested in upgrading my grinder, currently have a Mazzer Mini. Moving from Mazzer Mini to either the Atom or even better the Helios, is it considered an upgrade and if yes, by how much? In terms of Eureka, what is the difference between the Atom and the Helios line? Thanks!
Love this but I'm concerned about that safety switch/sensor at the hopper base. I can't help wondering if this could be its "weak link in the chain" in terms of reliability.
Hi Richard, I have no reports of issues with the sensor - they are robust!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I imagine so, I have no doubt. But I'm also concerned about the declumping tech they've been using. I've seen reports of the metal tabs bending upward as coffee pushed against it. Resulting in clumpy coffee. It was said that Eureka was working on a revision to this but I haven't seen anything regarding any improvements to this. If you have any update on that, or details about the declumping used in this machine, I'm very interested. It's a beauty.
Hi Marc,
great content! I wonder how the Helios 65 compares to the Eureka Mignon XL. You got any advise on which one to take?
Hi Lorenzo, Thanks for the comment and question. Unless you need the larger hopper or just prefer the look of the Helios I'd go with the Mignon XL. Same burr size plus a burr upgrade to the "Diamond Inside" burrs which stay sharper longer.
Marc
Hi Marc, nice review as always! What about rentention? And do you think there will be smaller hoppers available in the future? Really like the look of the Helios but I'm afraid it might appear to massive beside my Mozzafiato :) It probably makes more sense for Restaurants / Cafes...
Hey Rusty, Thanks for the comment. I will be doing retention measurements in the future. We are working with Eureka on the possibility of smaller hoppers.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage That's good news as I ordered a Helios 65 and only thing missing is the smaller hopper :)
Hi Marc,
Great video's as usual, so informative. I know you have had a lot of hopper questions, but was wondering if there would be a shorter after market, or a shorter hopper from a different machine. Its definitely a need to purchase this unit, but the hopper is just to tall... Thanks again for the awesome informative video!!!!
Hi LM, Thanks for the question. Currently no shorter Eureka hoppers which fit the Helios. We have discussed a shorter hopper with Eureka and think one will be available at some time but nothing definite to report at this time.
Marc
What your thoughts on these now you have had a plAy on them for a bit. The 80 is fast and they look like good quality grinders and easy to clean etc. how would you compare to the new Mazza Major S V or the ceado E37s. This review didn’t seem to push them much just outlined the features but you didn’t seem captured by them. Any further thoughts or feedback?
This grinder looks great but its new tech doesn't seem realistic for home applications. Love the look too.
BUT... Marc, when will you show us YOUR home espresso setup?? Thanks for all you do.
Hi Andy, Thanks for the comment. The Helios design is stunning - very Milano! As for home espresso setup I rotate through a variety of machines for real world testing. At the start of the pandemic we locked down in NY. Not knowing how long that might last, the day the lock down was announced I took home a favorite pair. An ECM Synchronika w/flow control and a Ceado E37S. As restrictions eased I was able to return to work. My wife and college student daughter were left at home and wanted something a little more convenient so per their requests it's been a variety of bean to cup super-automatics in the past few months including a Jura ENA 8 and Gaggia Cadorna Prestige.
Marc
Can you install a smaller hopper on the grinder to decrease its height footprint?
Not that I'm aware of.
Nice review!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Marc
The 65 model is a way to huge!
She's big!
Thank you for the quality video. Is the led spot light and screen permanently on? Or does it go into off mode over unused time.
Hi hH, You are welcome! The screen and LED light stay on unless the grinder's main power switch is turned off.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you Marc for your fast reply. You and your channel really add value with quality customer support!
I'm debating either to get this or the atom specialty 75? Which one is better?
Hi DV, Well, bigger burrs are generally better so I'd go with the 75.
Marc
I was looking for that review
Hi AS, and there it is!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage
However I still want to know how precise it is. If you grind 10 times in 4s for example... It varies a lot or not?
Thanks
Is there any short hopper available for Helios grinders? Thanks in advance
Hi S, Thanks for the question. No shorter hopper that I'm aware of for the Helios grinder.
Marc
Great video. What do you think about Helios 80, did you try? If so, can you compare with ceado e37s with Eureka helios 80? Thanks.
Hey SS, Thanks for the question. I have not tried the Helios 80 yet. But I def will when I get my hands on one - hopefully soon. Generalizing between Eureka and Ceado grinders the Ceados have a better build quality in my opinion and that's reflected in the price difference. Depends on what you like but the Milan inspired look of Helios grinders is more contemporary IMO. If cost and look are not a concern the E37S is my choice. Hope that help[s!
Marc
Thanks Marc, both machines can be upgraded with red speed burrs (which is tempting). Actually I like both of them with their look, however I am not sure if it’s worth to add more cost between 80mm eureka to 83mm ceado. What I can see that, both machines are quite satisfying. Cheers
How is this compared to the ORO XL 65mm?
Hi Jose, Unless you need a high capacity hopper or prefer the look of one over the other I'd go Oro XL. It's a more recent addition to the Eureka line and features diamond inside burrs, a much more compact package, similar grind quality and lower price. Here's a side by side spec comparison with pricing and links to owner reviews: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NjYxNTk2NTk1ODE5OCw0NjU5NDUyODM3OTQy
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage awesome! thanks so much for this!
This or the atom? What are the differences between them and whats better for home use?
Hi CAB, Thanks for the questions. At their heart the are very similar. Helios is a more updated design with a couple of added features for about the same price. I'd go with the more recent Helios. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Atom and Helios grinders: /pages/compare?products=NDIxNjQxMzU4NTQ2Miw0NjU5NDYwOTk3MTc0
Marc
Hello, is possible to use this grinder for espresso and for batch brew aswell ? i mean the qualitty of grinding.
Thanks for the question. Yes it could be, but generally setup as an espresso specialist.
Marc
I’m getting a new grinder in the next few months. I have been looking at Ceado grinders. How does this grinder compare?
Not sure but I currently have the e37s and its a tank. very clean grinder never makes a mess during grinding. Has the worm gear to adjust the coarseness of the grind so its steeples. It is clump free and fast. depending on your grind size you'll grind 18 g in about 3.8-4.5 seconds. Hope that helps
Hi vk, Thanks for the contribution!
Marc
Hi j, Thanks for the question. Depends on which Ceado grinder you are looking at. @vik kash left good advice. I'll just add the E37S is 83mm burr with a higher level, more solid build quality - tank is right! It is of course more $$ than the Helios. The Ceado, E5P is the best value in a 64mm burr manual on demand, The E6P is same grinder as E5P but with two timed presets in addition to manual grinding. Then there's the E5SD single doser. You can compare those 3 in this video: ua-cam.com/video/V-Fnu7R68Tc/v-deo.html
The Helios does a nice grind and sports that Milan designed style!
Marc
Will the short hopper from the old Eureka fit on this new helios?
Hi WRX, No it will not. We have been talking to Eureka about a shorter hopper for the Helios.
Marc
My Helios 80 has just arrived and I'm having some trouble with it. It only works for a coarse grind. When I dial up for my (pretty standard) espresso recipe, the machine simply doesn't work. Apparently the beans get stuck in the burrs and they don´t have power to grind anymore. Any help with that?
Hi JPB, Sorry you're having troubles. Sounds like your grinder is not in the process of grinding when you are adjusting finer? Adjusting finer in any grinder without the motor running can crush beans between the burrs. That can inhibit the burrs from spinning next time the motor attempts to start. All grinders must be running when adjusting finer or be free of beans.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the answer! This problem - unfortunately - happens also when I adjust with the engines on. I´m already in contact with Eureka and it seems like some of the machines were built and distributed with defective components
how would I fit a dosing cup under this?
Hey Nick, Depends on the cup height but might fit between the PF support fork. If not support fork is removable.
Marc
The only deal breaker is that ginormous hopper! 😆Do you think the atom blow-up hopper would fit on it?
Hi OM, MD, It is a large hopper! Unfortunately, the diameter of the Atom hopper is smaller. Also, it's missing a protrusion in the mounting area to de-activate the hopper safety switch. We have talked to Eureka about a smaller hopper for the Helios and hope to have one at some point but no news on that yet. We worked with Ceado some years ago to get smaller hoppers standard on many of their grinders.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the info Marc!
Hello! I have both Atom Pro and Helios 80. The blow-up lid from the Atom fits perfectly com the hopper from the Helios.
@@joaopedroborges3028 Thank you!
I think this “premiere” feature sucks.
Sorry
Hey! I love your videos. It’s nothing against wll.