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КОМЕНТАРІ • 139

  • @juancruzlujan6034
    @juancruzlujan6034 8 місяців тому +266

    "Practical Counter To Forward Castle On Arena" = having the most unbreakable defense in the world 🤣

    • @graouhyoga
      @graouhyoga 8 місяців тому +19

      And "probably lose 6-7 times out of 10". Now that's practical, I can apply it !

    • @schmeed0000
      @schmeed0000 8 місяців тому +10

      have good conversion luck and good mangonel bbc shot luck. 2500 elo guaranteed.

    • @locutusdiborg88
      @locutusdiborg88 8 місяців тому +14

      and god-tier micro

    • @RyanProsser0
      @RyanProsser0 8 місяців тому +3

      Ikr I came here for tips!!! Enjoyed the commentary, after watching the live event

  • @HvacHeathen
    @HvacHeathen 8 місяців тому +98

    Watching this is like watching a totally different game. I would’ve resigned after the second or third castle drop for sure. Your true skill lies in your ability to build a fire from your ashes

  • @Quadman808
    @Quadman808 8 місяців тому +47

    I've watched nearly all your stuff, one of the best come backs i think i've ever seen - Incredible Way To Stick It out for the Win !

    • @derekhettinger451
      @derekhettinger451 4 місяці тому +1

      Agreed. Pro mindset to not fold. I'd have been mentally gone upon seeing that Castle finish.

  • @injest1928
    @injest1928 8 місяців тому +49

    I think expanding out is so important when you're under pressure like this. I see so many people back themselves into a corner when they get castle dropped.

    • @IceSpoon
      @IceSpoon 8 місяців тому +6

      I do that, and I lose the game. There's no way I could do half of the things Hera did here, but I definitely learned a valuable lesson about spreading out.

    • @acamilicko
      @acamilicko 3 місяці тому

      Once I got CD on 2nd gate - no running out. It may be a good practice, a bit riskier, but close the farther gate first, and then quickly the closer one, and there is no expanding out ;)

  • @aa01blue38
    @aa01blue38 8 місяців тому +19

    I think mr. Yo played admirably in this series, Hera has been pretty unstoppable but Yo came up with some really interesting and unexpected strategies that made it quite a challenge.

  • @MrJhonvick
    @MrJhonvick 8 місяців тому +6

    I've seen this Match 3 times and still believe (YO) DELEATING Stable was a mistake.

  • @MrVollpfoste
    @MrVollpfoste 8 місяців тому +31

    second career for Hera as a caster incomming xD

    • @GotchaPlaysGer
      @GotchaPlaysGer 8 місяців тому

      Now have him react to himself casting a game of himself ;) reaction content creator inc

  • @xAptenodytE
    @xAptenodytE 8 місяців тому +8

    Amazing game. Remember watching it live at NAC. What a start to the series :)
    I think Yo's biggest "mistake" if you can call it that was actually not converting your siege workshop right after the stable. You were struggling for wood a lot at this moment in the game and I think this would have increased the presssure a lot more than the castle on the bottom side. Rebuilding the siege workshop is basically 1 less BBC then and potentially later. In hindsight it's obviously easy to say. Looking forward to the HC games.

  • @naturalbornpatriot6369
    @naturalbornpatriot6369 8 місяців тому +2

    Damn man, this is definitely one for the books. Thanks for the highlight. Your narration and tone of confidence gave away the ending, but regardless it was still a really good one. GG

  • @mrtadulla1512
    @mrtadulla1512 8 місяців тому +2

    Watching this live was awesome. You taught me to never give up, that's how I won a game yesterday after getting pressured the whole game :)

  • @emerson685
    @emerson685 8 місяців тому +1

    Not that you didn’t defend like a beast, but watching it live, it felt like Yo was unlucky with some conversion that I thought he should have gotten. Those little dudes pushing your cannons were loyal AF.

  • @Jompa10
    @Jompa10 8 місяців тому +1

    Such a good game! Gj staying cool. I love how you are both threatening to kill the other one at the same time

  • @ChessPampa
    @ChessPampa 8 місяців тому +4

    This game is one of a kind. One of the best games Ive seen

  • @Catatomicx
    @Catatomicx 8 місяців тому +3

    I remember you put a match vs. Viper where he did Organ guns vs. you pre nerf (you were playing Burgundians)
    You ended up losing the game because you never tried taking the opportunity to run some vils outside of your initial walls.
    I put a comment talking about enemy unit vision and how (assuming he didn't make outposts) you would have been able to abuse his slow movespeed to make a comeback. You actually read and liked it!
    While watching this NACV live, I thought back to that game and got insanely hyped watching you implement lessons you learned from old games WHERE VIEWERS WERE GIVING FEEDBACK
    This is why you're the GOAT and why you'll be my favorite AoE2 pro until the end of time. Humility, passion, perseverance, and the ability to not let the potential of optimal enemy play stop you from making your own opportunities
    (Yo could've saved the monks if he stopped shooting your walls ~ 16:05 )
    Translating lessons from your AoE gameplay over the last few months helped me hit Diamond for the first time in LoL with the highest winrate I've ever had.
    Go Hera!!!!

  • @HvacHeathen
    @HvacHeathen 8 місяців тому +3

    Love you Hera! Thank you for the content

  • @benedictjajo
    @benedictjajo 8 місяців тому +4

    He would have definitely won if he went cavalier+monk once he lost his 2 castles inside your base. The organs+monk felt pretty useless once you got BBCs and Hussars.

  • @LimitBreakr424
    @LimitBreakr424 8 місяців тому +2

    Awesome vid sharing your mindset of this match

  • @edmis90
    @edmis90 8 місяців тому +7

    Omfg Hera, you can't do this!
    This is not a video title one can easily pass up on and not watch.
    Sleep? Or watch? Sleep? Or watch?
    I blame Hera for my struggles, and he deserves it..

  • @parkerbond9400
    @parkerbond9400 8 місяців тому +3

    Turks do have redemption. They don't have block printing, illumination, or herbal medicine.

  •  8 місяців тому +8

    My man, there's a lot you can teach undoubtedly but this game, this game was pure skill from your side. I feel like deep down you just know that you are better overall and that does not let you accept how bad your current situation is in these kind of games, well played like always ~

  • @dustymanjuiice4445
    @dustymanjuiice4445 8 місяців тому +1

    That's always a smart play if he's pushing for Your Base push for his base instead of going to defend

  • @DealDiscoverer
    @DealDiscoverer 8 місяців тому +4

    I really liked the video, but how about the arena you played against Tatoh!! that was insane!!

  • @epsilon2944
    @epsilon2944 8 місяців тому +1

    That defense was incredible but conversions for Yo were really rough

  • @DJWONTONho
    @DJWONTONho 8 місяців тому

    It was moments like this that Mr. Yo gained a fan and I also was pumped to watch Nac5 streams.

  • @leifdurcholz8486
    @leifdurcholz8486 8 місяців тому +1

    21:08 this is like the olden times😂

  • @sralmendrita
    @sralmendrita 2 місяці тому

    for 900 Elo, the way i counter fordward castle (i play a lot of arena) is to make a super strong dark age with 11 vills on wood, 14 in food, 4 in stone, 2 in gold and 1 extra building things while changing age. In feudal i build market and BS as fast as possible, create 2 vills more for stone. For the time market is up i have enoght for castle and 3 pikemen and forge. Most of the time rival is castle like 4 min before me, but i have a lot of pikes with forge to counter any castles. If they quickwall, tower, but generally this dont happens (remember, 900 elo, works for me most of times)

  • @ricardocunha5590
    @ricardocunha5590 8 місяців тому

    This game was amazing, it blowed my mind 👏
    As arena is my favorite map, do you consider playing it more often? IMO, and think you start to agree, arena can be a lot of fun to play (watch) and involves out of the box strategies, mental guessing (openings).
    Keep them coming and congrats again 🐐🏆👏

  • @emad8944
    @emad8944 8 місяців тому +1

    Your opponent doesn't have a heart of a fighter. It could be a really nice battle to see but he resigns. Although, very nice resistance by you Hera, mabrouk

  • @vinconssier4224
    @vinconssier4224 8 місяців тому

    Awesome battle. Love this format bro keen to see more play-by-play

  • @uga-uga1427
    @uga-uga1427 8 місяців тому +3

    Nice Game Hera. I think outbooming is a pretty usefull strategy, because most of the time u can hold quite well with little effort in the ages before post imp. greetings Butcher

  • @thelostangel7649
    @thelostangel7649 8 місяців тому

    9:35 That's really good insight, I only thought that it would be really hard to find value with light cav against so many organ guns already on the field. Seemed already too late to go into it at that point.

  • @aye-ayeldkoala7417
    @aye-ayeldkoala7417 8 місяців тому +3

    Cast your arena against tatoh. That game was sick.

    • @LimitBreakr424
      @LimitBreakr424 8 місяців тому

      2 weeks ago he made a community post saying he was working on a video for that match. I might be missremembering that he actually uploaded it because I cant find such a video on his channel. He does have his group set against Tatoh on his other gameplay channel

    • @HeraAgeofEmpires2
      @HeraAgeofEmpires2  8 місяців тому +2

      Coming soon!

  • @skdword
    @skdword 8 місяців тому +1

    good lord i would have tapped out SO quickly lol

  • @ar1sm70
    @ar1sm70 8 місяців тому +2

    Next time a Masters of Arena tournament happens, you better be in there, no excuses 1111

  • @makiboo
    @makiboo 7 місяців тому

    I watched this live, i could not believe that you could defend from this, amazing match.

  • @lukeborg5353
    @lukeborg5353 8 місяців тому +1

    Mic quality sounds good

  • @ObiwanNekody
    @ObiwanNekody 8 місяців тому

    That is one of the best games I've seen, at least how it feels right now.

  • @ns-islandsroblox
    @ns-islandsroblox 8 місяців тому +1

    If you were Mayans, britons, or any non-redemption civ with no bbc, how would you counter this? Thanks

  • @slungellife
    @slungellife 8 місяців тому +2

    Isn't Turks pretty much the best civ to defend a castle drop with, alongside maybe byzantines?

  • @pointteaboy7113
    @pointteaboy7113 8 місяців тому

    organ gun nerf actually changed the interaction with armored units. Hussars especially turk hussars actually tank quite a bit

  • @juansalazar828
    @juansalazar828 8 місяців тому +1

    I couldn´t believed that you took away Yo´s game, gratz on NAC5 and the streak

  • @zeynel_99
    @zeynel_99 8 місяців тому +1

    I think a 20 min fast imp wpuld be better. But yea u cant see the future. am i right?

  • @bunny_wilder
    @bunny_wilder 8 місяців тому +2

    You didn't mentioned how he was pop capped for so long because of the faetoria spam + you knocking down his castles. He cannot make more monks or organ guns to push you back

  • @solorsix
    @solorsix 8 місяців тому +1

    Nice work!

  • @thebigmarvinski
    @thebigmarvinski 8 місяців тому

    that was awesome to watch, it shows me that i tap out at times too early

  • @victorfinberg8595
    @victorfinberg8595 7 місяців тому

    big daddy counters forward castle every time

  • @christianflores9176
    @christianflores9176 8 місяців тому

    If I see a castle drop in my face like that, I’m resigning

  • @matthieumenard8149
    @matthieumenard8149 8 місяців тому

    I took the build order of that game from yo for my arena games. I felt it would be so strong at 1300 elo. It didn't disapoint.

  • @EMERICFRQC
    @EMERICFRQC 8 місяців тому +1

    Dude that is sick

  • @joshmcdonald7472
    @joshmcdonald7472 8 місяців тому +2

    1430 Elo on Xbox thank god you posted this people try castle drop every time

    • @HvacHeathen
      @HvacHeathen 8 місяців тому

      What civs do you play? I am also on Xbox, 1130

    • @joshmcdonald7472
      @joshmcdonald7472 8 місяців тому +1

      @@HvacHeathen I really like Vietnamese, bohemians and hindustanis. Vietnamese can turbo their economy with quick and cheap eco upgrades, bohemians turbo it with fervor and the free mining upgrades and Hindustanis with the cheap vills and knight + archer counters

    • @HvacHeathen
      @HvacHeathen 8 місяців тому

      @@joshmcdonald7472 I have some experience with Hindustans. No experiment with Vietnamese, I have played Bohemins but I failed to boom my Eco. with the help of the tech Fervor if I am hearing you right? Does fervor not make monks move a bit faster? Appreciate the response by the way. I’ve been struggling to find anyone to talk to AOE2 on Xbox about I would love to ask you some stuff if that’s cool :)

  • @4everdex
    @4everdex 8 місяців тому

    This game was absolutely insane. After the third castle dropped I was absolutely certain there was no coming back from this. Even the casters sounded like this game is over, even though you are trying everything to turn it. By far the best arena game I have seen so far. I hate that map btw.

  • @Talemir
    @Talemir 8 місяців тому +1

    Incredible game Hera are you robot or something ????

  • @ignaciootondo8732
    @ignaciootondo8732 8 місяців тому

    Impresionante!! Genio! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @YuhuanXie
    @YuhuanXie 8 місяців тому

    You never had stone to get a castle and artillery, Yo could have gotten his own bombards with siege engineers to outrange yours.
    Turks get redemption and atonement! You can mouse over the flag in the top corner to see your tech tree or download a mod to have the techtree show up in the area where you see unit lifebars.
    Can't wait for the review of your Aztec game on Arena vs Tatoh, the most amazing game I've ever seen, you micro the monks like the old AI from AoC that would hit and run with 20 archers at the same time.

  • @mikehelgeson6100
    @mikehelgeson6100 8 місяців тому +1

    Turks have redemption monks. But gg hera. Keep it up

  • @uglymeez236
    @uglymeez236 8 місяців тому

    I must be a total noob but wouldnt pikes defending the monks or running down both cannon/hussar be viable? Am i missing something 11 ? A handful of pikes would have wiped your hussars. Great game as always hera

  • @synt4x1e
    @synt4x1e 8 місяців тому +2

    Practical counter = be better.

  • @sogard3.028
    @sogard3.028 8 місяців тому +2

    hello,Hera.Would you want to play a 4v1 against me and 3 of my friends(we are beginners)? we can play on any map with any civilizations.

    • @HeraAgeofEmpires2
      @HeraAgeofEmpires2  8 місяців тому

      Yeah sure i offer this service, find the details in my discord

    • @sogard3.028
      @sogard3.028 8 місяців тому

      Im glad to hear that, Hera! You are my favorite Aeo2 yt..the champion!!!! Ill check the details there.

  • @Jelle528
    @Jelle528 8 місяців тому

    Crazy how much value you got out of those 3-5 bombard cannons

  • @16vSciroccoboi
    @16vSciroccoboi 8 місяців тому

    Sometimes my move is to just resign. Not because i can't defend or win, but because i just get bored being castle dropped so many times and the elo isn't really worth it.

  • @aspirenux8599
    @aspirenux8599 2 місяці тому +1

    Be the hera 😊

  • @micheleeichstetter4627
    @micheleeichstetter4627 8 місяців тому +2

    The biggest mistake Yo does here is the placement of his second castle. He needs to place it next to Hera's second gate so he can't escape. Without the space to farm outside, Hera has am even harder defense and I don't see him coming back then.

  • @Jerome...
    @Jerome... 5 місяців тому

    How do you counter forward castle when both your golds are in the front and pressured by said castle?

  • @moralez_84
    @moralez_84 8 місяців тому

    Incredibly well played.

  • @BYRONSLAM09
    @BYRONSLAM09 Місяць тому

    "and that s how you counter a drop castle easily... you just have to play like me, the best player of the world. izzy pizzy" 😂😂😂

  • @billy1496
    @billy1496 8 місяців тому

    me as a 1000 elo: ultra instinct is to build rams. and then delete your own wall all at once. RAMS!!!

  • @vaberan
    @vaberan 8 місяців тому

    Why didnt he switched into Cavalery after the 2nd or 3rd castle? Knights counter everything you had plus kills vils.

  • @teliph3U
    @teliph3U 6 місяців тому

    What do you do when you do not have cannons? And why did Yo not build cannons?

  • @hannibalfloyd
    @hannibalfloyd 8 місяців тому

    I'm surprised Yo attempted that strategy given that organ guns have been nerfed into the ground, they die so hard to mangonels now. Definitely got some undeserved elo using that strat on arena before it got nerfed, it was way too strong.

  • @cuneytevin9323
    @cuneytevin9323 7 місяців тому

    Why Yo didn't use light cav with organ guns?

  • @nickbeltz8602
    @nickbeltz8602 8 місяців тому

    'Let me speed this up to Texas speed' That's what I heard. Love the videos. Post GL team games

  • @fsdafdsafdas
    @fsdafdsafdas 2 місяці тому

    Came here expecting just some tips and knowledge drop, find one of the most resilient talent based wins I've ever seen 11

  • @zeynel_99
    @zeynel_99 8 місяців тому +1

    I will copy the portugiese strat. Thx

  • @kelvinka5200
    @kelvinka5200 8 місяців тому

    i think if yo had a lil bit more defence in his base, 15+ more halbs or something, he wouldve won that one

  • @kch2.4
    @kch2.4 8 місяців тому +1

    how 😂

  • @blackhairedgees
    @blackhairedgees 8 місяців тому

    what if u make towers + mango vs port organgs?

  • @SaaM2015
    @SaaM2015 8 місяців тому +1

    No one other than you in the world could have won this game !

  • @allenbythesea
    @allenbythesea 8 місяців тому +2

    great video but really hate when casters talk about 'broken' units when they are just normal counters. This game would be awful if everything were just the same effectiveness against everything else.

    • @HvacHeathen
      @HvacHeathen 8 місяців тому

      Would call him a “caster” he’s the number 1 player in the world most of the time in this game lol

    • @HvacHeathen
      @HvacHeathen 8 місяців тому

      Nah some units are def broken. Sure everything has counters, and different levels of soft and hard counters, but somtimes the game devs. Are not perfect humans and they improperly create one of these relationships, causing for example a hard counter to one unit may also do pretty good against all other units, and do just fine in mass against its own hard counter. Things can always be broken lol

    • @allenbythesea
      @allenbythesea 8 місяців тому

      fair, he is the best! I was talking casters as a generalization.@@HvacHeathen

    • @HvacHeathen
      @HvacHeathen 8 місяців тому

      @@allenbythesea ahh also very fair to you, I can see that being an anoyying trait for casters to have. Might’ve gotten a little defensive for Hera 😂 if he’s says it broken it’s broken! Lol even he is not infallible just like the game devs. I see your point good sir

  • @leonwang144
    @leonwang144 8 місяців тому

    incredible game

  • @why_wait
    @why_wait 8 місяців тому

    Incredible game

  • @virtualdexterity
    @virtualdexterity 5 місяців тому

    I would've resigned 5 times in this situation

  • @ModernMozart1104
    @ModernMozart1104 8 місяців тому

    How to counter a forward castle.
    Trebs.

  • @shahrezaDE
    @shahrezaDE 8 місяців тому

    I thought when you picked turks you go for your famous fast imp bbc hc. Was surprised you didn't.

  • @ariisee
    @ariisee 8 місяців тому

    Beautiful game ngl

  • @LanceXBT
    @LanceXBT 3 місяці тому

    how do i get these maps? I also have definitive edition 2

  • @yosemitebandit
    @yosemitebandit 8 місяців тому

    isn't there a NAC5 game that was super similar?

  • @JahanThakur-rm3hn
    @JahanThakur-rm3hn 8 місяців тому

    A counter when you are not turks would be great to see!

  • @frankxu1365
    @frankxu1365 8 місяців тому

    Feel like no one can do it with any other civ lol, free chemistry + hussar is so crucial here

  • @Vazgen_Ghazaryan
    @Vazgen_Ghazaryan 8 місяців тому

    Could you do anything in this situation with Armenians?

  • @almandyn1
    @almandyn1 8 місяців тому

    Is it possible to convert a petard without redemption?

  • @fuuuuuuuuuuuullllll7790
    @fuuuuuuuuuuuullllll7790 8 місяців тому +1

    Sos una bestia hera

  • @AA-pk6fo
    @AA-pk6fo 2 місяці тому

    nothing practical about your defense, it was a work of art!!! wp

  • @miloserv
    @miloserv 3 місяці тому

    how the fuck did u win this. my 1k elo brain cannot comprehend

  • @dylanfalk3243
    @dylanfalk3243 8 місяців тому +1

    This is how my Turks games look

  • @orc_gunslinger
    @orc_gunslinger 8 місяців тому

    what about going scouts earlier, and not letting the villagers leave the base?

    • @HeraAgeofEmpires2
      @HeraAgeofEmpires2  8 місяців тому +3

      thats ideal but its hard to afford. usually he can still quick wall/fight off the scouts and get the castle down anyways

    • @pocketgroyper9301
      @pocketgroyper9301 7 місяців тому

      He wasn't expecting the castle to be forward. Also its too easy to just quickwall out the scouts with 8 vils building a castle

  • @isaac1992-g4i
    @isaac1992-g4i 6 місяців тому

    I like it 😊

  • @theredelephant428
    @theredelephant428 8 місяців тому

    I wasn’t watching - can you do it again?

  • @erikhill3431
    @erikhill3431 5 місяців тому

    How to counter forward castle.
    Step 1. Have 2800 elo 😅

  • @T3hZiggy
    @T3hZiggy 8 місяців тому

    Countering forward castle on arena... Easiest difficulty imho

    • @T3hZiggy
      @T3hZiggy 8 місяців тому

      What makes forward castle so op is typically on Arabia/open maps is where they lead tower/army rushing opponents stone and/or gold leading into fast castle drop on your nuts not arena wall ... >,>

  • @arichagy6208
    @arichagy6208 8 місяців тому

    Title is misleading but super impressive game.