"naaaahhh but the gameplay thooo" its for call of duty bros who dont even care about fighting games so dont wanna have anything to practice or think about really.
I like how they just took the assists from the MK11 Towers of Time and just turned that into the main mechanic in this game. I feel they could’ve done a lot more with kameos or if not they should have just put in an actual tag mode
And yet. No one is still talking any of the other parts of a kameos kit. And still we are only using it for one move. They just need to make those things more usable in between moments of your "gameplan". Stryker's low and overhead needs to be something you want to actively use. Rather than what we have now.
The thing is, all of striker’s moves are amazing. He has bombs that can be used as a projectile or as extension, O/L mixups that are fast and safe and a restand. I don’t use him but I understand why others use him
@@binkl2844um clearly u don't. No one uses his grenades as projectiles or combo extensions. They use them to be safe or plus after they do something unsafe
@@Radi0Racc00n This is what I am talking about. He has other moves than grenade you know. Yet. No one is picking him for the kit he has. They are picking him, and he is not the only one guilty of this, for his grenades to make moves safe. Which, I am not saying they should take away. But, they need to make the options options something to look at.
Not with whoever is in charge of the rest of the design for gameplay and character balance. Everything else in the game seems to rage against the idea of an assist based game....also against fun in general
@InTheKitchenWristStirFry yep kameos should enhance what your character does, but anyone below top 10 requires the kameos to plug some kind of massive design flaw. In the case of the bottom 5, the kameos don't even do that.
@InTheKitchenWristStirFry and why people don't see it bothers me. The characters need to be completed before kameos can even be discussed. Like how is sektor bad when no character compliments sektor yet.
they should just made a characters complete without cameos and the cameos should be just an additional moves extra shot extra hit extra buff smth like this not this crazy cyrax move that do everything
Yeah...mkx had the perfect engine and base to build a really good game tbh...it is sad they scrapped that...I felt they could have literally built a masterpiece on top of that...
Stryker cooldown is fine. I don’t think anyone wants to have to hold infinite block pressure against baraka. Already hate that crap just like sento pressure
Tom I think you're partially wrong about the availability thing. Yes availability is extremely important for a kameo but I feel you're mixing things up. Cyrax wasn't the best because of availability, it was because he gave everyone an on-command on-reaction ambush that allowed looping pressure and also did insane chip damage, as well as let you get a combo. The problem with Stryker wasn't availability, it was how he baited you into taking your turn coming from behind the point character so you could never hit him and giving a combo if you dared to press a button. And most importantly the strength of Khameleon is not mainly availability, it's the fact that every disguise is broken, jade glaive is the best free fuck neutral tool in the game, Kitana lift saves you ON HIT so it's similar to Stryker bombs, plus gives everyone conversions, ball roll is the best kameo wakeup, gives every character a launching 50/50 and it's also the best ambush in the game, so much so that poke into special is real with ball roll because it starts in 18 frames and most pokes cancel advantage is around 10 frames. Availability is crucial, but some nerfs happened not because the moves were seen too often, it's because they were too strong for how often you could use them, compared to the rest of the kameos
Frost isn't bad because of cooldowns, in fact she has quick cooldowns for everything except the orb I believe. She's bad because there's always another kameo that does what she does but better
Tom doesn't understand this nor does he care. He just wants characters to be as broken and unbalanced as possible because he's washed and needs broken shit like pre nerf cyrax and Raiden to carry him
the reason the typical assist gameplay is boring in this game is because the game is slow asf and the assists slow it down even more. games like mvc and dbfz are fast so it feels way less cumbersome.
YEAH Capcom games are insane with screen shakinf and everything. This game has very little crazy things like that and when they do they water it down more
That's true. This tempo would be fine in a 1v1 ( not my preference but it's fine), but the assists are so weird here. Half the time it feels like, why is that a summon?
@@hannibalbarca8106 not really. I think the kameo system is what makes MK1 terrible, so if they go back to just 1-on-1, then i would like it. Just my preference tho.
I think the biggest thing with MK specifically is the chip damage. You can’t have an assist fighter where characters have insane pressure and are always safe while also having them dealing chip damage. Raiden/Baraka/scorpion and just do crazy chip for free essentially
Peacemaker nerf was a irresponsible choice that forcefield wasn’t an issue Peacemaker is one of the most punishable characters on the game now the move it’s useless
One idea could be to keep the cooldowns short across the board while giving you a pushblock so you're not getting locked down all day. I don't know who's bright idea it was to have an assist based game with no pushblock, but that would prevent a lot of bs on it's own. Combos using assists would scale heavily to compensate, too. There would also have to be more of a penalty to your kameo getting hit like increased cooldown or losing meter so there's more risk to spamming it. It's not a perfect solution. There's a lot wrong with MK1, but I think this would at least make it more engaging without requiring a massive rework.
Pushblock would destroy this game. Ever played Hulk in MvC3? At a casual level, he's almost unplayable because he has no options to stop pushblock. After a long struggle to gain any space, hulk gets pushed out for even attempting to play the game. Now you might counter argument with the fact that most other characters have the tools to beat it. And you're correct, but in MK1 everyone would be hulk. There are very few characters that have moves that can maintain pressure after a pushblock. A good defensive mechanic should have a proper offensive counter, or be tied to a very limited resource. You could add metered pushblock, but other than that the game would be entirely poke -> special
The simple fact they had to nerf peacemaker 3 times in a span of less then 2 months is incredible to me n not touch Havoc at all 😂,its almost like alot of favoritism is happening, giving new moves n strings to 3 characters out the whole cast 🤔🧐
MK11's assist mechanic had the Kameos move seperately from the main character (doesn't matter the situation if you were getting hit or doing your own moves). It wasn't turned based. That is the big difference. Basically the Kameo and Main Character should be able to controll separately.
I actually think variations were pretty great, and I think MK11 could have been a really good game if they'd made some changes instead of abandoning it. But I guess this is gonna be the NRS cycle, release a bad game and eventually turn it into a mediocre game, rinse and repeat.
I commented this same thing a few videos back. Clearly define move types for kameos and then have separate cool-downs for each move type. That to me seems like the easiest, most simple, and user friendly option. And instantly speeds the game up without it being the same move being spammed 🤷🏻♂️
NRS should make the game be playable without the kameos and instead add a (kameo mode) and we’ll see if people will be playing it at all , then they will know that nobody wanted the kameos , literally who ever thought of kameos needs to get fired and start a new job at mcdonald’s
It won't happen, because they tried to sell the product based on this awful system. If it somehow could happen, it would only be at the very end of the game's support cycle, when no one who was there at the start, is still paying attention. Think of it like the #Sꞇꭤꭑꓒꬲꭑוֹꞇ of the past few years: Everyone with a room temperature I. Q. knows full well that they dun goofed; and because of the very fact that everyone knows this, they cannot now come out and admit to what everyone already knows, because it risks undermining trust. NRS are the "government" and "regulatory" bodies of the MK1, and for them to come out and effectively admit that they screwed up the game with the very feature they promoted it with, would undermine trust in the company, and in a way that may not be able to recover from. As such, they will go on ignoring the obvious; and their shills will lurch along in a "hypernormal" state, like nothing was ever wrong in the first place. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@shoahkhan5670 well said, i personally think the only way NRS could survive this mess is by releasing a new MK game asap built on unreal engine 5 better atmosphere and everything , which is not possible right? meaning they’re doomed lol they literally can’t do anything that’ll make this game they call mk1 balanced or good , cuz it’s nothing but a rushed cheap micro-transaction based product . ggs Nethertard ggs
Variations and Kameos are like that bag of chips that look bigger but simply got more empty space in it. Its all about product shrinking coupled with the illusion that you got more than before. Pure late stage capitalism.
Its like if someone who doesn't know how to cook is trying to bake a cake, but changing everything each time, using a bunch of things that people like, but doesn't makes sense in this dish, like bacon and salmon.
I can't argue against that this assist fighter system is its own beast; it's not the same as the rest, and it can be improved. Thanks for the video, Tom.
What they need to do is give the characters more things to do while the kameos are on cooldown ergo buff the characters so they can stand on their own 2 legs without constantly thinking about kameos
I think they could try to make some kameos cooldown based, while others are based on damage taken, or blocked hits, or something more dynamic. Making all the kameo conditions the same is what the main problem is. In general, I think they should make the kameos have different (but reasonable) conditions to be met to come back faster, or something.
All they should do is split the kameo moves, so each move has its own cool down. That way players will use all moves, and not being punished for using "good" moves by not being able to use anything
It's likely what the Injustice 3 that MK1 started life as, was going to be -- a more refined MvC with DC characters. However, due to the cancellation of Justice League 2, WB, in their infinitely lobotomised state, forced NRS to shift to another MK in the middle of Ij3's development. Thus, you have all the asset-flips and superhero-y tropes that will now go on to define MK1.
@@Rodniikun to answer your question we had cyrax which was a typical assist if he was in marvel vs capcom yet the mk community cried for him to be killed.
@@Rodniikun Officially confirmed and/or confirm by logic: 1. The game began as a "new Injustice game" (Ed Boon). 2. The game was "re-purposed" to be a new MK game, because WB needed a new product by a strict deadline, after the "new Injustice game" was cancelled, and it would have taken "two more years" to finish the superhero game they began working on (Ed Boon); the half-baked nature of the game smacks of a development process that was begun late. 3. The Injustice game was almost certainly cancelled because of Justice League 2's cancellation (WB always cross-promote, as they did with Ij2 and JL in 2017). 4. The game is filled with Injustice asset flips (the pre-fight forearm clash = "Clash" animation); obvious templates (Player-2 local cannot use unlocked content, just as in Ij2, and _unlike_ in MK11); DLC nonsensical for an MK game (Peacemaker, Homelander); lazily implemented tropes which are staple for comic book narratives ("timeline retcon"); ancillary game modes which would have been _slight_ improvements from and/or logical changes to Injustice 2's "Multiverse", instead of a massive step backwards from the "Krypt" _(throwing out a mode as elaborate as the Krypt, could only have been done because the game wasn't going to be "MK12");_ assists. 5. MK1 is the first MK to come out in succession since the DC games were introduced (MKvDCU > MK9 > Injustice > MKX > Ij2 > MK11... MK1). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I honestly want more combo options and set ups. Nrs screwed Strykers moveset up in stead of having 2 moves that are pretty much the same. Scrap that and give him his roll move from mk9. It would be like a come here move against zoners or something. Cyrax instead of spinning like a helcopter he can throw bombs out or his anti air throw you can kombo of that. Sub zero kameo can get a ground freeze setup move. Darrius could be the ultimate tag team partner give him more kombo extentions and enders. Idk why jax doesnt have his Gotcha grab. And Nightwolf would be just a cool addition to the kameo system. So many different movesets.
This game would’ve been so much better if they made it a 2v2 and each character had different moves that fast switch them and stuff like they did in MK9 the game would’ve been so much cooler.
Imo they just should have added tagged like literally the whole community was asking for! Assist just doesn’t work for the way this game plays! It’s not fast enough of a game to have assist characters! If anything they should have made this a mode! I was ranking really high in KL a couple days ago and was trying to get footage for my channel but just ended up uninstalling the game again cause I just kept running into spammers who run away the whole match, use kameos to keep distance and just spam projectiles! It’s not a skill issue at all it’s just straight up bs! If the next game has kameos it will be the first MK I’m not getting! If I do get it I definitely won’t preorder!
Its weird because characters like Ermac and Peacemaker, all the DLC characters really, feel pretty fun, while other characters like Sub-Zero feel straight out of MK11
All these kameo nerfs are justified, this "kameo for safety on block" shit will never be perfect and I can't wait for the game to be nerfed to unplayable. In mkx plus frames cost so much effort and resources (and if your ass wasn't careful, a simple poke can take all that away), look at mk1, a safe low/overhead plus on block mix just at the touch of a single button. Wtf
Although I did like the variations bc u could choose your play style for your specific fighter. I really wanted tag mode back. Think about having your favorite 2 pair up with tag in moves like they did on mk9. In addition to having 4 players play team battles! 2v2 was always fun. Mk11 > MK1 still better IMO but mk1 still fun to play NGL
I think they should go more crazy with the kameos but saying it should "play like an assist game" is a moot point because not all games need to be played the same.
Simple. Rework Kano ball, Cyrax horizontal helicopter, Stryker grenades, Goro punch to something else completely different. Giving unsafe moves priority is not a good design for this game and it will always be meta. It was a cool idea but it doesn't work.
I honestly think they tried to make a game to special being first on the new generation. One thing that always made MK games great was they knew who they were they gave you that and then added side things Around it . They would of been better off making the primary tag if they wanted to have a 2v2’esq situation going on because at least then everything is easier to regulate because you can’t hit 1 button and have all these advantages added you have to control it. Assist games work in chaotic style games like MVC because the premier is that action is all over the place all the time. Games like MK, SF, and Tekken are better as 1v1 or tag formats because it’s not that same style chaotic gameplay going on they are meant to be more input ground based combo situation type fighters
Unlike most Who just want 1 v 1 back.. I like the idea of the Kameo system. If it were done correctly; that would be great. It's a great way to keep characters in the game that maybe didn't deserve full move sets. As if any character besides Ermac is full. They seem Lazy over there at NRS. I have No issue with things they decide; but do it right. I wish I were smarter; I'd do all the work for 1/3 the $$. Plenty of ideas in my head; but it wouldnt get listened to anyway
The irony of MKX's much maligned "Variations", in retrospect, being the best of the ability customisation systems NeverRightSolutions has barfed up, should not be lost on anyone...
@@intellectic9155😂 look around guy most the community don't like the kameo. Yall acting like buffing and adding new moves is impossible is not like they already prove they can add it with the recent patch
i want a brand new AAA fighting game on the level of the big three what happened to mk1, sf6 and tekken 8 is what happens when only three franchises hold the monopoly on the genre i wish a brand new big budget blockbuster fighting game not beholden to an existing I.P would come out to shake things up.
Nrs definitely has an identity crisis with mk. The variation system worked for mkx with its much faster gameplay and longer more open combos. Obviously it didn't translate to the clunky handcuffed mk11. I wouldn't hate it if they went back to variations as long as they dont screw it. Up with the attempt to make them customized. Just stick with pre-made ones and lean into it. and make the gameplay fast and open again like 9 and X. Or if they don't ever make another injustice just adopt the character gimmicks from there. It would make characters feel more complete like Johnny and kenshi
One of my biggest frustrations with the game is spamming. I know spamming is a thing but with Sereena..it’s damn near impossible to fight. Lui Kang/ Sareena is just freaking stupid and I don’t know how to fight against it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I feel like I’ve tried everything minus just deleting the game.
Games whose gameplay promotes spamming of limited attacks, by definition, are boring and broken. That is to say, if a game has gameplay variety and the tools for getting around potential spamming, spamming will not exists -- i.e., people just would not do it, because it would not be effective. So, spamming is the veritable hallmark of a boring and broken game. _(NB: Projectile based 'fighting' games, such as DBZ Fighter or those Touhou fighters, notwithstanding.)_
I think the patch was great. But at the end of the day, a game like this is nearly impossible to balance. Just gota appreciate it for what it is, at least the base roster is pretty balanced. The kameos will never be balanced tho
hope the devs see your vid. mk1 is not mk 12. and 11 had UDC an lot of hype, i guees they need time now, however time they dont have i hope they do something fast anyw too ., ty for vid
You know what there answer to this video is nerfing Khameleon and make her unplayable like Cyrax now the game should be fixed right? I grantee you there gonna do it
MK1 failed right from the start, the whole system in what the game is based on is just meh or bad. The kameo is a half baked tag team, dude, that's the perfect example to explain what MK1 is: a half baked game. NRS and WB didn't even bother to try to make a full content game, they just saw how much money they did with MK11 (is even the higher selling fighting game franchise) so they went full mercenaries mode and just made the quickest game in order to keep capitalizing over the brand; the ones who pre-ordered it are the suckers and part of the problem, giving money because of hype
The question is: Why do you still care about this game? NRS made it clear that they dont give a shit about their MK consumers. The game sold A LOT, and thats it. Mission completed. Like it? Play it. Dont like? Too bad, thats MK1, see you in the next MK game!
I think they should have just went mk9 route as far as moveset (roster) type (no kameos) of course with updates to certain moves. Give us the mkx run mechanic and let every character from previous games be the best version of themselves. Kung Lao is so boring and overrated in this game. He is not fun to play without his spin and teleport and how tf does Lao kameo get used by other characters better than Lao
I don’t care what yall say I love MK11 they had the armor break and break away system and the crushing blows they had stage fatalities im done with MK1 it’s just not fun im good man im at peace with getting ripped off 🤬🤬🤬🤬
@@shoahkhan5670 like Mk11 had to gear system for customization great story mode the best DLC man that game was super under rated we had friendships the whole nine yards man
@@jaywalker3553 MK11 did many things right, except for its GAMEPLAY... And given this genre lives and dies by its gameplay, MK11 was soon forgotten. The best MK I can today conceive (relative to what NRS have proven that they can do), is MK9's "MK-iness" and roster + MKX's gameplay, stmosphere, "Variations", and char. select intros + MK11's content, char. designs and presentation - anything from MK1.
You’re dead on with this take, Tom. All the other issues with the game tbh I couldn’t give a shit about. It’s a PRETTY good game at this point, held back by the fact Kameos all got chains on, minus a chosen few. They need to make the game an assist game. I know the community is too dumb to understand assist games, but NRS needs to make the game the best it can be, and to do that they need to take the chains off of assists One thing though I think stuff like Cyrax forward copter and Sektor missle can exist every 8/12 sec. They just need to make startup longer and make “happy birthday” hurt a LOTTTT. Or, you know - SOMETHING like that. They can make it make sense I think. Being put in blockstun is not really that bad in this game - no real 50/50s with huge payoffs. Just take the throw. You can put me in blockstun every 8 seconds… and so too I will do it to you. Or if I really get annoyed at Sektor I can start picking Sub kameo. This sort of “kameo counterpicking” is something that early on in the game they sort of indicated they wanted to happen. But with Kameos being so shite that’s never going to happen with how the game is today
Hell no , mk been 1v1 for 30 years and there was no problem the minute they add assist with no other options is when the game is considered terrible. Look up polls on what the majority thinks about kameos you like them cool. But you don't speak for the majority
Same topic different video🤦🏽♂️ always comparing apples with oranges just stop talking about it and move on I hope NR just keep this game alive for years to come we do not want a broken game go play marvel if that’s what u want Jesus !!
@@RealMKTomBrady Tom...they invented something new...never before seen n a fighting game...n u want perfection...nothing new n fighting games isn't a mess...cmon
@@intellectic9155 wasn't a variation tho...each person had 3...that is 3 completely different fighters....u have to balance...u do the math...when mkx dropped you weren't like I've seen this before b real
@@dange8333I know you were born after the year 2000 lol. Variations are basically Isms from the Street Fighter Alpha series lol. That released in the 90s.
I hate how NRS tries to change every game. Just keep what works ffs
Forfuksakes😂😂😂
what works is 9 and X
@InTheKitchenWristStirFry yup mk11 was more street fighter then street fighter 5 mk10 was perfect
@@2gunzup07 theres somethings i’d like personally from other games but it needs to still be MK at the end of the day.
@@2gunzup07...well mk11 was not a bad game at all tbh...a bit slow but also very technical and really fun once you got into it...
Whats really fun is doing the same combo over and over and using the same move in the combo 3 times.
I assume this comment is sarcastic... Because I don't think it is "fun" at all doing the same things over and over in the same round LOL IMO 🤷🏽♂️🤣🤣
Fr like sub needs some more combo starters other than overhead or some type of punish into vapors and then do the same overhead combo
MK1 fans think poke poke poke is the best thing
"naaaahhh but the gameplay thooo" its for call of duty bros who dont even care about fighting games so dont wanna have anything to practice or think about really.
@@InTheKitchenWristStirFry poke back dash throw.
Cameos to me just feel like extra special moves. This game desperately needs a 1v1 mode with more special moves for each character.
Huh
I like how they just took the assists from the MK11 Towers of Time and just turned that into the main mechanic in this game. I feel they could’ve done a lot more with kameos or if not they should have just put in an actual tag mode
NRS: Nonsensical Regurgitated Sꜧוֹt
i think its safe to say the next MK wont have a kameo system
Only mk i actually rage quit after a win...
And yet. No one is still talking any of the other parts of a kameos kit. And still we are only using it for one move. They just need to make those things more usable in between moments of your "gameplan". Stryker's low and overhead needs to be something you want to actively use. Rather than what we have now.
The thing is, all of striker’s moves are amazing. He has bombs that can be used as a projectile or as extension, O/L mixups that are fast and safe and a restand. I don’t use him but I understand why others use him
@@binkl2844um clearly u don't. No one uses his grenades as projectiles or combo extensions. They use them to be safe or plus after they do something unsafe
Stryker needs no buffs I don’t want brain dead unsafe move being made safe with Stryker every time for the love of god NO
@@DorkLord69 extension is a broad term. You can extend block strings. No need to be condescending
@@Radi0Racc00n This is what I am talking about. He has other moves than grenade you know. Yet. No one is picking him for the kit he has. They are picking him, and he is not the only one guilty of this, for his grenades to make moves safe. Which, I am not saying they should take away. But, they need to make the options options something to look at.
Honestly should have stuck to 1on1 fighters or maybe a tag system, MK doesnt fit the Assist game world.
Not with whoever is in charge of the rest of the design for gameplay and character balance. Everything else in the game seems to rage against the idea of an assist based game....also against fun in general
The expression "shifting deckchairs on the Titanic" comes to mind...
Base characters need to do more before we start changing the kameos.
yep, the kameos make the characters whole when they should already be whole but have the kameo twist
@InTheKitchenWristStirFry yep kameos should enhance what your character does, but anyone below top 10 requires the kameos to plug some kind of massive design flaw. In the case of the bottom 5, the kameos don't even do that.
@@damionbaxter4912 its advertised as a bonus, yet some characters need it like their lives depend on it
@InTheKitchenWristStirFry and why people don't see it bothers me. The characters need to be completed before kameos can even be discussed. Like how is sektor bad when no character compliments sektor yet.
The characters feel so half baked and limited with what they can do
they should just made a characters complete without cameos and the cameos should be just an additional moves extra shot extra hit extra buff smth like this not this crazy cyrax move that do everything
NRS problem is they try to reinvent the wheel everytime, instead of using the previous one and improve in the next one, noo
Yeah...mkx had the perfect engine and base to build a really good game tbh...it is sad they scrapped that...I felt they could have literally built a masterpiece on top of that...
@@remarkableputter6622facts! It actually feels current-gen today.
@@remarkableputter6622 Im not a MK fan but i can see people wanted a MK X gamplay style with MK1 Art Style
@@aryferreira2375 ...naah.. I much prefer the art style of mkx and mk11...
For me personally all I’d want from this game is the tag mode, more in depth characters, more skins, and more ambush kameos
Nope you’re asking for too much I keep asking they keep spitting in my face 😂
@@koopaklipz 😂😂 yea you’d think all of tht should’ve been in base game 😭 but it’s too much to ask for fr
@@88perky I feel like I’m doing the same 💩 over and over again it’s annoying
Stryker cooldown is fine. I don’t think anyone wants to have to hold infinite block pressure against baraka. Already hate that crap just like sento pressure
Tom I think you're partially wrong about the availability thing. Yes availability is extremely important for a kameo but I feel you're mixing things up. Cyrax wasn't the best because of availability, it was because he gave everyone an on-command on-reaction ambush that allowed looping pressure and also did insane chip damage, as well as let you get a combo.
The problem with Stryker wasn't availability, it was how he baited you into taking your turn coming from behind the point character so you could never hit him and giving a combo if you dared to press a button.
And most importantly the strength of Khameleon is not mainly availability, it's the fact that every disguise is broken, jade glaive is the best free fuck neutral tool in the game, Kitana lift saves you ON HIT so it's similar to Stryker bombs, plus gives everyone conversions, ball roll is the best kameo wakeup, gives every character a launching 50/50 and it's also the best ambush in the game, so much so that poke into special is real with ball roll because it starts in 18 frames and most pokes cancel advantage is around 10 frames.
Availability is crucial, but some nerfs happened not because the moves were seen too often, it's because they were too strong for how often you could use them, compared to the rest of the kameos
Frost isn't bad because of cooldowns, in fact she has quick cooldowns for everything except the orb I believe. She's bad because there's always another kameo that does what she does but better
Tom doesn't understand this nor does he care. He just wants characters to be as broken and unbalanced as possible because he's washed and needs broken shit like pre nerf cyrax and Raiden to carry him
@@DorkLord69he peaked in mk9 and has complained about every mk since.
HECTOR SEEKING MISSILE 😂
the reason the typical assist gameplay is boring in this game is because the game is slow asf and the assists slow it down even more. games like mvc and dbfz are fast so it feels way less cumbersome.
YEAH Capcom games are insane with screen shakinf and everything. This game has very little crazy things like that and when they do they water it down more
That's true. This tempo would be fine in a 1v1 ( not my preference but it's fine), but the assists are so weird here. Half the time it feels like, why is that a summon?
Yeah the system mechanics of the game in general doesn't help this game at all
I just want this game to die off already and start on the next iteration of MK.
I agree 💯%!!!!
There won’t be another mk for a while now there gonna work on injustice 3 first
Next MK you’ll say the same thing
@@hannibalbarca8106 not really. I think the kameo system is what makes MK1 terrible, so if they go back to just 1-on-1, then i would like it. Just my preference tho.
if it ends up being mediocre just like this one @@hannibalbarca8106
Only thing mk1 needs is a push block
I miss custom variations that was the best idea
The next game they will just get rid of kameos watch lol
I think the biggest thing with MK specifically is the chip damage. You can’t have an assist fighter where characters have insane pressure and are always safe while also having them dealing chip damage. Raiden/Baraka/scorpion and just do crazy chip for free essentially
Nobody likes asist in MK🤷♂️Nobody ask for it, i would prefer the variation system from MKX
It's all the nerfs.
Peacemaker nerf was a irresponsible choice that forcefield wasn’t an issue Peacemaker is one of the most punishable characters on the game now the move it’s useless
Ikr, they just don’t want to adapt and find other ways to defeat Peacemaker
peacemaker was bound to have a nerf anyways LMAO he was to op because of damage and his forcefield can be spamable keep crying peacemaker mains
@@koopaklipzmy guy are you deadass?
@@DorkLord69just like this game?
One idea could be to keep the cooldowns short across the board while giving you a pushblock so you're not getting locked down all day. I don't know who's bright idea it was to have an assist based game with no pushblock, but that would prevent a lot of bs on it's own. Combos using assists would scale heavily to compensate, too. There would also have to be more of a penalty to your kameo getting hit like increased cooldown or losing meter so there's more risk to spamming it.
It's not a perfect solution. There's a lot wrong with MK1, but I think this would at least make it more engaging without requiring a massive rework.
Pushblock would destroy this game. Ever played Hulk in MvC3? At a casual level, he's almost unplayable because he has no options to stop pushblock. After a long struggle to gain any space, hulk gets pushed out for even attempting to play the game. Now you might counter argument with the fact that most other characters have the tools to beat it. And you're correct, but in MK1 everyone would be hulk. There are very few characters that have moves that can maintain pressure after a pushblock. A good defensive mechanic should have a proper offensive counter, or be tied to a very limited resource. You could add metered pushblock, but other than that the game would be entirely poke -> special
The simple fact they had to nerf peacemaker 3 times in a span of less then 2 months is incredible to me n not touch Havoc at all 😂,its almost like alot of favoritism is happening, giving new moves n strings to 3 characters out the whole cast 🤔🧐
MK11's assist mechanic had the Kameos move seperately from the main character (doesn't matter the situation if you were getting hit or doing your own moves). It wasn't turned based. That is the big difference. Basically the Kameo and Main Character should be able to controll separately.
I actually think variations were pretty great, and I think MK11 could have been a really good game if they'd made some changes instead of abandoning it. But I guess this is gonna be the NRS cycle, release a bad game and eventually turn it into a mediocre game, rinse and repeat.
Can't wait for Hektor the cyborg with a sombrero from the Lin Kuei to drop.
I commented this same thing a few videos back. Clearly define move types for kameos and then have separate cool-downs for each move type. That to me seems like the easiest, most simple, and user friendly option. And instantly speeds the game up without it being the same move being spammed 🤷🏻♂️
NRS should make the game be playable without the kameos and instead add a (kameo mode) and we’ll see if people will be playing it at all , then they will know that nobody wanted the kameos , literally who ever thought of kameos needs to get fired and start a new job at mcdonald’s
It won't happen, because they tried to sell the product based on this awful system. If it somehow could happen, it would only be at the very end of the game's support cycle, when no one who was there at the start, is still paying attention. Think of it like the #Sꞇꭤꭑꓒꬲꭑוֹꞇ of the past few years: Everyone with a room temperature I. Q. knows full well that they dun goofed; and because of the very fact that everyone knows this, they cannot now come out and admit to what everyone already knows, because it risks undermining trust. NRS are the "government" and "regulatory" bodies of the MK1, and for them to come out and effectively admit that they screwed up the game with the very feature they promoted it with, would undermine trust in the company, and in a way that may not be able to recover from. As such, they will go on ignoring the obvious; and their shills will lurch along in a "hypernormal" state, like nothing was ever wrong in the first place. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@shoahkhan5670 well said, i personally think the only way NRS could survive this mess is by releasing a new MK game asap built on unreal engine 5 better atmosphere and everything , which is not possible right? meaning they’re doomed lol they literally can’t do anything that’ll make this game they call mk1 balanced or good , cuz it’s nothing but a rushed cheap micro-transaction based product . ggs Nethertard ggs
Variations and Kameos are like that bag of chips that look bigger but simply got more empty space in it. Its all about product shrinking coupled with the illusion that you got more than before. Pure late stage capitalism.
Excellent commentary, opinion and as always concise! 🙏
Its like if someone who doesn't know how to cook is trying to bake a cake, but changing everything each time, using a bunch of things that people like, but doesn't makes sense in this dish, like bacon and salmon.
All the worst Kameos have super slow moves and super long cooldowns. Speed it up NRS!
I can't argue against that this assist fighter system is its own beast; it's not the same as the rest, and it can be improved. Thanks for the video, Tom.
What they need to do is give the characters more things to do while the kameos are on cooldown ergo buff the characters so they can stand on their own 2 legs without constantly thinking about kameos
My main problem is I find it boring. Kameo system is boring. They need to implement a no kameo mode.
Then characters need a rework.
Like lao getting his moves back
if the issue is finding it boring it'll be 100x more boring with no kameos...
No, if I want to spend hours in Invasions or something, kameos get annoying and boring. If I could just play normal it would be fine. @@lotusbaby7556
There's no way a kameo-less mode makes this game _less_ boring, dude. I'm not sure you've thought that through.
Meanwhile the fgc is excited for the new assist game of Riot 2XKO while this one is getting ditched out to the bin.
I think nrs's main issue is their lack of communication.
I think they could try to make some kameos cooldown based, while others are based on damage taken, or blocked hits, or something more dynamic. Making all the kameo conditions the same is what the main problem is. In general, I think they should make the kameos have different (but reasonable) conditions to be met to come back faster, or something.
All they should do is split the kameo moves, so each move has its own cool down. That way players will use all moves, and not being punished for using "good" moves by not being able to use anything
They should add tag mode + kameos
All we want is 1v1 fight no kameos.
They need to just turn everything up make it a mvc type game
yeah
It's likely what the Injustice 3 that MK1 started life as, was going to be -- a more refined MvC with DC characters. However, due to the cancellation of Justice League 2, WB, in their infinitely lobotomised state, forced NRS to shift to another MK in the middle of Ij3's development. Thus, you have all the asset-flips and superhero-y tropes that will now go on to define MK1.
@@shoahkhan5670 is that all confirmed?
@@Rodniikun to answer your question we had cyrax which was a typical assist if he was in marvel vs capcom yet the mk community cried for him to be killed.
@@Rodniikun Officially confirmed and/or confirm by logic:
1. The game began as a "new Injustice game" (Ed Boon).
2. The game was "re-purposed" to be a new MK game, because WB needed a new product by a strict deadline, after the "new Injustice game" was cancelled, and it would have taken "two more years" to finish the superhero game they began working on (Ed Boon); the half-baked nature of the game smacks of a development process that was begun late.
3. The Injustice game was almost certainly cancelled because of Justice League 2's cancellation (WB always cross-promote, as they did with Ij2 and JL in 2017).
4. The game is filled with Injustice asset flips (the pre-fight forearm clash = "Clash" animation); obvious templates (Player-2 local cannot use unlocked content, just as in Ij2, and _unlike_ in MK11); DLC nonsensical for an MK game (Peacemaker, Homelander); lazily implemented tropes which are staple for comic book narratives ("timeline retcon"); ancillary game modes which would have been _slight_ improvements from and/or logical changes to Injustice 2's "Multiverse", instead of a massive step backwards from the "Krypt" _(throwing out a mode as elaborate as the Krypt, could only have been done because the game wasn't going to be "MK12");_ assists.
5. MK1 is the first MK to come out in succession since the DC games were introduced (MKvDCU > MK9 > Injustice > MKX > Ij2 > MK11... MK1). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Never played an "assist" game that didn't have a tag mode attached to it.
Literally Marvel vs Capcom.
And naruto ultimate ninja storm
I honestly want more combo options and set ups. Nrs screwed Strykers moveset up in stead of having 2 moves that are pretty much the same. Scrap that and give him his roll move from mk9. It would be like a come here move against zoners or something. Cyrax instead of spinning like a helcopter he can throw bombs out or his anti air throw you can kombo of that. Sub zero kameo can get a ground freeze setup move. Darrius could be the ultimate tag team partner give him more kombo extentions and enders. Idk why jax doesnt have his Gotcha grab. And Nightwolf would be just a cool addition to the kameo system. So many different movesets.
This game would’ve been so much better if they made it a 2v2 and each character had different moves that fast switch them and stuff like they did in MK9 the game would’ve been so much cooler.
Imo they just should have added tagged like literally the whole community was asking for! Assist just doesn’t work for the way this game plays! It’s not fast enough of a game to have assist characters! If anything they should have made this a mode! I was ranking really high in KL a couple days ago and was trying to get footage for my channel but just ended up uninstalling the game again cause I just kept running into spammers who run away the whole match, use kameos to keep distance and just spam projectiles! It’s not a skill issue at all it’s just straight up bs! If the next game has kameos it will be the first MK I’m not getting! If I do get it I definitely won’t preorder!
LMFAO THE SELF REPORT
@@watcher99999 u wanna elaborate?
Ive said this many times but I absolutely hate that MK is not the legacy game and Injustice is. It makes no sense.
I do feel like the Kameo system was s cop out for what the variation system was supposed to be
Its weird because characters like Ermac and Peacemaker, all the DLC characters really, feel pretty fun, while other characters like Sub-Zero feel straight out of MK11
Yeah, it’s kinda why I’ve enjoyed injustice a little bit more cause they just improved on the system instead of having each game being different.
All these kameo nerfs are justified, this "kameo for safety on block" shit will never be perfect and I can't wait for the game to be nerfed to unplayable.
In mkx plus frames cost so much effort and resources (and if your ass wasn't careful, a simple poke can take all that away), look at mk1, a safe low/overhead plus on block mix just at the touch of a single button. Wtf
Although I did like the variations bc u could choose your play style for your specific fighter. I really wanted tag mode back. Think about having your favorite 2 pair up with tag in moves like they did on mk9. In addition to having 4 players play team battles! 2v2 was always fun. Mk11 > MK1 still better IMO but mk1 still fun to play NGL
I read the title really quickly and thought you hated the faces lol
im just gonna keep playing Quan Chi/Sektor, all I do is set up zoning traps with skulls, portals and missiles
its very fun
Make almost all assists cool downs universal at 5 - 7 seconds. No more than that and no less
I think they should go more crazy with the kameos but saying it should "play like an assist game" is a moot point because not all games need to be played the same.
This is only an issue at the high competitive level.
Simple. Rework Kano ball, Cyrax horizontal helicopter, Stryker grenades, Goro punch to something else completely different. Giving unsafe moves priority is not a good design for this game and it will always be meta. It was a cool idea but it doesn't work.
I honestly think they tried to make a game to special being first on the new generation. One thing that always made MK games great was they knew who they were they gave you that and then added side things Around it . They would of been better off making the primary tag if they wanted to have a 2v2’esq situation going on because at least then everything is easier to regulate because you can’t hit 1 button and have all these advantages added you have to control it. Assist games work in chaotic style games like MVC because the premier is that action is all over the place all the time. Games like MK, SF, and Tekken are better as 1v1 or tag formats because it’s not that same style chaotic gameplay going on they are meant to be more input ground based combo situation type fighters
The kameo is a mis opportunity they should have way more utility even 1 or two combo string of their own
Unlike most Who just want 1 v 1 back..
I like the idea of the Kameo system.
If it were done correctly; that would be great. It's a great way to keep characters in the game that maybe didn't deserve full move sets. As if any character besides Ermac is full. They seem Lazy over there at NRS.
I have No issue with things they decide; but do it right. I wish I were smarter; I'd do all the work for 1/3 the $$. Plenty of ideas in my head; but it wouldnt get listened to anyway
The irony of MKX's much maligned "Variations", in retrospect, being the best of the ability customisation systems NeverRightSolutions has barfed up, should not be lost on anyone...
All I want from this game is proper 1v1 and proper TAG, and most important kameos removed
1v1 makes this game even worse, guy. You could try thinking about things before repeating them.
@@intellectic9155😂 look around guy most the community don't like the kameo. Yall acting like buffing and adding new moves is impossible is not like they already prove they can add it with the recent patch
Should try playing this online in Australia.. everyone is a masher and toxic.. no kasusl games
Why won't they just hire you? I want to play Tom Brady's MK.
Cause he sucks
i want a brand new AAA fighting game on the level of the big three what happened to mk1, sf6 and tekken 8 is what happens when only three franchises hold the monopoly on the genre i wish a brand new big budget blockbuster fighting game not beholden to an existing I.P would come out to shake things up.
Nrs definitely has an identity crisis with mk. The variation system worked for mkx with its much faster gameplay and longer more open combos. Obviously it didn't translate to the clunky handcuffed mk11. I wouldn't hate it if they went back to variations as long as they dont screw it. Up with the attempt to make them customized. Just stick with pre-made ones and lean into it. and make the gameplay fast and open again like 9 and X. Or if they don't ever make another injustice just adopt the character gimmicks from there. It would make characters feel more complete like Johnny and kenshi
Can we please give my boy Tremor a new skin im doing opti combos on a regular bases for %53 & %47%
Make all kameo’s ambushes
One of my biggest frustrations with the game is spamming. I know spamming is a thing but with Sereena..it’s damn near impossible to fight. Lui Kang/ Sareena is just freaking stupid and I don’t know how to fight against it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I feel like I’ve tried everything minus just deleting the game.
multiple characters can teleport into a full combo. if all they do is spam its pretty punishable.
Games whose gameplay promotes spamming of limited attacks, by definition, are boring and broken. That is to say, if a game has gameplay variety and the tools for getting around potential spamming, spamming will not exists -- i.e., people just would not do it, because it would not be effective. So, spamming is the veritable hallmark of a boring and broken game. _(NB: Projectile based 'fighting' games, such as DBZ Fighter or those Touhou fighters, notwithstanding.)_
@@shoahkhan5670 maybe they just spam against you and not me must be different player base not the player getting spammed idk
Spamming only works and gets you so far you really need to just hit practice and figure out counters then spammers will just be a easy W
@@geraldjohnson8814 I don't play MK1.
I think the patch was great. But at the end of the day, a game like this is nearly impossible to balance. Just gota appreciate it for what it is, at least the base roster is pretty balanced. The kameos will never be balanced tho
Breakers shouldnt be 3 mf bars, where is escape rolls???, EFFECTIVE wake up attacks, attacks on perfect block… must i go on
the real problem is their dei and agenda.
Tell NRS to not make assist games no more ok?
(Ps. ppoke ppoke ppoke ppoke, my turn your turn, oh got my turn back, now your turn.)
hope the devs see your vid. mk1 is not mk 12. and 11 had UDC an lot of hype, i guees they need time now, however time they dont have i hope they do something fast anyw too ., ty for vid
Am i the only one that cant stand when your main poses at the end of a match with the out of place kameo
Mk1 is bipolar
that was like when Qian cheee release and now it's dead
I main frost with Johnny nd I can say this not true she is very available
You know what there answer to this video is nerfing Khameleon and make her unplayable like Cyrax now the game should be fixed right? I grantee you there gonna do it
Just remove kameos done
The Kameo system is such spam nonsense. Get it out of MK games.
nah the main issue is the terrible zero impact superhero physics
Buff frost & goro
Unless they completely rework the game, mk1 will die. The thing is that I already know they're never going to
Should've concentrated on game mechanics more instead of the character designer's obvious open toes shoe foot fetish
MK1 failed right from the start, the whole system in what the game is based on is just meh or bad. The kameo is a half baked tag team, dude, that's the perfect example to explain what MK1 is: a half baked game. NRS and WB didn't even bother to try to make a full content game, they just saw how much money they did with MK11 (is even the higher selling fighting game franchise) so they went full mercenaries mode and just made the quickest game in order to keep capitalizing over the brand; the ones who pre-ordered it are the suckers and part of the problem, giving money because of hype
The question is: Why do you still care about this game? NRS made it clear that they dont give a shit about their MK consumers. The game sold A LOT, and thats it. Mission completed. Like it? Play it. Dont like? Too bad, thats MK1, see you in the next MK game!
This game is just a mess. Biggest disappointment in years for me gaming wise.
I think they should have just went mk9 route as far as moveset (roster) type (no kameos) of course with updates to certain moves. Give us the mkx run mechanic and let every character from previous games be the best version of themselves. Kung Lao is so boring and overrated in this game. He is not fun to play without his spin and teleport and how tf does Lao kameo get used by other characters better than Lao
I don’t care what yall say I love MK11 they had the armor break and break away system and the crushing blows they had stage fatalities im done with MK1 it’s just not fun im good man im at peace with getting ripped off 🤬🤬🤬🤬
MK11 had decent ideas, poorly implemented. MKX had poor ideas implemented better than they had the right to be. MK1 is just poor all 'round.
@@shoahkhan5670 like Mk11 had to gear system for customization great story mode the best DLC man that game was super under rated we had friendships the whole nine yards man
@@jaywalker3553 injustice 2 has all that plus better customization
@@jaywalker3553 MK11 did many things right, except for its GAMEPLAY... And given this genre lives and dies by its gameplay, MK11 was soon forgotten. The best MK I can today conceive (relative to what NRS have proven that they can do), is MK9's "MK-iness" and roster + MKX's gameplay, stmosphere, "Variations", and char. select intros + MK11's content, char. designs and presentation - anything from MK1.
@@just_2swift yea but mk11 had multiple intros and outros dude better taunts you could unlock it’s not even close man 😎
You’re dead on with this take, Tom. All the other issues with the game tbh I couldn’t give a shit about. It’s a PRETTY good game at this point, held back by the fact Kameos all got chains on, minus a chosen few. They need to make the game an assist game. I know the community is too dumb to understand assist games, but NRS needs to make the game the best it can be, and to do that they need to take the chains off of assists
One thing though I think stuff like Cyrax forward copter and Sektor missle can exist every 8/12 sec. They just need to make startup longer and make “happy birthday” hurt a LOTTTT. Or, you know - SOMETHING like that. They can make it make sense I think. Being put in blockstun is not really that bad in this game - no real 50/50s with huge payoffs. Just take the throw. You can put me in blockstun every 8 seconds… and so too I will do it to you. Or if I really get annoyed at Sektor I can start picking Sub kameo. This sort of “kameo counterpicking” is something that early on in the game they sort of indicated they wanted to happen. But with Kameos being so shite that’s never going to happen with how the game is today
Hell no , mk been 1v1 for 30 years and there was no problem the minute they add assist with no other options is when the game is considered terrible. Look up polls on what the majority thinks about kameos you like them cool. But you don't speak for the majority
Honestly cant believe people are still trying to play this game. There's a formula to win and if you stray from that formula you lose. Why play this?
Why are you just talking about gamplay issues. MK1 has lore problems it's not like Mortal Kombat.
Man it seems you just don't like the game. Don't wanna be that guy from the Internet but yeah
I find myself enjoying this game. I like watching it also. It does need some adjustments mage but for me, overall it's a good game.
@@jaxfan if you enjoy it that's all that matters 👍👍
_It's OK to be simple._ 👍👍
Same topic different video🤦🏽♂️ always comparing apples with oranges just stop talking about it and move on I hope NR just keep this game alive for years to come we do not want a broken game go play marvel if that’s what u want Jesus !!
I just hope this game die soon
Variations were game changing...wut is this guy talking about...he is click bait
yet still not done very well
Game changing? I don't think so. They had the same basic thing in the 3D era games w/ stances.
@@RealMKTomBrady Tom...they invented something new...never before seen n a fighting game...n u want perfection...nothing new n fighting games isn't a mess...cmon
@@intellectic9155 wasn't a variation tho...each person had 3...that is 3 completely different fighters....u have to balance...u do the math...when mkx dropped you weren't like I've seen this before b real
@@dange8333I know you were born after the year 2000 lol. Variations are basically Isms from the Street Fighter Alpha series lol. That released in the 90s.