@@mrmr8986 brass is fine, lots of plumbing fittings are brass. nickel is an unknown quantity as far as drinking water, however 40ml a day probably isnt going to kill you.
I am sure it makes incredible espresso and it does not take too much space like a regular espresso machine. But like you said, it cannot make milk drinks. It is selling at about USD566 in Singapore (and that's after a 26% discount!). Also, there are too many layers to wash every time after I brew coffee; too much a hassle for me. I would stick to my Moka Pot... 😃
@ lol true. Not daily. Almost daily I have an espresso after dinner. I did drop it just right on a tile floor and dent the bottom carafe thing but it still works fine
@@nikolausfroehlich6093 depends on your water. i dont have limescale issues, so i never have to clean the deep internals of the machine that require unscrewing the group head into component parts. (i did overheat once and had to replace seals in there, not fun.) Daily clean is tap the puck out, give the portafilter a rinse and a wipe, rinse the boiler. nothing crazy.
Have had my 9Barista for 2 and a half years now and use it daily. I don’t mind the daily ritual. I find clean up quite easy. After pouring my shot in 20-25 seconds I let the timer on the coffee weight run. I rinse it under water and leave it to drain, and get my coffee before the timer says 2 minutes. Then the coffee is at perfect drinking temperature.
@@crazywisdom2 depends. Most machines has a milk frother, but you don’t need to keep the machine on for 15-20 to wait for everything to heat up. One positive thing I guess with the 9Barista are that you need the hob and kitchen sink. That means the kitchen needs to be tidy before making coffee, so you need to do kitchen duty the before making coffee
As the only coffee drinker in the house and not wanting to have the clutter or demands of a traditional machine for one or two espressos a day, this is the ideal solution.
First off, your presentation sir, was amazing! A beautiful machine and yes I absolutely love the process of making espresso. I have an Breville Oracle Touch and have had it for several years. This may be my next purchase. You get what you pay for ❤
It is super-awesome. Who wouldn't want one? But it is hard for me to justify the expense because I just don't think I would use it much. I have my 2019 Gaggia Classic Pro in my personal coffee-corner. I have an inexpensive moka pot for the occasional road trip.
This is one of those items that I would want just because it is beautiful and geeky. It is not practical at all for my personal situation since I mainly drink flat whites and make cappuchino's for my Wife, but I still love it.
I look at this every year, and think to myself, "I deserve consistency." I think this years Christmas is going to be special. Also want it because I like camping a lot.
I owned this machine for almost 4 years now. definitely not a back-to-back brewer, but as long as puck-prep is done well, there aren't any much ways to fail and produces consistantly tasty shots (unlike some other more involved, simple brewers like Flair or the more entry level single boiler machines like Gaggia Classic). It's great if I want a simple workflow single brew machine just for myself. I use this when I'm brewing for myself. I use other brewers for guests.
I've had mine since the Covid-19 drama ended. I use it daily. As for the price, the money I saved by not going to the local coffee shop I could purchase a hundred 9Baristas and still not equal to the amount wasted yearly at the shop. Love my 9Barista espresso machine!
Have owned mine for a couple months, pull 4-6 shots daily, absolutely love it, I bought the naked portafilter, pro basket, and Bplus 53mm screen. I also have a nanofoam lithium for milk drinks, works awesome. Grinding with a kinu M47 classic the best grinder I’ll ever owned. I recommend this setup for every home barista, and you can take the whole setup in a small backpack or bag anywhere.
maaaan!!! thanks a lot, nanofoam is what I needed! I havent heard about this device and now I can setup my new espresso corner and make latte for my wife!
I think it is really cool. Just like my Flair and Picoproesso are cool. But as someone who almost never only pulls one shot at a time, they aren't practical. Thank you, as always, for sharing with us.
Very good review, thank you. Every review I’ve watched on this machine has been positive. Additionally the comments of ppl who are long term users (for a couple years) gives me confidence in the machine.
Thanks Tom! I had a pre - pressure release tab 9Barista and let it go when I discovered the Cafelat Robot. Other than the difficulty of opening the unit post espresso, my problem with it was that it doesn’t allow for playing with the parameters of pre - infusion, pressure and dosage. Also, after pouring, the espresso seemed to be too cool for my taste but that’s not really a big deal.
Not gonna lie, I am considering buying this after seeing three very positive reviews on this. I have very little space in my kitchen, so anything that would live permanently on the countertop is pretty much out immediately. I have a Bialetti that I use basically never, because I don't really like the flavor profile of what Bialettis make that much and for that meh outcome it's too finicky. With something that actually makes good espresso if done right, I'd be willing to put in the work to learn how to handle it correctly. And also as you said - it is a conversation piece. I won't say no to another opportunity to talk about coffee. I'd probably not use it daily, but at the very least weekly for a quiet saturday morning coffee.
People keep talking about price - despite my no longer owning it I still say it’s value for money. The design, the build quality and the fact that it’s manufactured in the UK justifies it IMO.
@@IvanGOrtolan Yes but it means: manufacturing in Europe rather than China... As an EU citizen, I do mine buying directly from China items that are sold 50 or 100% in Europe with vendor making easy margin and I do mine buying EU products made in EU even if (most of the time) paying 30 or 50% more. Talking of course about well made products, typically like such product that will be functional for decades.
@@IvanGOrtolan My phone is mass produced crap like all phone they are not luxury goods so it’s a bad example, as I said wealthy people buy British made goods because they have a high standard of quality.
I really love the design principle and the high grade engineering with which this was made. I also only generally make one or possibly two shots I don't do a lot of latte drinks and I like to make an espresso as a morning ritual. So there are many aspects of this machine that appeal to me. I really like the consistency that it allows for. The temperature and pressure are managed consistently by physical & chemical properties.
Thanks Tom for another great and honest video! It's definetly a cool designed machine. Mainly from a workflow perspective I will stick with my Picopresso for holidays/camping, which in taste is hardly beatable.
The nice thing about this is that like a Bialetti it only needs a heat source, whereas with the Picopresso you need an additional kettle. I'd say workflow is a bit nicer on this machine - fewer parts. But they both have their merit. The Picopresso is way bettter for hiking I have to say, due to its small size and weight.
Totally missed this review... for some reasons, this didn't pop in my feed. Most of your vids do so that's weird. Anyway, I really like mine because I do have a small kitchen and my partner doesn't like expresso so a simple dedica and this is a great compact setup for us :). I think you didn't mention it but dialing in a new coffee can be a pain in the beginning. All in all, I really like this machine but I wish they made a bigger version for people wanting to make expresso for two people at a time.
Tom I need your opinion please! I am about to purchase a grinder for gaggia classic evo pro. Was going to get miicoffee sd40s but am debating on preordering the DF54. Would you say it’s worth the wait to get flat burrs at the same price? Love ya Tom!
I own this and a Outin Nano with basket plus mod. This with the ims basket nails it in flavor better. Significantly better. It’s still a pricey unit but way cheaper than a Lelit Bianca or LMLM. I love its size. It’s smaller than the Outin.
Thanks for the review and I have a couple of questions. Does that burner plate work with a magnet and then work on induction stovetop. Does this require a lot of descaling?
the screen isnt there to keep your puck from falling out when upside-down, it will stay on its own. its there because there is a gap between where the pressurized water comes out and the puck. without the screen the puck gets eroded like a urinal cake. Sometimes when i've misplaced the screen i've cut a bit of coffee filter or even paper towel to protect the puck and it worked fine.
Can we replace that silicon gadget there in the middle for something else? Like paper. Or a metal thing? I find a bit weird to run boiling water into silicon stuff. Does someone knows if the bottom burns and ruins like moka’s coffee machines?
I am surprised that Breville did not think of this design. It would be perfect for the Australian market. The espresso would come out the “right” side when you are upside down.
Interesting concept. Lovely design and build quality. Are you making multiple shots and are you adverse to have having to clean something by taking it apart into several pieces. There's your catch. The cleaning isn't any more than many other contraptions to be honest... the Wacaco Nanopresso is pretty much the same process and number of steps as is a Bialetti moka pot, a French press isn't that far off either give or take one or two unscrewings.
The cleanup isn't bad, you just have to wait until it cools off a bit. So, making back to back for guests is not going to work very well. But otherwise, it's a very interesting unit, and makes good espresso.
I want to also clarify I use a 1:2 ratio. Golden Roast Honey Dark Roast Blend. A Kinu M47 Classic at 1.45 revs. Medium gas stove heat. It extracted right in at 35s. All of my dialing settings from the Outin nano basket plus were basically translating to the 9 barista.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Need to seek for your professional advice the 9barista material made by nickel plating is it harmful to our health if continuing using for brewing espresso? I am looking for a manual espresso maker, I am considering the Flair 58 and 9barista. Which you recommend for? Thanks in advance ❤
It'd be cool if it had a steam want too built in (I feel like there is a variant similar to the 9bar, but im not sure the name, but it comes with a way to steam milk). Then it'd possibly be one of the ultimate camping espresso "machines" .
Way too much hassle, yes i understand it’s brilliantly engineered, looks quite good, however one thing I’ve learned over the years with coffee is that simplicity for me is the key to enjoyment, less fretting with gear and more time exploring & enjoying the coffee.
I had a pretty bad experience with the 9Barista. The customer service through the company that distributes it here in Canada was simply terrible. They suggested my TimeMore manual grinder must've been the issue which was nonsense. I had to threaten taking them to small claims to get a refund. Anyone know of similar experiences where the internal components seize up causing steam to repeatedly shoot out the safety valve?
i love the concept, but i question with daily use how it will last as you said during cleaning its quite finnicky and takes time. pulling more than 1 shot probably quite an ordeal lol
Pulling two shots can be done very quickly (relatively). You just rinse it under cold tap water, release the pressure, then empty the portafilter and start over. Its not something you use to do it regularly, but if a friend stops by or you're camping together, its really not bad.
@@alexrichard486 yep, the only annoyance with the second shot is you have to boil water a second time. I hand grind anyway so i find a use for that time.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner how about grinder, I'm currently using the timemore c3. It has good results buy I'm lazy to handgrind, is there a good budget grinder machine out there right now?
It's a nice machine, interesting, but the price isn't justified because it's made in UK, as you told in the begining. For tje same price i got my La Pavoni machine, absolut beauty, nice looking and classic. I would love to have this one too, if was +- 200$ max. Thank you for presentation!
I'd say Flair 58+ has more potential for espresso, and you can experiment with it a lot. The 9Barista does make a very tasty shot, but you cannot really adjust the variables. Cheers!
I have had a 9Barista as my primary espresso machine for 3 years now. I find it unfair to assume that one would only buy it for the design. It certainly is a specialised machine but it delivers! I am the only coffee drinker in a family of tea drinkers. An espresso countertop machine needs a lot of real estate, 20 minutes to boil 2L of water… for one cup. A lever machine packs away small but the workflow, with the kettle, is such a pain! A Nespresso machine is the most convenient (I had one prior to the 9Barista) but the bean choices are more limited. The 9Barista only makes one cup at a time but when friends want coffee, I offer filter. A Nanofoamer works great for milk drinks. The 9Barista is also limiting at times (it does not like light roast, the 53mm filter offers less options than the ubiquitous 58mm) but the workflow is actually quite good (not that dissimilar to a Bialetti), it stores in a drawer and it makes good espresso.
Thanks for your thoughtful post, and sharing your use case. In such a situation, this does tick all the boxes, you're right. And no matter what, it's always a great conversation starter.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner It also really REALLY shines during car-camping trips. Whipping up an espresso on the whisperlite during a 3am alpine-start is incredible.
I’m with (most) everyone else. I love its Steampunk design aesthetic and how clever it is. But espresso for me will never be a “one and done” thing and I do need milk steaming. That said, if I was single, lived in a really small place (like a typical urban European flat) and drank my espresso black… As it is, I live in Canada, with my wife and 2 young adult kids, we all like cappuccino’s and have a kitchen that’s the better part of 40 square metres.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I wish! Actually, we don’t even have an espresso machine yet. Our cappuccinos are made with a Bialetti Moka Express and a Braun “espresso maker” for the steam. I call the “Moka-ccinos.” The latter was from my mother in law who’d owned it for long enough, that she couldn’t remember how long she had it. When I first started looking at it, I thought that (at best) it was one of those super cheap, all plastic espresso machines that you can buy with pressurized baskets, 20-bar pumps, etc. Then I got the basket out of the portafilter and it was single wall. I got super excited. But then I pulled it apart. No pump. It operates off of steam pressure, so it’s essentially a 4-cup, electric moka pot, shaped like an espresso machine, with a steam wand. It actually makes OK moka pot style coffee. The wand hangs off the side and is stationary. It has this weird end on it. It’s not a pinarello. It’s plastic, shaped like a gravity bomb with its nose cut off. It is removable, but you can’t steam milk without it, as the bare wand’s hole is too big. Pity. But it does do a better job than separately heating and frothing milk with either a French press or one of those spinny-whisky-thingys. I essentially use it as a self heating Bellman Steamer. Inside it’s super basic. No electronics, hardly any wiring; just a thermostat controller (I assume) to keep the boiler from over heating, which is nice. I couldn’t find the thermostat when I pulled it apart (I wasn’t really looking, though), but you can hear the machine cycle on and off when the power is on. I do need to pull it apart again and replace a seal or two as the wand is starting to leak.
The idea that a milk drink needs to be made with steamed milk is a little silly to me. I use my rok almost daily, and I just add the esspresso to a mug or glass and top it off with cold chocolate almond milk. Simple and delicious even if it's not traditional.
Mechanical, civil, electrical or software doesn't matter: engineers are the salt of the Earth. (I'm a retired software engineer.) WRT the gadget, wouldn't touch it with a bargepole: too pricey, not versatile, essentially aimed at people who follow the lifestyle pages.
I love it. Would never buy it, especially at that price. Even if it was 1/3 of the price i wouldn't buy it. It looks to cumbersome to use and you only get 1 shot and then wait for it to cool enough to start cleaning and prepare for your next shot.
@TomsCoffeeCorner wow. I agree that it looks cool. Maybe a nice conversational piece. Nowadays, spending money on something because it looks cool is not an option for most. That money could be spent on something more practical. If anyone is a 1 shot and done type of person, then this turbo charged moka pot is right up their alley
Interesting design, but not practical. There is another design out of Thailand where someone has hacked the standard moka pot to make espresso similar to what you wold get from a fancy barista. I was lucky to try a few cups from the unit made by DAYPRESSO MACHIONI. Unfortunately, I could locate one for myself. The design is catching on. It is cheaply made and makes great quality espresso, similar to the 9Barista. I also wonder if the 9Barista isn't a knockoff of the one made in Thailand. But my point is that we should not have to pay $500 for the 9Barista.
im looking for anything like the valve system that allows the 9barista to reach high pressure and im not seeing it on the daypresso. they have no website or anything useful to look at though and this is a bot account name so im wasting my keystrokes here.
I was really interested in the 9Barista until I found out about the price. Sorry, but no. I would be willing to pay 100-200 Euros for it, but not more.
Unfortunately, this coffee maker has a boiler made of nickel-plated brass, and the nickel plating will peel off, sooner or later. They should have used stainless steel.
I am guessing that there are some patents filed on this machine. That being said, I’m not 100% sure, if Chinese companies observe those patents or not.
@@destructoooo what cost did you assign freedom, democracy & a rising standard of living ? ... Nothing, most likely... which is why the parasites of Wall St r about to help pay for the disaster of Globalization. Big time. 💰🤑☕😎
@@Naftoor You'll have to show me where nine bars of pressure is required for espresso. To my knowledge, it can be much less or much more, depending on your goals.
@@Naftoor if you'll recall, I never said a mokka pot was espresso. I'm just challenging the assumption that this other contraption is anything other than a slightly enhanced, overpriced pot
Thanks for watching! What do you think about this machine - worth it?
Nickel plated brass is terrible for your health.
It needs to be cast and machined out of stainless steel or aluminum.
@@mrmr8986 what alternative machines are good for on the road ?
@@mrmr8986 brass is fine, lots of plumbing fittings are brass. nickel is an unknown quantity as far as drinking water, however 40ml a day probably isnt going to kill you.
I am sure it makes incredible espresso and it does not take too much space like a regular espresso machine. But like you said, it cannot make milk drinks. It is selling at about USD566 in Singapore (and that's after a 26% discount!). Also, there are too many layers to wash every time after I brew coffee; too much a hassle for me. I would stick to my Moka Pot... 😃
@@Ally-p5b9u you only have to wash the basket and portafilter and wipe the top of the chamber. Takes 30 seconds.
I have had mine for close to four years. I use daily and still love it! It fits my needs perfectly
Did the machine change color, after all this time?
@@koi52970 no. Still looking and working great!
@schindlerific So you got yours on launch day and you've used it for 1200 days straight. That's highly unlikely. Reported.
@ lol true. Not daily. Almost daily I have an espresso after dinner. I did drop it just right on a tile floor and dent the bottom carafe thing but it still works fine
I admire the craftsmanship with which the espresso machine was made. In terms of workflow, I do have my doubts for daily use.
I use mine daily. But, it’s just one espresso. It’s to much hassle for multiple shots in a row in my experience
@@schindlerificHow annoying is the cleaning? That would be my only concern
I use mine daily also and have done for 2 years. Easy to clean. Agree though, it’s really a single per day machine.
@@nikolausfroehlich6093 depends on your water. i dont have limescale issues, so i never have to clean the deep internals of the machine that require unscrewing the group head into component parts. (i did overheat once and had to replace seals in there, not fun.) Daily clean is tap the puck out, give the portafilter a rinse and a wipe, rinse the boiler. nothing crazy.
@@nikolausfroehlich6093Easy, thirty seconds for the basket and portafilter. The rest is just hot water.
Have had my 9Barista for 2 and a half years now and use it daily. I don’t mind the daily ritual. I find clean up quite easy. After pouring my shot in 20-25 seconds I let the timer on the coffee weight run. I rinse it under water and leave it to drain, and get my coffee before the timer says 2 minutes. Then the coffee is at perfect drinking temperature.
Thanks for sharing! Have you had to descale in that time?
I descale once a year, I use Volvic bottled mineral water for the espresso.
Do you find the 9barista better than having an actual Machine ? thanks in advance.
@@crazywisdom2 depends. Most machines has a milk frother, but you don’t need to keep the machine on for 15-20 to wait for everything to heat up. One positive thing I guess with the 9Barista are that you need the hob and kitchen sink. That means the kitchen needs to be tidy before making coffee, so you need to do kitchen duty the before making coffee
As the only coffee drinker in the house and not wanting to have the clutter or demands of a traditional machine for one or two espressos a day, this is the ideal solution.
First off, your presentation sir, was amazing! A beautiful machine and yes I absolutely love the process of making espresso. I have an Breville Oracle Touch and have had it for several years. This may be my next purchase. You get what you pay for ❤
It is super-awesome. Who wouldn't want one? But it is hard for me to justify the expense because I just don't think I would use it much. I have my 2019 Gaggia Classic Pro in my personal coffee-corner. I have an inexpensive moka pot for the occasional road trip.
This is one of those items that I would want just because it is beautiful and geeky. It is not practical at all for my personal situation since I mainly drink flat whites and make cappuchino's for my Wife, but I still love it.
Exactly my thoughts.
I look at this every year, and think to myself, "I deserve consistency." I think this years Christmas is going to be special.
Also want it because I like camping a lot.
I owned this machine for almost 4 years now. definitely not a back-to-back brewer, but as long as puck-prep is done well, there aren't any much ways to fail and produces consistantly tasty shots (unlike some other more involved, simple brewers like Flair or the more entry level single boiler machines like Gaggia Classic). It's great if I want a simple workflow single brew machine just for myself. I use this when I'm brewing for myself. I use other brewers for guests.
I've had mine since the Covid-19 drama ended. I use it daily. As for the price, the money I saved by not going to the local coffee shop I could purchase a hundred 9Baristas and still not equal to the amount wasted yearly at the shop. Love my 9Barista espresso machine!
Have owned mine for a couple months, pull 4-6 shots daily, absolutely love it, I bought the naked portafilter, pro basket, and Bplus 53mm screen. I also have a nanofoam lithium for milk drinks, works awesome. Grinding with a kinu M47 classic the best grinder I’ll ever owned. I recommend this setup for every home barista, and you can take the whole setup in a small backpack or bag anywhere.
What's your grind setting for it with the kinu classic?
19g at 1.5 on kinu, perfect 5min with 25sec pull
maaaan!!! thanks a lot, nanofoam is what I needed! I havent heard about this device and now I can setup my new espresso corner and make latte for my wife!
I know its apples and oranges; but do you find that the 9barista is better than an actual machine ? I do like the
simplicity for what it is. thoughts?
EXCELLENT! More DF54 tests please!
I would love this for camping
I think it is really cool. Just like my Flair and Picoproesso are cool. But as someone who almost never only pulls one shot at a time, they aren't practical.
Thank you, as always, for sharing with us.
Very good review, thank you. Every review I’ve watched on this machine has been positive. Additionally the comments of ppl who are long term users (for a couple years) gives me confidence in the machine.
I mean, it is a cool machine that makes actual espresso. I think it would shine while camping. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorneryes for sure it would be awesome for camping or for any getaway to have coffee.
Thanks Tom! I had a pre - pressure release tab 9Barista and let it go when I discovered the Cafelat Robot. Other than the difficulty of opening the unit post espresso, my problem with it was that it doesn’t allow for playing with the parameters of pre - infusion, pressure and dosage. Also, after pouring, the espresso seemed to be too cool for my taste but that’s not really a big deal.
That would be great for camping! Imagine you could attach a steam wand to the exhausting steam to make fuzzy milk 🤌🏻
Not gonna lie, I am considering buying this after seeing three very positive reviews on this. I have very little space in my kitchen, so anything that would live permanently on the countertop is pretty much out immediately. I have a Bialetti that I use basically never, because I don't really like the flavor profile of what Bialettis make that much and for that meh outcome it's too finicky. With something that actually makes good espresso if done right, I'd be willing to put in the work to learn how to handle it correctly. And also as you said - it is a conversation piece. I won't say no to another opportunity to talk about coffee.
I'd probably not use it daily, but at the very least weekly for a quiet saturday morning coffee.
It's a ritual and a real showpiece as the coffee flows into the portafilter.
Everytime I'm reminded this machine is something I could purchase my credit card cries a little. I think this video is pushing me over the edge.
hats off for the great on the video. i love the machine i wonder why is it this expensive
People keep talking about price - despite my no longer owning it I still say it’s value for money. The design, the build quality and the fact that it’s manufactured in the UK justifies it IMO.
Built in the UK means nothing apart it's gonna cost more.
@@IvanGOrtolan Yes but it means: manufacturing in Europe rather than China... As an EU citizen, I do mine buying directly from China items that are sold 50 or 100% in Europe with vendor making easy margin and I do mine buying EU products made in EU even if (most of the time) paying 30 or 50% more. Talking of course about well made products, typically like such product that will be functional for decades.
@@IvanGOrtolanbuild in the uk means nothing 🤔😂, uk produced products are regarded world wide for quality and not being massed produced cheap crap.
@@Happytruth I bet your phone is produced in the UK, or maybe your CPU
@@IvanGOrtolan My phone is mass produced crap like all phone they are not luxury goods so it’s a bad example, as I said wealthy people buy British made goods because they have a high standard of quality.
Compared to a bialetti, is the taste far superior?
I really love the design principle and the high grade engineering with which this was made. I also only generally make one or possibly two shots I don't do a lot of latte drinks and I like to make an espresso as a morning ritual. So there are many aspects of this machine that appeal to me. I really like the consistency that it allows for. The temperature and pressure are managed consistently by physical & chemical properties.
Unique design , good for camping..
I enjoy coffee. It’s ppl where coffee is life that these are invented :) ❤ this would be great for espresso lovers when travelling~ 🙋🏻♀️
Thanks Tom for another great and honest video!
It's definetly a cool designed machine.
Mainly from a workflow perspective I will stick with my Picopresso for holidays/camping, which in taste is hardly beatable.
The nice thing about this is that like a Bialetti it only needs a heat source, whereas with the Picopresso you need an additional kettle. I'd say workflow is a bit nicer on this machine - fewer parts. But they both have their merit. The Picopresso is way bettter for hiking I have to say, due to its small size and weight.
Totally missed this review... for some reasons, this didn't pop in my feed. Most of your vids do so that's weird. Anyway, I really like mine because I do have a small kitchen and my partner doesn't like expresso so a simple dedica and this is a great compact setup for us :). I think you didn't mention it but dialing in a new coffee can be a pain in the beginning. All in all, I really like this machine but I wish they made a bigger version for people wanting to make expresso for two people at a time.
Tom I need your opinion please! I am about to purchase a grinder for gaggia classic evo pro. Was going to get miicoffee sd40s but am debating on preordering the DF54. Would you say it’s worth the wait to get flat burrs at the same price? Love ya Tom!
I’d wait for the 54 to be honest. It’s more intuitive to dial in for different methods, and it’s also more solid.
Thank you for getting back to me! Been pondering for weeks but just placed my pre order!
i like how the bgm ends when the shot was ready.
I think Beethoven would’ve wanted it that way, lol.
I own this and a Outin Nano with basket plus mod. This with the ims basket nails it in flavor better. Significantly better.
It’s still a pricey unit but way cheaper than a Lelit Bianca or LMLM. I love its size. It’s smaller than the Outin.
Thanks for the review and I have a couple of questions. Does that burner plate work with a magnet and then work on induction stovetop. Does this require a lot of descaling?
I think there's a different plate for the induction stoves. It does require descaling, like everything else too. Be sure to use filtered, soft water.
the screen isnt there to keep your puck from falling out when upside-down, it will stay on its own. its there because there is a gap between where the pressurized water comes out and the puck. without the screen the puck gets eroded like a urinal cake. Sometimes when i've misplaced the screen i've cut a bit of coffee filter or even paper towel to protect the puck and it worked fine.
Can we replace that silicon gadget there in the middle for something else? Like paper. Or a metal thing? I find a bit weird to run boiling water into silicon stuff. Does someone knows if the bottom burns and ruins like moka’s coffee machines?
I am surprised that Breville did not think of this design. It would be perfect for the Australian market. The espresso would come out the “right” side when you are upside down.
Lol, good one! :)
Interesting concept. Lovely design and build quality.
Are you making multiple shots and are you adverse to have having to clean something by taking it apart into several pieces. There's your catch.
The cleaning isn't any more than many other contraptions to be honest... the Wacaco Nanopresso is pretty much the same process and number of steps as is a Bialetti moka pot, a French press isn't that far off either give or take one or two unscrewings.
The cleanup isn't bad, you just have to wait until it cools off a bit. So, making back to back for guests is not going to work very well.
But otherwise, it's a very interesting unit, and makes good espresso.
I want to also clarify I use a 1:2 ratio. Golden Roast Honey Dark Roast Blend. A Kinu M47 Classic at 1.45 revs. Medium gas stove heat. It extracted right in at 35s.
All of my dialing settings from the Outin nano basket plus were basically translating to the 9 barista.
Great video Tom!! Cheers brother ☕️👍🏽😎
@@FaithAndCoffeeBean Thank you sir!
@TomsCoffeeCorner
Need to seek for your professional advice the 9barista material made by nickel plating is it harmful to our health if continuing using for brewing espresso?
I am looking for a manual espresso maker, I am considering the Flair 58 and 9barista. Which you recommend for?
Thanks in advance ❤
I have the same concerns too. I associate brass with lead but I'm not a scientist or physician
Its a good gadgit for campers but not for home. If i was younger i would buy one I think its greate its worth it
I would not recommend rinsing the grounds into a sink as the drain may get blocked eventually. Nice to see a review including cleanup.
I go camping and I like espresso. This is for people like me
It'd be cool if it had a steam want too built in (I feel like there is a variant similar to the 9bar, but im not sure the name, but it comes with a way to steam milk). Then it'd possibly be one of the ultimate camping espresso "machines" .
Way too much hassle, yes i understand it’s brilliantly engineered, looks quite good, however one thing I’ve learned over the years with coffee is that simplicity for me is the key to enjoyment, less fretting with gear and more time exploring & enjoying the coffee.
I had a pretty bad experience with the 9Barista. The customer service through the company that distributes it here in Canada was simply terrible. They suggested my TimeMore manual grinder must've been the issue which was nonsense. I had to threaten taking them to small claims to get a refund. Anyone know of similar experiences where the internal components seize up causing steam to repeatedly shoot out the safety valve?
Thank you!
i love the concept, but i question with daily use how it will last as you said during cleaning its quite finnicky and takes time. pulling more than 1 shot probably quite an ordeal lol
Pulling two shots can be done very quickly (relatively). You just rinse it under cold tap water, release the pressure, then empty the portafilter and start over. Its not something you use to do it regularly, but if a friend stops by or you're camping together, its really not bad.
@@alexrichard486 yep, the only annoyance with the second shot is you have to boil water a second time. I hand grind anyway so i find a use for that time.
Is delonghi ecp 35.31 still the best budget espresso machine out there?
Imho, absolutely yes.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner how about grinder, I'm currently using the timemore c3. It has good results buy I'm lazy to handgrind, is there a good budget grinder machine out there right now?
i think this would be good to swap out a moka pot. i love how it works and the design is awesome. i drink milk drinks so not for me.
It’s steampunk material and I just love steampunk
I am hoping next gen products will be made out of 100% stainless steel.
yes that turned out to be the flaw. the nickel plated brass delaminates.
It's a nice machine, interesting, but the price isn't justified because it's made in UK, as you told in the begining. For tje same price i got my La Pavoni machine, absolut beauty, nice looking and classic. I would love to have this one too, if was +- 200$ max.
Thank you for presentation!
Overall espresso quality, 9barista vs flair 58+, which one is the best?
I'd say Flair 58+ has more potential for espresso, and you can experiment with it a lot. The 9Barista does make a very tasty shot, but you cannot really adjust the variables. Cheers!
i really appreciated the "pfiad eich"
I wonder if they would ever make it out of steel, that would probably cut thr cost pretty dramatically...
I have had a 9Barista as my primary espresso machine for 3 years now. I find it unfair to assume that one would only buy it for the design. It certainly is a specialised machine but it delivers!
I am the only coffee drinker in a family of tea drinkers. An espresso countertop machine needs a lot of real estate, 20 minutes to boil 2L of water… for one cup. A lever machine packs away small but the workflow, with the kettle, is such a pain! A Nespresso machine is the most convenient (I had one prior to the 9Barista) but the bean choices are more limited.
The 9Barista only makes one cup at a time but when friends want coffee, I offer filter. A Nanofoamer works great for milk drinks.
The 9Barista is also limiting at times (it does not like light roast, the 53mm filter offers less options than the ubiquitous 58mm) but the workflow is actually quite good (not that dissimilar to a Bialetti), it stores in a drawer and it makes good espresso.
Thanks for your thoughtful post, and sharing your use case. In such a situation, this does tick all the boxes, you're right. And no matter what, it's always a great conversation starter.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner It is a great conversation starter, as well. Absolutely.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner It also really REALLY shines during car-camping trips. Whipping up an espresso on the whisperlite during a 3am alpine-start is incredible.
This is an amazing display of engineering but it's hard to justify buying over a machine like the Apex.
Only a matter of time until cheap knockoffs and near-equivalents become known to us. They probably already exist.
That’s something i would buy because it’s neat and unique yes… except i can’t afford it 😅
I’m with (most) everyone else. I love its Steampunk design aesthetic and how clever it is. But espresso for me will never be a “one and done” thing and I do need milk steaming. That said, if I was single, lived in a really small place (like a typical urban European flat) and drank my espresso black…
As it is, I live in Canada, with my wife and 2 young adult kids, we all like cappuccino’s and have a kitchen that’s the better part of 40 square metres.
Soooo, with 4 cappuccino drinkers, are you using a DB?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I wish! Actually, we don’t even have an espresso machine yet. Our cappuccinos are made with a Bialetti Moka Express and a Braun “espresso maker” for the steam. I call the “Moka-ccinos.” The latter was from my mother in law who’d owned it for long enough, that she couldn’t remember how long she had it. When I first started looking at it, I thought that (at best) it was one of those super cheap, all plastic espresso machines that you can buy with pressurized baskets, 20-bar pumps, etc. Then I got the basket out of the portafilter and it was single wall. I got super excited. But then I pulled it apart. No pump. It operates off of steam pressure, so it’s essentially a 4-cup, electric moka pot, shaped like an espresso machine, with a steam wand. It actually makes OK moka pot style coffee. The wand hangs off the side and is stationary. It has this weird end on it. It’s not a pinarello. It’s plastic, shaped like a gravity bomb with its nose cut off. It is removable, but you can’t steam milk without it, as the bare wand’s hole is too big. Pity. But it does do a better job than separately heating and frothing milk with either a French press or one of those spinny-whisky-thingys. I essentially use it as a self heating Bellman Steamer. Inside it’s super basic. No electronics, hardly any wiring; just a thermostat controller (I assume) to keep the boiler from over heating, which is nice. I couldn’t find the thermostat when I pulled it apart (I wasn’t really looking, though), but you can hear the machine cycle on and off when the power is on. I do need to pull it apart again and replace a seal or two as the wand is starting to leak.
You ever considered a water softener/filter for your house?
The idea that a milk drink needs to be made with steamed milk is a little silly to me.
I use my rok almost daily, and I just add the esspresso to a mug or glass and top it off with cold chocolate almond milk. Simple and delicious even if it's not traditional.
nickel plated brass... 2 metals that should be avoided for anything to be in contact with food.
So 18g is the max dose would you say?
I think that's the max I tried. I am not sure if you can fit deeper baskets to be honest, but there's going to be a limit in depth.
Really cool product, I would like to own one but I not gonna give them 500€ for it, that is pure madness.
Mechanical, civil, electrical or software doesn't matter: engineers are the salt of the Earth. (I'm a retired software engineer.)
WRT the gadget, wouldn't touch it with a bargepole: too pricey, not versatile, essentially aimed at people who follow the lifestyle pages.
I love it. Would never buy it, especially at that price. Even if it was 1/3 of the price i wouldn't buy it. It looks to cumbersome to use and you only get 1 shot and then wait for it to cool enough to start cleaning and prepare for your next shot.
I asked 3 guys at work what they'd pay for it. They all liked it for its coolness factor, but they all said they'd pay $200 max for it...
@TomsCoffeeCorner wow. I agree that it looks cool. Maybe a nice conversational piece. Nowadays, spending money on something because it looks cool is not an option for most. That money could be spent on something more practical. If anyone is a 1 shot and done type of person, then this turbo charged moka pot is right up their alley
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That heat transfer plate eventually turns silver!
Interesting design, but not practical. There is another design out of Thailand where someone has hacked the standard moka pot to make espresso similar to what you wold get from a fancy barista. I was lucky to try a few cups from the unit made by DAYPRESSO MACHIONI. Unfortunately, I could locate one for myself. The design is catching on. It is cheaply made and makes great quality espresso, similar to the 9Barista. I also wonder if the 9Barista isn't a knockoff of the one made in Thailand. But my point is that we should not have to pay $500 for the 9Barista.
im looking for anything like the valve system that allows the 9barista to reach high pressure and im not seeing it on the daypresso. they have no website or anything useful to look at though and this is a bot account name so im wasting my keystrokes here.
I was really interested in the 9Barista until I found out about the price. Sorry, but no. I would be willing to pay 100-200 Euros for it, but not more.
I agree. 200 is a good price. Maybe 300 if it includes the extras
Unfortunately, this coffee maker has a boiler made of nickel-plated brass, and the nickel plating will peel off, sooner or later. They should have used stainless steel.
I dont see why a workshop in china wouldn't just bang out something identical for a third of the price
I am guessing that there are some patents filed on this machine. That being said, I’m not 100% sure, if Chinese companies observe those patents or not.
I think the production cost can be done for 1/10 the price, it's plated brass, not expensive, rest is just measure and copy.
the Pandemic/Ukraine ended Globalization, DIY is in. What an awesome review ! Thanks Tom. luv the channel.
Certainly, not all of them 😁@@TomsCoffeeCorner
@@destructoooo what cost did you assign freedom, democracy & a rising standard of living ? ... Nothing, most likely... which is why the parasites of Wall St r about to help pay for the disaster of Globalization. Big time. 💰🤑☕😎
its like a trophy wife
Cool, but not for me. To pricy for what it is. Clean up seems like a pain for everyday and for making more than one shot.
Super cool...but nope. During the zombie apocalypse though, it would be a contender. Lol.
it's 500 bucks and has many parts designed to be fail in time, it's almost like a scam, almost. 🤷♂
It's a beautifully engineered, overly complex mokka pot. Aesthetic gimmick.
Well, better than a Mokka pot, in that it makes actual espresso. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Sort of...
@@Naftoor Water, under heat supplied pressure, being forced through coffee grounds = sort of
@@Naftoor You'll have to show me where nine bars of pressure is required for espresso. To my knowledge, it can be much less or much more, depending on your goals.
@@Naftoor if you'll recall, I never said a mokka pot was espresso. I'm just challenging the assumption that this other contraption is anything other than a slightly enhanced, overpriced pot