Outlaws of Thunder Junction Precons: Worst to Best

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  • @zakbrooks7354
    @zakbrooks7354 8 місяців тому +70

    I can't wait for the desert precon. I always wanted to build hazezon, but I didn't think there was enough deserts to warrant it. It's gonna be my first thunder junction buy

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  8 місяців тому +12

      Super glad they're expanding on Deserts!

    • @klaxbloom7613
      @klaxbloom7613 8 місяців тому +1

      Yo forreal! I actually wasnt planning on buying any precons and wanted to get a bundle but now........

    • @Just.Arguing
      @Just.Arguing 7 місяців тому +1

      Desert has been Snows awkward cousin for too long.

    • @zakbrooks7354
      @zakbrooks7354 7 місяців тому

      @@Just.Arguing I'd almost say that deserts are getting to be better than snow lands

  • @jthrone7768
    @jthrone7768 8 місяців тому +21

    The fact they named the spell in the vampire cowgirl’s deck “We Ride at Dawn” instead of “We Ride at Dusk” pisses me off.

    • @Exile559
      @Exile559 7 місяців тому

      Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks this.

  • @bakaronii
    @bakaronii 8 місяців тому +20

    I can't wait to tweak Most Wanted to use Vihaan for a treasure build. I feel it will really pop off that way.

    • @mutrad5
      @mutrad5 8 місяців тому

      Got most wanted from pre release at my lcs and made it into a vihaan token deck and its really fun

  • @Beckola44
    @Beckola44 8 місяців тому +4

    I pre-ordered the 4 Thunder Junction Pre-cons for $129.99 from our LGS. I like the Olivia Commander card but maybe it would fit better in a Vampire deck. Vihaan is a good Commander. Gonti is very good. Stella Lee is better than I thought. Thank you for the video Mia and Beezy.

  • @Wells13555
    @Wells13555 8 місяців тому +7

    Desert bloom is missing a big add from wilds of eldraine. Blossoming tortoise. That card feels like it was custom made for that deck.

  • @LordDrieg
    @LordDrieg 8 місяців тому +5

    Your review just makes me even happier than I was before.
    I was so excited when I saw the Quick Draw deck reveal & now that I know the commander has ways of going 🤯 INFINITE! 🤯 I'm beyond hyped! (Might even be a first cEDH deck for me. )
    I bought all four decks but for sure the only one I'm opening on release will be Stella Lee!

    • @Ike98250
      @Ike98250 8 місяців тому

      I can confirm how smooth and synergistic Quick Draw is! I nearly drew my whole deck using Stella's copy while Niv-Mizzet, Parun was in play for an explosive win. Crackling Spellslinger on a Treasure Cruise with a Mizzix's mastery in my hand for my next turn made everyone scoop (when I dropped the Mastery on my next turn).

  • @krisdaschwab912
    @krisdaschwab912 8 місяців тому +7

    I bought Most Wanted and Grand Larceny.
    I have a kid named Olivia, so I'm obligated to grab this and try to make it work.
    As for Grand Larceny, I already had a deck like this but in grixis. It's 12th doctor with Clara Oswald running on black. The idea is basically the same: Steal my opponents' stuff, use it against them, and get political gain while making copies. I'm taking the relevant cards from this precon out and putting them into the Grixis shell I already have. Then I'll be making a Felix combat damage deck out of the spare parts.
    Pozdrawiam z Polską.

  • @cptregalz8091
    @cptregalz8091 8 місяців тому +4

    Dang. That spellslinger looks sick. Also, can Beezy try to say the dragon shield ad a little faster? Gotta save time these days.
    Great work as always, thank you both ❤

  • @pistolpete7422
    @pistolpete7422 8 місяців тому +5

    Need to target Stella, greaves is a huge non-bo

  • @icecap7484
    @icecap7484 7 місяців тому

    It's interesting when some people talk about Stella Lee and how easy it is for her to go infinite. Look up the old Kamigawa arcane spells. Look up Splice Onto Arcane. Then look up Psychic Puppetry. One additional blue mana when casting ANY arcane spell will go infinite. Land destruction, burn, draw, mill, life gain, creature buffs, they do it all. Stella can win commander games on turn 3.

  • @dimitriid
    @dimitriid 8 місяців тому +55

    I was kina happy when both Ixalan and Karlov Manor had really strong commander decks thinking maybe it's here to stay...But nope, we're strictly back to 'Meh' territory

    • @whostoblame1
      @whostoblame1 8 місяців тому +2

      Exactly. I also thought this will be a new era. Well ... Saving money 👌

    • @justinmorsch3208
      @justinmorsch3208 8 місяців тому +16

      Aside from the dimir surveil Precon from MKM, I thought the commander decks from MKM were pretty bad. I feel like OTJ is much better than those, but obviously LCI had incredible precons

    • @RvBnerd618
      @RvBnerd618 8 місяців тому

      Honestly after Zendikar Rising I thought precons will be like that during Covid 19, but nope. Learned to not get your hopes up when Wizards come up with a good formula.

    • @topiask5315
      @topiask5315 8 місяців тому

      @@justinmorsch3208 Blame game from MKM is quite possibly the best precon so far.

    • @mrjey3434
      @mrjey3434 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@justinmorsch3208the Deep Clue Sea precon was also above average, but Blame Game and Deadly Disguise were bad

  • @dimitriid
    @dimitriid 8 місяців тому +2

    27:44 How did you figure 20 to 30 cards? My guess is that you're considering things that are more than just a one card combo like Refocus because I could only find like 3 cards that are 1) Instant or Sorcery 2) Can uptap Stella 3) Can draw a card.
    And btw this isn't a criticism but a legit question: I might change my Niv-Mizzet//Thassa's Oracle deck to Stella//Thassa's Oracle given how she is *much easier* to cast so on a deck that already it's dedicated to fast mana cedh this can be a turn 1 combo deck.

    • @devan9197
      @devan9197 8 місяців тому

      Theres 5 ways to draw your deck although 2 are on the next upkeep so play the card that gives everything flash. Besides that theres 2 or 3 cards that just win the game and 2 or 3 that generate infinite mana. It could be interesting to have a cedh deck but idk if you wanna be playing such bad cards that don't do anything without the commander.

  • @klaxbloom7613
    @klaxbloom7613 8 місяців тому

    I like how you break these down. Very well organized and awesome way to explain for different types of players.

  • @yosefzanerva806
    @yosefzanerva806 8 місяців тому +3

    Void Attendant? Oh, that's from Battle for Zendikar! I bought a fat pack for it back in the day.

  • @blaze556922
    @blaze556922 7 місяців тому

    Some really cool cards and the artwork in this set is next level

  • @lefteron6804
    @lefteron6804 7 місяців тому +1

    Does the new vampire deck work well with the previous one?

  • @Dragetsuyatamiki
    @Dragetsuyatamiki 8 місяців тому +1

    Life insurance also counts your opponents stuff so discounting it for only proc’n your stuff is inaccurate. I will agree though that its mana cost is too high and should’ve been a 4 cmc at most.

  • @yellowed_mind4948
    @yellowed_mind4948 8 місяців тому +1

    Best
    1st place quick draw
    2nd place grand larceny
    3rd dessert bloom
    4th most wanted
    Worst

  • @ryanmoye6951
    @ryanmoye6951 8 місяців тому

    for the last one i'd think rod of absorption. to hold instants and sorceries after uses to hit big later

  • @LeonJohnson-yi3hg
    @LeonJohnson-yi3hg 8 місяців тому +8

    The angel sellsword is legit

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  8 місяців тому +1

      Seems pretty solid to us too

    • @coryledwitch6492
      @coryledwitch6492 8 місяців тому

      Seems like the stats are not quite there, it should be a 5/5, or at least a 5/4 so it can swing and get the mercenary buff to draw a card on the next turn. And before you go on about anthems and lords and all those other things, my comment assumes the card in a vacuum. This is not going to turn out how many think it will.

  • @coryledwitch6492
    @coryledwitch6492 8 місяців тому

    I specced on Stella Lee full art non-foil at $5 a pop. MP was at around $8.5 and ML $7. I bought 5, and I'm hoping it'll get to $10 and I'll double my money. But I don't think she'll go very far under $5 at all. We'll see!

  • @kalemroseland7973
    @kalemroseland7973 8 місяців тому

    I actually don't have a landfall commander deck and have always wanted one so I might get the desert one. The spellslinger one looks cool but I bought a previous spell slinger deck and never ended up playing it sadly

  • @willstebbins5338
    @willstebbins5338 8 місяців тому +12

    For what it’s worth, Dockside is also an Outlaw lol

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  8 місяців тому +9

      Guys we broke it

    • @herman1850
      @herman1850 8 місяців тому

      Pitiless plunderer is, too! Sac your creature treasures and get treasures back. :)

    • @caghuama
      @caghuama 8 місяців тому

      @@herman1850 add crime novelist to make more mana

    • @xavimontero2615
      @xavimontero2615 2 місяці тому

      Probs why it was banned. :p

  • @blaze556922
    @blaze556922 7 місяців тому

    I think Command Tower is one of the best choices they have ever made. What's the harm in having a land that can tap for all the colors in your commanders color identity?

  • @Khaion
    @Khaion 8 місяців тому

    Rassilon, the War President from the Dr Who decks is going in my version of Gonti. I was building him as a commander, but Gonti gives me another discount and access to green.

  • @pancakeburglar9361
    @pancakeburglar9361 8 місяців тому +1

    I’m getting the Most Wanted deck while I’m excited to build around Olivia. The deck is definitely too unfocused, definitely cutting the life gain sub theme and the mediocre outlaws in the deck for some more treasure generators and better outlaws.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  8 місяців тому +1

      The deck could definitely slap if given a face lift!

    • @Dieonceperday
      @Dieonceperday 8 місяців тому

      I actually like the lifegain, especially with two reanimator creatures that like lifegain. First thing I cut is the politics cards, which i suppose are there for if you wanna make marchesa your commander. Adding some discard to get things in the yard to get back or encore with fixer.

  • @vapixdarmana4428
    @vapixdarmana4428 8 місяців тому +1

    BFZ was the first time I ever played standard, of course I know the void attendant.

  • @liveanotheranime3526
    @liveanotheranime3526 8 місяців тому +1

    Whatever team put together the Ixalan precons got fired by Wizards for having too much value and synergy.
    I like Gonti and spellslinger the best. And someone on team obviously favored spellslinger jamming so many value cards into it. Biggest two disappointments was new Olivia is BORING and the desert precon doesn’t focus really on deserts much or cactus plant folk.

  • @weihaigoh9734
    @weihaigoh9734 8 місяців тому +1

    I can use any type of mana mean I can use colorless mana to cast it. Gonti give 1 cost reduction and Doc Aurlock give 2 cost reduction cast from exile so I can cast 0 mana for the spell cost mana 3 or less, am I correct?

  • @martinithechobit
    @martinithechobit 8 місяців тому +1

    Thanks yall.

  • @patricklynch4074
    @patricklynch4074 8 місяців тому

    Ive been wanting to build hazezon since before the precon was announced. Desert bloom felt like the universe throwing me a bone

  • @typicaltilly2535
    @typicaltilly2535 7 місяців тому

    I'm playing Desert Bloom and its pretty good.

  • @UNIVERSESBEYOND
    @UNIVERSESBEYOND 8 місяців тому

    Quick Draw is by far the most balanced deck! Some good reprints and great new cards!! I’m going to be deconstructing it and putting singles into my other spellslinger decks (such as Lord of the Nazgûl) as I’m not a massive fan of the commander!

    • @Wojtek36762
      @Wojtek36762 8 місяців тому +1

      I’m without a spellslinger deck since taking Kykar apart, I’m gonna build it. Precon seems worth it for new cards, Niv and Veyran. Strongly considering switching Stella out for the prowess otter already previewed from Bloomburrow once that set lands.

  • @sneaky847
    @sneaky847 8 місяців тому

    Ik it’s a decent bit of mana but xanathar, Guild kingpin would be a good add to gonti

  • @WaterNinjaFrog
    @WaterNinjaFrog 8 місяців тому

    Dockside and smothering tithe go crazy in the outlaws deck

  • @CorrinUwU
    @CorrinUwU 8 місяців тому +1

    Hello, most wasted is the worse of the 4th? im gonna start commander for the firts time and i dont really know which one really choose for start >

    • @strangejace9341
      @strangejace9341 8 місяців тому +1

      I wouldn't really worry about which one is the strongest or weakest. The great thing about commander is that you can always upgrade and tweak decks you want. I'm not going to say that the value is always worth it but it also depends on your playgroup because commander isn't an easily balanced format. So if that's the one that you like most go for it! I will be picking up that one, the quick draw, and the grand larceny one myself.

    • @Phe0nix1986
      @Phe0nix1986 8 місяців тому

      Just buy one thats affordable & not over priced.

    • @joshuarudling2102
      @joshuarudling2102 8 місяців тому

      I think it would be a good one for a new player. My playgroup is probably 2 years old now but most players have focused on decks that dont rely on combat and they dont have a good grasp of when/how to attack and block etc.

  • @Buzzsawspright
    @Buzzsawspright 7 місяців тому

    Jokes on you guys, preordered all four of these for $142. Best deal.

  • @TheFranchise83
    @TheFranchise83 8 місяців тому

    The will probably bring processors back. They foreshadow in decks sometimes.

  • @goodtaste2185
    @goodtaste2185 8 місяців тому +4

    I loved both of your appearances on Game Knights recently!

  • @JulioLenin88
    @JulioLenin88 8 місяців тому +2

    Olivia (and the deck overall) is such a disappointment. As someone without Edgar Markov, I had hopes she could be a more affordable alternative for a murdu commander vampire. She only needed to say "When one or more Vampires OR outlaw..." to be what I expected.

    • @TristanEason6
      @TristanEason6 8 місяців тому

      I run a Mardu Vampires wedding deck with Edgar. But it's all about the bride and groom, with all the vamps to be sacrificed to the party, (along with everyone else's stuff.) It's such a fun deck to play. Sadly, I haven't recruited any new vampires since Crimson Vow. It even has the bride and groom's wedding equipments with the carrage taking them away. They missed the boat with the new Olivia.

    • @zionenjames
      @zionenjames 8 місяців тому +1

      @@TristanEason6 would it be possible to see your decklist? I love olivia and I was thinking of making a rule 0 bridegroom deck

    • @TristanEason6
      @TristanEason6 8 місяців тому +2

      @zionenjames ok I got it up on mtggoldfish, it's called Edgar wedding Vampires. By TristanE. It's supposed to be around a 7-8 PL.

    • @zionenjames
      @zionenjames 8 місяців тому +1

      @@TristanEason6 thanks for sharing!

  • @errinscroggins291
    @errinscroggins291 8 місяців тому +9

    When it comes to Mia, we never forget the top half ❤ 28:22

  • @bryandegroat857
    @bryandegroat857 8 місяців тому +2

    Desert bloom seems the most fun, quick draw seems boring.

  • @mr.wafflesrz1137
    @mr.wafflesrz1137 6 місяців тому

    I love those Mountains Mia has :D

  • @Tarknaal
    @Tarknaal 8 місяців тому

    Can someone explain the Stella Lee/Twisted Fealty infinite more? I get that after playing 2 spells you will copy fealty, but how do you get infinite wicked roles? shouldn't you just have 2?

    • @joshuarudling2102
      @joshuarudling2102 8 місяців тому

      I was confused at first untill i read the gain control of target creature and untap it part lol

  • @DigitalinDaniel
    @DigitalinDaniel 8 місяців тому +2

    I like the Desert Bloom the most just for the theme alone, but I hope I can get a non-foil regular-border Yuma or I'm not gonna bother. :^)
    While not crazy good, I'm really glad they reprinted the Fallout filter-lands already with better art and flavor-text! :D

  • @JayAndNightASMR
    @JayAndNightASMR 7 місяців тому

    I think all of the alt commanders are better than the face ones. But the fave ones probably look better on the box

  • @discoviolenza1984
    @discoviolenza1984 8 місяців тому +1

    I'm tired of seeing Field of the Dead and Glacial Chasm in commander decks. It's time to start running Blood Moon and Ruination in all of my decks .

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  8 місяців тому +1

      Gotta fight fire with fire

    • @KonwTheTrut
      @KonwTheTrut 8 місяців тому +1

      Just pulled a blood moon the other day

  • @TheUltimateRey
    @TheUltimateRey 8 місяців тому

    I think Plasm capture is great on a budget not everyone can afford mana drain and there’s already a lot of 5 mana counter spells with upside so this being 4 mana is actually reasonable

    • @LordDrieg
      @LordDrieg 8 місяців тому

      I think the dislike for Plasm Capture is the number of pips & not necessarily its CMC.
      5 CMC counters like Access Denied, Spell Swindle, Mystic Confluence have 2 color pips + 3 generic so the thinking isn't I have to hold up more specific mana, just more mana in addition to the 2 pips.
      Plasm Capture & similar counter spells that require multiple color pips means you're restricted in not just the mana you have to hold up, but the actions you can take on your turn in order to reserve that mana.

    • @TheUltimateRey
      @TheUltimateRey 8 місяців тому

      @@LordDrieg it’s simic tho that’s not hard to do at all

  • @oneechanknowsbest615
    @oneechanknowsbest615 8 місяців тому

    Damn I really wanted Olivia... Stella Lee looks cool too though...

  • @burningprodigy
    @burningprodigy 8 місяців тому +1

    Just be careful with Lightning Greaves on Stella because it doesnt play well with Twisted Fealty

  • @99redggs42
    @99redggs42 7 місяців тому +1

    It really feels like this video is biased and not based on stats but rather on personal preferences.

  • @yubeluchiha
    @yubeluchiha 8 місяців тому

    Olivia, Opulent Outlaw
    Flying, lifelink, Deathtouch
    Whenever one or more outlaws you control deal damage to a player, create that many Treasure tokens equal to the damage rounded up. (Assassins, Mercenaries, Pirates, Rogues, and Warlocks are outlaws.)
    {3}, Sacrifice four Treasures: Put two +2/+2 counters on each creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
    If they fix her like this ❤

    • @zionenjames
      @zionenjames 8 місяців тому

      Whenever a vampire or outlaw does combat damage... is better

  • @boochaca7957
    @boochaca7957 8 місяців тому

    ngl, im getting gonti for a few upgrades to my Don Andres deck.

  • @amityosifovich1805
    @amityosifovich1805 8 місяців тому +1

    im ganna type this before watching the video: unless quick draw is best, i am mad.

  • @smackyfrog6046
    @smackyfrog6046 8 місяців тому

    You guys should go watch Back to the Future.

  • @hanzsantos2820
    @hanzsantos2820 8 місяців тому

    I'm a new player can someone explain how the twisted fealty combo works on stella lee?

    • @Marcibarti
      @Marcibarti 8 місяців тому

      You need to cast at least two spells before Twisted Fealty. Then you cast it. Before it resolves you activate Stella‘s ability to copy a spell and you choose Twisted Fealty for it. The copy resolves and you choose Stella as your target. As the copy resolves, Stella untaps and gets a Wicked Role. Now you activate her ability again to copy Twisted Fealty again (because the spell itself is still on the stack). Process repeats and as Stella gets a new Wicked Role, your opponents lose one life each time. Repeat until you‘ve won.

  • @seifeldeensameh6661
    @seifeldeensameh6661 8 місяців тому +1

    A crime have been committed , where are the cowboy hats 🤠🤠🤠

  • @davidcapano9996
    @davidcapano9996 8 місяців тому

    I feel like everyone who reviews the desert bloom deck always misses the mark by not mentioning hew the entwood as an include, it's such a sleeper hit for this deck and budget friendly as most copies are under a dollar

    • @GeneralGGD
      @GeneralGGD 7 місяців тому +1

      It's kinda like a much worse scapeshift, unless you're taking a chance at getting free artifacts, but not sure what you'd aim for there. Very good chance to whiff too, which would cost the game. Now I suppose you COULD use it to sac all lands and fill board with 4/2's for one last assault, but there's better ways to do that

  • @josephmiick8683
    @josephmiick8683 8 місяців тому

    nekusar loves wind fall lmao

  • @Exile559
    @Exile559 7 місяців тому +1

    This review of olivia aged poorly. It does 17 different things pretty damn effectively.

  • @starstriker4960
    @starstriker4960 8 місяців тому

    Can’t wait to get most wanted, scrap it for parts completely… that’s about it

  • @lorenzomarquez9122
    @lorenzomarquez9122 8 місяців тому

    16:35

  • @skulletorable
    @skulletorable 8 місяців тому

    I have to say, these precons have kinda disappointed me compared to recent releases. Maybe it is personal bias but they seem… boring? The spellslinger deck seems fun, but again personal bias I don’t like decks that care more about non-creatures. The others just seem… eh. Idk, maybe once I play them I’ll find them fun

  • @Muhd_Akmal
    @Muhd_Akmal 8 місяців тому

    Stella is bonkers

  • @davidportnoy3237
    @davidportnoy3237 7 місяців тому

    What you think is the worst deck, I see as the best deck. I feel most wanted is the strongest deck in the set.

  • @Nephalem2002
    @Nephalem2002 8 місяців тому

    I really wanna pick up QuickDraw because the Storm Deck looks NUTS.

  • @sonkal-elkent6143
    @sonkal-elkent6143 8 місяців тому

    I don't care that the Most Wanted is the worst - I can't NOT get the Mardu deck 😂

  • @noprobro5825
    @noprobro5825 8 місяців тому

    Battle for zendikar

  • @b-town_bravo3704
    @b-town_bravo3704 8 місяців тому

    I turned this precon into vihaan as the commander and it's broken 😅😂

  • @corriedebeer799
    @corriedebeer799 8 місяців тому +1

    Low cut tops made this video.

  • @nolifeSnorlax
    @nolifeSnorlax 8 місяців тому

    Gonti is the worst deck by a mile… all new cards are complete trash…. expect the wrath. The graverobber skeleton thingy is a draft common like wtf are those cards xD

  • @daggercatz7297
    @daggercatz7297 8 місяців тому

    Stella Lee seems like its gonna be by far the strongest commander wizards has ever printed. Like Niv Mizzet Curiosity looks weak in comparison to this

    • @jayjayhooksch1
      @jayjayhooksch1 8 місяців тому

      Stella Lee seems fine to me. No haste means you need to untap with it and being only in izzet is a bit limiting.
      What about it screams powerhouse to you?

  • @mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299
    @mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 8 місяців тому

    Vihaan Goldwaker is the Goldmember of MTG, they just want all the Treasure to accomplish their evil machinations.
    Goldmember: ''I love gold! The look of it! The smell of it! The taste of it! The texture! I love gold so much that I lost my genitalia in an unfortunate smelting accident. Hence the name... Goldmember'', Austin Powers Goldmember :P LOL

  • @teamaw3some798
    @teamaw3some798 8 місяців тому

    what happened to joe?

  • @timmyd.8737
    @timmyd.8737 8 місяців тому

    First

  • @adamholcomb1906
    @adamholcomb1906 8 місяців тому

    That was a “Back to the Future”movie reference you made. It was the Under the Sea dance scene in the movie 👍🏼👍🏼💯

  • @FmC-805
    @FmC-805 8 місяців тому

    Boycot Wizards’s. We have enough cards. Proxy.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  8 місяців тому +3

      You can if you want to

    • @krisdaschwab912
      @krisdaschwab912 8 місяців тому +1

      Cry more

    • @MrDontSubscribeToMe
      @MrDontSubscribeToMe 8 місяців тому

      Wrong channel to post this on. Nitpicking Nerds does preview cards now, they're bought out

    • @FmC-805
      @FmC-805 8 місяців тому

      @@krisdaschwab912 chill shill

    • @MrDontSubscribeToMe
      @MrDontSubscribeToMe 8 місяців тому

      Wrong channel to shill this on. They do preview cards now. They won't encourage proxies or disparage WOTC