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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
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The Toronto Raptors' rookie class has been criticized by NBA analysts and fans, and Ben Rogers explains why much of the criticism will age poorly.
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I'm hurt that you still haven't added Charlottetown to the ad 😢 lol
Chomche was an absolute steal, youngest player in draft and summer league insane movement for a 7 footer. Also need to take into account that he hasn’t really played organized basketball and he only started playing 4 years ago. The kid has that dawg in him. If he went to the NCAA this year instead of NBA he’d be a lottery pick next year.
The only disappointment I had about summer league was Gradey and Mogbo got hurt. Gradey is going to be at least a high tier player, he was flying all over the place, creating space for everyone else to score. Amazing, he's working to be more than a shooter, it's no coincidence they couldn't score when Gradey wasn't there attracting the other team's attention.
GD shot 8-26 fg / 0-9 3fg in two SL games... for a guy labeled as the best shooter in the 2023 draft he is very streaky. Everyone in the Raptors regular SL rotation made at least one 3fg including Chomche except GD. GD is more hype than proven right now from a segment of the Raptors fan base. I see Ja'Kobe Walter potentially being better than GD by the All-Star break. Time will tell.
@@IceManLikeGervinYeah what's crazy is he was still best player out there for them, playing great ball and finding a way to impact winning without shot falling which is what you need from 3 point shooters.
He had slow start last year, the shot was falling though. Kids can be streaky, 37% ain't bad first year.
I'm less worried about the shot with Gradey, I do think its there and only improving.
I was focused on the other parts of game that looked great in summer league. Even his defence looks solidly improved. He added another 10 lbs of muscle.
Off ball movement looks great. He was cutting very well. Passing very well. Rebounding and hustle plays were there.
I was very encouraged.
@@IceManLikeGervin name one other player on that summer league team except maybe MAYBE ochai who makes the scouting report 😂😂😂
GD is a bust
@@SidiousPalp In game one he made some nice passes and got some rebounds but in game two he didn't even do that while still throwing up mostly bricks. Plus, he couldn't create off the bounce and was a turnstile on defense in both games that he played in.
In game two the Raps actually played better against Denver, who they were losing to, after GD left the game at halftime.
A shooter who can't consistently shoot is exactly what in the NBA? Btw- GD shot 36% from three last season and 42% on all fg attempts.
I was very disappointed especially when compared to other notable players from the 2023 draft class who played much better during SL.
Gotta remember, the league hates the Raptors. Masai cooked for the future this draft. No other team was able to do what we did. The media is biased, petty and jealous. Give these kids a year in the league with one of the best organizations in sports. Let's see at the end of the season.
The Raps 4 rookies will most likely struggle to be a part of their projected regular 9 man rotation (Poeltl, SB, RJ, Brown, IQ, Mitchell, Olynyk, GD, Agbaji) to begin the regular season - barring injuries. The 4 rookies will most likely make up the core of the 905 for the most of the season. Raps could still make a trade/free agent signing as well. The Raps current roster/depth chart:
CP: Poeltl/Olynyk
PF: Barnes/Boucher/Mogbo
SF: Barrett/Dick/Temple
SG: Brown/Ogbaji/Walter
PG: Quickley/Mitchell/Shead
Two Way Contracts:
G DJ Carton
C Branden Carlson
C Ulrich Chomche
Exhibition 10 Contracts:
F Quincy Guerrier
F Jamison Battle
G Tylor Perry
😂
Carlson saved raptors this summer league. And avg over 10 points as a undrafted rookie. And you show the man no love wow.
Carlson still needs to prove he can defend against NBA size big’s because of his skinny frame. That’s what’s going to decide if he see’s minutes in the actual NBA or just the G league. NBA players are much bigger, stronger and faster than college and summer league talent.
Facts he’s one of the most interesting pieces that we picked up
@@mikeyjames that’s every nba rookie. You can say the same thing for the #2 pick. Just cause it’s summer league doesn’t mean there wasn’t NBA players on the floor.
Ben, you have to admit the Raptors missed out Filipiwski , he could have had a impact right away. The Raptors needed shooting and height. Wasn't impressed with Walter , didn't stand out at all. I do hope the rookies pick it up. Carlson was my guy , I hope he solidifies his position in the rotation backing up Olynk. I also hope to see Koloko soon. Obagji was disaster and might be gone by season opening.
Based on what ? Patrick McCaw put up better numbers than him in summer league and he’s been out of the league for years. Some of these guys that put stats in summer league won’t cut it in the NBA. Check out McCaw’s summer league videos on here. He looked like Booker.
Not the time for knee-jerk reactions based on a tiny sample size. Let's see how training camp , the preseason and the first quarter of the regular season look. Time will tell.
He is being groomed by a mormon girl to be her piggy bank. There is an obvious reason everyone passed on him
Stunning that they passed on Filipowski. Don’t quite get that one at all.
@@mikebird5021 Filipowski's personal life is crazy. His girlfriend, who was his babysitter growing up, groomed him and had him cut all ties to his immediate family while indoctrinating him into Mormonism. Filipowski even wrote his immediate family a goodbye letter saying that he will never see them again. He also cut off all his HS friends, coaches and college teammates as well. Big time red flags all around that dude.
These guys are all development projects. Gotta lower those expectations. They will learn and improve. What's most important is the basketball iq and fit in system and team philosophy.
But for me I think the most concern this season is size. Raps have a ridiculous trove of back court so hoping to filter out the ones that dont fit. Front court not so much. We will get bodied up front. Crossing fingers for koloko to attend training camp and sticking with the main roster.
I will put on record. I was a bit confused by Walter pick myself.
Theres a scout I really trust who said his shot was inconsistent and he didnt defend well, but billed as 3 and D guy. Hopefully he develops.
Mogbo confused me a bit with who was available at the time. But scout I trust loved the pick, so both him and Masai bought in, Ill have faith.
Shead seems like a great pick, a bit strange to get him and Mitchell at same time, but again scout I trust made point that having multiple havoc wreakers at the point of attack is never a bad thing, and we did need it, so now weve got depth, all good.
Chomche seems like a great high upside project that costs them nothing if he doesnt pan out.
Overall, pretty solid, I do wondee if we couldve done better with Walter pick, but hopefully he turns into a solid 3 amd D player.
He's a project taken at the 19th pick in a weak draft. If we get anything out of him it's a win. People need to stop expecting that everyone will develop into stars, drafts on average have 5-6 all star players in them.
Rating rookies in summer league is dumb.
even if the raptors drafted the exact players they all think we should of they would still find a way to shit on us
Yup pretty much lol. I really don't care what they say about the raptors
@@chad_b I try not to either but it gets to me sometimes
No one should be disrespecting Raptor Rookies - they have to grow and learn by mistakes. Please give them time to develop and grow and not write them off..... It is hurtful for them if they read bad reviews. Encourage them whenever you can guys.
I think D+ is fair because most of these guys are drafted to be back of the bench and development core none of them are expected to start and even Gradey who is a more solid Bench guy was injured so didn't really factor in most of SL. Ochai was a disappointment and leaves many question marks ... I think Masai or the FO needs to have that Stanley Johnson/ PJ Tucker conversation with Ochai; he needs to get the hurry up convo given to him.
In any case we've made our development program soft over the years with the Nick Nurse program. It's time we have a development program that can iterate quick and can instill both discipline and good work ethics with these new additions. Enough with the hand holding, and making excuses for guys or doing the whole wait and see approach. They deliver or they go, they want to be here competing or they go ... we need guys hitting the gym not tik-tok. So to get guys who are hard workers and even be labelled try hards (which is what we loved about our guys coming up the Casey development pipeline) we need the media like Bleacher Report writing negative press like this, we need to have guys who play with a chip on their shoulder who play like they have to prove the entire league wrong every time they lace up. Therefore a hostile media landscape is a net benefit to get our guys locked in ... they really need that wake up call. You don't produce you become like Gary Trent taking a paycut but if you do produce you can be like FVV, OG, and Pascal locking in Max contracts. They need to have that convo with management like hey if you don't succeed in Toronto you are bust for the whole league so don't be messing about on time wasting bad habits.
Mogbo played 1.5 games. Shead looked good on D and PG take time as NBA levels. 2nd round players need to develop because if they were already serviceable they would be top 20.
Chomche he looked like he belonged and brought some D that is all you can expect. He has not played in NCAA or Euro team. JKW did decent but is young he will develop. Grade should be C+ or B- especially 3 in second round!
Don’t know why writers are grading organizations based young players in summer league but would not take it seriously. I think this is more for rookies to have a bit of nba experience and for borderline nba young players to showcase themselves but not to grade organizations on how they drafted…very little percentage of these players will make true impact on the actual nba teams
Not impressed with any of these new projects. Carlson maybe. He charged the net on most shots. Going to be a long season I'm afraid. Should have picked Filipowski.
Also guys, you don't rate your rookies on a small sample size of 5 games.
Ulrich will be great and Jakobe is likely going to be a starter or a high level rotation player at some point in his career
It's to early and no one cares about Summer league but no one looked very good on the Team. Even Grady shot poorly. Obaji looked dreadful
People need to come back to reality and stop thinking every first round pick should develop into a star. Walter was a project player (young/raw/not ready for the NBA who will hopefully develop) picked at pick 19 in a weak draft. We should be happy if he develops into anything as he probably would have been a late first round/early second round pick in a half decent draft. Most NBA draft classes only have 5-6 players who become NBA all-stars on average, why do people expect our 19th pick project to become one of those. If he does great, but reality is he won't play much this year and hopefully he develops into a useable piece.
It's summer league... would you say any of these player had a bad performance compare to some of the other overhyped players on other teams?
They are there to learn - Outside of Olynyk, Boucher, Temple, Brown and Poeltl, everyone's got something to learn to take their game to the next level in upcoming season.
Cant complain though the Raptors won it all in 2019 and was a good team for at least a decade. Cznt say much for the Jays or Leafs.
Fair initial grades. Only Walker will be on the roster full time this year.
Ahhhh, the Bleacher Report, the source of suggested trades that would consistently be terrible for the Raptors.
Imo, Mogbo is the pick that can be questioned most. The others fit where they were picked. Time will tell.
What the Raptors did was replace GTJ with Mitchell, which was a good thing because it ensures playing time for some Of the young players. Other than that, they totality turned over the 3 Rd string players, if the outcome is 1 of them pans out, and 1 of the 2 ways pans out in 2 years, that would be great. It is year 1 of the rebuild. They have 2 pics for next draft. Then maybe by summer of 26, decision will need to be made. I will go with the trace record of the Raptors for developing players rather than a Bleacher Report guy, if he was that insightful, he would be working for a team😊
Not exactly. GTJ was replaced by Brown, Ogbaji and Walter. Mitchell will be the back up point guard a position that the Raptors really had not filled properly last season after trading for IQ.
Brown and Ogbaji were on the roster before Mitchell while GTJ was still on the roster, so not sure how they replaced him, but my main point is that how the new young players will or will not work out will take more than summer league to figure it out. But all 👍
@@kevinferris3007 They collectively replaced GTJ in the rotation-depth chart. I hope that makes it much clearer for you. All the best.
Whose really looking for a place to rent with these unbelievable prices these days.
Raptors fans always overreacting
that's because most are still hung on 2019
I'm pretty sure every fanbase overreacts
@@chad_b yeah but this one is one of the worst they’ve been toxic since the championship
Drawing conclusions at this point is ridiculous. I think Walter could develop into a solid player. The biggest head scratcher for me is why the Raptors passed on Filipowski.
Very very alarming things going on in his personal life
@@brockmcdonald3665 let me ask you this.. if you could get Lamelo Ball on the Raptors rn, Would you do it
It’s pronounced ul rish shomshe
The players selected are not game changer
I am not a fan of the TR draft picks. I do think Mogbo was a mistake. I agree that it's early rn and lets see how this plays out. I would love to be wrong on this and I hope I am. At this point it feels like if Toronto got the #1 pick for next year they'd pass on Cooper Flag and draft another shooting guard.
This video kinda made zero sense cuz you admitted they didn’t play well then you disagree with the rating.. lol how does that make sense? What did you want them to rate us?
And players dont get better at shooting over time??? Players 3p% change all the time so they prob will get better 🤔
Shead and our 57 pick will be the only players we will be happy about.. Raps mess up
Very poor draft picks
35-47 this season
Their drafts were dreadfully awful.
Trade for Reed Sheppard and/or Dalton Knecht.
Stop hyping up the new raptor players that are unproven in the NBA and at the development stage G league caliber at best.
I love the Raptors... butwe're going nowhere. This squad sucks. Bac to good ol Craptors days.
Filipiwski or Tyler Smith could’ve been our picks both shooting bigs above 6’9
Gtj average over 12 I already place my bet. Let see how many of these dollar store players can reach that. Lol ujiri the great.
Gtj is s trash lmao wth you smoking
Ayeeee
Ochai has been poo
Jakobe another gary, mogobo another precious and shead cant shoot…? That chomche guy i like tho
It's a team game. Rodman couldn't shoot either.
@@jeffreym.8957 rodman was a 6’7 dpoy who may of been undersized at pf but wasnt undersized in general? Doesnt matter how good shead is defensively at 6’, if he cant spread the floor he’s completely useless. Lowry and fred are textbook examples of what he needs to be and they were good shooters coming out of NCAA. Its just a fact that most 6’ guys get hounded on switches and are often targeted regardless of if they are good defensively.
@@andrei4617 Norm couldn't shoot after four years at UCLA. He's only 21, let's give him a chance.
@@aquamarine99911 brother your right but ur missing the point of what im saying here. At least norm was 6’4, this is basketball guys height is really fucking important lets not pretend that it isnt
Another longer-armed Gary on a cheap contract for five years isn't a bad thing. Mogbo is an excellent passer. He has more basketball IQ in his little finger than Precious has in his whole body, and I liked Precious. Sure, I would have taken Filipowski, who fell so far in the draft. But then, I would have taken Skal ahead of Pascal in 2016. We'll see.
The draft picks suck, and the team sucks. I don't think you'll have anything exciting to talk about for 5+ years. That's just my prediction. They will trade Scottie Barnes 3-4 years from now to start another rebuild. But as of right now, they are hopeless.
No they don't - just some of their so-called fans suck...
@@jeffreym.8957 oh they not fans trust me they bandwagons
No analysis, just gut feelings and a desire to spread baseless pessimism. But thank you for predicting 5 years into the future
@@Ballin-97 You're very welcome
@@ImpulsiveWandering 🤡
Walter and Sheade were so-so. Mogbo was a bad pick. Comche shows promise. There has been a startling decline In Masai’s trades and draft choices from 2019 onwards. Barnes is the exception.
Mind boggling that the Raptors didn’t draft Filipowski considering the team’s needs.
Most I played 1.5 games and you say bad pick 😂 delusional acoustics fans
What you’re missing is.. during summer league, they were asked to showcase some skills they’ve been working on. During regular season, their roles are significantly different. If / and when you see mogbo running with Scottie on an open break and he’s dunking on heads, keep that energy. Toronto had an awful Ben h last year . They have a way cheaper and better one this year. If Barrett plays like he does with team Canada/last season raps, and Scottie takes a leap.. raptors won’t be a bad team. Not elite, but not bad. They also have another pick, plus their own for next summer. I’m curious what they can get for BB and Boucher. Raptors were awful in rebounding and bench points.. they addressed both in this draft. if the rumours are true about koloko, I’d much rather have him than filipowski. Carlson is a lite version of him, and we don’t have a nut job wife/babysitter on our hands. All these players are going to be different under home court lights and knowing they have other plays to take most of the pressure. Ps got rid of Andrea Bargnani. lol don’t forget what he HAS done, don’t be so quick to criticize what he hasn’t.
@@mikebird5021he belongs in Utah with that weirdo bird of his. We don’t want that shit. He may be a terrible locker room guy with that kind of energy
@@Adam-um6iu all good points. Masai spoilt some of us Raptor fans who have been with the team for nearly 25 years
Gary is gone who will shoot the ball. This year draft is the worst.
Did you just call Poeltl an elite defender...shut up! He is a pilon on the perimeter.
Well he is a tall pilon.
They suck 😂
They missed every pick in this draft since 2019, but they made up for it we suck .next year coper flagg
So they missed on Scottie? Gradey? Koloko was good too until his health concerns.
try again this time in English
there is a reason jakobe fell to us. just because he was there doesnt make us smart for taking him. mogbo to appease barnes? i wudda been happier with filipowski and kolek then still take shead and chomche.
Ur a homer bro ... I luv the raps but this draft class did not look good at all. The worst of the bunch was Mogboo, looks like they drafted him cause he is Scotties boy 👎