Enter Sandman vs King Nothing (Metallica) | Mike The Music Snob

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    Today I look at Metallica's self plagiarism with Enter Sandman and King Nothing.
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  • @conormurphy4328
    @conormurphy4328 4 роки тому +1793

    Did you mean *AC/DC’s entire discography*

    • @Jack-bz6nj
      @Jack-bz6nj 4 роки тому +28

      Conor Murphy it's still good obvs

    • @MichaelBerthelsen
      @MichaelBerthelsen 4 роки тому +79

      I was gonna comment this, but then I realized it's not really what they do. They have just honed in on SUCH a specific style and stick to it (HARD) in almost everything they do. It's not really ripping off their own biggest hit, though...

    • @deepenwadhwa4027
      @deepenwadhwa4027 4 роки тому +7

      I literally thought the exact same thing in the first 2 min of the video

    • @Yenneffer
      @Yenneffer 4 роки тому +97

      Did you mean *the entirety of the pop music industry*

    • @deepenwadhwa4027
      @deepenwadhwa4027 4 роки тому +5

      @@Yenneffer Ahahahahahaha! Good one, cathartic even.

  • @pallbearer1175
    @pallbearer1175 4 роки тому +815

    “where’s your crown King Nothing” is a badass line tbh

    • @shmick6079
      @shmick6079 4 роки тому +39

      Jacob Ballance yeah, sure it’s not amazing poetry, but well delivered.

    • @l-wook
      @l-wook 4 роки тому +25

      Snob guy thinks it’s “would you crown king nothing?” ???

    • @thequintessential5503
      @thequintessential5503 4 роки тому +6

      Wheres your food king nothing

    • @JoeKoors
      @JoeKoors 4 роки тому +1

      Agreed

    • @Atte093
      @Atte093 4 роки тому +1

      "Gripping your pillow tight" is even better.

  • @EmperorTigerstar
    @EmperorTigerstar 4 роки тому +688

    The end of King Nothing even has James say “off to never never land....”

    • @dinounit67
      @dinounit67 4 роки тому +187

      For me that kinda means it’s a spiritual successor rather than a rip-off. Metallica clearly knew what they did. It wasn’t unintentional. Still rocks tho!

    • @rja9996
      @rja9996 4 роки тому +4

      Just came down to comment that lmao

    • @OnlyCualquiera
      @OnlyCualquiera 4 роки тому +22

      12:05

    • @angelosarmiento9511
      @angelosarmiento9511 4 роки тому +6

      EmperorTigerstar Believe it or not I never noticed till now and I’ve been listening to Metallica since I was little 😂 I about shit myself when I heard it for the first time 🤣🤣🤣

    • @benevolentwaffle7438
      @benevolentwaffle7438 4 роки тому +1

      EmperorTigerstar that’s a call back,

  • @randyeppyt
    @randyeppyt 4 роки тому +665

    The line is "Where's your crown King Nothing?". Despite all the striving, wishing and boasting the person has nothing.
    It's a kinda cool line. I don't think it's cringy.

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  4 роки тому +97

      I should have been more specific. It isn't the lyric that makes me cringe it's the way it was delivered melodically.

    • @trevorganoe748
      @trevorganoe748 4 роки тому +67

      Become The Knight I don’t think that’s cringy either. A bit cliched for them, sure, but it sounds satisfying to me since the other instruments drop out all at once.

    • @Rassalcon
      @Rassalcon 4 роки тому +53

      @@trevorganoe748 The line itself is nowhere near as cringy as ''we're off to never never land''

    • @warspitehms5334
      @warspitehms5334 4 роки тому +17

      If it would have been "would you crown king nothing" I would have cringed so hard.

    • @Xx_HD_xX
      @Xx_HD_xX 4 роки тому +7

      @@BecomeTheKnight I kinda see where you're coming from Mike. It seems like they're trying to squeeze it in while in Enter Sandman it flows perfectly well.

  • @putridabomination
    @putridabomination 4 роки тому +380

    Alternate title: How to summon Andriy Vasylenko.

  • @shmick6079
    @shmick6079 4 роки тому +87

    “King Nothing” was originally meant to be a sequel to “Enter Sandman” - hence the similarities, and the soft vocal in the outro “off to never never land”.

    • @RetrOchannel
      @RetrOchannel 4 роки тому +1

      Source...?

    • @shmick6079
      @shmick6079 4 роки тому +8

      RetrO you’re pushing your luck there.
      I saw/heard that in an interview years ago. I recall hearing or reading it again elsewhere since.

  • @dakotajensen181
    @dakotajensen181 4 роки тому +301

    On this episode of John Fogerty: how to plagiarize ones self

    • @gregdrb2413
      @gregdrb2413 4 роки тому +3

      YEEESSSS! Just made my day you nerd!

    • @nathangaspar4989
      @nathangaspar4989 4 роки тому +3

      Greg Drb is it even possible to plagiarize your own material?

    • @gregdrb2413
      @gregdrb2413 4 роки тому +6

      @@nathangaspar4989Practically not but basicaly John Fogerty got sued for plagiarizing a CCR song that he wrote I think it was "run through the jungle". But it was a dumb situation imo. Cheers

    • @paultomaszewski1964
      @paultomaszewski1964 4 роки тому +3

      @@gregdrb2413 You're correct, A former manager I think, tried to sue Fogerty for "The Old Man Down The Road" sounding like " Run Through the Jungle". He wrote both and if I'm correct, owned the rights as well to the CCR songs. It didn't go to far once everyone realized what was going on.

    • @gregdrb2413
      @gregdrb2413 4 роки тому +4

      @@paultomaszewski1964 he took his guitar to court and played both songs but no he did not own the rights at least not to all the songs

  • @aidanhickey9845
    @aidanhickey9845 4 роки тому +183

    Load and Reload are two really underrated albums. They have some great songs on them. Their biggest downfall is that they are a bit bloated. But other than that they're pretty solid.

    • @dmusiclife5727
      @dmusiclife5727 4 роки тому +18

      super ward If a completely different band wrote those albums they’re decent albums agreed. but from a band that wrote “Ride The Lightning” “AJFA” & “Master Of Puppets”‘ those albums are terrible.

    • @majaratti9031
      @majaratti9031 4 роки тому +14

      @@dmusiclife5727 you have a opinion i respect that but come on bleeding me fuel king nothing all great hits !!

    • @dmusiclife5727
      @dmusiclife5727 4 роки тому +9

      MaJ Fuel & King Nothing are great songs. actually the only two songs I like off those albums. But they set the bar way to high with their previous releases.

    • @dylandonis4590
      @dylandonis4590 4 роки тому

      super ward Despite not really caring about lyrics, they aren't also very great in those albums

    • @dmusiclife5727
      @dmusiclife5727 4 роки тому

      Dylan Donis The big 3 albums?

  • @rick.carr.guitar
    @rick.carr.guitar 4 роки тому +460

    I'm gonna just say it, Enter Sandman and King Nothing sound nothing alike

  • @johnjackson393
    @johnjackson393 4 роки тому +238

    I like the king nothing riff much better than enter sandman tbh

  • @ghsmith97
    @ghsmith97 4 роки тому +133

    The way that James says “off to never never land” makes me wonder if it was something he was making fun of. Like maybe they had pressure from the label to make an Enter Sandman clone to get record sales. I don’t know enough about Metallica to say whether or not that’s true but maybe something to think about.

    • @chupasaurus
      @chupasaurus 4 роки тому +3

      That's actually my question for a long time too!

    • @ehsanrahee7411
      @ehsanrahee7411 4 роки тому +2

      This makes the most sense to me.

    • @reaverofsouls
      @reaverofsouls 4 роки тому +10

      Maybe not so much the label but Bob Rock wanting another shot at making money.

    • @BroodingPsycho
      @BroodingPsycho 4 роки тому +15

      He said once in an interview that he played the song for a friend from another band and his friend said that the song is structurally identical to Enter Sandman, so he decided to put that "off to never never land" at the end as a homage to his own song.

    • @konebi420
      @konebi420 4 роки тому

      I can see this being plausible but I feel like they would of told the label to eat shit. Or I hope they would have

  • @sethherlinger
    @sethherlinger 4 роки тому +103

    Pretty much every metal band stole from Metallica so I suppose they should be allowed to steal from themselves

    • @kingofdragontown9680
      @kingofdragontown9680 4 роки тому +11

      And Metallica ripoffed Motorhead and Venom. Lars has admitted that, so don't come after me.

    • @JuanCarlos-ch8ix
      @JuanCarlos-ch8ix 4 роки тому +6

      Metallica ripedoff Dave mustaine songs

    • @smitty3456
      @smitty3456 4 роки тому

      Ace of Spades and Diamondhead too

    • @killemallmf7792
      @killemallmf7792 4 роки тому

      @@JuanCarlos-ch8ix zzzzzz

  • @michal26691
    @michal26691 4 роки тому +45

    Wasn't it "Where's your crown, King Nothing?"

  • @88fanforlife
    @88fanforlife 4 роки тому +107

    Kid: mom can we get Enter Sandman
    Mom: no we have Enter Sandman at home
    Lol on the real though King Nothing is a solid song

    • @diedrichfilms6437
      @diedrichfilms6437 4 роки тому +9

      I actually like king nothing more than enter sandman

  • @pallbearer1175
    @pallbearer1175 4 роки тому +33

    I never noticed how similar they were until i started playing guitar and tried to learn them both. I prefer King Nothing over Enter Sandman tbh. King Nothing is a banger

    • @thejoekage9499
      @thejoekage9499 Рік тому

      it's that lead riff on your way to the chorus, just the way it sets the tone and just winds into those bends, it's cool as fuck.

  • @echochamberdweller8403
    @echochamberdweller8403 4 роки тому +203

    Omg Metallica sounds like Metallica lol.... it's almost like the same band wrote both songs.

    • @Liece45
      @Liece45 4 роки тому +18

      ikr???
      that's really impressive!! i've listening to music for more than two decades, and I HAVE NEVER noticed it!!!! BANDS THAT HAVE A PECULIAR SOUND and make similar songs!!!
      it's just MIND BLOWING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      spread the news!!!
      OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @deransadventures
      @deransadventures 4 роки тому

      That isn't at all what this song is saying.

    • @davidgreen8768
      @davidgreen8768 4 роки тому +8

      Fuck I really hope he doesn’t do one of these for green day... he’ll be here till mid way through the next century comparing songs

    • @Liece45
      @Liece45 4 роки тому +5

      @@davidgreen8768 green day, ramones, foo fighters, ac/dc, iron maiden, kiss, slayer... the list goes on and on
      recipe: create a clickbait thumbnail and name for your video, add a great band to it and that's it... be controversial, make sure you will create a certain amount of polemic, just ramble about some overly known fact for some minutes, and you've made youtube content...
      ps: IMPORTANT - DO NOT FORGET to talk about it, like it was some crazy revelation

    • @beefnacos6258
      @beefnacos6258 4 роки тому +2

      @@Liece45 he acts like he's written hit songs.

  • @rangamsarmah2061
    @rangamsarmah2061 4 роки тому +33

    Eyyyyy. Kirk wrote both main riffs.

    • @rangamsarmah2061
      @rangamsarmah2061 4 роки тому +3

      @@el_huguito well..
      A) its an observation which i heard from a youtuber, and even tested out myself. whoever writes the main riff of a metallica song, is generally credited first in the crediting. e.g,: blackened has jason, ktulu has mustaine
      B) it is very similar to sandman, which also hammett wrote, and he just overall writes some of their catchiest riffs.
      C) kirk and lars were leading the load and reload sound direction and concept design, from the hard rock sounds to even the album covers, it was their idea, hence it is one of kirks most credited albums, and its the first album where kirk also records the riffs, since before load, all main riffs were recorded by james and then doubled.
      just makes the most sense to me.

  • @Pepsolman
    @Pepsolman 4 роки тому +32

    It’s called “signature sound”. They fill that signature sound it’s best heard with a certain pattern and tempo with familiar chord arrangement.

  • @KlaustheViking
    @KlaustheViking 4 роки тому +48

    Enter Sandman is sooo overplayed...
    But everytime I hear that riff start, I crank it up. It drives hard and I might as well call it a guilty pleasure, being not amongst my favorite Metallica songs.

  • @jordanlutz8307
    @jordanlutz8307 4 роки тому +81

    Pull Me Under and On the Backs of Angels are eerily similar. Structurally the same.

    • @jumonjichoo7070
      @jumonjichoo7070 4 роки тому +4

      Jordan Lutz both fantastic songs :D

    • @coda5934
      @coda5934 4 роки тому +6

      Under a glass moon and Lost not forgotten

    • @kevinstewart8120
      @kevinstewart8120 4 роки тому +10

      The entire “a dramatic turn of events” album is “images and words” part 2

    • @deepenwadhwa4027
      @deepenwadhwa4027 4 роки тому

      @UCGp5nMvKV-U-zZ2XYNy-lPg huh? I didn't notice that at all. Gotta listen to in the name of God again

    • @T1hitsTheHighestNote
      @T1hitsTheHighestNote 4 роки тому

      Was gonna suggest that.

  • @whosechiliisit1752
    @whosechiliisit1752 4 роки тому +73

    “Would you crown King Nothing” is a cringe line, fortunately he doesn’t say that

  • @TheMoris
    @TheMoris 4 роки тому +123

    Am I the only one who doesn't think they're similar at all?
    You played the main riffs and... yeah, no, they sound completely different. King Nothing uses several notes that Sandman doesn't, and like you said, they have different grooves. (And isn't that what makes riffs unique? Think of all the 000000000-riffs!)
    The Sandman pre-chorus riff is the opening riff modulated, and King Nothing has a completely different riff in a different key. How does that make them similar?
    The choruses are completely different.
    Wah-solo after chorus. Like every Metallica song.
    I guess the structures are kinda similar, but come on, that's a very common structure for a song. Why don't you talk about how Fade to Black, Sanitarium, One, etc are the same song? They're much more similar than these.

    • @HamsterCrusher13
      @HamsterCrusher13 4 роки тому +6

      Yeah they're pretty different

    • @greasedpretzel591
      @greasedpretzel591 4 роки тому +6

      a lot of truth in this comment

    • @JaxTheRiffer
      @JaxTheRiffer 4 роки тому +1

      Lol you're all deaf.

    • @skorpionmvv
      @skorpionmvv 4 роки тому +6

      It’s literally the exact same structure though

    • @mattyone78
      @mattyone78 4 роки тому +4

      @@JaxTheRiffer nothing to do with deafness, being there is only 8 notes in a chromatic scale, notes are going to be reused. The overall feel of both songs is rather different.

  • @EzioMonty117
    @EzioMonty117 4 роки тому +37

    Ride the Lightning vs Master of Puppets (the albums). Both are "nearly" identical structurally it's insane

    • @kafkapharnaum2690
      @kafkapharnaum2690 4 роки тому +14

      I was about to write just that. And even if And Justice... brought some new elements (which is why it's my favorite), a lot of that structure remained similar: Fight Fire and Battery became Blackened, Ride and Master became And Justice, Fade to Black and Sanitarium became One, For Whom the Bell Tolls and The Thing became Harvester of Sorrow, Damage Inc. became Dyer's Eve, plus the instrumentals, etc.
      (*Edit: meant to say Harvester of Sorrow, not The Shortest Straw XD)

    • @breadaholic6445
      @breadaholic6445 4 роки тому +4

      @@kafkapharnaum2690 it sucked that the bass was turned down in ajfa but id say it still as good as previous albums

    • @kafkapharnaum2690
      @kafkapharnaum2690 4 роки тому +3

      @@breadaholic6445 For sure. Even if obviously it's missing something, on the other hand it kinda gave it a really unique, clear and cutting sound

    • @breadaholic6445
      @breadaholic6445 4 роки тому +3

      @@kafkapharnaum2690 yeah its still one of my favorite albums because of the uniqueness of the sound

    • @breadaholic6445
      @breadaholic6445 4 роки тому +1

      @@kafkapharnaum2690 and quality

  • @brontsmoth671
    @brontsmoth671 4 роки тому +17

    This is variation on a theme and has been happening in music since... forever.

  • @JocaFus
    @JocaFus 4 роки тому +41

    And then there's Slither on Reload, aka Enter Sandman 3

    • @bishopm4401
      @bishopm4401 4 роки тому

      That’s where I thought he was going with this. Glad I’m not the only one that could hear the two songs being so similar lol

    • @shmick6079
      @shmick6079 4 роки тому

      I’ve never listened to Slither so closely. Will have to check it out again.

    • @bishopm4401
      @bishopm4401 4 роки тому

      Shmick ! Idk that it copies enter sandman’s structure and everything like king nothing but the riff just sounds like a shittier enter sandman

    • @ShinDSER
      @ShinDSER 4 роки тому +1

      Except that Slither fucking sucks, Sandman is good (but overplayed), and King Nothing is just badass.
      And that's coming from a guy who LOVES ReLoad. Bad Seed and Slither are the only two songs that I don't like on it.

  • @lclccl
    @lclccl 4 роки тому +170

    I prefer King Nothing
    *fight me*

    • @MetalDisciple97
      @MetalDisciple97 4 роки тому +11

      When I saw them back in 2015, King Nothing had a better audience participation than Enter Sandman. You're not alone

    • @DanielRodriguez-eh1qd
      @DanielRodriguez-eh1qd 4 роки тому +2

      I completely agree, I’ve always liked it lore and especially so since Sandman is over played.

    • @guitarman122508
      @guitarman122508 4 роки тому +1

      I like both, but I'll play King before Sandman any day. Both get me pumped, though.

    • @hotrodjmanofficial448
      @hotrodjmanofficial448 4 роки тому

      Agreed, man. Agreed.

    • @logancuda4624
      @logancuda4624 4 роки тому +1

      Totally agree with you there.

  • @conormurphy4328
    @conormurphy4328 4 роки тому +25

    5:47 *The E-police didn’t like that*

  • @alefaen
    @alefaen 4 роки тому +24

    Well who wouldnt want to earn double the money?

  • @waitindelaney
    @waitindelaney 3 роки тому +7

    As someone who writes riffs myself, sometimes you come up with alternate versions of riffs and they don't always get used, and then you can use them later if you want to. King Nothing riff could have very well been written during the creation of Enter Sandman and simply scrapped, only to be used later.

  • @markb3451
    @markb3451 4 роки тому +5

    I like both songs. I think it’s a nod to what got them to where they are. “Hey thanks for making us millions and giving us the freedom to explore new musical directions but here’s something familiar to let you know it’s still us.”

  • @ShrubPlays
    @ShrubPlays 4 роки тому +45

    King Nothing is better musically and lyrically.
    Don't bother to change my mind.

    • @ShinDSER
      @ShinDSER 4 роки тому +1

      Agreed.

    • @SK008
      @SK008 3 роки тому +4

      Lyrically for sure.... Musically I believe Enter Sandman hits harder... But it's a really close call between those two..

    • @_BlurryVision
      @_BlurryVision Рік тому

      Facks

  • @martinlarsen7354
    @martinlarsen7354 4 роки тому +30

    Wow - that's uncanny how close they actually are...

    • @conormurphy4328
      @conormurphy4328 4 роки тому +1

      King nothing sounds like the enter sandman cassette melted.

  • @humanoid251
    @humanoid251 4 роки тому +29

    “Kirk Wahmmett. I’m not talking shit I just think the meme is funny” same
    I can agree that the structure is almost exact but I can’t hear the similarities in the riffs. Maybe it’s cuz I’m musically inept but they still sound very different to me.
    And I for one think “where’s your crown king nothing” is pretty cool. Obviously Enter Sandman is way more intense and epic but I do like King Nothing

  • @metaloutlawguts2853
    @metaloutlawguts2853 4 роки тому +36

    King Nothing is very underrated. Sandman rules

    • @RasuS
      @RasuS 4 роки тому +1

      But Metallica stole Enter Sandman riff from Stone - Get Stoned

  • @angellrodriguezmontes8556
    @angellrodriguezmontes8556 4 роки тому +15

    I think the “clone” comes from the artist writing something they like. Maybe they cant recognize it but its sounds good to then because its familiar.

  • @antoniocenteno1483
    @antoniocenteno1483 4 роки тому +4

    Fade to black is Metallica´s most re used song though:
    Welcome Home
    One
    Unforgiven (Is a reverse of it)
    Unforgiven 2
    The Day that Never comes

  • @inthexis2088
    @inthexis2088 4 роки тому +4

    "When a band has a song that is commercially successful, they feel the need to rewrite it, and idk why"
    I think ya kinda answered your question there, Mike

  • @zzrGUY12
    @zzrGUY12 4 роки тому +6

    “Off to never never land” was all anyone needed to hear the first time around to put the two together.
    So Metallica sounds an awful lot like themselves.
    There’s was enough old Metallica on the load albums to keep me happy, and their experimental songs I liked and still enjoy today.
    SM2 Outlaw torn performance was pretty epic.

  • @soulknight5330
    @soulknight5330 6 місяців тому +1

    *Where’s your crown, King Nothing?* is the coolest line James ever wrote. It taunts narcissists. I will die on this hill.

  • @karpenoctem05
    @karpenoctem05 4 роки тому +3

    I remember reading an interview with Hetfield right after Load was released, and he specifically stated that King Nothing was a sequel to Enter Sandman. So the similarities were intentional, hence the "Off to Never-Neverland" line at the end of King Nothing.

  • @temporelucemtenebris5313
    @temporelucemtenebris5313 4 роки тому +5

    I actually find "where's your crown king nothing?" part to be really dope, and it's also the reason I like the song. Apart from that, cool video ;)

  • @AriaMohtadiHaghighi
    @AriaMohtadiHaghighi 4 роки тому +3

    Great video!
    Also:
    Dream No More = Sad But True + The Thing that Should Not Be
    Now that We're Dead = Eye of the Beholder + Devil's Dance
    And Metallica's not alone in releasing clones or (hopefully) improved versions of their works:
    Queen: Another One Bites the Dust = Fun It
    Nightwish: Elan = Nemo
    Dream Theater: A Dramatic Turn of Events = Images and Words

  • @TheMKM
    @TheMKM 4 роки тому +9

    They did the same thing with "One" and "The Day That Never Comes"

  • @sammoussa8
    @sammoussa8 4 роки тому

    Hey mike! When i first read the title of the video i was like “hmm interesting, never thought of it”, but you actually convinced me.
    I love your videos.. great content... rock on !!

  • @iansmith1369
    @iansmith1369 4 роки тому +9

    Unpopular opinion (maybe idk): King Nothing slaps 3x harder than Enter Sandman. Come at me.

    • @judythepunk461
      @judythepunk461 4 роки тому +1

      I agree. The whole black album is overrated as fuck.

    • @Maxjustmax3
      @Maxjustmax3 3 роки тому

      @@judythepunk461 I wouldn’t say the whole, but the main 5(sandman, sad, Unforgiven, roam, and matters) yeah, definitely.

  • @Upisdownhtx
    @Upisdownhtx 4 роки тому +11

    I guess that explains off to never never land at the end of King Nothing.

  • @cineris2389
    @cineris2389 4 роки тому +4

    WE could apply this to numerous Metallica tracks. Fade to black, Sanitarium, One..All have very similar progressions, Intros, verse vs chorus, lead based bridges between, all the way to the epic signature endings.

  • @atruedjentleman3491
    @atruedjentleman3491 4 роки тому +10

    “Expendable Youth” and “Skeletons of Society” by Slayer are pretty much the same riff.

    • @Stephaniemacfan
      @Stephaniemacfan 3 роки тому

      And are on the same album it confuses me every time I listen to seasons of the abyss. Slayer just uses the same riff over and over just listen to reign in blood.

  • @Jason17300
    @Jason17300 4 роки тому +71

    Try writing dozens and dozens of songs and keeping everything original and separate from other songs you’ve wrote.

    • @baileeparkes9316
      @baileeparkes9316 4 роки тому +2

      Jason I think it’s more how they are so blatant about ripping of their own material. It’s on the following album and they actually reference the original in the rip-off. That’s what makes it so incredible. I suppose you’ve got to give them points for honesty...

    • @johnbotelho3453
      @johnbotelho3453 4 роки тому +18

      @@baileeparkes9316 how are you "blatantly" ripping off your own material if you wrote it to begin with? That's part of being a song writer is that you can reuse an idea and create something new.

    • @justinsmith8628
      @justinsmith8628 4 роки тому +1

      I literally repeat riffs and ideas throughout all my bands albums to give a sense of cohesiveness and connectiveness. Nothing wrong with it.

    • @diedrichfilms6437
      @diedrichfilms6437 4 роки тому +2

      Okay but if you just take the main riff from another song of yours, slow it down, and give the "new" song a new chorus, that's a blatant ripoff. Unpopular opinion of mine: I actually like King Nothing 1,000x more than Enter Sandman, but that doesn't mean it's an original song. It's okay to reuse an idea, but being that blatant without acknowledgement is insane

    • @Stagelele
      @Stagelele 4 роки тому

      Death

  • @robbiegarnz7732
    @robbiegarnz7732 4 роки тому +7

    It actually sounds cool when you play the two riffs together!

  • @EliteGameDesign
    @EliteGameDesign 3 роки тому +1

    One possible explanation is that we like music more once it's familiar. Sometimes it gets too familiar and you lose interest. Hiding familiar elements from previous hits in a subtle manner gives fans instant recognition of that familiarity and sometimes nostalgia without consciously realizing it. This is often done within a song where the a simplified version of a future part of the song is woven into the intro so that when you hear the hook/chorus/lead/other part later on, your brain believes it's what it was wanting to hear. Another possible explanation is that bands play together a bunch and experiment with variations and one song can spark the idea for another one.

  • @TommyTrink
    @TommyTrink 4 роки тому

    Just started the video, but I gotta say you already get an A+ on concept, I’d love to see this as a series

  • @TheBlackKnight1o1
    @TheBlackKnight1o1 4 роки тому +39

    "Where's your crown King Nothing?" isn't any lamer than "Off to Never Never Land" tbh

    • @diedrichfilms6437
      @diedrichfilms6437 4 роки тому +5

      King Nothing has a fuckin kickass tagline if you ask me. Sandman doesn't. I legit cringe every time I hear "off to never never land" because it's genuinely very lame. And even though "where's you crown king nothing" isn't great on that front, it's still badass

  • @Zodicus
    @Zodicus 4 роки тому +4

    The most egregious example of this in my opinion was how Megadeth completely rehashed Blackmail The Universe for their latest album, Dystopia, with the song Lying In State.
    It aggravated me, to put it mildly.

  • @coloredmusic9207
    @coloredmusic9207 4 роки тому

    Honestly you got me really astonished because in the 90's I never thought about similarities.
    Both the songs worked fine for me, playing was fun and good to get my fingers warmed up for the real thrash stuff.
    In fact there are also similarities to the verse of "The Unforgiven III".
    But honestly, you find similarities in so many verses like "the memory remains" or "the unforgiven III", in my ears this is just the way of staying true to a style of songwriting.
    That means, you create lots of songs, you never put on the album, cause you need to filter those songs that don't match to your band.
    Both "Load" and "ReLoad" nearby totally composed in Eb stemming have been experimental, in a time, where Seattle grunge became a revolution against mainstream and metal got into a real crisis.
    My friends and I, all metalheads then thought that our beloved thrash/death/doom metal is going to die out.
    So before luck runs out, you compose the way it went best.
    You may see "until it sleeps" as close to "unforgiven I" as it is close to parts of "the day that never comes" or "fade to black".
    Listen to the recent album and you will hear some snare parts of "one"...
    There are lots of bands publishing albums with the same sound like before and way less variation in the compositions. But hey, that's the way of famous artists, they do what they want.
    But in the 90's it was also their way to stay in tune with the new situation.
    And they were creative: look at videos they then did (until it sleeps", "the memory remains"), but it was quite a long way to find back to thrash.
    When Robert Trujillo came into the band you find the band levelled up in every way. The got backwind live and improved their songwriting.
    So finally my conclusion is, that this is just the way of Metallica making music - it's their style.
    #Gabe Smith
    No pressure by the label, just survival

  • @samuelantonio6324
    @samuelantonio6324 4 роки тому +3

    Wait till this guy hears "Slither"

  • @thezaher
    @thezaher 4 роки тому +17

    Me: mom I want "Enter Sandman"
    Mom: we have enter sandman at home.
    Enter Sandman at home : King Nothing.

  • @DrewHollenback
    @DrewHollenback 4 роки тому +6

    I cant deny that they’re very similar, but i still like both songs

    • @MrParkerman6
      @MrParkerman6 4 роки тому +1

      I don't hear any similarities whatsoever.

  • @joking7520
    @joking7520 4 роки тому

    Hi Mike, love your channel man, I was wondering why do people sometimes use Eb rather than D#, is there a specific reason they use one over the other that I’m just not getting?

  • @geaux13saints56
    @geaux13saints56 4 роки тому +5

    I’m surprised you didn’t play the king nothing music video when you played the enter sandman one

  • @markreyes6850
    @markreyes6850 4 роки тому +4

    Woah it’s almost like they were written by the same band..

  • @didncozosksma4466
    @didncozosksma4466 3 роки тому +1

    Perhaps King Nothing is a spiritual prequel to Enter Sandman? The King goes from a metaphorical Nothing (yeah you boast and wish but you’re nothing) to now literal nothingness and all records of him are now dust in the wind that flies off to never land? In Enter Sandman, the King is forever haunted by nightmares while being reincarnated as a child in the forsaken place that is Never land?

  • @Thugzilla90
    @Thugzilla90 2 дні тому

    Allegedly, James half-heartedly confessed in a few interviews that King nothing was sort of a sarcastic comeback to those who worshiped the band from The Black album. I don't know how true that is, but that's the little piece I've got.

  • @kingofdragontown9680
    @kingofdragontown9680 4 роки тому +7

    I love people overanalyzing musical ideas from people who don't technically know all that they're doing.
    Also, you missed some of the vocal harmonies they both have.

  • @JamoboBorg
    @JamoboBorg 4 роки тому +3

    I'd assume it's one of 2 reasons: Either, 1 - they believe their first effort can be bettered, that whatever changes they've made artistically would allow for a more interesting sound or that a new version with different lyrics would fit their new album ie artistic reasons. The 2nd option is, it was popular and they want that popularity/money again

    • @merydoesstuff
      @merydoesstuff 3 роки тому

      If they wanted to make Enter Sandman 2 they would have made it, just like they did with The Unforgiven

  • @Hilariumosis
    @Hilariumosis 4 роки тому

    How would you have done/wrote the culmination of King Nothing? It's the title of the song so it's gotta be mentioned somewhere in the song and right at the end of the chorus is typically where you get the most emphasis on it for effect no?

  • @shyb7847
    @shyb7847 4 роки тому

    This is a good series idea. I knew these songs sounded similar but you breaking it down in detail is cool. Do you think the likeness has anything to do with higher ups pushing for a specific sound?

  • @SkullCrushersClub
    @SkullCrushersClub 4 роки тому +4

    Bro it’s “Where’s your crown King Nothing?” Not “Would you crown king nothing”. I know it’s not a huge difference but it’s slightly cooler

  • @OblivionZXZ
    @OblivionZXZ 4 роки тому +5

    Mike can you investigate how Enter sandman & Shepherd of fire are similar.

    • @metaldeth166
      @metaldeth166 4 роки тому +1

      Well it's because the whole Hail to the King album is sort of a tribute to Metallica's Black Album,that's what I've heard.

    • @whosechiliisit1752
      @whosechiliisit1752 4 роки тому +1

      AtheistZ This and also This Means War is their version of Sad But True

    • @RetrOchannel
      @RetrOchannel 4 роки тому +2

      @@metaldeth166 Not specifically the Black Album - just classic metal in general.

  • @theoverseer1716
    @theoverseer1716 4 роки тому

    Hey just asking, will you talk about Korn's The Nothing in the near future or is there nothing to say?

  • @yutostorm1
    @yutostorm1 4 роки тому

    Can someone tell me what song is in the background of mike's video i hear it every time and i want to know what's the damn song.

  • @chress98
    @chress98 4 роки тому +19

    Every +10min Iron Maiden Song

    • @rabidsquirrel4702
      @rabidsquirrel4702 4 роки тому +2

      bruh

    • @claudespeed13579
      @claudespeed13579 4 роки тому +11

      All of them are incredible tho

    • @britishnerd3919
      @britishnerd3919 4 роки тому +2

      Red and the black sounds different to empire of the clouds sounds different to rime of the ancient mariner

    • @robbie3612
      @robbie3612 4 роки тому +3

      @@britishnerd3919 That's kind of what I was thinking tbh. Sure, a lot of 10+ min Iron Maiden songs do sound kinda dull and samey, but you can't knock Rime of the Ancient Mariner, that song deserved every minute of its length.

    • @hudsonbarth5641
      @hudsonbarth5641 4 роки тому +1

      Rob i’d put Rime of the Ancient Mariner as Maiden’s second best song of all time. Only behind hallowed be thy name

  • @theheadbangguy5985
    @theheadbangguy5985 4 роки тому +3

    Did you see the S&M2? Thoughts(if you did)?

  • @thatzenki
    @thatzenki 4 роки тому +1

    Hey Mike, were you able to go to the S&M2 concert in theaters?

  • @diegomazzaron9191
    @diegomazzaron9191 Рік тому +2

    The Metallica Sandman trilogy is: Enter Sandman, King nothing and Slither.

  • @mr.smithgnrsmith7808
    @mr.smithgnrsmith7808 4 роки тому +3

    Where’s your crown King Nothing is an awesome line...

  • @Celio19891
    @Celio19891 4 роки тому +5

    It’s “Where’s your crown King Nothing” not “Would You Crown King Nothing”

  • @ronaldvandonald6240
    @ronaldvandonald6240 4 роки тому +2

    I never realized how similar the two songs are. Personally, I like King Nothing a lot more but that's just me. Great vid Mike.

  • @nodigits8507
    @nodigits8507 2 роки тому +1

    Orphan by Slipknot instantly comes to mind, it rips The Heretic Anthem off so hard lol.

  • @louisioannou6745
    @louisioannou6745 4 роки тому +5

    Opinion on S&M²?

    • @thedisabledviking
      @thedisabledviking 4 роки тому

      something iam confused about is that the youtube ad says in cinemas for one night only, but its been showing for almost a week, although not every single day

    • @conormurphy4328
      @conormurphy4328 4 роки тому +4

      SS&2(S&M)&MM

    • @bro-rm5xo
      @bro-rm5xo 4 роки тому

      @@conormurphy4328 your maths teacher would be proud

  • @barragu2
    @barragu2 4 роки тому +9

    Wow; I can hear how they sound....... nothing alike. And if they did sound similar; they're written by the same band. Have you listened to AC/DC.

  • @MarcusFenixKO
    @MarcusFenixKO 3 роки тому +2

    I always appreciate the fork lore type of songs that metallica made, they could do this same structure with Hansel & Gretel and Red Riding Hood and I’d love it just as much.

  • @onemangang5212
    @onemangang5212 4 роки тому +2

    The best example of this is the Scorpions "No one like you" and Rock you like a hurricane"

  • @peakcartoon
    @peakcartoon 4 роки тому +3

    1:29 Anyone else feel like mike has had to deal with this personally many (many) times... it's fine they'll come eventually Mike

  • @ammarD
    @ammarD 4 роки тому +5

    0-3-5.

  • @TheBlackQueen
    @TheBlackQueen 4 роки тому

    There is a condition called Cryptomnesia where someone forgets that they have seen, heard or made something before and later down the line, forgetting that that they already had experienced it.
    A hilarious example is of Aerosmith. Steven Tyler heard one of their songs on the radio and suggested to one of his bandmates that they do a cover of it, to which they notably responded "That's us, fuckhead!"
    I always love that story. Whether this is done in King Nothing, I'm not sure since the interval of the two songs is too short, but I am sure this is the case for a lot of other artists. This tends to happen with people with drug addictions or histories.
    EDIT; Forgot the ending line which kinda confirms this was done on purpose.

  • @redderpom
    @redderpom 4 роки тому

    I think Day That Never Comes duplicates One’s arrangement . Slower melodic ballad start, slight suspenseful pause with just drums, explodes into insane machine gun riff, takes off into meandering thrash ending with lots of solos interspersed. I love both songs, but they elicit very different emotions in me.

  • @pumpkinking422
    @pumpkinking422 4 роки тому +6

    I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED THAT;-P!!!

  • @grantkeen1059
    @grantkeen1059 4 роки тому +6

    King nothing because enter sandman is way to overplayed

  • @jeffreykoch122
    @jeffreykoch122 4 роки тому +2

    Hello! Keep up the good work buddy. Been here since 10k

  • @Greatsky
    @Greatsky 4 роки тому

    I think people don't understand how big Enter Sandman was. At the time, the beginning of the 90s, metal was dead. It had retreated underground. The Seattle scene was the big thing, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, etc etc.
    Then Metallica dropped the Black Album and the world went crazy. Metal was back, only this time it was bigger, and more commercial than ever. Only a year later, if you heard Enter Sandman on the radio you had heard it so many times up to that point that you were forced to change the station. It was beyond saturation point. That song and the album it was on changed music forever. There was some sonically intrinsic nerve that Enter Sandman had touched in all of us. Hidden in the chords, the melody, the verse and the rhythm was something that touched all who heard it. Im just conjecturing here, but King Nothing was probably an experiment to see if they could capture lightning in a bottle and repeat the whole thing all over again. And the scary thing is, it almost worked. Not to the levels of Sandman, but there is no denying that the song was popular at the time. I just think that by then, the magic was spread so thinly that there just wasn't enough to go around again. It was a worthwhile attempt, and who could blame them for trying, but by then joe public needed something else and just wasn't sure what was, just not King Nothing. That's my take on it anyway.

  • @ObscuredByCloud
    @ObscuredByCloud 4 роки тому +3

    "I don't know why they do this"
    Hey Mike, let me tell a story about this guy called MONEY!

    • @metalpuppet5798
      @metalpuppet5798 4 роки тому

      Sandman doesnt sound anything like King Nothing. Its in the same key but thats it

  • @benleach2931
    @benleach2931 4 роки тому +3

    Listen to Slither from reload. Sound exactly like enter sandman

  • @natespringer9934
    @natespringer9934 4 роки тому

    Just of note about the modulation point, F# and A are relative keys meaning that F#min is the same as Amaj and vice versa. What this relative keys thing actually means is that they share all of the same notes, Amaj and F#m have the exact same notes in the scale

  • @ne0hisda0ne
    @ne0hisda0ne Рік тому

    Totally similar. It came on XM radio in my truck and I instantly started singing Enter Sandman.

  • @aspecificafricanyamdish5271
    @aspecificafricanyamdish5271 4 роки тому +7

    Oh hello. Kinda roomy in here 👀

  • @RasuS
    @RasuS 4 роки тому +12

    Metallica stole Enter Sandman riff from Stone - Get Stoned

    • @ozsaatana5949
      @ozsaatana5949 4 роки тому

      really?

    • @RasuS
      @RasuS 4 роки тому +2

      @@ozsaatana5949 ua-cam.com/video/yWHlr3U_s8Q/v-deo.html

    • @ozsaatana5949
      @ozsaatana5949 4 роки тому +1

      @@RasuS that actually sounds very similar

    • @Supervideo1491
      @Supervideo1491 4 роки тому

      What about the intro of Tapping into the Emotional Void by Excel?

    • @RasuS
      @RasuS 4 роки тому

      @@Supervideo1491 Wasn't it released in 1989 and Get Stoned was released in 1988

  • @mattdowds8505
    @mattdowds8505 4 роки тому

    I've noticed similarities in parts of a couple of Pantera songs, "Hold your mouth for the war, use it for what it's for"/"Drag the waters some more, like never before" & in a small part of the solos of Walk & Underground In America

  • @Defensive_Wounds
    @Defensive_Wounds 4 роки тому

    I had a feeling something was off all along about King Nothing that felt familliar but I never worked it out! Thanks for this video man...

  • @jamaisvu8365
    @jamaisvu8365 4 роки тому +3

    King nothing: hey can I copy your homework
    Enter sandman: yah sure just don’t make it too obvious!!!!!!!!
    King nothing: 😏😏😏😏