People still passing judgement on a 14yr old girl. It was 1958, not the times of MeToo. She was trying to survive. Traumatized and threatened. Remember Patty Hearst? She was held prisoner and raped. She went along because our survival instinct kicks in. Caril was just a girl trying to survive. The prosecutor and judge should be disbarred for encouraging communication between the two of them. It’s illegal but yet he wrote her a letter on the judges stationary. He changed his story after she wrote him back. What in the hell is wrong with them letting him write her? Everyone involved in that case lied and harmed that girl as much as Starkweather did. Shame on all of them.
Actually, Starkweather had already started to blame her prior to the written communication between them. He had written his note on the Scottsbluff county jail wall 2 days after they were arrested. He was already blaming her for the murders of Mrs.Ward and her maid. There are pictures of this note in many of the books.
Grandpa Fink worked as a state patrol trooper for state of nebraska, and dad meet her during work release program. Asked their opinions, they said she was innocent girl who got caught up with bad guy. I asked, about evidence she helped in crimes, and dad agreed he thought she did do some, mostly under influence charles starweather. She had sad life, she married man lot older and was banned from coming back to state of NE
My children are step great grandchildren of Caril. I lived with Tom Clair when his dad Fred married Caril. He was very suspicious of her at first. But after spending a lot of time with them he just would say he's happy his dad found someone that makes him happy. I never met her but from everything I've heard she's nothing but a genuine sweet person.
The main reason people thought she was guilty, was because she didht break down crying like a young girl suppose to. She put up a tough, cold front, and at the time she looked older, talked older and people thought she was guilty based on her appearance and personality. People didn’t take in mind she was 14 in shock, possibly suffering from ptsd. She was treating badly by the courts, and it made her act cold, no one was around to truly hear her or help her, that wouldn’t happened now. I don’t know why people thought she was a criminal mastermind at 14. When it was made up in his mind to be a killer before Caril. Everyone grieves differently. I’m not tough but in front of the public I act like it. Caril never been involved in crime before him nor after. She wasn’t a juvenile delinquent. Even in prison, she had such a good record, she was allowed furloughs into town because they knew she’d come back. So how could she come a evil criminal then become good???
if she was so innocent, why was she wearing the coat of a dead woman? And commenting “isn’t it a beautiful coat?” she was a sociopath and a psychopath. She belong in prison forever.
Her story has never changed his changed at least 10 different times before they executed him he wrote in his official first confession when they were brought in he wrote she was not involved with the killings that she was his hostage he only changed after she refused to see him and he heard that she was telling the authorities that he was crazy that's where all his outrageous accusations against her came out of
For 1 He said they had sexual relations in the house with her dead family members in the shed Lie 1 They put that girl through all kinds of embarrassing exams and turned out Caril had not had sex with Starkweather or anyone she was a virgin so this wild insatiable girl was lies from Charlie . And she could not have been involved in the murder of her family he claimed that she was in her bedroom with the television up real loud so she couldn't hear anything going on But She Had Witnesses that place her at school that day including the one who signed her in that morning and the kid or kids who walked her home that afternoon so it was documentated that she was in school when her mom and stepdad and baby sister were murdered then he lied to her and tells her that they are being held somewhere by friends of his and if she did what he told her her family would be ok but if she defied him or tried to call for help he would send a message to the friends and her family would be killed so she stayed in her own house locked up with him and why she turned away people who came to check on the family he was standing behind the door with a rifle as she told her grandma and older sister that everyone was sick and not to come in
@@Mouse01011 She was with a psychopath she is in her 70s now and her story remains consistent where he told 10 different stories before he was executed
Caril was convicted squarely on the words of a known pathological lying admitted Serial Killer Charles Starkweather's unreliable testimony got Caril convicted little to no evidence tying her to any of the murders other than she was there existed@@Mouse01011
If you have paramount plus with showtime added as well I know it's on that app I would imagine it might be on the regular showtime app as well but I'm not sure
Look on line. American Justice covered this case. There is a documentary about the crimes 30 years later. The Lincoln Star has many of their articles online. The trial transcripts are available at the Nebraska historical society.
@@Mouse01011 I think a 13 year old going through psychological shock would probably say a lot of things that seem disconnected. That's one of the textbook symptoms of psychological shock. We know this happens, it's indisputable. There are countless documented instances of this happening. And peer reviewed studies. You can't discount that. And without there being any physical evidence she committed any of the murders, you can't say she did it. It's possible she did but I highly doubt it.
You would convict a 14 year old solely based on the words of a serial killer? Even though there isn't a shred of evidence to point to her guilt? Not to mention the prosecutor was hiding evidence.
@@poisonduckee What evidence did the prosecutors hide? She was only tried on the Jensen case, like Starkweather. The jury didn't put much weight on his testimony as he embellished his story every time he told it. The only evidence that I came across that was not made officially public involved things found at her mother's home and her actions at the Ward home.
@@poisonduckee Reading her testimony. The testimony of witnesses, and no, nothing Starkweather said influenced me. I was 16 and believed she was railroaded until I had the opportunity to talk with some of the officers on the scenes. Looking at the pictures and the details they pointed out, I slowly became convinced that she wasn't a victim. The real victims of these events are getting forgotten in this newest chapter of this story. No one speaks for the dead.
Great series. Should have been two hours instead of four but well done otherwise. Amazing story of courage and tenacity. Pretty convincing argument that Caril Fugate was an innocent victim too. She should be given a pardon immediately.
@@cato451 did you know Starkweather passed a lie detector implicating her. She refused to take one. did you know she was left alone multiple times and never took the chance to escape. Did you know when she was caught she had newspaper clippings of there crimes in her coat pocket. The coat of one of the murder victims. for a future scrapbook. And they included the murder of mother, stepfather and little sister. That she claimed she didn’t know they were dead. Did you know they had sex twice A day. And four times on Sunday. Not only did they leave these facts out of the documentary they also openly lie in it.
@@highjinxwillie62 all very good points that should have been part of the documentary. That said, she was 14 years old. Completely incapable of understanding the full extend of what was going on. She was raped and being held captive. It’s impossible for you to know what you would have done under the same circumstances. BTW she also too lie detector tests and passed so those are useless now aren’t they?
@@cato451 she took a lie detector test 20 years later and was only asked three basic questions. Did you know in the wards house Starkweather took a 2 hour nap. While fugate sat around eating 🥣. She could have left the house with Mrs. ward and the maid and walked right next door and call the police. Did you know that Starkweather and fugate both refused to talk about the mutilation of carol king’s body. Did you know the autopsy of king’s body, the coroner believed their was 2 different knives used. One knife used to mutilate her top private parts and another used to mutilate the bottom private parts. That means Starkweather and fugate both did it. In many experts opinion. Including mine. Did you know in her testimony fugate addmited she was holding the 410 shot gun to the back of Robert jensons head. And she admitted to taking money out of Robert Jensons billfold. A whooping 4 dollars. That she later used to buy Pepsi and chewing gum. Believe me I read 3 non bias books on this case. Everything I just mentioned is known facts and it was all left out of this one sided affair.
she had to known about her parents being murdered why would she not open the door for the people who came to the house and run away with charles... common sense would tell if you did not see your mother father and baby sister he had to have done something.. she is lying...
He Was Standing Behind The Door Holding A Gun On Her Ordering Her To Lie To Anyone Who Came Knocking And He had Told Caril That The Family Was Ok But Being Held By Friends Of His And If She Did As Told He Would Release Them But If She Tried To Alert Help He Would Make A Call And They Would Be Killed@@OneWayJesus777-x2n
She was in School The Day Her Family Was Murdered She Had To Signed in At The Front Desk And The Friend That Walked Her Home After School Are Both Witnesses That She Was Not Present When Her Family Was Killed
Just started and says she is 76? Been in prison for 60 years. Asking for pardon. My thought, let her out. She was a juvenile at time of crimes and now old. What point keeping her in? Certainly not to protect society from her or fear she will reoffend. This is just spiteful.
So if she and her man went and sent some of your relatives to the graveyard, would you be fine with it? I always say, because of people's liberal attitudes - or being taken in by the thought that females are nurturing and cannot do evil, the mob and drug dealers should always hire female hit men! They will do little to no time.
So, I’m watching right now, and I realize this is really trivial compared to the subject matter but it’s annoying me. The opening sequence is a montage of the movies this true crime inspired. All appropriate. Except one. Did the director actually ever see true romance??? It has NO connection. Kalifornia, yes. NBK, OF Course. And Badlands, etc. But True Romance??? Is it just because QT wrote it too??? Maybe it’s because I love that movie so much. And it has such an innocence at its heart. For all the badness and violence it’s not who those two characters are. It’s really annoying me. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
she went with him to all the states and cities he went to and knew about the couple that got murdered she had all that time to run away then but she chose not too. i think if she had opened that door to police and let them know about him... he do prison time and not die in electric chair. because at that time he only killed one person the gas attendant guy
If the "Law" had not railroaded her and omitted evidence & not let witness' speak on her behalf, she never would have seen a single day in prison...instead this brave little girl served the time, gave her pound of flesh and tried to move on....no ...the press wouldnt let her move on!!! SHAME!! Caril DESERVES a FULL pardon and compensation for her lost life...and she did lose her entire life to this animals lies and the crooked justice system..even at the pardon hearing that judge refusing to hear anything...Injustice!! I Believe you Caril Fugate and you deserve Justice!!
Complaining because she got caught or voicing out the truth that she was a FOURTEEN year old girl who lived in fear that your her family was going to be killed by a maniac. This documentary exists and was made because of minds like yours
People still passing judgement on a 14yr old girl. It was 1958, not the times of MeToo. She was trying to survive. Traumatized and threatened. Remember Patty Hearst? She was held prisoner and raped. She went along because our survival instinct kicks in. Caril was just a girl trying to survive. The prosecutor and judge should be disbarred for encouraging communication between the two of them. It’s illegal but yet he wrote her a letter on the judges stationary. He changed his story after she wrote him back. What in the hell is wrong with them letting him write her? Everyone involved in that case lied and harmed that girl as much as Starkweather did. Shame on all of them.
Actually, Starkweather had already started to blame her prior to the written communication between them. He had written his note on the Scottsbluff county jail wall 2 days after they were arrested. He was already blaming her for the murders of Mrs.Ward and her maid. There are pictures of this note in many of the books.
He was angry because she refused to see him@@BgDgMMK9
Grandpa Fink worked as a state patrol trooper
for state of nebraska, and dad meet her during
work release program. Asked their opinions,
they said she was innocent girl who got caught
up with bad guy. I asked, about evidence she
helped in crimes, and dad agreed he thought
she did do some, mostly under influence
charles starweather. She had sad life, she
married man lot older and was banned from
coming back to state of NE
My children are step great grandchildren of Caril. I lived with Tom Clair when his dad Fred married Caril. He was very suspicious of her at first. But after spending a lot of time with them he just would say he's happy his dad found someone that makes him happy. I never met her but from everything I've heard she's nothing but a genuine sweet person.
And yet she went back to Nebraska on visits despite her parole agreement of not to return.
The main reason people thought she was guilty, was because she didht break down crying like a young girl suppose to. She put up a tough, cold front, and at the time she looked older, talked older and people thought she was guilty based on her appearance and personality. People didn’t take in mind she was 14 in shock, possibly suffering from ptsd. She was treating badly by the courts, and it made her act cold, no one was around to truly hear her or help her, that wouldn’t happened now. I don’t know why people thought she was a criminal mastermind at 14. When it was made up in his mind to be a killer before Caril. Everyone grieves differently. I’m not tough but in front of the public I act like it. Caril never been involved in crime before him nor after. She wasn’t a juvenile delinquent. Even in prison, she had such a good record, she was allowed furloughs into town because they knew she’d come back. So how could she come a evil criminal then become good???
if she was so innocent, why was she wearing the coat of a dead woman? And commenting “isn’t it a beautiful coat?” she was a sociopath and a psychopath. She belong in prison forever.
Her story has never changed his changed at least 10 different times before they executed him he wrote in his official first confession when they were brought in he wrote she was not involved with the killings that she was his hostage he only changed after she refused to see him and he heard that she was telling the authorities that he was crazy that's where all his outrageous accusations against her came out of
For 1 He said they had sexual relations in the house with her dead family members in the shed Lie 1 They put that girl through all kinds of embarrassing exams and turned out Caril had not had sex with Starkweather or anyone she was a virgin so this wild insatiable girl was lies from Charlie . And she could not have been involved in the murder of her family he claimed that she was in her bedroom with the television up real loud so she couldn't hear anything going on But She Had Witnesses that place her at school that day including the one who signed her in that morning and the kid or kids who walked her home that afternoon so it was documentated that she was in school when her mom and stepdad and baby sister were murdered then he lied to her and tells her that they are being held somewhere by friends of his and if she did what he told her her family would be ok but if she defied him or tried to call for help he would send a message to the friends and her family would be killed so she stayed in her own house locked up with him and why she turned away people who came to check on the family he was standing behind the door with a rifle as she told her grandma and older sister that everyone was sick and not to come in
@@Mouse01011 She was with a psychopath she is in her 70s now and her story remains consistent where he told 10 different stories before he was executed
Caril was convicted squarely on the words of a known pathological lying admitted Serial Killer Charles Starkweather's unreliable testimony got Caril convicted little to no evidence tying her to any of the murders other than she was there existed@@Mouse01011
Being from Douglas, Wyoming, I had no idea about this docuseries. I look forward to seeing it sometime.
She was guilty as hell. She's only getting her story revised because of our current "woman is always a victim" politics.
Does anyone know when the 12 victim will be on again from the beginning because I missed all 4 of them on showtime?
If you have paramount plus with showtime added as well I know it's on that app I would imagine it might be on the regular showtime app as well but I'm not sure
Hulu
On now free with Paramount+ on/with Showtime
More photos and videos?
Look on line. American Justice covered this case. There is a documentary about the crimes 30 years later. The Lincoln Star has many of their articles online. The trial transcripts are available at the Nebraska historical society.
She did it, not a victim.
There's no evidence she did anything
@@poisonduckee would an innocent person wear a dead women’s coat? and gleefully say “isn’t this a beautiful coat?”
@@Mouse01011 I think a 13 year old going through psychological shock would probably say a lot of things that seem disconnected. That's one of the textbook symptoms of psychological shock. We know this happens, it's indisputable. There are countless documented instances of this happening. And peer reviewed studies. You can't discount that. And without there being any physical evidence she committed any of the murders, you can't say she did it. It's possible she did but I highly doubt it.
Poor Caril...Poor poor Caril....such a victim!! that's what this series is trying to convey....
I'm sorry I felt no pity for Caril.
You would convict a 14 year old solely based on the words of a serial killer? Even though there isn't a shred of evidence to point to her guilt? Not to mention the prosecutor was hiding evidence.
@@poisonduckee What evidence did the prosecutors hide? She was only tried on the Jensen case, like Starkweather. The jury didn't put much weight on his testimony as he embellished his story every time he told it. The only evidence that I came across that was not made officially public involved things found at her mother's home and her actions at the Ward home.
@@BgDgMMK9 I'm not asking if there was any evidence. I'm asking, what specific evidence convinced you?
@@poisonduckee Reading her testimony. The testimony of witnesses, and no, nothing Starkweather said influenced me. I was 16 and believed she was railroaded until I had the opportunity to talk with some of the officers on the scenes. Looking at the pictures and the details they pointed out, I slowly became convinced that she wasn't a victim. The real victims of these events are getting forgotten in this newest chapter of this story. No one speaks for the dead.
Anybody seen "The Frighteners"?
Great series. Should have been two hours instead of four but well done otherwise. Amazing story of courage and tenacity. Pretty convincing argument that Caril Fugate was an innocent victim too. She should be given a pardon immediately.
a total puff piece....
@@davidwright873 Please clarify. I found it a powerful indictment of bad police work
@@cato451 did you know Starkweather passed a lie detector implicating her. She refused to take one. did you know she was left alone multiple times and never took the chance to escape. Did you know when she was caught she had newspaper clippings of there crimes in her coat pocket. The coat of one of the murder victims. for a future scrapbook. And they included the murder of mother, stepfather and little sister. That she claimed she didn’t know they were dead. Did you know they had sex twice A day. And four times on Sunday. Not only did they leave these facts out of the documentary they also openly lie in it.
@@highjinxwillie62 all very good points that should have been part of the documentary. That said, she was 14 years old. Completely incapable of understanding the full extend of what was going on. She was raped and being held captive. It’s impossible for you to know what you would have done under the same circumstances. BTW she also too lie detector tests and passed so those are useless now aren’t they?
@@cato451 she took a lie detector test 20 years later and was only asked three basic questions. Did you know in the wards house Starkweather took a 2 hour nap. While fugate sat around eating 🥣. She could have left the house with Mrs. ward and the maid and walked right next door and call the police. Did you know that Starkweather and fugate both refused to talk about the mutilation of carol king’s body. Did you know the autopsy of king’s body, the coroner believed their was 2 different knives used. One knife used to mutilate her top private parts and another used to mutilate the bottom private parts. That means Starkweather and fugate both did it. In many experts opinion. Including mine. Did you know in her testimony fugate addmited she was holding the 410 shot gun to the back of Robert jensons head. And she admitted to taking money out of Robert Jensons billfold. A whooping 4 dollars. That she later used to buy Pepsi and chewing gum. Believe me I read 3 non bias books on this case. Everything I just mentioned is known facts and it was all left out of this one sided affair.
she had to known about her parents being murdered why would she not open the door for the people who came to the house and run away with charles... common sense would tell if you did not see your mother father and baby sister he had to have done something.. she is lying...
He told her they were being held hostage somewhere else. If she let anyone in he would have them murdered.
all those murders could have been prevented
He Was Standing Behind The Door Holding A Gun On Her Ordering Her To Lie To Anyone Who Came Knocking And He had Told Caril That The Family Was Ok But Being Held By Friends Of His And If She Did As Told He Would Release Them But If She Tried To Alert Help He Would Make A Call And They Would Be Killed@@OneWayJesus777-x2n
She was in School The Day Her Family Was Murdered She Had To Signed in At The Front Desk And The Friend That Walked Her Home After School Are Both Witnesses That She Was Not Present When Her Family Was Killed
Charles Starkweather killed her family to get back at Caril for actually breaking up with him a week before the murders
After seeing this series, I’m 100% convinced she’s innocent
Some people are easily brainwashed. She was guilty as hell.
No she isn't@@karlyoung5089
You're the innocent
Just started and says she is 76? Been in prison for 60 years. Asking for pardon. My thought, let her out. She was a juvenile at time of crimes and now old. What point keeping her in? Certainly not to protect society from her or fear she will reoffend. This is just spiteful.
She was released in 1976. But by now you've finished the miniseries and learned that.
So if she and her man went and sent some of your relatives to the graveyard, would you be fine with it? I always say, because of people's liberal attitudes - or being taken in by the thought that females are nurturing and cannot do evil, the mob and drug dealers should always hire female hit men! They will do little to no time.
So, I’m watching right now, and I realize this is really trivial compared to the subject matter but it’s annoying me. The opening sequence is a montage of the movies this true crime inspired. All appropriate. Except one. Did the director actually ever see true romance??? It has NO connection. Kalifornia, yes. NBK, OF Course. And Badlands, etc. But True Romance??? Is it just because QT wrote it too??? Maybe it’s because I love that movie so much. And it has such an innocence at its heart. For all the badness and violence it’s not who those two characters are. It’s really annoying me. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Well it’s about a couple who are in love that kill people so I guess you can take that however you want it.
She was just as guilty as her boyfriend.She knew what she was getting herself into.These people are evil.
No she wasn't guilty they convicted her on his lies
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no
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she went with him to all the states and cities he went to and knew about the couple that got murdered she had all that time to run away then but she chose not too. i think if she had opened that door to police and let them know about him... he do prison time and not die in electric chair. because at that time he only killed one person the gas attendant guy
What was she supposed to do he was on her constantly even when he was asleep if she moved he would wake up
@@aprilgosa5779 what about when police went to the door a few times she could have said he was in there!! she had plenty of time to get help!!
If the "Law" had not railroaded her and omitted evidence & not let witness' speak on her behalf, she never would have seen a single day in prison...instead this brave little girl served the time, gave her pound of flesh and tried to move on....no ...the press wouldnt let her move on!!! SHAME!! Caril DESERVES a FULL pardon and compensation for her lost life...and she did lose her entire life to this animals lies and the crooked justice system..even at the pardon hearing that judge refusing to hear anything...Injustice!! I Believe you Caril Fugate and you deserve Justice!!
It broke my heart to see the hell she went through. He got the easy out while she was treated like a criminal. She was a victim!!
64 years ago. Still complaining because she got caught. Anybody remember the real victims?
Complaining because she got caught or voicing out the truth that she was a FOURTEEN year old girl who lived in fear that your her family was going to be killed by a maniac. This documentary exists and was made because of minds like yours
She was a victim too
@@cato451 how so?
@@misstreas84 she was kidnapped, raped, imprisoned, and her parents were murdered by a sociopath.
@@cato451 wow, I did not know of this story at all, however now I just may give it a watch- thanks!