Worth The Hype? CSS Criton 1TD bookshelf speaker review.
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- Опубліковано 3 лют 2023
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CSS Criton 1TD: www.css-audio.com/online-stor...
Test Equipment:
Preamp & Power Amplifiers:
Kinki Studio EX-P7: www.kinki-studio.com/ex-p7
Kinki Studio EX-B7 mono blocks: www.kinki-studio.com/ex-b7
Hegel H190: www.hegel.com/en/products/int...
Emotiva TA2: emotiva.com/collections/pre-a...
Galion TS120 SE: www.galion-audio.com/collecti...
Source: Bluesound Node 2i
www.crutchfield.com/p_813NODE...
(all music is hi-res streamed from Tidal)
DAC: Denafrips Ares II or Venus2
www.vinshineaudio.com/product...
Speaker & Power Cables: Maze Audio Ref4
www.mazeaudio.com/speaker-cabl...
(rest in peace Kent)
Interconnect Cables:
Analysis Plus Oval One RCA
Oyaide Tunami Terzo XX V2 XLR
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Really enjoyed your single take approach with lots of direct comparisons. Bit of a breath of fresh air and an interesting addition to the audio other guys - and namechecking them is cool. Thanks, Alex, Brighton UK
Glad you enjoyed it!
I built the X version with the upgraded crossovers and love them. Previously I had several pairs of $500 - $800 speakers (Klipsch, Elac, JBL) and was gradually upgrading the front end. Better pre-amp, not much difference. Better amp, not much difference. Better DAC, not much difference. Then I added these to the system and holy moly, THAT'S what everyone was talking about! Putting together a second setup downstairs and might go with the regular TD version to save a few bucks. I spent way more than $30 on wood clamps - that was a serious hidden cost, nice job pointing that stuff out. Great vid as always.
I built the 1TDX with upgraded crossovers and have them paired with a Vincent SV700 hybrid integrated. The amp will put out 50 watts in class A. It's a great pairing and gives me chills every time I listen. The woofer on these speakers is something really special and will shock you with not only quality of bass but how low it can go.
Yeah, they are legit. I got the 2TDX MTM center channel too. Pure sweetness.
Great review! Worth checking out.
Awesome review especially the comparisons 👏👍.
Love CSS, I built the 2TD-x. Yes not the same model but love these speakers. Never shrill, great for hours of listening. Amazing bass.
Great video on a fantastic speaker. The more who know about this kit the better. I built my 1TDX with the upgraded crossover and they sound better than my Wharfedale Lintons. As you have found, built correctly, these Criton are superior to most speakers under $3k. Not to mention, the satisfaction of building something that is unique to your own specific taste can be very rewarding. I power mine with the Yamaha A-S801, which with the Yamaha’s clarity and neutrality, compliment the Critons quite well. Keep the videos coming!
I second the pairing of the AS801 with the Criton TDX with the superior crossover. That is what I run mine with, and there is great synergy there.
Phenomenal review! So much great information.
Glad it was helpful!
Great review man, seems like this is just a great speaker to have in rotation regardless of price. I may get one built from them with all the mods! Just need a Galion after too ❤️
Awesome review, and I'm so glad you reached out to see what the problem was versus just trashing them unfairly.
Yeah I'm pretty stubborn so I don't ever just give up or assume its bad, especially when everyone else likes it. I guess stubborness can be good sometimes lol.
True, most manufacturers aren't going to admit in their advertising that their speakers are hard to drive.
“Audiophile Heaven!” Loved that bro! Great explanation of your sound preference(s)! Later! ❤️💪🏽🎶🙏🏽‼️
This is a story that needed to be told. What an excellent compliment to the videos that are already out on these speakers. Thanks Nemo! Would you consider a review of the GR Research XL-S Encore bookshelf?
Glad you enjoyed it!
Ive been looking for a speaker with a very relaxed upper midrange and highs, im so happy you commented on that, thank you! im sold! plus now that the Xs came out it looks like the price went down a bit
Great review, and relevant. I've been considering a pair with the upgraded crossover and would love to hear your evaluations with and without.
I will bro, I'll have a future video where I do the X upgrade :)
I built these but consider taking it to the next level with the CSS Bass Add On. You will be amazed. Fantastic bass, better that the two 12 in powered subs I had previously.
Another top notch review nemo!
thank you!
Great story, great review and I had a smile on my face with your nonchalant attitude towards haters/dicks at the end.
ahahaha, thanks man, thats my way to rooting out the toxic people because they're the ones that will get offended by that statement lol.
I bought the 1TD-X at Thanksgiving and absolutely love them. I have Klipsch RB 61ii’s and Klipsch Fortes and I like these even better. The don’t sound great on my NAD C388, but sound amazing on my $80 Fosi audio TB10.
How would you describe the tweeter on the 1TD-X? I like my highs a little on the bright side, and seeing you go from Klipsch to Critons knowing the Klipsch are definitely on the bright side, I'/m guessing the 1TDX isn't too warm?
I love basssss! I don't know why, it just makes me feel good. Anyways this channel suits me well. One of the best speaker review ever IMO. Thanks
thank you for the kind words my man!
I built a pair for my daughter for Christmas. 1TDX with upgraded crossovers. And I paid a friend who is a professional woodworker to veneer them, which cost more than expected. Total ran a bit over $2k, but I was all in on giving her an excellent speaker, built by her dad as something to keep from now on. I haven’t listened to these without the upgrades so I can’t say if it’s worth the difference. I can say that this is the best small to mid-sized speaker I’ve ever heard. Bass extension is amazing for the size. Mid range is realistic, warm, and musical. Tweeters are great as far as I can tell (and as I’ve been told), but I’m older so my hearing only works to around 10khz. For $2k you might be able to buy something comparable, but not decidedly better (opinion, obviously).
If you’re not set up with a wood shop, or have someone who will do it cheap or for free, I suggest a prefinished veneer-like covering that you can apply yourself. I spent way too much on that part. Ratcheting tie-down straps will work as well as clamps. Ask for extra foam when you order- I had to improvise.
Daughter loves them btw.
wow! father of the year over here! I hope she loves them tremendously!! I wish I had something like that from my dad, it's one of those things that I think I'd grow to appreciate more & more as time goes on but my pops is long gone and he couldn't assmble an ikea table to save his life :)
I built three sets including X. They are excellent speakers and if you are good at making things you are going to be rewarded with great sound but know your limits. You can screw these up if you are not good making things You can get cheap clamps and tools at Harbor freight. UA-cam videos tell you how to veneer wood. I had never done veneer and did a good job watching videos. Do not use self adhesive veneer. Use the method of ironing on the veneer with wood glue. Easier is to use a good sealing and fill primer, sand everything smooth and paint them.
Are the X's worth the price premium?
@@ac7183 I thought so. Smoother cleaner top end.
The X model is only $225 more for better tweezers, so I’d say definitely yes on that. But the upgraded crossovers are $400. I bought them because I decided to go all the way for my daughter (gifted to her). I haven’t heard the standard crossover so can’t say how pronounced the difference is exactly. I’ve heard that it’s significant.
Great review! Part of the reward and joy of a DIY project is the building process and resulting connection - getting a shitty second hand pair is … not really what it’s about, but I guess you found that out :)
Also please get your hands on 1TD-X with upgraded crossover
I will bro, I'll have a future video where I do the X upgrade :)
These guys are right down the street from me, literally. I have been eyeballing these for roughly two years, just never have the time.
like time to buy it or time to assemble it?
Come on down and have a listen
@@NemoPropaganda Time to build her out... Waiting for it to warm up, my ex got the heated garage.
Excellent review! I bought a 1TD flat pack with the premium crossover a couple years ago. My impressions of this speaker are broadly similar to yours - superb bass extension, clean but dark treble, mid-range that's great for vocals. I think they are an unbelievable value if you are comfortable going the DIY route. I upgraded to the 1TDx and premium crossover after 6 months or so. The 1TDx is noticeably brighter in the treble but is otherwise very similar to the 1TD. The upgraded crossover didn't make much audible difference. I have them on 35 inch stands in a large complex space, 22 foot vaulted ceiling, stairway, a second floor landing, angled walls and openings into adjacent rooms. In this space these speakers need a lot of power (I'm currently using a Parasound A23+ with 160w/channel). Even so they simply can't move enough air to fill the room with bass to the level I like. I added a CSS SDX12 sub (also built from a flat-pack) which solved that problem. This sub, BTW, is an absolute beast and pairs well with the 1TDx. A couple final comments: The 1TDx needs to be out from the walls about 2 feet for the best sound stage and separation. The 1TDx sounds best to me with the speakers oriented perpendicular to the wall. Towed-in to my typical listening position, the treble can be a little harsh. There is also something odd that I've occasionally noticed. - on some music I have heard a "boxy-ness" in the mid-range that I think is probably the result of using small box speakers in a large space. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this. Overall, I highly recommend both the 1TD and the 1TDx. I'm not sure the marginal improvement of the upgraded crossover is worth the cost. CSS Audio has been great to deal with.
thank you for sharing your experience John! I'm tempted to try the X upgrade but I love my 1TD so much already I'm considering leaving them as is.
You mention small box speakers might be a disadvantage in a large space, so is a large speaker generally better for a big complicated space as yours? Is there a disadvantage to using a large speaker in a large room? Is cost the only issue? If both speakers are good should I get a large speaker, I have a room like yours.
Hey @NemoPropaganda I have a pair of their budget model the Torii that I'm building right now, working on a build series and review, so far I'm impressed. Nice review I think I need to get ahold of something from their TD line next.
its a shame you don't live closer, we could just trade because I want to check out the Tori!
Own a pair of the 1TDX and it’s top notch! Tested many speakers in house and this one was the best to my ears. Running them with a Kinki EX-M1 and very happy but might try the new Billie amp with them.
Nice bro! The Kinki pairing was excellent, I don't think the billi will be able to match the Kinki but if you try it please post an update here or in the free discord :) a few guys in there have been curious about the billi.
@@NemoPropaganda from what I have heard the Billie should give the Kinki a good fight. It should be the more warm and 3d sounding of the two but that Kinki grunt is hard to top. You now need to get the xover upgrade for your kit. Changes things a lot from what others are saying. My highs are just right with this combo. Cheers 🍻
@@Temmple I will do the upgrade in a future video for sure!
The thing about buying a crappy DIY'd pair is that you still get to do the DIY part!
lol, well said!
I have these speakers also. You are right on about the sound quality. Bass is excellent mid-range is very good, top end is laid back. I think one has to experiment a lot with placement with these. By the way, if anyone is going to buy these as a kit, they should know that it's not as easy as it seems to build them. It takes time and you have to be very careful with the crossover and it's easy to screw up.
Yes, I’ve built a few amps previously, and the crossover soldering was still a bit of a challenge. Barely had enough hookup wire. If you have no experience soldering, don’t try this unsupervised as your first adventure. Have extra wire on hand and use it liberally to make life easier. Don’t waste money on a cheap solder iron- get a decent station with heat control.
"Bass is excellent, mid-range is very good, top end is laid back." Wow, this would make a great one-sentence review.
Super happy you got to review this… could you please try and get your hands on an upgraded crossover and tweeter (maybe css audio could lend you a set?) and revisit the review, particularly compared with the S400mk2? Also would love to know how the 2TD-x sounds? Wondering if it would even better value than the 1TD as its only a couple hundred more and would negate the need to purchase stands? Many many thanks!
2dx is $1500 with the flatpack so it is a bit more but I don't like to review towers. Yes I will be covering the 1-TDX upgrade in a future video :)
1TD-X with upgraded x-overs. The x-overs are no joke even with the fancy pre-punched board. You have to use jumpers to get the conductors to reach the next component.
On good stands they will play with my Magnepan 1.7i in my main system. I use the CSS in my bedroom and they are end-game for that room. Definitely non-fatiguing and smooth.
It likes power, for sure. The more and higher quality the better.
Great to see you review these- really helpful info as always!
In terms of sub matching, do you think the Rel HT1205 is resolving enough or would you recommend something more in the Rel T/x or S range? Hoping it can be crossed low enough that the sub resolution won’t be as important- but I might be wrong in concept there idk
I honestly don't think these need a sub but the 1205 V2 did pair very well.
You should consider swapping out the tweeters to convert this to a 1TDX. You can buy these from CSS and of course they will advise whether the crossover is different - I don't know if you need to change that, too.
I'm glad you made the comment concerning the amplifiers. I drive my 1TDX speakers with a nice old Adcom GFA 545 and they sound great.
I bought the birch flat pack so staining is the additional work needed and the decision was made because I didn't want to learn how to veneer.
I'm glad you did your due diligence on this. Figuring out they were purely assembled and getting it corrected was the right thing to do. Thank you.
I think I will try the upgrade and make another review in the future :)
@NemoPropaganda If they help you with the upgrade you might want them to consider sending you both sets of crossovers for the X version.
They admit the big upgrade is the tweeters and the lesser upgrade is the crossover. I chose to go with the cheaper crossover. I like weekday I have but wonder if I would notice an improvement worth the cost of the upgraded crossover.
Damn, I forgot about this company. I wanted to get the 2TD x towers. Just got the polk r700. The downward port is pretty money though and don't have to paint them.
excellent choice, I love the Polk Reserve speakers!!
Great review as always Nemo. But you realize that you now have to call CSS back and politely beg them for an upgraded crossover right? At least I would have to anyway. Would definitely do a totally separate paur too.
Just in case I preferred the original. And for fairly easy comparisons too. Anyways, thanks again. Your reviews are very much appreciated. ✌️
Already happening :)
Always great to see you bud! You are always keeping it real, and it's appreciated! 🇺🇦🇺🇸👊
thank you Leo!
@Ozzy Blackbird I have one sacred rule in my discord and on this channel, absolutely NO discussion of polotics or controversial world issues. This is not the place for that brother.
The price you pay for DIY are hours of work and the risk of ending up with a poorly finished product and having to start all over again.
But most kits are designed by enthusiasts who really only care about performance and say "hey, you go and finish them as pretty as you like/ can"
So for me, the trade of has been well worth it so far with every kit I built
I'll think from your description that these would be perfect for me. I currently have the Heco Aurora B300. I like them a lot, but have to try CSS for myself. I listen to blues, classic rock and country music, before they took the O out of country. These should easily cover all those bases without a subwoofer. Great review with comparisons to speakers out of my price range. If these are all that, i won't have to wonder if I'm missing out.
it depends how you look at it but I'd say the 1TD can compete with anything up to $1500 easily, above that its going to be more preference based but the darn things are excellent performers as long as you can put solid power behind them.
@@NemoPropaganda I just got an SMSL AO300 for my desktop. My main rig is a Denon PMA 900 HNE. My party amp in my family room is a Yamaha AS-701. I'm guessing any of those would be sufficient.
Forgot to mention, I have all the tools to assemble the kit and finish it, so my cost for the pair will only be the asking price.
@@MrSteney nice, if you're in my free discord I'm sure people would love to see pics of the finished project :)
@@MrSteney I havn't tried any of those amps personally but I'd probably try the SMSL first.
Hmm ill keep this in mind.
I was about to type "my 1TDX Superiors are magic" right when you said, magic. These with a pair of RSL mkii, high spec components all around, all near field. I also have these cut at 100hz 12db/octave with inline Fmod crossovers. Way more refinement. Because beware! These will attempt to play full range. 20hz? They are trying their best. I got rid of that.
As an owner of the TDX1, its always nice to have an additional professional review that echos and stenghten the choices one makes. I do find, however, that comparing the Buchardt MKii with the TD model, was unjust. One can ask - why not comparing the TD1 to the earlier model of the Buchardt? what I am trying to say is that if a manufacturer issues a better model of the same prior model (that probably fixes some of the former weaknesses), then the proper comparison would be between the MKii and the TDX1 with the superior electronics. I saw that you intend to do so in the future, so I am looking forward to this.
why would I compare the 1TD to a discontinued speaker?
@@NemoPropaganda I was'nt suggesting that, on the contrary, I was trying to make an argument why you should have compared the MKii with the updated version of the Criton (the TDX1) in the first place.
@@menachemsteinberger8505 oh i see, well I have the 1TD so that’s what I reviewed. That way I can upgrade later to the X. But if I started with the X i wouldn’t downgrade the speaker just to make a review so this order is intentional :)
Im all about DIY kits, the quality of parts one can make them with actually exceed high end manufactured skprs.
My CSS Torri are so good it’s spooky.
Hi! I own the critons, the X-version with a regular cross-over. They are so lovely and easy to listen to, never shrill or harsh up top, but plenty of detail. However, I do miss a bit of liveliness, so I am not sure these are my endgame speakers. Vocals are great on these speakers, the midrange sound natural and slightely warm, a sound I love. That also makes it great to listen to Chellos, one o my favorite instruments. However, I can't move them into my room, so they are about a foot from the walls, and I have to say, I had to plug the ports, the bass was so overwelming and clouding the midrange. Maybe this also has t do with pairing it with my Audiolab 6000A -amp that has strong bass -presence. Another thing I noticed is that the intergration between the two drivers is fantastic, I can't tell any overlap or gaps etc. They are indeed not easy to drive, I have to crank up the volume way more then my previous Wharfedale Denton 85's. One final note, I have noticed that the critons play all sort of music very well: classical music (especially chello's sound lovely), choir, film music, pop rock etc. Thats great, because I listen to so many genres! So, all in all, I am enjoying these speakers, and considering to upgrade the filter to get a wider and deeper soundstage, some more clarity and detail etc. All the best Nemo, I loved your review as always, Gerlach Sven.
the CSS speakers have a pretty high performance ceiling, you could get more out of them with more expensive amplifciation but a cheaper solution for now could be tone controls. If your amp doesn't have them maybe try something like the Schiit Loki? Since you love everything else about the speaker being able to bump the treble a bit could take them from outstanding to perfect for you :)
How would you compare with wharfedale. I have wharfedale.
H! I used to have the Denton 85's, so I can only compare my tdx to those: I would say the tonality is very similar, good bass presence, good warmish mids, easy to listen high, no fatigue there, though the Denton's are slightly more energetic up top. However, the Denton's suffer from mediocre crossover parts and the drivers are somewhat inferior, so everything the Denton's do, the TDXs do better: deeper and more controlled base with heft; mid's are superb and warmish, rich, clear, texture and presence, voices are fantastic, almost lifelike; high tones are very gentle, never harsh or shrill, but enough details to keep you listening to the music. Above all, the integration of the drivers is excellent, I can't hear where the drivers crossover. Plus the TDXs show more refinement, more detail and more control. My only regret is not going for the superior Crossover, so I may do an upgrade in the future. Does this help? ATB, Gerlach Sven.
Considering the aria 906 can be had for 600-800 euros in France it is quite a poor value in North America
Same can be said for Focal in general. Such a crazy price gap
Look on eBay for focal 906
yeah bro, I like focal but the US price is entering "rip off" territory.
It's a personal choice I did hear the css in a so so room and they sounded really good, but the BMR but they are a bit more so not exactly apples vs. apples.
I’m a big fan of your channel and content. Thanks for all your reviews.♥ Could you please tell me whether you can recommend CSS Criton 1TD or 1TD-X over Arendal 1961 with a Rel sub? In terms of details, soundstage, and imaging.
both are great options but with very opposite sound. CSS 1TD is more warm and tonally ritch while the 1961 is more neutral & analytical. With that said the 1961 will have more forward treble and more detail.
@@NemoPropaganda Which of these two has the larger soundstage, depth and image?
As far as cost, when I close my eyes to imagine the soundstage via great imaging, I do not care about the finish of the cabinet. Much rather have my $$$ go towards a great sound stage than furniture. Black or green brush paint - $20 at Bengiman Moore
The look much like the Boston Acoustics A80’s I had back in the 90’s….
Stylish microphone.
lolol thank you :)
Hi, great vid! I have a 20 m2 room. Amplifier is a Norma Audio Revo IPA-70B (a masterpiece from Italy with it's own DAC). I am looking for a pair of speakers, and the idea is the upgraded CSS Criton 1TD-X Fully Finished Pair. Any doubts or just go for it?
based on what I heard from the 1TD model I imagine the 1TDX will be amazing.
Nemo your the best " if you don't like this video then leave a thumbs down and f*ck off " the quote of the decade . I love it.🤣🤣 f*ck all those snobby audiophiles . Great review.
Oh boy, I've really gone down the rabbit hole, building a speaker....😅 wonder if my Yamaha could handle 🤔 them
depends which one you have, if it's a sub $500 yamaha made in the last 10 years the answer is no. Well, it'll run them, but you won't be getting the best performance.
Did you buy the speakers pre-assembled by CSS or by someone else?
I was about to order and buy the 1-TDX pre-assembled by them on their official website and I just saw your video so I'm very interested to know
Thank you.
Someone else, it's all explained in the first 5 minutes of the video, did you skip my story?
Clearly by someone else, CSS in-house builds are extremely well done.
@@NemoPropaganda obviously it was skipped and probably just jumped somewhere on the video to hear your conclusion.😅
As for the amplifier match for these why not do a matching DIY amp, something using the excellent purify amp and power supply units... Plenty of power and amazing clarity.
Maybe one day :). I'm not really into DIY because I don't have the time and I have pretty bad tendonitis so if I have to solder more than a few minutes my hands cramp up very badly so I'd have to pay someone to assemble it for me.
@@NemoPropaganda tbh there's plenty of good purify amps where some company has basically done all the work but it's not super expensive as a regular brand , so you could get a pre built one if that's something you're after .
When is the H190 review coming?
I dunno, still trying it on a lot of speakers.
Did this have the upgraded crossovers? I’m still watching and didn’t remember if you said
No
1TD cheapest version.
Room treatment is everything for HI FI.
I'd agree it's easily been one of my biggest upgrades, unfortunately not everyone can accomodate it.
Nemo! I've got a pair of Elac DBR62s that I love. Had em a few years and looking for something fresh for the ears. This kit is enticing. Do you find it a noticeable upgrade from the Elacs? Voicing, capabilities seem somewhat similar between the two.
I think its a big difference. The midrange is richer and more oganic and the bass is superior. the CSS is a hair darker in the treble but more refined.
@@NemoPropaganda Nice, may just have to take a stab at this kit!
@@Purpleyamz post some pics in the discord if you end up doing it!
@@NemoPropaganda How do I get there? Can't seem to find you on discord.
@@NemoPropaganda Nvmd I found it.
How is this compared to the highly praised S400 Mk ii (by you)? Would you please articulate it? Thx.
please watch the entire video.
Shame I can’t get my hands on them in the UK, look like great speakers.
We ship to worldwide. You can get rates at checkout. There are added costs going international so there is some value loss there unfortunately
Yes you can! :)
listen some of vintage Kef
👍⭐👍
The cost of this kit brings it into my budget. But I'm wondering if it leaves my system in the dust. Can you get the results this speaker is capable of with a $700 Onkyo AVR? Should I be looking at a Parts Exprees kit instead?
Thanks.
hard to say bro, a lot of AVR's under $1000 have great processing but just okay power and struggle with difficult loads. Maybe email the guys at CSS and see if they have any experience using their speakers with Onkyo AVR's, include your exact model number just in case. If you want my guess it's this: I think it will be just okay but you won't have the results I'm describing. It will still sound good, just not 100% what I experienced. Instead I suggest you buy something with a similar sound but easier to drive like Heco Aurora 300.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for the quick reply. I'll check out the Hecos or...maybe I could find some space for the Emotiva amp:)
May i ask what version of gallion amp you used here? Im planning to get one :) what dac also :)
I have the SE, for DACs I have tested with that Galion its the Ares2 and Venus2.
@Nemo Propaganda great! All i need is the ts120 :) thanks bro
@@dommyap7763 are you going to get one?
I am not a DYI sort of guy. Does the company sell already made speakers like you got?
They do. Check their website.
@@billythestalker wow!! The price difference is startling. 2349 for the finished, 774 for the kit. Really on par price wise with the more expensive speakers here from the perspective of equal end result--finished speakers. My perspective anyway 😂
Hi Larry, you're not comparing the kit vs finished correctly. The Finished kit uses superior parts and includes a finished and vaneered cabinet at $2349 versus the kit with the same options is $1334 but would not have a vaneer.
@@NemoPropaganda So maybe 1600 with the veneer but then someone would also have to correct all my mistakes! The fully prepared model is making more and more sense.
@@lsaideOK I think it depends on your level of skill and how much you enjoy DIY, personally I do not enjoy DIY so I will happily pay for the finished product. But some guys really enjoy the process so for them the savings is well worth it.
For some reference: has anybody listened to these and knows how they compare to a pair of Wharfedale Lintons 85th Heritage?
i do not :(
How would you compare them as an upgrade to Focal Chora 806's?
totally different sound. Chora is brighter overall with hardly any bass and a cool midrange. 1TD is dark in the top, warm in the mids, and extremely strong bass.
@@NemoPropaganda do you feel the x version with upgraded crossovers would change the sound signature much?
@@Cabernetor yes but it will not make it sound like a Focal. The CSS sound and Focal sound are total opposites of eachother.
very cool stuff but I'm the opposite of a DIY guy so I could never f with CSS or GR Research stuff. Hell I've passed on super clean tube amps because they were diy and I wouldn't be able to get support for them. I'm jealous of the people that have the skill set to do this stuff.
I'm also not too fond of DIY because I do not enjoy the process but so many people loved these I got curious enough to check them out :)
So learn, why be "jealous"?
@@YouSoundButtHurt there is too many hobbies to "learn" all of them. did you install your air conditioning/furnace and save a bunch, no...
@@trauma50disaster1 There's a big difference between gluing a wooden box together and installing HVAC.
Yes, not all of us have the time or willingness to learn these skills. I want turnkey solutions, too.
The struggles of buying from the used market. You can find some insane deals but there's always some form of risk. Everyone has different standard for "great or mint condition"
oh yeah, bro these were 1/10 condition initially for sure lol
@@NemoPropaganda those speakers may be 1/10 but you're a "10/10" in my eyes 👀
@@ThujanK oh stahp, I blush easy lol
Awesome review. Been looking at these for a while now. Do you think the Audiolab 6000a at 50 wpc would be capable of powering these or am I being a bit optimistic. Thanks.
I have not heard the audiolab, I tried to get a review sample but the north american distributor does not respond to my emails. Have you tried emailing CSS? Maybe they will know?
Appreciate the help. I will try contacting css. As always awesome content.
I think most of these so called reviewers are more about promoting themselves than promoting better VFM for consumers, they all see themselves like those purveyors of fine art people but through their ears not their eyes. I think DR killed it for me when he spoke about being able to hear the inauble end of the high frequencies still at his age, talking BS really. And these miracle products are never cheap, on the contrary, always seem expensive.
yeah, I mean on one hand you do get what you pay for generally speaking. A $100k car is nicer than a $35k car, etc... But on the other hand that doesn't mean there aren't some absolute hidden gem products in the world and it also begs the question of when is it enough. For me personally, I can afford just about anything, my favorite speakers are $2k, nothing too crazy and that shows me that personal taste is perhaps the most important metric of all. Luckily there are many incredible speakers at different price points :). As far as Danny, he's not someone I care to talk about at all, though I get your point.
Great video, how bout reviewing the Criton 2TD-X MTM’s?
mmm, I don't love how MTM look personally.
@@NemoPropaganda but how do they sound?
@@edwincartagena1560 Generally I don't have much interest in reviewing gear that I don't personally find visually appealing.
@@NemoPropaganda I totally understand, thanks for your honesty.
@@edwincartagena1560 I appreciate you understanding, in the past some people get mad at me for this but its what I like :)
Thoughts on LS50s and a sub vs these?
totally different sound, personal taste will be the deciding factor. do you want dark, warm, and strong bass or open, expanstive clarity with hardly any bass?
@@NemoPropaganda the one thing I really enjoy in hifi is soundstage width and depth which has me interested in the LS50s. Im looking for bookshelf speakers for a bedroom office and I keep reading that the best speakers for the soundstage in small rooms are the LS50s but there's just not a ton of info on the critons in that regard. I dig a laid back sound but I'm looking for depth in a smaller room and the ability to have great frequency response at lower volumes.
@@robbeddenluck I would not consider the CSS a low volume champion and in fact would suggest them more for anyone who prefers to listen a bit louder like 80dB and up.
@@robbeddenluck I have the LS50s and have used them without a sub for years. Recently, I got the REL T7x, and the sound improved in soundstage, low end, and fullness. I think you’ll love the LS50s with a sub. I also have the Dynaudio Heritage Specials, and the LS50s with a sub will not be a disappointment in a direct comparison.
@@veetour thanks for the feedback!
Would most of you who have heard these speakers in person, think they have a better fit in the home theatre role? Or a music listening role? My usage would be 90% home theatre.
Music role for sure. Most theater enthusisasts will prefer something more open & neutral sounding but it is a matter of personal taste, it's just theater guys tend to go for neutrality.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you for the reply! In your professional/enthusiast opinion, which 2 fronts/ center channel (or use a bookshelf as a center), would you recommend in that $600-$1000 (front speakers only) price range? For home theatre.
I’m using a Yamaha RX-A750 receiver, old 5.1 Paradigm speakers, and infinity sub.
@@riley6723 honestly brother I'm not really a theater guy, I mostly focus on 2ch stereo. I'd suggest hoping in my free discord and ask there. Emotiva makes great stuff, you can get their B1+ speaker and C2+ Center for under $700. Conversly you can get an LCR triplet of the RSL CG23M for about $450 or a single CG23M and a pair of CG3M for $359 and use more of your budget for a crazy good subwoofer. If I was starting out in theater that's probably what I'd do.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you for the actual 1st hand knowledge bud! I’m sure whatever I get along those lines, will be better than what I have now.
Which music / source did you use for trsting!
all associated equipment is listed in the description. As far as music I use a wide variety of normal music like edm, rock, pop, metal, etc...
@@NemoPropaganda thanks for answering my question. More success to your channel.
Yamaha AS-2000 good pairing?
brother I'm not sure, I have not heard that one. Maybe try emailing CSS? I think they will know :)
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks :)
Only viable if you live in US/Canda. Shipping to Europe is more than the speakers :)
oh man that's a bummer :(
We just got better rates into Europe in the last week or so. Check our site again. Shipping with flat pack to most of Europe is now around $110 USD
get some vintage mullards for your gallion, experience the real magic.
I don't want to go down that rabbit hole just yet :)
@@NemoPropaganda take your time. if you ever decide to swap ,don't spend your time on modern tubes go for the best(vintage) so it's not a rabbit hole. i'll help when you get there.
Has anyone used these in a Dolby Atmos system? Thoughts?
i think these are too big to be used as atmost speakers.
@@NemoPropaganda what about your bed layer?
@@mikeday3306 what is a bed layer? I don't understand this question.
what did you get for the atmos?
Do you guys prefer Triangle or Focal ?
I have only heard the cheapest triangle line BR02 and BR03 while the cheapest Focal I have heard is double the price so I cannot really say.
@@NemoPropaganda I ask the question mainly because these are two high-end brands that cost much less in France, making it more cost-effective for us in France to purchase these local brands.
The Focal Aria 906 speakers, which you praised in your video, only cost 590 euros (637 US dollars) per pair here, while on Crutchfield USA, they are around 2000 per pair (depending on sales, etc.).
As for Triangle Audio, the situation is similar and sometimes even better because they often offer attractive sales during the winter period. I always heed your advice and what I deduce is that the Focal Aria 906 speakers are very similar to the CSS speakers. It would be logical to choose them, leaving me more money to purchase a high-quality amplifier to go with them
My English isn't very good, I hope it was clear.
@@alexdenton6586 no no no, Focal sound is total opposite of CSS brother. So if your question is if the speakers was the same price which would I choose between BR03 and Aria 906 the answer is Aria 906 because it has better clarity and build quality. The BR03 has better midrange though so if you value midrange more than clarity you may prefer the BR03.
@@NemoPropaganda Yes, so apparently I didn't understand everything
CSS is much better than focal according to you then?
I just want a good system that I would be happy to keep for years
@@alexdenton6586 I think CSS is better than Aria 906 yes but it also depends on your personal taste. Aria 906 is more open, analytical, and clarity focused so if you prefer that kind of sound you may feel the Aria 906 is better. It's not always about better because personal taste is very important.
I'm like #666!!!!!!
oh no!!!!!!!!
Hello, You guys have so much to say about the speakers but not one you does a video to show how they sound. It's mostly talk and talk about the speakers. There are a lot of people out there that are beginners and they will make a decision about a speaker by at least having an idea how they sound, by listening to it.
How tf are you gonna listen to the speaker through youtube? Did you hit your head or something my man? You want to listen then you have to go and physically listen somehow and if you can't then it is what it is. I'm here to help but there are limits to how much a youtuber can help you make a decision. You have unrealistic expectations of what a youtube video should be doing for you.
You really didn't need to be such an ass at the end of your review.
seems like it wasn't clear enough since your soft ass is still complaining. Man I never thought I'd see the day where we have sensitive harley davidson riders...
How would you compare the soundstage of the 1TD to the LS50?
LS50 Meta is a much smaller speaker, everything stages pretty big these days but the CSS staged taller.
@@NemoPropaganda Thxs. I'm torn b/c I like so many different types of speakers (806's, 12.2's, Q350's, UB52's, UBR's) and not sure there's going to be "the one" that stands out above the rest at this point.
How would you decide?
Is choosing to go with the value proposition of a speaker that you know has quality parts (CSS) on top of getting rave reviews, to good to pass up (but with one big drawback of not being able to test it out before purchasing)?
@@colinchang1543 you should join my discord, its free and you can get the opinion of more people to help you decide what to get: discord.gg/nemopropaganda
@@NemoPropaganda Appreciate it
@@colinchang1543 Hi Colin,
We actually have a 30 day trial period even on our kits.