Lightfast by Derwent ~VS~ Polychromos by Faber-Castell
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- Lightfast by Derwent ~VS~ Polychromos by Faber-Castell
Lightfast by Derwent
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I was on the fence about getting these until you said “life is short, treat yourself!” I just placed the order☺️
Enjoy! 😊💖
Me too!!
Did exactly the same hahaha
This!!!!
Sometimes, even if it's expensive, it's a nice investment, it's worth every penny. Like you said, treat yourself!
I loved both so much I bought them all...life is short!
I have both sets. I personally really miss a bright pink color in the derwent set. Thats why I decided to buy the polychromos! But I use both now and really love both!
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It's funny that is the colour I miss, plus a really bright true red. I do love my Lightfast pencils, but I am wondering whether to get a few Polychromos for doing details. I'm also so picky about my colours I really want a full set of both 😆😆
Thank you very much. I appreciate your descriptions and demo. God bless you!
Thank You for this review, I truly now understand that lightfast is softer and smoother, while polychromos is slightly tougher, hence polychromos is great for detailing! Thank you for sharing this Beautiful Information! I have joined Ur channel! :D
Man, these colors just POP! I love it!
I could totally HEAR the difference in the 2 as you laid them down
Very nice comparison. I don't have the lightfast Derwent but I do have the Faber Castel Polychromos, love them.
I so agree with you about using good quality pencils. The experience and the results are very satisfying. Of course, I also have every other brand 'budget' under the sun but only the good quality professional pencils make me colour like the pencils know what to do, I just have to hold them.
lightfast, end of story. The faber castel chart is extremely unreliable, it's been proven tiome and time again, even by the color pencil society of america, to have 27 three star pencils perform as a 1 (that beeing the most agregious examples of course, it's not like the rest of the chart is safe). And it makes sense, it does not perform according to astm, it was rated decades ago and they have never shown any interest in sharing their tests or modernizing their standards (i wonder why), if that huge range of colours could all be so easily extremely lightfast, they could not, by any standard, even remotely be as cheap as they are (in comparison to truly lightfast pencils ranges) much less while being manufactured in germany.
They have banked on the fact that faber has (or used to have) a good reputation, and it's such an uphill struggle to test the whole range at home for years just to try and bring up this point (but regardless plenty of artists have!). Do they have a nice feel? sure, but their lightfastness is super shady, you are no better using them than using, for example, the cheaper and similarly textured lyra's polycolors. And when people talk about their "great" lightfastness, well, it's always counting on faber's own rating system (by that same judgement, any brand can be lightfast)...which a: blatantly lies b: isn't astm so it's not even a close comparison to the luminance or the derwent lightfast, c: they asign one to three stars to pencils tested on the blue whool scale which works on a 1 to 8 system, so there's a big wiggle room within every braket when "translating".D: and maybe one of the most condeming things, is that even then, according to their own system, when you check for example what a 2 star rating means for a pablo versus a polychromo, you realize caran d ache's standards are way higher, a two star for caran d ache has to be 50+ years, for faber it's just 25+, thats a huge difference! almost double!. Yet people take a fast look at the pablo's chart and go "too many 2 stars, ai'll stick with polychromos", when the pablos actually have a higher percent of lightfast colors in them. but since they are you know, actually reliable and proffessional with their ratings, if you just go counting stars on each brand you may come to a misguided conclusion, sadly...
I feel like at some point tradition became a sunk cost falacy. some people still believe in them and wouldn't even imaghine questioning their ratings, others think of this but it's scxary to think that you invested in a collection under a false premise.
Now at the end of the day if you just plan on colouring pages and then closing said books or leave the pages in shelves, then forget about everything i said _(but then, why would you even bother with the derwent lightfast? just get the coloursoft or chromaflow or prismacolor if you want a soft pencil, and if you need a harder point get the lyra polycolors or just keep using the faber polychromos; no need to spend money on lightfast ranges from any brand. You might even consider sets like the brutfuners (they have an insane range of colours, two sets of 120 different colours each) and they are nice to use. Why bother with lightfastness at all, it honestly feels like a form of FOMO from the arts and crafts community unless, as i said, you do and will actually frame your work or even more, sell the originals.
Thanks a lot for this comparison, I wanted to see it! Both pencils are awesome, I don't have any Lightfast pencil, just Polychromos, but I would definitely try them.
Hi. Thank you for all the art supply reviews you have posted. They are very helpful. I like your voice, too!
Thank you. I'm so happy you enjoy my videos 😊
You got at "treat yourself" :D Now I am thinking of getting the Derwent lightfast. Thanks for the review. :)
If there's anything i loved about this video, it's when you said " treat yourself, life is short"...Woohooo, i' m just about to do that
Enjoy! 🤗
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. I AGREE ABOUT THE LIGHTFASTNES PACKAGING. MY FAVORITE VIDEOS FROM YOU ARE YOUR CARAN D'ACHE PRODUCTS.
Great overview of these two wonderful art pencils. I have the Polychromos set but wasn't sure if the Lightfast pencils were worth it. I'm just learning how to use color pencils, but it seems that a set of both types would cover most of the bases for learning how to layer pencils. Thanks for the video.
Definitely we enjoyed the video🌷 thanks for this comparison video🙂
I have Lightfast pencils and love them, but have been wondering about Polychromos for when I want to do detail. It's good to see how pigmented they are.
I’m addicted to colored pencils and I’ve been treating myself lately. Thank you for the review.
You're Welcome ☺
Great review yes l do agree that you should enjoy quality art products life is short ❤️
Have a few policromos and I am on the fence between buying polycromos and luminance or polycromos and lightfast (along with my growing watercolor pencil colection). Don't think I can only work with policromos, as they can be harder to cover larga areas, but they are definetly going to be my main dry colored pencils, as I loved them along with albrech durer. But I also want to invest in inktense and a few museum aquarelles (all the 4 or 5 stars reds, pinks, purples, some 3 stars ones that I like, to complement my albrech durer's most fugitive colors and group of colors. Maybe I will get a full set in the future, but for now, this will do ), so it will be a hard decision
lightfast, end of story. The faber castel chart is extremely unreliable, it's been proven tiome and time again, even by the color pencil society of america, to have 27 three star pencils perform as a 1 (that beeing the most agregious examples of course, it's not like the rest of the chart is safe). And it makes sense, it does not perform according to astm, it was rated decades ago and they have never shown any interest in sharing their tests or modernizing their standards (i wonder why), if that huge range of colours could all be so easily extremely lightfast, they could not, by any standard, even remotely be as cheap as they are (in comparison to truly lightfast pencils ranges) much less while being manufactured in germany.
They have banked on the fact that faber has (or used to have) a good reputation, and it's such an uphill struggle to test the whole range at home for years just to try and bring up this point (but regardless plenty of artists have!). Do they have a nice feel? sure, but their lightfastness is super shady, you are no better using them than using, for example, the cheaper and similarly textured lyra's polycolors. And when people talk about their "great" lightfastness, well, it's always counting on faber's own rating system (by that same judgement, any brand can be lightfast)...which a: blatantly lies b: isn't astm so it's not even a close comparison to the luminance or the derwent lightfast, c: they asign one to three stars to pencils tested on the blue whool scale which works on a 1 to 8 system, so there's a big wiggle room within every braket when "translating".D: and maybe one of the most condeming things, is that even then, according to their own system, when you check for example what a 2 star rating means for a pablo versus a polychromo, you realize caran d ache's standards are way higher, a two star for caran d ache has to be 50+ years, for faber it's just 25+, thats a huge difference! almost double!. Yet people take a fast look at the pablo's chart and go "too many 2 stars, ai'll stick with polychromos", when the pablos actually have a higher percent of lightfast colors in them. but since they are you know, actually reliable and proffessional with their ratings, if you just go counting stars on each brand you may come to a misguided conclusion, sadly...
I feel like at some point tradition became a sunk cost falacy. some people still believe in them and wouldn't even imaghine questioning their ratings, others think of this but it's scxary to think that you invested in a collection under a false premise.
Now at the end of the day if you just plan on colouring pages and then closing said books or leave the pages in shelves, then forget about everything i said _(but then, why would you even bother with the derwent lightfast? just get the coloursoft or chromaflow or prismacolor if you want a soft pencil, and if you need a harder point get the lyra polycolors or just keep using the faber polychromos; no need to spend money on lightfast ranges from any brand. You might even consider sets like the brutfuners (they have an insane range of colours, two sets of 120 different colours each) and they are nice to use. Why bother with lightfastness at all, it honestly feels like a form of FOMO from the arts and crafts community unless, as i said, you do and will actually frame your work or even more, sell the originals.
Omg! I'm just an art historian doing her PhD needing to draw some geometric patterns. So I'm looking for pencils to paint without any shade, just flat colours. And you were saying that life is too short... Life is too short, and PhD lifestyle is so hard; so, I deserve to have a good experience colouring my geometric patterns! Thank you very much!
Enjoy your art supplies, Antonieta! 🤗
lightfast, end of story. The faber castel chart is extremely unreliable, it's been proven tiome and time again, even by the color pencil society of america, to have 27 three star pencils perform as a 1 (that beeing the most agregious examples of course, it's not like the rest of the chart is safe). And it makes sense, it does not perform according to astm, it was rated decades ago and they have never shown any interest in sharing their tests or modernizing their standards (i wonder why), if that huge range of colours could all be so easily extremely lightfast, they could not, by any standard, even remotely be as cheap as they are (in comparison to truly lightfast pencils ranges) much less while being manufactured in germany.
They have banked on the fact that faber has (or used to have) a good reputation, and it's such an uphill struggle to test the whole range at home for years just to try and bring up this point (but regardless plenty of artists have!). Do they have a nice feel? sure, but their lightfastness is super shady, you are no better using them than using, for example, the cheaper and similarly textured lyra's polycolors. And when people talk about their "great" lightfastness, well, it's always counting on faber's own rating system (by that same judgement, any brand can be lightfast)...which a: blatantly lies b: isn't astm so it's not even a close comparison to the luminance or the derwent lightfast, c: they asign one to three stars to pencils tested on the blue whool scale which works on a 1 to 8 system, so there's a big wiggle room within every braket when "translating".D: and maybe one of the most condeming things, is that even then, according to their own system, when you check for example what a 2 star rating means for a pablo versus a polychromo, you realize caran d ache's standards are way higher, a two star for caran d ache has to be 50+ years, for faber it's just 25+, thats a huge difference! almost double!. Yet people take a fast look at the pablo's chart and go "too many 2 stars, ai'll stick with polychromos", when the pablos actually have a higher percent of lightfast colors in them. but since they are you know, actually reliable and proffessional with their ratings, if you just go counting stars on each brand you may come to a misguided conclusion, sadly...
I feel like at some point tradition became a sunk cost falacy. some people still believe in them and wouldn't even imaghine questioning their ratings, others think of this but it's scxary to think that you invested in a collection under a false premise.
Now at the end of the day if you just plan on colouring pages and then closing said books or leave the pages in shelves, then forget about everything i said _(but then, why would you even bother with the derwent lightfast? just get the coloursoft or chromaflow or prismacolor if you want a soft pencil, and if you need a harder point get the lyra polycolors or just keep using the faber polychromos; no need to spend money on lightfast ranges from any brand. You might even consider sets like the brutfuners (they have an insane range of colours, two sets of 120 different colours each) and they are nice to use. Why bother with lightfastness at all, it honestly feels like a form of FOMO from the arts and crafts community unless, as i said, you do and will actually frame your work or even more, sell the originals.
Very good, much appreciated!
Ohh!!! thank you for your advise, now I'm going to buy those beautiful lightfast pencils from Derwent..love from Argentina!!
Lovely review, so informative and interesting. Thanks very much.
I wish to have those soon💗
Really helpful! Thanks for posting.
Thank you for sharing this information. Here in Australia, we pay almost double the price you pay in the States. I have to choose carefully.
lightfast, end of story. The faber castel chart is extremely unreliable, it's been proven tiome and time again, even by the color pencil society of america, to have 27 three star pencils perform as a 1 (that beeing the most agregious examples of course, it's not like the rest of the chart is safe). And it makes sense, it does not perform according to astm, it was rated decades ago and they have never shown any interest in sharing their tests or modernizing their standards (i wonder why), if that huge range of colours could all be so easily extremely lightfast, they could not, by any standard, even remotely be as cheap as they are (in comparison to truly lightfast pencils ranges) much less while being manufactured in germany.
They have banked on the fact that faber has (or used to have) a good reputation, and it's such an uphill struggle to test the whole range at home for years just to try and bring up this point (but regardless plenty of artists have!). Do they have a nice feel? sure, but their lightfastness is super shady, you are no better using them than using, for example, the cheaper and similarly textured lyra's polycolors. And when people talk about their "great" lightfastness, well, it's always counting on faber's own rating system (by that same judgement, any brand can be lightfast)...which a: blatantly lies b: isn't astm so it's not even a close comparison to the luminance or the derwent lightfast, c: they asign one to three stars to pencils tested on the blue whool scale which works on a 1 to 8 system, so there's a big wiggle room within every braket when "translating".D: and maybe one of the most condeming things, is that even then, according to their own system, when you check for example what a 2 star rating means for a pablo versus a polychromo, you realize caran d ache's standards are way higher, a two star for caran d ache has to be 50+ years, for faber it's just 25+, thats a huge difference! almost double!. Yet people take a fast look at the pablo's chart and go "too many 2 stars, ai'll stick with polychromos", when the pablos actually have a higher percent of lightfast colors in them. but since they are you know, actually reliable and proffessional with their ratings, if you just go counting stars on each brand you may come to a misguided conclusion, sadly...
I feel like at some point tradition became a sunk cost falacy. some people still believe in them and wouldn't even imaghine questioning their ratings, others think of this but it's scxary to think that you invested in a collection under a false premise.
Now at the end of the day if you just plan on colouring pages and then closing said books or leave the pages in shelves, then forget about everything i said _(but then, why would you even bother with the derwent lightfast? just get the coloursoft or chromaflow or prismacolor if you want a soft pencil, and if you need a harder point get the lyra polycolors or just keep using the faber polychromos; no need to spend money on lightfast ranges from any brand. You might even consider sets like the brutfuners (they have an insane range of colours, two sets of 120 different colours each) and they are nice to use. Why bother with lightfastness at all, it honestly feels like a form of FOMO from the arts and crafts community unless, as i said, you do and will actually frame your work or even more, sell the originals.
For that price, Derwent should hang its head in shame about those inner trays. Locally here in Spain, they sell for 85 Euros for a set of 24....
They are pretty cheap in india... You get a sent of 72 for about 100$
no, no they shouldn't, they are clearly spending the money on the pencil itself. It's not even a comparison between them and the polychromos (their ratings are blatanly false, unreliable and outdated, unlike derwent's), whereas derwent's lightfast has proven again and again under independant testing to be as permanent as permanent can be, and they showed their interest in researching extra colours that would still fulfill the standard and get them oficially tested, which is why there was a delay between the release of the 72 and the 100 colours sets. Faber? no interest in any of it, same old same old banking on tradition/reputation back from an era without any global standard for color pencils, a german name and people's naivety.
@@magical571 , my experience with Derwent pencils isn't the greatest. My set of Inktense contains a lot of pencils whose paint on the barrel was already chipped before the box was even opened. And I have the same experience with a lot of their other pencils. Poor-quality barrels. I have none of that with Faber-Castell, Caran d'Ache or even, god forbid, Prismacolor.
Derwent feel chalky to me and break far easier. I get they’re softer but they break far too easy. Polychromos are the kings and queens of pencils. Never break - I haven’t had a single pencil ever break in years in electric pencil sharpeners or really pressing hard with them.
Derwent is nowhere near Faber Castell quality. They don't make junk, but they aren't top quality professional grade either (in my opinion) Caran'dash are they only maker, that is at Faber Castell level. Germans and Swiss, always made the best stuff out there, no other country is at that level. Maybe USA and the Japan follows very close, but still, German and Swiss made, are the leaders, on ether cars, watches, multitools, knives, and almost on any kind of tools. Their precision and quality, can't be muched.
That's interesting. I've not had a single Lightfast break on me - I wonder if your set was dropped in transit? I've bought a few Caran d'Ache Luminance pencils and they feel chalky to me compared to Lightfast and often seem to leave little bits on the paper.
@@greekveteran2715 it's the other way around.
lightfast, end of story. The faber castel chart is extremely unreliable, it's been proven tiome and time again, even by the color pencil society of america, to have 27 three star pencils perform as a 1 (that beeing the most agregious examples of course, it's not like the rest of the chart is safe). And it makes sense, it does not perform according to astm, it was rated decades ago and they have never shown any interest in sharing their tests or modernizing their standards (i wonder why), if that huge range of colours could all be so easily extremely lightfast, they could not, by any standard, even remotely be as cheap as they are (in comparison to truly lightfast pencils ranges) much less while being manufactured in germany.
They have banked on the fact that faber has (or used to have) a good reputation, and it's such an uphill struggle to test the whole range at home for years just to try and bring up this point (but regardless plenty of artists have!). Do they have a nice feel? sure, but their lightfastness is super shady, you are no better using them than using, for example, the cheaper and similarly textured lyra's polycolors. And when people talk about their "great" lightfastness, well, it's always counting on faber's own rating system (by that same judgement, any brand can be lightfast)...which a: blatantly lies, as i said, a three star pencil can and will perform as a 1 (27 of them!!! not counting the less blatant but still wrong differences like three stars peforming as a two) b: it isn't astm, it isn't actually oficially tested beyond their own factory, no officialy acquired rating, so it's not even a close comparison to the luminance or the derwent lightfast, c: they asign one to three stars to pencils tested on the blue whool scale which works on a 1 to 8 system, so there's a big wiggle room within every braket when "translating".D: and maybe one of the most condeming things (besides the lies) , is that even then, according to their own system, when you check for example what a 2 star rating means for a caran d ache pablo versus a faber polychromo, you realize caran d ache's standards are way higher even outside of their luminance range, a two star for caran d ache has to be 50+ years, for faber it's just 25+, thats a huge difference! almost double!. And this applies to the coloursoft and procolour ranges from derwent, their charts are extremely reliable, been proven so again and again, want peace of mind? you can actually stick the colors branded 6, 7 and 8, unlike with faber were their stars are super unreliable. Yet people take a fast look at the pablo's chart or the coursoft chart, and go "too many 2 stars, i'll stick with polychromos", when the pablos actually have a higher percent of lightfast colors in their range. but since they are you know, actually reliable and proffessional with their ratings, if you just go counting stars on each brand you may come to a misguided conclusion, sadly...
I feel like at some point tradition became a sunk cost falacy. some people still believe in faber and wouldn't even imagine questioning their ratings, others consider this but it's scary to think that you invested in a collection under a false premise.
Now at the end of the day if you just plan on colouring pages and then closing said books or leave the pages in shelves, then forget about everything i said and just pick the ones that feel good to you, even more so, don't limit yopurself to "art brands", go by texture, colours and ease of application; artist pencils won't always feel better to use or that radically different in relation tot heir price, because lightfastness is a huge factor and you won't get any visible value out of it unless you hang or sell your work, in fact, you may find it harder to get super saturated bivrant pinks in lines like the luminance for this exact reason.And why would you even bother with the derwent lightfast or luminance in this scenario? even if you want to invest in artsy, just get the coloursoft or chromaflow or prismacolor if you want a soft pencil, and if you need a harder point get the lyra polycolors or just keep using the faber polychromos; no need to spend money on lightfast ranges from any brand. You might even consider brands that aren't seen as artistic but that perfom just as well besides lightfastnes, which, as i stated before, plychromos do not fulfill either, at all. sets like the brutfuners come to mind in this category (they have an insane range of colours, two sets of 120 different colours each) and they are nice to use. Why bother with lightfastness at all, it honestly feels like a form of FOMO from the colorist, arts and crafts community unless, as i said, you do and will actually frame your work or even more, sell the originals).
And derwent and caran d ache added to the push for quality and international testing that the van gog's started (talens van gogh pencils are the whole reason we even have reliable astm testing applied to coloured pencils, they were brand that took interest in releasing a fully lightfast range and worked on the application and standarisation of astm testing in color pencils, very first bvrand ever to actually be tested in a proffesional way. color pencils before that werent (which wasn0t long ago) and in some ways still aren't considered an actual art supply on the levels of acrylics for example by the likes of manufacturers, big or small, and the art circle (talking about exhibitions here, not instagram) . Faber castel? no interest in anything, they are happy to bank on their acquired name and just keep on.
Thanks very helpful. I’ll buy polychromos 😊
Awesome video!
Fantastic comparison, it was very informative and interesting
Hey, Jen 🙋♀️ I'm glad you thought so. 😊
Hi ,
Thank you so much for this video!! If you had to choose only one brand which set would you recommend? Prismacolor , Derwant lightfast or polychromos?
Thank you!
I’m going to get them now!!!🎉
Very nice
I love Derwent is nice
I love al my way Faber Castell, and is very nice.
Do these go with panpastels or should I buy pastel pencils. I can’t figure out the difference. Thank you.
If you are using panpastels and want to use a pencil for detail work, I would go with a pastel pencil. Conte a' Paris makes a great pastel pencil.
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Hello!Can I ask what paper did you use for polychromos and derwent?
Bristol Vellum
I have a set of 12 of the PolyChromos that I stalked the Amazon man for...All is well. lol.
Its a great video 😊
I'm the one who commented to ask for comparison
And thanks for your efforts ❤️
If you remember me ,I'm the one who requested you this comparison
Can you please do one more comparison video of
Pablo vs Derwent artist
Coloured pencils
Thanks
I love my Derwent Lightfast pencils also but your’re right the trays are poo-poo #Derwent 😢 Love the. products though. So I put all of my colored pencils in individual pencil cases by Global Arts. Another great video!!!!
Great idea, Michelle. I'll have to review pencil cases next I guess. 😊
My Art Supply Obsession if you do I would recommend the one's I buy from Blick they are the Global Art ones I buy the 120 count size for my large sets of pencils even if it's only a 76 count I buy the large one because I usually buy a few extra of pencils I know I'm going to use a lot of. That way I can keep them with the set and I buy them. If I see them on sale.
@@MPetrovich23 I'll look into that. Thanks. 😊
Thank you. It's really interesting. Would you make a small drawing work both brands and thell your thoughts again? Best regards from Germany
lightfast, end of story. The faber castel chart is extremely unreliable, it's been proven tiome and time again, even by the color pencil society of america, to have 27 three star pencils perform as a 1 (that beeing the most agregious examples of course, it's not like the rest of the chart is safe). And it makes sense, it does not perform according to astm, it was rated decades ago and they have never shown any interest in sharing their tests or modernizing their standards (i wonder why), if that huge range of colours could all be so easily extremely lightfast, they could not, by any standard, even remotely be as cheap as they are (in comparison to truly lightfast pencils ranges) much less while being manufactured in germany.
They have banked on the fact that faber has (or used to have) a good reputation, and it's such an uphill struggle to test the whole range at home for years just to try and bring up this point (but regardless plenty of artists have!). Do they have a nice feel? sure, but their lightfastness is super shady, you are no better using them than using, for example, the cheaper and similarly textured lyra's polycolors. And when people talk about their "great" lightfastness, well, it's always counting on faber's own rating system (by that same judgement, any brand can be lightfast)...which a: blatantly lies b: isn't astm so it's not even a close comparison to the luminance or the derwent lightfast, c: they asign one to three stars to pencils tested on the blue whool scale which works on a 1 to 8 system, so there's a big wiggle room within every braket when "translating".D: and maybe one of the most condeming things, is that even then, according to their own system, when you check for example what a 2 star rating means for a pablo versus a polychromo, you realize caran d ache's standards are way higher, a two star for caran d ache has to be 50+ years, for faber it's just 25+, thats a huge difference! almost double!. Yet people take a fast look at the pablo's chart and go "too many 2 stars, ai'll stick with polychromos", when the pablos actually have a higher percent of lightfast colors in them. but since they are you know, actually reliable and proffessional with their ratings, if you just go counting stars on each brand you may come to a misguided conclusion, sadly...
I feel like at some point tradition became a sunk cost falacy. some people still believe in them and wouldn't even imaghine questioning their ratings, others think of this but it's scxary to think that you invested in a collection under a false premise.
Now at the end of the day if you just plan on colouring pages and then closing said books or leave the pages in shelves, then forget about everything i said _(but then, why would you even bother with the derwent lightfast? just get the coloursoft or chromaflow or prismacolor if you want a soft pencil, and if you need a harder point get the lyra polycolors or just keep using the faber polychromos; no need to spend money on lightfast ranges from any brand. You might even consider sets like the brutfuners (they have an insane range of colours, two sets of 120 different colours each) and they are nice to use. Why bother with lightfastness at all, it honestly feels like a form of FOMO from the arts and crafts community unless, as i said, you do and will actually frame your work or even more, sell the originals.
It’s so funny, cause for me Derwent 72 is around the price of 60 polychromos for me,
A couple of years ago when I started drawing I bought the wooden cas polychromos 120 pc. I sold it again cause I did not draw well enough. ( yes i know..dumb me). Now years later and 100's of graphite landscapes and expositions further my attention is again on maybe start some works in color. I was at the local art shop yesterday...the Derwent Lightfast is very expansive...when bought seperate its almost double the price of Polychromos. Example..the can with 120 Polychromos is 194 € and the Derwent 72 pc is 252 € so there is a very big gap between the prices. I wait another week or maybe longer to make a decission around this..Like the search in my graphite work I think for color its also start from zero...
lightfast, end of story. The faber castel chart is extremely unreliable, it's been proven tiome and time again, even by the color pencil society of america, to have 27 three star pencils perform as a 1 (that beeing the most agregious examples of course, it's not like the rest of the chart is safe). And it makes sense, it does not perform according to astm, it was rated decades ago and they have never shown any interest in sharing their tests or modernizing their standards (i wonder why), if that huge range of colours could all be so easily extremely lightfast, they could not, by any standard, even remotely be as cheap as they are (in comparison to truly lightfast pencils ranges) much less while being manufactured in germany.
They have banked on the fact that faber has (or used to have) a good reputation, and it's such an uphill struggle to test the whole range at home for years just to try and bring up this point (but regardless plenty of artists have!). Do they have a nice feel? sure, but their lightfastness is super shady, you are no better using them than using, for example, the cheaper and similarly textured lyra's polycolors. And when people talk about their "great" lightfastness, well, it's always counting on faber's own rating system (by that same judgement, any brand can be lightfast)...which a: blatantly lies b: isn't astm so it's not even a close comparison to the luminance or the derwent lightfast, c: they asign one to three stars to pencils tested on the blue whool scale which works on a 1 to 8 system, so there's a big wiggle room within every braket when "translating".D: and maybe one of the most condeming things, is that even then, according to their own system, when you check for example what a 2 star rating means for a pablo versus a polychromo, you realize caran d ache's standards are way higher, a two star for caran d ache has to be 50+ years, for faber it's just 25+, thats a huge difference! almost double!. Yet people take a fast look at the pablo's chart and go "too many 2 stars, ai'll stick with polychromos", when the pablos actually have a higher percent of lightfast colors in them. but since they are you know, actually reliable and proffessional with their ratings, if you just go counting stars on each brand you may come to a misguided conclusion, sadly...
I feel like at some point tradition became a sunk cost falacy. some people still believe in them and wouldn't even imaghine questioning their ratings, others think of this but it's scxary to think that you invested in a collection under a false premise.
Now at the end of the day if you just plan on colouring pages and then closing said books or leave the pages in shelves, then forget about everything i said _(but then, why would you even bother with the derwent lightfast? just get the coloursoft or chromaflow or prismacolor if you want a soft pencil, and if you need a harder point get the lyra polycolors or just keep using the faber polychromos; no need to spend money on lightfast ranges from any brand. You might even consider sets like the brutfuners (they have an insane range of colours, two sets of 120 different colours each) and they are nice to use. Why bother with lightfastness at all, it honestly feels like a form of FOMO from the arts and crafts community unless, as i said, you do and will actually frame your work or even more, sell the originals.
Hello, what paper do you use for colored pencils?
A good Bristol Vellum.
Thank you very much!
What paper did you use?
Bristol Vellum
@@MyArtSupplyObsession thank you
Can you do a comparison of CARAN D'ACHE LUMINANCE 76 SET VS PRISMACOLOR 76 SET?
caran d ache win
😊 I am a 72 yo female, I am not offended, but I am finding it a bit hard to be swept in with the ‘guy’s so many people use this terminology now it’s just something to get used to 😂 but to me I’m still a gal or a girl, 😅😅 enjoyed your review I have the 120 Polychromos and 24 lightfast and many other sets, seem to multiply 😂😂😂
I'm sorry. I mean no offence. The tern "guys" has become a very general term these days to refer to everyone. I'll have to think of a new term to welcome everyone to my channel. Thank you for you comment and enjoy your art supplies. 😊
@@MyArtSupplyObsession as I said, I wasn’t offended, no need to apologise, as you said everybody seems to use that now, I didn’t mean to worry you, just an observation on my part. I am of the older generation now, at least my body is 😂 my mind still thinks I’m 25!
@@catlady256 why even point it out if you weren't offended. be honest here.
Edit: oh no, i was about to make a karen joke, then realized your username is cat lady 😂you are either a troll (good job, got me), or lack self awareness
9.57 this shows something I don't like that much of Polychromos, that I own and in general I like: there is not a real red. they are all pinkish or more orange. Not a vibrant real red like the one out of Derwent set