Regular SAK with modified plus scales where I get to store a pen, tweezers, toothpick, pin, and ferro rod. I also store a threaded needle between the liners under other tools. The corkscrew serves many uses such a helping to hold the knife in place on a long stick to saw a branch up in a tree. It’s also helpful for untying knots. The awl/reamer tool is good for sewing heavy fabrics and for drilling holes, yes the Farmer or Pioneer have awls which are great, they lack the hole necessary for heavy fabric sewing. If you have any SAKs, UA-cam has lots of videos on modifications and customization options, not to mention tips and tricks for using your SAK way beyond what you would normally think. My favorite SAK channel is Felix Immler, who also has books he’s written about projects with the SAK, great resource and fun. Thanks for bringing up this discussion JC!
@@urbanknifeguy It kinda sucks that victoranox is as successful as they are. It prevents them from wanting to innovate. like, make almost any model is a non shit steel, and the knife world would go nuts.
Here’s one to add to the discussion: what about one with wooden scales e.g Hunter/Spartan/Evolution, all of which come with walnut scales as an alternative?
I used the Alox Farmer outdoors for two years and had a hard time with it at first. It was only after I removed the key ring and the eyelet and reworked the reamer that it became a good outdoor pocket knife for me. But I missed the small blade from the 91 mm models, for minor surgical interventions in the event of injuries (ticks, splinters, pebbles, etc.) and so I bought the Hiker model. Here too, I first removed the key ring and the eyelet to make it usable for me. I also found that these Celidor handles fit better in the hand with wet or sweaty hands than the Alox handles. For me personally, the Victorinox Hiker is the best pocket knife that you can use in the forest, field and meadow. Apart from this Hiker and a folding saw, I don't need any other tools here in the European forests for survival and bushcraft.
@urbanknifeguy you make two long sticks, with a sharp tip and poke the bear in a case of attack. Btw, a long knife like a camp knife for defence a bear attack is nonsens.
Good video, I didn't see the benefits of the corkscrew before in a 'survival situation' but stowing tinder is a great idea, so agreed the more tools the better if the SHTF, swapping out the tweezers for better ones is a good idea, I keep a mini set of titanium tweezers and EDC the Swiss Soldier (but wish it had a set of grips included).
It really depends on what type of activity you’re planning to deal with. And the great thing about Swiss Army Knives is that you have a ton of option for whatever task you’re planning. But for me personally, my number one go-to is my Farmer X. Why, because it covers pretty much everything whether you’re in an outdoor or urban scenarios. Plus, it looks good. Again, personal preference, yours may vary. Have a great day, JC and to everyone here. Regards from Manila🇵🇭
regular is more functionality; stainless more flexible, not rigid, can bend instead of break-so no real need for thicker blade. Also, Felix Immler has a video on TONS of 3-D printed scales! lots of 3rd party VERY interesting scales available. BTW I love your channel and you have a very good practical sense to your info- mostly because you actually go out there and use it all. I love when you show us what you think works and why..it's really a big help! thanks!!
clariifying the bending of stainless: instead of the brittle high carbon (and harder to sharpen), which would tend to break and not bend, you can bend back the stainless blade. A broken blade is useless. I'd use a larger fixed blade for prying anyways (or maybe the awl, screwdriver, can opener?).
I think there’s a case to be made for the durability of an alox in a wilderness scenario. I own cellidor models for urban use specifically for the extra tools. While I love the scissors, I find the tweezers to be too weak for some tasks, so I end up carrying a pair of Uncle Bill’s, and carrying tinder separate from the knife is not a deal breaker for me. That said, I don’t yet own one, so I’ll have to wait and see!
I personally think that the Alox looks great but practically the regular SAK is more useful. For wilderness survival, I would go with the model that has the best blade, saw, and awl.
You'd probably find the blade and saw better on larger models i.e. 111mm upwards, for example the Soldier 08 aka Trailmaster/One-Handed Trekker. Longer saw and blade, and the blade locks. However the awl on the alox models is probably better.
If I was going out into the wilderness, I would take my Victorinox 111mm Outrider or my 130mm Ranger 79 in a bag or on a belt pouch and in my pocket I would carry the Victorinox 93mm Alox Farmer X with a mini flashlight attached to the key ring.
I would choose one with a handle made of resin. If you want to enjoy "outdoor sports", you should have the necessary gloves, but if you think from a "survival" perspective, you should avoid handles that can get stuck to your fingers on snowy mountains.
@robertanthonybermudez5545 I don't agree. It was structured with intent, based on other comments. However, I understand everyone has their preferences! Thanks again.
@@urbanknifeguy ok im sorry about what i said. I am a newbie on this subject and expected to learn something without prior knowledge. yeah it made sense now that you are catering to your existing subscribers. this video was recommended to me by youtube as something new to watch.
Regular SAK with modified plus scales where I get to store a pen, tweezers, toothpick, pin, and ferro rod. I also store a threaded needle between the liners under other tools. The corkscrew serves many uses such a helping to hold the knife in place on a long stick to saw a branch up in a tree. It’s also helpful for untying knots.
The awl/reamer tool is good for sewing heavy fabrics and for drilling holes, yes the Farmer or Pioneer have awls which are great, they lack the hole necessary for heavy fabric sewing.
If you have any SAKs, UA-cam has lots of videos on modifications and customization options, not to mention tips and tricks for using your SAK way beyond what you would normally think. My favorite SAK channel is Felix Immler, who also has books he’s written about projects with the SAK, great resource and fun.
Thanks for bringing up this discussion JC!
Thanks for sharing as usual! And is, Felix is so creative and a great resource!
I always carry the Super Tinker. I find the screwdriver more useful than the cork screw.
As a backup, I would choose the Ranger Grip 79 😇😇👍
Appreciate your review 🙏
@@BBQRando Thanks for watching!
I'd go for regular SAKs too simply because they have more tools which offers better utility.
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I also heard complaints that the Alox models are cold and rough to handle in harsh environments.
@SubUrbanNinja-EDC good point!
I carry a Farmer and a Rambler. The complement each other well.
@@TheSpecter1975 Yes, nice combo. Thanks for sharing!
Its so silly to me that they wouldn’t make alox scales with tools and back tools
Probably a production or manufacturing process issue. But it would be a great seller!
@@urbanknifeguy It kinda sucks that victoranox is as successful as they are. It prevents them from wanting to innovate.
like, make almost any model is a non shit steel, and the knife world would go nuts.
If I go i to the forest or desert I'm taking my ranger , daily edc though compact with aluminum scales plus or my Pioneer x
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Here’s one to add to the discussion: what about one with wooden scales e.g Hunter/Spartan/Evolution, all of which come with walnut scales as an alternative?
Thanks! I personally would pass as there are no scales tools like the alox.
I used the Alox Farmer outdoors for two years and had a hard time with it at first. It was only after I removed the key ring and the eyelet and reworked the reamer that it became a good outdoor pocket knife for me.
But I missed the small blade from the 91 mm models, for minor surgical interventions in the event of injuries (ticks, splinters, pebbles, etc.) and so I bought the Hiker model. Here too, I first removed the key ring and the eyelet to make it usable for me. I also found that these Celidor handles fit better in the hand with wet or sweaty hands than the Alox handles.
For me personally, the Victorinox Hiker is the best pocket knife that you can use in the forest, field and meadow. Apart from this Hiker and a folding saw, I don't need any other tools here in the European forests for survival and bushcraft.
Thanks for sharing! How will the SAK protect you from a bear or crazy squirrel?
@urbanknifeguy you make two long sticks, with a sharp tip and poke the bear in a case of attack.
Btw, a long knife like a camp knife for defence a bear attack is nonsens.
@toms_dayoff I will be dead before I find two sticks 😂 I watched the documentary the Revenant and Leo killed a bear. 😬
@@urbanknifeguy Thats Hollywood! Okay, the movie was made in other countrys, but I think you know what I mean.
@toms_dayoff Next you will tell me Santa Claus is not real...
Good video, I didn't see the benefits of the corkscrew before in a 'survival situation' but stowing tinder is a great idea, so agreed the more tools the better if the SHTF, swapping out the tweezers for better ones is a good idea, I keep a mini set of titanium tweezers and EDC the Swiss Soldier (but wish it had a set of grips included).
Thanks for watching!
It really depends on what type of activity you’re planning to deal with. And the great thing about Swiss Army Knives is that you have a ton of option for whatever task you’re planning. But for me personally, my number one go-to is my Farmer X. Why, because it covers pretty much everything whether you’re in an outdoor or urban scenarios. Plus, it looks good. Again, personal preference, yours may vary. Have a great day, JC and to everyone here. Regards from Manila🇵🇭
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
regular is more functionality; stainless more flexible, not rigid, can bend instead of break-so no real need for thicker blade. Also, Felix Immler has a video on TONS of 3-D printed scales! lots of 3rd party VERY interesting scales available. BTW I love your channel and you have a very good practical sense to your info- mostly because you actually go out there and use it all. I love when you show us what you think works and why..it's really a big help! thanks!!
clariifying the bending of stainless: instead of the brittle high carbon (and harder to sharpen), which would tend to break and not bend, you can bend back the stainless blade. A broken blade is useless. I'd use a larger fixed blade for prying anyways (or maybe the awl, screwdriver, can opener?).
Thanks so much for your kind words. I try my best! Felix has a great channel!
For wilderness I would go with Celidor for the extra tools, but I EDC an alox Cadet.
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In the woods, you find the red one éasier!
@ChristianHutterer True!
Also very visable in snow
Unless said snow is covered with blood.
I think there’s a case to be made for the durability of an alox in a wilderness scenario. I own cellidor models for urban use specifically for the extra tools. While I love the scissors, I find the tweezers to be too weak for some tasks, so I end up carrying a pair of Uncle Bill’s, and carrying tinder separate from the knife is not a deal breaker for me. That said, I don’t yet own one, so I’ll have to wait and see!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I personally think that the Alox looks great but practically the regular SAK is more useful. For wilderness survival, I would go with the model that has the best blade, saw, and awl.
@@SubUrbanNinja-EDC Thanks for your thoughts!
You'd probably find the blade and saw better on larger models i.e. 111mm upwards, for example the Soldier 08 aka Trailmaster/One-Handed Trekker. Longer saw and blade, and the blade locks. However the awl on the alox models is probably better.
@simonh6371 Agreed to both points!
I'd go with a 111mm Victorinox that has the one handed wavy blade and the wood saw.
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In normal use i say it does not matter but i will always take the Alox Farmer
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Neither I use an Opinel No6..best ever
If I was going out into the wilderness, I would take my Victorinox 111mm Outrider or my 130mm Ranger 79 in a bag or on a belt pouch and in my pocket I would carry the Victorinox 93mm Alox Farmer X with a mini flashlight attached to the key ring.
That sounds like a great loadout!
@@urbanknifeguy Happy New Year, thanks for an interesting video, you will be pleased to know that I have subscribed to your channel.
@sputnikone6281 Thank you and welcome to the channel!
I would choose one with a handle made of resin. If you want to enjoy "outdoor sports", you should have the necessary gloves, but if you think from a "survival" perspective, you should avoid handles that can get stuck to your fingers on snowy mountains.
Yes! Thanks for sharing your input for temperate climates! I never think about that over here in the tropical jungles.
I'd choose an alox, probably the pioneer X. But if i really had a choice I'd pick a 111mm model 😊
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Farmer x is a good choice
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A regular sak is certainly better due to the number of tools. I enjoy the alox alot though
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what a waste of time
Sorry you feel that way. Have a great day!
@@urbanknifeguy yeah your video has no sense of direction and didnt came up with something for viewers to decide.. you're just randomly babbling about
@robertanthonybermudez5545 I don't agree. It was structured with intent, based on other comments. However, I understand everyone has their preferences! Thanks again.
@@urbanknifeguy ok im sorry about what i said. I am a newbie on this subject and expected to learn something without prior knowledge. yeah it made sense now that you are catering to your existing subscribers. this video was recommended to me by youtube as something new to watch.
@robertanthonybermudez5545 maybe this video would be a better introduction - ua-cam.com/video/FLNFEAUyU9I/v-deo.html
"Which should I get? The sh1tty one, or Alox?". The vic tweezers suck and the toothpick is just ok. Get the alox.
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