I can’t believe you’re able to make a comparison video about such a (seemingly) simple tool so engaging for almost 30 minutes. Truly appreciate the effort and expertise you bring to these comparison videos. Thank you!
Seriously, I don't care how well engineered those clamps are, they are priced well beyond the home hobbyist and are meant for those with deep pockets. You want to sell more? Make them more affordable to the masses, not just the elite who can afford them! This is my opinion, for what it's worth! :)
That engineering costs money. Banggood then just copied an existing design. If Woodpeckers hadn't done that design work in the first place, then the cheap knock off wouldn't exist.
@@JohnVanderbeck not $270 worth of engineering. I've made similar using wood that only took a few minutes to workout. You can print these on a basic 3d printer for pennies and buy the l bolts and knobs for a couple bucks. Woodpecker has some measuring tools worth the money, these corner clamps are not worth the money they're asking. Not even close.
This video helps a lot, you went over more than enough detail for me to make my selection. Your videos are always very informative, basic and to the point, so it helps a lot, thanks!
First, you are the best comparison-reviewer on the Internet. Perfect amount of detail without going crazy. Second, I wish Woodpecker's stuff wasn't so durn-well-designed-and-thought-out. Every time I think the BangGood stuff just might be worth the savings, I'm torn by Woodpecker's ginormous price but their simply incredible thoughtfulness.
It basically comes down to a few things: 1. Are your pockets bottomless, and you can afford to buy just about anything, and never worry about the price tag? (just like the saying, 'If you have to ask how much it costs, you probably can't afford to buy it') 2. How much are you going to use them, and/or is there something specific you _need_ that they offer? or 3. Do you do this for a living, and they will end up paying for themselves in the long run (think of Festool Domino)? I've been wanting various Woodpeckers items, but the cost has been a huge turn-off. So, instead of forking out the 100s and 100s of dollars, I've decided to get the Bangers stuff first, see how much I use it, and decide if I want to upgrade later down the road. Much like buying 'big box' tools first, instead of shelling out for Festool, Jet, Powermatic, etc right out of the gate.
I have used the non-Woodpecker corner clamps quite a bit and I do find them to be quite fiddly, but they do indeed work. For me, if I did woodworking for a living I could justify the cost of Woodpeckers, but I’m just a hobbyist. I can live with the non-Woodpeckers brand. Good review.
Great review. I have purchased many Woodpecker tools over the years, including One Time Tools. Seeing these systems head-to-head drives home the fact that Woodpeckers is like the Festool of hand tools. Yes, they are stupid expensive in comparison to other tools that do the same thing, but they have these little extras engineered in. The acme threads, the keyed bolts and clamp blocks, the taller knobs for giving finger clearance. I have never regretted buying the best, even at a higher price point.
Been really enjoying this series. You are very thoughtful and thorough with you reviews and unbiased letting the viewer come to their own conclusions. The right choice is still up to each user based on the information you present.
I don't want to. I want to hold the square to an exact position with one hand and turn the knob with the other, just as they are intended. When I work, I don't have the time or patience to hold things in some certain way to get them to work. I just want them to work.
Surely you should have three assistants? 1 to hold the boards in place. 1 to hold the L-bar. And 1 to put the j-clamp on. And you just sit there and use hand gestures and grunts to get them to do your bidding. Surely that's easier than having a tool that works correctly out of the box???
This is a really great comparison that shows just how well thought out Woodpecker products are compared to others. Using these daily, I can see the great advantage for a product that would last a lifetime of use. Thanks.
I picked up the 140mm version of the Banggood clamp last month, only two. I bought them to use in setting up 90 degree corners for smaller projects since they have holes you can use to secure them to a flat surface. I did check them against my engineers square and they are a true 90. I have other Banggood tools which I use daily and find them to be very suitable to the task. I do agree there are times when they miss they mark in the fine details of a tool when compared to a big name in the industry. In my opinion it boils down to your preferences when working and what you are willing to deal/compromise with. As my eyes are getting older I find those small details can be a game changer. Thanks as always for a great breakdown 👍 Your insight often helps me to determine my next tool purchase.
This whole video series has been so interesting. It's sort of a unique thing to be able to see the differences between things. Something that otherwise wouldn't happen.
You wouldn't think there would be much difference. You proved different. IMO, you get what you pay for. I would rather pay a little more and avoid the hassles. Great video. Thank you.
Excellent video, the drill pro clamps are a significant better value! Keep up the great work as the goal is for us to continue to inspire others to build something awesome!
Excellent review! I was seriously thinking about getting a set or two of these, but they don't look like they will significantly improve the workflow of the projects I typically do. My DIY corner blocks and clamps aren't that much more clumsy to work with than these products. I think I'll opt to spend the money on a few more quality trigger clamps.
Great video, Jodee. Love your direct, conversational delivery on your videos. Also the common sense approach (not so common these days.) Love the woodpeckers quality, but man they are proud of their stuff! Hope all is well on the left coast. Thanks for this one, keep doing what you do!
Hello from Canada 🇨🇦. Just want to say thank you for this review , on the website they seem to be something real handy if they work. And well you have given me enough information to make a educated decision. Thanks for that .👍
Funny this came up today as I'm looking at this. I appreciate that you go over all over your experience. I don't like buying the knock-off Woodpeckers stuff because I'll usually want to get the real thing later if it's worth having. There is one thing I can't get around at this moment, though - the Woodpeckers clamps are out of stock until August (the squares are available by themselves). 3 Months is a long time if you need to make something now. I also think it's worth considering that you could order either clamp or bolts separately on either side, and upgrade parts of the cheaper clamps if you can find the right bolts or knob.
I just picked up a set of the Woodpeckers clamping squares and they're pretty awesome. Expensive, but if you plan on building boxes, drawers, etc frequently it makes sense to keep in the shop. I built a set of drawers for the very first time and they turned out perfectly square - measured corner to corner, and glide like butter. I used a design without drawer slides, the carcass has 3/4 dado on the sides and the drawer bottom slides into the dado and the drawer sides/front/back sit on the bottom. There's an 1/8" of slop built in to help with binding but ehhhh it's also a shop drawer.
I made 2 sets of these almost 50 years ago in high school. I used thread spools for the clamps, and even made my own j bolts. Yes, ACME threads. I still use them. I'm a hobby woodworker, not a pro cabinet maker. I've never seen a reason to upgrade.
Nice review as always although I can't understand why you didn't check them for accuracy on the 90 degree. I would have thought that a pretty fundamental "must have"? Not much point clamping at 85 degrees LOL (I don't seriously expect them to be out of square but in a review, I would have expected a check none the less ;) ) I have the Drillpro set and they have one feature you didn't mention. They have holes in the bars which allow you to screw them down to your bench and use them in a holding/set-up/jiggy-type way. I have found that to actually be very useful - maybe even more than the "traditional" way. I was really impressed with the extra thinking that has gone into the Woodpecker set to increase the ease of use. Seriously well designed and an example of where the premium price tag money went :)
11:44 I wrapped heat activated shrink tubing around the chrome bar and then heat gun to tighten my Chinese knock offs. 10:48 This spinning of the clamp around the chrome bolt is the only major problem with the Chinese knock offs. I'm currently working on a solution. - may involve just using harbour freight grip clamps
Hat I love about your videos is how in depth you are about the knowledge of each item before you do the video. Love them. By the way I bought the pencils you use and there awesome
Thanks for the comparison, good to know...i'd put up with the slightly trickier handling and get 4 x 140's for $75 shipped to the UK whereas the 4 Woodies would cost me $220 'excluding' the shipping/taxes
I wonder do the woodpecker's clamps fit in the cheaper squares' holes? If so there might be a middle-way solution of buying the cheaper squares and the better clamps.
A simple hack to mitigate the rotating j-bolt is to wrap a rubber band around the clamp. This not only prevents the j-bolt from spinning but also provides a self closing function to the clamp. Thus you can easily position it with one hand, no matter the direction, and safly let it go of it to reposition your hand around the knob. With the right rubber band strength it will stay in place by itsef! And as the clamp is already closed the thigthening becomes really simple. Bolt threads are now freed up so you can spin the knob all the way with just a few taps.
Great review. I can't believe you held my attention for 20 minutes on such a simple tool. I don't own any woodpeckers stuff because I'm a hobbyist, not a pro. But I can see where the woodpeckers is the superior tool, but at $270 for the full set.....good lord!!! I was a professional mechanic for years. I own a lot of Snap-On, Mac, and Matco tools. It's the same thing. For a pro doing it day in and day out and time being a concern, snap-on stuff is worth the money in many areas. But for the hobbyist, it doesn't make sense.
That was an awesome video! You know what man, all of your videos are awesome!! I am actually going to give your take on sho sugi bhan a go this weekend or next on a bench/router table effort. I will try and send some pics your way🙌🤘😄💥 Magnificent work though man, I am very happy you have made your channel and have been doing you and rocking it💥🤘🙌
I realize it isn't all about money but it is certainly worth noting that the Woodpecker clamps will cost you a little more than twice as much as a set of four 160mm Drillpro clamps and three times as much as a set of four 100mm Drillpro clamps. It would be interesting to know if the Woodpecker clamp rods fit nicely in the Drillpro clamp squares.
I really enjoyed your review. Thank you for making the effort. I found your review very well balanced. Yes the Woodpecker is the better product, but at a price. For the number of times, as a hobbyist, I will be using clamps I think the value of the Drillpro wins out. I’d love a workshop full of Woodpecker but I don’t have bottomless pockets. I’d already ordered Drillpro from Banggood before watching so you’ve made me happy with my decision. 👍
you can just toss in a few washers between the knob and the clamp if you want more finger room. Also, a standard thread means you might be able to find something at the box hardware store to get a better jbolt. Obviously, that is a pain, but at least an option if you want to upgrade or replace a lost part. And ya, if you wanna invest some effort, making your own could be the way to go.
I'm not sure where you live, but where I live metric j-bolts are not something that's easy to come by. Same with metric knobs. But yes, if one wanted to go through the effort of buying a new tool set and then completely overhauling it with new parts, one could do that. I'm a big fan of making your own. Then you can make them however you want!
The funny thing is that apart from maybe the acme thread, most of the differences are not things that actually cost significantly more to make, just that someone stopped and thought for a second about how it would be used. A bigger knob, and the extra inch of material on the bolt really wouldn't affect the cost all that much.
Are the features of the Woodpeckers worth the extra price when ultimately they all do the exact same thing. Was surprised you didn't check them for square.
I was also surprised and disappointed you didn’t compare/check for squareness. To me this would have been the most crucial comparison. Otherwise it was a great review.
This was the second or third take of this video and in the first two takes I mentioned checking them for square but somehow I forgot in the final take. That was my mistake. Mine were all square but one thing that I see over and over again is that there are inconsistencies with the lower-end tools and how many are shipped to the same specs. Some are square, some are not. This can even be found in the review sections of the products themselves. Woodpeckers is the only one that has strict quality standards and actually lists them ( ± .0255 degrees).
Love your videos mate but honestly disappointed with this one for the first time ever! Sorry to be negative as I love your vids and will continue to do so but you can’t realistically compare woodpeckers to drillpro without mentioning price when your at a min or half if not a quarter of the price! Also it’s the first time where I have seen a review from you where you don’t talk about advantages both ways: drillpro advantages are that they are standard threads meaning that you can repair them if ever needed with a tap kit, the knobs used are also the typical knobs used on mitre track systems so you can buy replacements cheaply off the shelf. The 160mm version also has counter bores hole used for fastening the squares to your bench very useful if you have a number of pocket holes to fix for example. Fix two of them on your bench, inside outside and you have an instant jig. Disadvantages of the drillpro they can be hard to remove squeeze out from and they dent pretty easy if you drop them into a concrete floor.
Actually I never talk about price in my comparison videos. Metric j-bolts and knobs are not something that one can easily find where I live, or easily on any major woodworking website for that matter, so upgrading hardware would take quite some time researching different parts online and looking at all the specs to make the perfect hardware set. I could probably find a metric die, but it would also be the only time I ever used it. Also that's where acme threads are really nice to have. Much more robust and durable than standard threads. Plus if I had to buy the less expensive kit and then buy all new hardware and potentially buy a die, I'd eventually be in it for the same amount as the more expensive ones, with added frustration. And they will all dent easily if dropped on a concrete floor. They're all aluminum. Yes the one set has holes for fastening to a bench, just not something that I have a need for so I didn't even notice to be honest.
@@InspireWoodcraft thanks for the reply mate as mentioned I was trying not to be negative but constructive, you release great vids and you appeal to all woodworkers and diy peeps across the globe not just in America. I guess from my end I sometimes forget that the states is imperial biased, we’re actually lucky in aus because everywhere stocks both same as in Japan. The reason I mentioned price is just to balance the augment because without it, in my opinion, there is no argument or review required it’s woodpeckers every time. Thanks again mate
You’re right, @Adam Callaway, when you say how easy it is to forget that the USA uses a different measurement system to the rest of the world. And the USA, being generally blind to what happens beyond its shores, tends to forget it too. The work I do requires me to fabricate a lot of jigs, for which I have a poly tube of stainless steel rods, mostly 6 or 8 mm, some plain and some threaded. And I have an inexpensive tap-and-die set. All easily bought online from eBay. I use the DrillPro angle clamps, and so far I’ve had no reason to regret buying them. But if I had to replace a threaded bar it would be the work of five minutes, no longer. Yes, I’d like to have Woodpeckers kit, but for me it would be sheer self-indulgence.
Thank you this video had useful info (particularly significance of screw head length) that helped me make a choice. found a set on amazon that length is 1.5" should be long enough
I loved your review and the woodpecker brand shows you that even a simple tool can be detailed in design and manufacturing and without these companies and us guys supporting them you guys will loose the skills and innovation that you guys in the U.S should be proud of. We have lost it all in Oz. We can’t get the top quality tools here without a price that is makes it almost impossible due to shipping exchange etc, but I will save harder and go out of my way to get that woodpecker brand in my workshop thanks to reviews like yours that shows differences .
Nice to see the differences! I would love to have the woodpeckers set, but alas the budget is not infinite I will probable settle for the lesser tool because the price discrepancy is so large.
Excellent video. How they should be made; no loud music and exaggerations. If I could afford them, Woodpecker is way to go. Thus, I went with cheap set on Amazon.
On the Banggood clamps you could grind the backs of the L bolts flat and drill and tap the jaw for a set screw and that would solve the flopping problem. Also a nylon spacer from any hardware store between the handle and jaw would give you your finger space. If you want a rounded corner on the square just put one on it. It’s aluminum, easy to work. For the price difference you could almost buy a grinder and a tap set.
I 100 percent appreciate and agree with your intelligent, thorough understanding of these clamps. I also own sets of the Banggood ones. I bought them about two months ago now and I totally wish I had seen a comparison before my purchase. Though I do really like these Banggood versions, I completely agree with your observations and slight struggles that you’ve had with them. They are definitely finicky and almost impossible to use while settling up one handed. I don’t know how many times they have slipped out of my hands or off my work pieces and bounced across my workbench onto the floor at the worst possible moment. I don’t necessarily agree with how much the woodpeckers ones cost but I believe I would’ve still purchased them instead after seeing your video. That little play that the Banggood ones have is certainly frustrating sometimes and it definitely would’ve kept some of the hairs on my head from falling out if I had the woodpeckers ones instead. Lol! Please keep up your insightful, well thought out content. I always appreciate and respect them 👍🏼👍🏼
This was the second or third take of this video and in the first two takes I mentioned checking them for square but somehow I forgot in the final take. That was my mistake. Mine were all square but one thing that I see over and over again is that there are inconsistencies with the lower-end tools and how many are shipped to the same specs. Some are square, some are not. This can even be found in the review sections of the products themselves. Woodpeckers is the only one that has strict quality standards and actually lists them ( ± .0255 degrees).
I have a couple of the banggood 140mm. I did not know I was missing the features you highlighted with the new Woodpecker model. Ignorance might be bliss! But I agree, I would choose the Woodpecker but for the price. If money were no object....I would always choose Woodpeckers. Reality points to other options. Great review!
I bought the cheaper ones before I saw this. I got very frustrated by the size of the holes in the bracket, so I measured up the diameter of the J bolt and drilled an additional hole between the existing ones. I picked a drill bit so it's a real snug fit, so snug I have to give it a twist as it goes in, they can't fall out on their own now and is much better. I did have to give the ends of the J bolts a bit of a touch up on the grinder as they must use a guillotine to cut them and it deforms the end a bit. Hope this helps.
@@barryallin8161 parts of my last purchase with them arrived quickly and I did notice the ability to choose a source. Unfortunately they didn't have all of it so the waiting game ensued.
Because a fool and his money are soon parted. Once someone bites the shiny red apple they grasp for any reason to justify their waste of money to themselves. "The handles are bigger!" LOL if the handles were smaller, they would say that they're better because they fit into tighter spaces. Any difference they can find they will call an advantage because the only thing worse than spending $250 on two cheap aluminum 90 degree brackets is admitting to yourself that you're a sucker.
These clamps from China were much lower in cost few years back. I remember paying 12 dollars plus 2 dollars for shipping back in 2015 for a set of two. Once tariffs kicked in and demand picked up the price went up.
On the cheaper ones when you put them in the vertical postion you can use your thumb to hold the j bolt thats holding the square but over all wood peckers are the best.
Nice video - very informative comparison. I will say that Woodpecker's is without a doubt, a high-end, high quality brand. But for an MSRP >$200 more than the 160mm metric units you tested, I (and I believe most others) would opt for the less expensive units, and live with the minor inconvenience of more finicky knobs. It's not like they will need constant adjustment - in use, you'd apply the clamps & be done with it until the glue sets up. If they really bother you, replacement knobs can be obtained for far less than the price difference of the two brands.
Excellent video and that’s so difficult to do when we all know one product is far superior to the rest. The one area you didn’t cover was the accuracy of the clamps. I know we don’t need the accuracy of the metal worker most of the time however a simple box maybe just the time we do? Bob England
Fantastic review and comparison, dude! Thanks a lot! 😃 I guess I'm going to grab a few of those smaller ones... I really liked them! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Sorry, but I guess the most important thing to check, was the precision of 90° square. Did you check it on the Chinese ones? Are them dead 90? THANKS !!
How do you like these 90 degree corner clamps compared to the versions, like those by Kreg, where the piece fits into a channel and it has a separate block on the other side that tightens?
Great video. These have been on my mind for the project I’m doing. Good to know what to look out for. Also a thing to think about is duration. I would suspect that the Woodpeckers would last a lot longer.
It seems almost like the j bolts and clamps heads got swapped on the two different bang good clamp sets. It’s interesting to see the rather significant differences between the two brands even though if you took just a quick glance at them you might think that they were the same things.
Not by the time you're finished with the machine shop! The thing that makes the Woodpecker squares work so easily is that the holes in the clamping pieces are "D" shaped rather than round. If a person can do some metal work themselves, that's a viable solution.
Thanks for mentioning. A few folks have suggested that as well but I found it very awkward to do it that way. Might just be a difference on how I work and approach things.
FWIW I have the 140 BGs and while they work fine the color has faded significantly in a few months where they get exposed to the sun. Not a real concern but I can see the graduated rule being unreadable within a year or two. Great review BTW but as its a review of square brackets I thought testing the "squareness" would be included!
I get that the Woodpecker ones are better but I doubt they are like $250 better. BTW the one where your finger keep hitting, take the knob off and throw a stack of washers under the knob, will work a lot better.
Acme threads are transition threads so implemented when you want things moving . I would say woodpeckers have gone through great effort to design the product with them and would be sold on that feature alone.
I didn't buy any of them. Each company sent products to me. This was the second or third take of this video and in the first two takes I mentioned checking them for square but somehow I forgot in the final take. That was my mistake. Mine were all square but one thing that I see over and over again is that there are inconsistencies with the lower-end tools and how many are shipped to the same specs. Some are square, some are not. This can even be found in the review sections of the products themselves. Woodpeckers is the only one that has strict quality standards and actually lists them ( ± .0255 degrees).
@@InspireWoodcraft I agree. The cheaper products are very inconsistent with quality control. And that’s why I also like Woodpecker tools. Thanks again for the video and your honest approach.
Excellent comparison. And you hit upon the key differences. The Woodpecker tools are better thought out and more user friendly than the Banggood ones. Now, whether that added frustration of having to fumble with Banggood ones is worth the price difference between them and the Woodpecker tools is a question only the end user can answer. Your review however, showed what that difference was and that's something which no other review of these particular tools has demonstrated. Nicely done!
I have a pair of clamps which I got from Aliexpress and I believe they are the same as the ones from Banggood. I find the the J-clamps to be finicky and I now rarely use them. The squares themselves are great and I use trigger clamps to hold them in place. This is much easier to to than trying to hold the square, the boards and the J-clamp and then tightening the clamp. Having watched this video and read the comments, I think adding a washer to the J-clamp may help to prevent the clamp from rotating when tightening. The Woodpeckers address one of the problems with the J-clamps by preventing it rotating, but I do not think that justifies the huge price difference.
That's sort of my take as well, although I am not sure a washer would fix the issue of rotating. I have come to the conclusion that if I would have bought the DrillPros, I probably would never use them because they're too finicky.
Great review, often wondered just how much better the Woodpeckers were and If the almost astronomical prices were worth it. Looks like in this case the extra cost is worth it. Thankyou, great content!
I was wondering if you can help me? I need a wood clamp that will work on two by fours, I’m trying to make a square box or actually a box frame out of two by fours and I’m not sure which one to go with
Good points. And the price isn't that bad, the $249 woodpecker is 4 pieces AND a rack, if one take the $219 (no rack) it's $54 a piece, while the drillpro is like $25-30 each, for those features on the woodpecker (now knowing them) it's a no brainer.
how accurate to square are they? That is the most important aspect of woodpeckers to any other company.. If I can save 100s of dollars and still get square I can deal with annoying clamping.
Apples to apples comparison in price (number of squares and clamps per order) I think I could put up with the inconvenience you pointed out ($132.01 per set of 4 squares... you have to order 2 of the Banggood sets to make it even) To get around the inconvenience it would be a simple matter of adding a spacer behind the nob. Not to hard for a DYIer to do.
Come on, the biggest thing in question here is the accuracy. Does the added accuracy of the Woodpecker yield better results than a China version that's off just a tick. Do a side by side comparison showing either one working better or no noticeable difference between them. How accurate do our tools need to be for woodworking? Woodpecker seems to think were machinists, do we need to work in THAT level of tolerances for wood? I've yet to see someone showing the end results probably because there isn't and difference.
Both banggood lines now have mor size options added in, but the design seems to remain the same; one with shorter J bolt, and different shape knobs. In the vertical situation, you probably need to use your right thunb to hold the clamping block to make the process smoother. I do like the details in woodpecker ones. If you value your time and effort more, or woodworking is making money for you, woodpecker is the way to go. If you use these things not very often, and it's only a weekend hobby thing, the drillpro ones can work just fine.
Does this video assume that the cheaper ones are accurate? That’s kinda why I came here. To find out if there’s and accuracy difference between the expensive and cheap ones. I’m a cheap ass but when it comes to accuracy, woodpeckers always tempts me.
Excellent vid as always. I normally can't seem to justify paying woodpecker prices for their tools when others will work fine, but it looks like in the case of these corner clamps it might be worth it.
I'm a hobbyist so I couldn't justify the Woodpeckers square, but I did purchase the 160 square. You're correct the short J bolt is problematic, it has a tendency to fall off rather easily. I would love to buy Woodpecker products but being retired that product line, as well as Festool, are just out of reach for me.
what I don't really get about those is the use scenario: IMO they only really make sense if one is using a fastener that tightens the connection, since the to pieces to be joined are not being pressed together. Is that correct?
I think you are a great guy and your videos are great, but for example in this video you really do everything you can to make the woodpeckers come out better and you really do everything for that. If you do a test, then do a test that is truly independent. Of course the Woodpeckers are better, but the price is after that too. I paid € 27.10 for the 160mm set at AliExpress. If you put prices against the minus and plus, then I think the choice is quickly made. So again, if you do a review then it is really independent, because in this video it is very clear which way you want us to take. Thank you for your beautiful videos.
Thanks for not being rude with your comment like some others. As I recall price has never been mentioned in any of my tool reviews, and most likely won't be in the future either. I don't bring up price because "value" means something different to everyone. Some people think the higher price tag is no problem and think that the less expensive ones are cheaply made, hence the lower cost. Others will say that they want to spend less and for that they don't mind the issues that come with lower priced goods. I could care less with road you take. As I've said before, it's simply to put the information out there for the viewer to see what they should actually expect to get when they make a purchase. Ironically I don't make any money on the Woodpecker's stuff and do earn affiliate commissions with banggood, so if I was going to push you one way or another it would be towards the banggood tools so that I can make more money.
I can’t believe you’re able to make a comparison video about such a (seemingly) simple tool so engaging for almost 30 minutes. Truly appreciate the effort and expertise you bring to these comparison videos. Thank you!
The YT algorithm favors videos stretched to 20 minutes.
I was thinking the same. This Guy is great.
Seriously, I don't care how well engineered those clamps are, they are priced well beyond the home hobbyist and are meant for those with deep pockets. You want to sell more? Make them more affordable to the masses, not just the elite who can afford them! This is my opinion, for what it's worth! :)
That engineering costs money. Banggood then just copied an existing design. If Woodpeckers hadn't done that design work in the first place, then the cheap knock off wouldn't exist.
I just bought some with 4.6 stars on amazon for 26 dollars
You guys in the wood world are nuts paying that much for "precision" aluminum.
I just need it to be 90° and I can take it from there
@@JohnVanderbeck not $270 worth of engineering. I've made similar using wood that only took a few minutes to workout. You can print these on a basic 3d printer for pennies and buy the l bolts and knobs for a couple bucks.
Woodpecker has some measuring tools worth the money, these corner clamps are not worth the money they're asking. Not even close.
This guy speaks so clearly and concisely.
This video helps a lot, you went over more than enough detail for me to make my selection. Your videos are always very informative, basic and to the point, so it helps a lot, thanks!
First, you are the best comparison-reviewer on the Internet. Perfect amount of detail without going crazy.
Second, I wish Woodpecker's stuff wasn't so durn-well-designed-and-thought-out. Every time I think the BangGood stuff just might be worth the savings, I'm torn by Woodpecker's ginormous price but their simply incredible thoughtfulness.
Same thing here. At the start of the video to me they are identical, at the end I'm just annoyed because I want the pricy stuff.
It basically comes down to a few things:
1. Are your pockets bottomless, and you can afford to buy just about anything, and never worry about the price tag? (just like the saying, 'If you have to ask how much it costs, you probably can't afford to buy it')
2. How much are you going to use them, and/or is there something specific you _need_ that they offer?
or 3. Do you do this for a living, and they will end up paying for themselves in the long run (think of Festool Domino)?
I've been wanting various Woodpeckers items, but the cost has been a huge turn-off. So, instead of forking out the 100s and 100s of dollars, I've decided to get the Bangers stuff first, see how much I use it, and decide if I want to upgrade later down the road. Much like buying 'big box' tools first, instead of shelling out for Festool, Jet, Powermatic, etc right out of the gate.
I have used the non-Woodpecker corner clamps quite a bit and I do find them to be quite fiddly, but they do indeed work. For me, if I did woodworking for a living I could justify the cost of Woodpeckers, but I’m just a hobbyist. I can live with the non-Woodpeckers brand. Good review.
Great review. I have purchased many Woodpecker tools over the years, including One Time Tools. Seeing these systems head-to-head drives home the fact that Woodpeckers is like the Festool of hand tools. Yes, they are stupid expensive in comparison to other tools that do the same thing, but they have these little extras engineered in. The acme threads, the keyed bolts and clamp blocks, the taller knobs for giving finger clearance. I have never regretted buying the best, even at a higher price point.
Been really enjoying this series. You are very thoughtful and thorough with you reviews and unbiased letting the viewer come to their own conclusions. The right choice is still up to each user based on the information you present.
You're making it look more difficult than it really is, just hold the j-bolt with your thumb.
I don't want to. I want to hold the square to an exact position with one hand and turn the knob with the other, just as they are intended. When I work, I don't have the time or patience to hold things in some certain way to get them to work. I just want them to work.
I agree. It’s not that hard to use your 3rd hand or your tongue to hold the j-bolt...
Jk. Love the review!!! And thumbnail is fire!
Surely you should have three assistants? 1 to hold the boards in place. 1 to hold the L-bar. And 1 to put the j-clamp on. And you just sit there and use hand gestures and grunts to get them to do your bidding. Surely that's easier than having a tool that works correctly out of the box???
I have cheap ones and they are not at all difficult to work with. I laughed when I watched the video creating theoretical advantages for one brand.
Yeah, because you're a cabinet maker
Lol😅
This is a really great comparison that shows just how well thought out Woodpecker products are compared to others. Using these daily, I can see the great advantage for a product that would last a lifetime of use. Thanks.
Excellent breakdown of the differences between the clamps. It helped make my decision. Thanks!
I picked up the 140mm version of the Banggood clamp last month, only two. I bought them to use in setting up 90 degree corners for smaller projects since they have holes you can use to secure them to a flat surface. I did check them against my engineers square and they are a true 90.
I have other Banggood tools which I use daily and find them to be very suitable to the task. I do agree there are times when they miss they mark in the fine details of a tool when compared to a big name in the industry. In my opinion it boils down to your preferences when working and what you are willing to deal/compromise with. As my eyes are getting older I find those small details can be a game changer.
Thanks as always for a great breakdown 👍 Your insight often helps me to determine my next tool purchase.
This whole video series has been so interesting. It's sort of a unique thing to be able to see the differences between things. Something that otherwise wouldn't happen.
You wouldn't think there would be much difference. You proved different. IMO, you get what you pay for. I would rather pay a little more and avoid the hassles. Great video. Thank you.
Excellent video, the drill pro clamps are a significant better value! Keep up the great work as the goal is for us to continue to inspire others to build something awesome!
Excellent review! I was seriously thinking about getting a set or two of these, but they don't look like they will significantly improve the workflow of the projects I typically do. My DIY corner blocks and clamps aren't that much more clumsy to work with than these products. I think I'll opt to spend the money on a few more quality trigger clamps.
Very helpful comparison. I have been looking at these for a while and your video helped me make a decision!
Great video, Jodee. Love your direct, conversational delivery on your videos. Also the common sense approach (not so common these days.) Love the woodpeckers quality, but man they are proud of their stuff! Hope all is well on the left coast. Thanks for this one, keep doing what you do!
Hello from Canada 🇨🇦. Just want to say thank you for this review , on the website they seem to be something real handy if they work. And well you have given me enough information to make a educated decision. Thanks for that .👍
Funny this came up today as I'm looking at this. I appreciate that you go over all over your experience.
I don't like buying the knock-off Woodpeckers stuff because I'll usually want to get the real thing later if it's worth having. There is one thing I can't get around at this moment, though - the Woodpeckers clamps are out of stock until August (the squares are available by themselves). 3 Months is a long time if you need to make something now.
I also think it's worth considering that you could order either clamp or bolts separately on either side, and upgrade parts of the cheaper clamps if you can find the right bolts or knob.
I just picked up a set of the Woodpeckers clamping squares and they're pretty awesome. Expensive, but if you plan on building boxes, drawers, etc frequently it makes sense to keep in the shop. I built a set of drawers for the very first time and they turned out perfectly square - measured corner to corner, and glide like butter. I used a design without drawer slides, the carcass has 3/4 dado on the sides and the drawer bottom slides into the dado and the drawer sides/front/back sit on the bottom. There's an 1/8" of slop built in to help with binding but ehhhh it's also a shop drawer.
I made 2 sets of these almost 50 years ago in high school. I used thread spools for the clamps, and even made my own j bolts. Yes, ACME threads. I still use them. I'm a hobby woodworker, not a pro cabinet maker. I've never seen a reason to upgrade.
Nice review as always although I can't understand why you didn't check them for accuracy on the 90 degree. I would have thought that a pretty fundamental "must have"? Not much point clamping at 85 degrees LOL (I don't seriously expect them to be out of square but in a review, I would have expected a check none the less ;) )
I have the Drillpro set and they have one feature you didn't mention. They have holes in the bars which allow you to screw them down to your bench and use them in a holding/set-up/jiggy-type way. I have found that to actually be very useful - maybe even more than the "traditional" way.
I was really impressed with the extra thinking that has gone into the Woodpecker set to increase the ease of use. Seriously well designed and an example of where the premium price tag money went :)
11:44 I wrapped heat activated shrink tubing around the chrome bar and then heat gun to tighten my Chinese knock offs.
10:48 This spinning of the clamp around the chrome bolt is the only major problem with the Chinese knock offs. I'm currently working on a solution. - may involve just using harbour freight grip clamps
Very well done video. Extremely detailed info, great for anyone who is considering purchasing a set.
"Im not going to talk about pricing"
$230 v $34 not worth mentioning?
Hat I love about your videos is how in depth you are about the knowledge of each item before you do the video. Love them. By the way I bought the pencils you use and there awesome
Thanks for the comparison, good to know...i'd put up with the slightly trickier handling and get 4 x 140's for $75 shipped to the UK whereas the 4 Woodies would cost me $220 'excluding' the shipping/taxes
One year after your comment and the Woodies are up to $270 USD and with a 10 week lead time.
I wonder do the woodpecker's clamps fit in the cheaper squares' holes? If so there might be a middle-way solution of buying the cheaper squares and the better clamps.
A fantastic comparison of these clamps. Thank you.
Wow you really helped me to decide which one to buy. I'm on the market on this. There is a different version 1/4 the price of the 140mm
Something this simple can also be innovated. Good work woodpecker.
A simple hack to mitigate the rotating j-bolt is to wrap a rubber band around the clamp. This not only prevents the j-bolt from spinning but also provides a self closing function to the clamp. Thus you can easily position it with one hand, no matter the direction, and safly let it go of it to reposition your hand around the knob. With the right rubber band strength it will stay in place by itsef!
And as the clamp is already closed the thigthening becomes really simple. Bolt threads are now freed up so you can spin the knob all the way with just a few taps.
Great review. I can't believe you held my attention for 20 minutes on such a simple tool. I don't own any woodpeckers stuff because I'm a hobbyist, not a pro. But I can see where the woodpeckers is the superior tool, but at $270 for the full set.....good lord!!!
I was a professional mechanic for years. I own a lot of Snap-On, Mac, and Matco tools. It's the same thing. For a pro doing it day in and day out and time being a concern, snap-on stuff is worth the money in many areas. But for the hobbyist, it doesn't make sense.
Thank you. 1 question...did you check relatively for 90 degrees precision?
That was an awesome video! You know what man, all of your videos are awesome!! I am actually going to give your take on sho sugi bhan a go this weekend or next on a bench/router table effort. I will try and send some pics your way🙌🤘😄💥
Magnificent work though man, I am very happy you have made your channel and have been doing you and rocking it💥🤘🙌
I realize it isn't all about money but it is certainly worth noting that the Woodpecker clamps will cost you a little more than twice as much as a set of four 160mm Drillpro clamps and three times as much as a set of four 100mm Drillpro clamps. It would be interesting to know if the Woodpecker clamp rods fit nicely in the Drillpro clamp squares.
It wood with the right size drill bit!
Or 6x more $$ thatna dozen other same-size China brands.
I really enjoyed your review. Thank you for making the effort.
I found your review very well balanced.
Yes the Woodpecker is the better product, but at a price. For the number of times, as a hobbyist, I will be using clamps I think the value of the Drillpro wins out.
I’d love a workshop full of Woodpecker but I don’t have bottomless pockets.
I’d already ordered Drillpro from Banggood before watching so you’ve made me happy with my decision.
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you can just toss in a few washers between the knob and the clamp if you want more finger room. Also, a standard thread means you might be able to find something at the box hardware store to get a better jbolt. Obviously, that is a pain, but at least an option if you want to upgrade or replace a lost part.
And ya, if you wanna invest some effort, making your own could be the way to go.
Or a better knob.
I'm not sure where you live, but where I live metric j-bolts are not something that's easy to come by. Same with metric knobs. But yes, if one wanted to go through the effort of buying a new tool set and then completely overhauling it with new parts, one could do that. I'm a big fan of making your own. Then you can make them however you want!
The funny thing is that apart from maybe the acme thread, most of the differences are not things that actually cost significantly more to make, just that someone stopped and thought for a second about how it would be used. A bigger knob, and the extra inch of material on the bolt really wouldn't affect the cost all that much.
Exactly. But those little things add up.
you gotta pay the guys that thought of the enhancements
Are the features of the Woodpeckers worth the extra price when ultimately they all do the exact same thing.
Was surprised you didn't check them for square.
The drill pro are square
I was also surprised and disappointed you didn’t compare/check for squareness. To me this would have been the most crucial comparison. Otherwise it was a great review.
This was the second or third take of this video and in the first two takes I mentioned checking them for square but somehow I forgot in the final take. That was my mistake. Mine were all square but one thing that I see over and over again is that there are inconsistencies with the lower-end tools and how many are shipped to the same specs. Some are square, some are not. This can even be found in the review sections of the products themselves. Woodpeckers is the only one that has strict quality standards and actually lists them ( ± .0255 degrees).
That's what I really wanted to know....how square are the Woodpecker clamps.
Love your videos mate but honestly disappointed with this one for the first time ever! Sorry to be negative as I love your vids and will continue to do so but you can’t realistically compare woodpeckers to drillpro without mentioning price when your at a min or half if not a quarter of the price!
Also it’s the first time where I have seen a review from you where you don’t talk about advantages both ways: drillpro advantages are that they are standard threads meaning that you can repair them if ever needed with a tap kit, the knobs used are also the typical knobs used on mitre track systems so you can buy replacements cheaply off the shelf. The 160mm version also has counter bores hole used for fastening the squares to your bench very useful if you have a number of pocket holes to fix for example. Fix two of them on your bench, inside outside and you have an instant jig. Disadvantages of the drillpro they can be hard to remove squeeze out from and they dent pretty easy if you drop them into a concrete floor.
Actually I never talk about price in my comparison videos. Metric j-bolts and knobs are not something that one can easily find where I live, or easily on any major woodworking website for that matter, so upgrading hardware would take quite some time researching different parts online and looking at all the specs to make the perfect hardware set. I could probably find a metric die, but it would also be the only time I ever used it. Also that's where acme threads are really nice to have. Much more robust and durable than standard threads. Plus if I had to buy the less expensive kit and then buy all new hardware and potentially buy a die, I'd eventually be in it for the same amount as the more expensive ones, with added frustration. And they will all dent easily if dropped on a concrete floor. They're all aluminum. Yes the one set has holes for fastening to a bench, just not something that I have a need for so I didn't even notice to be honest.
@@InspireWoodcraft thanks for the reply mate as mentioned I was trying not to be negative but constructive, you release great vids and you appeal to all woodworkers and diy peeps across the globe not just in America. I guess from my end I sometimes forget that the states is imperial biased, we’re actually lucky in aus because everywhere stocks both same as in Japan. The reason I mentioned price is just to balance the augment because without it, in my opinion, there is no argument or review required it’s woodpeckers every time. Thanks again mate
You’re right, @Adam Callaway, when you say how easy it is to forget that the USA uses a different measurement system to the rest of the world. And the USA, being generally blind to what happens beyond its shores, tends to forget it too. The work I do requires me to fabricate a lot of jigs, for which I have a poly tube of stainless steel rods, mostly 6 or 8 mm, some plain and some threaded. And I have an inexpensive tap-and-die set. All easily bought online from eBay. I use the DrillPro angle clamps, and so far I’ve had no reason to regret buying them. But if I had to replace a threaded bar it would be the work of five minutes, no longer. Yes, I’d like to have Woodpeckers kit, but for me it would be sheer self-indulgence.
Thank you this video had useful info (particularly significance of screw head length) that helped me make a choice. found a set on amazon that length is 1.5" should be long enough
Thanks for the very fair conmparison Jody! Appreciate your work.
I loved your review and the woodpecker brand shows you that even a simple tool can be detailed in design and manufacturing and without these companies and us guys supporting them you guys will loose the skills and innovation that you guys in the U.S should be proud of. We have lost it all in Oz. We can’t get the top quality tools here without a price that is makes it almost impossible due to shipping exchange etc, but I will save harder and go out of my way to get that woodpecker brand in my workshop thanks to reviews like yours that shows differences .
It looks like it all comes down to how often they will be used. WP is clearly superior. But, very much more expensive. Great comparison, as usual.
Nice to see the differences! I would love to have the woodpeckers set, but alas the budget is not infinite I will probable settle for the lesser tool because the price discrepancy is so large.
That and not only the unit price but the shipping. Woodpecker shipping $71, Bangood shipping $4 WTF woodpecker???
Excellent video. How they should be made; no loud music and exaggerations. If I could afford them, Woodpecker is way to go. Thus, I went with cheap set on Amazon.
On the Banggood clamps you could grind the backs of the L bolts flat and drill and tap the jaw for a set screw and that would solve the flopping problem. Also a nylon spacer from any hardware store between the handle and jaw would give you your finger space. If you want a rounded corner on the square just put one on it. It’s aluminum, easy to work. For the price difference you could almost buy a grinder and a tap set.
If I have to go through all that I would rather just not have them at all.
I 100 percent appreciate and agree with your intelligent, thorough understanding of these clamps. I also own sets of the Banggood ones. I bought them about two months ago now and I totally wish I had seen a comparison before my purchase. Though I do really like these Banggood versions, I completely agree with your observations and slight struggles that you’ve had with them. They are definitely finicky and almost impossible to use while settling up one handed. I don’t know how many times they have slipped out of my hands or off my work pieces and bounced across my workbench onto the floor at the worst possible moment. I don’t necessarily agree with how much the woodpeckers ones cost but I believe I would’ve still purchased them instead after seeing your video. That little play that the Banggood ones have is certainly frustrating sometimes and it definitely would’ve kept some of the hairs on my head from falling out if I had the woodpeckers ones instead. Lol!
Please keep up your insightful, well thought out content. I always appreciate and respect them 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for the kind comment. I'm glad I wasn't the only one!
Thanks for tge video...were they all truely square?
This was the second or third take of this video and in the first two takes I mentioned checking them for square but somehow I forgot in the final take. That was my mistake. Mine were all square but one thing that I see over and over again is that there are inconsistencies with the lower-end tools and how many are shipped to the same specs. Some are square, some are not. This can even be found in the review sections of the products themselves. Woodpeckers is the only one that has strict quality standards and actually lists them ( ± .0255 degrees).
I have a couple of the banggood 140mm. I did not know I was missing the features you highlighted with the new Woodpecker model. Ignorance might be bliss! But I agree, I would choose the Woodpecker but for the price. If money were no object....I would always choose Woodpeckers. Reality points to other options. Great review!
I bought the cheaper ones before I saw this. I got very frustrated by the size of the holes in the bracket, so I measured up the diameter of the J bolt and drilled an additional hole between the existing ones. I picked a drill bit so it's a real snug fit, so snug I have to give it a twist as it goes in, they can't fall out on their own now and is much better. I did have to give the ends of the J bolts a bit of a touch up on the grinder as they must use a guillotine to cut them and it deforms the end a bit.
Hope this helps.
Great imformative video im going to press the button on some of these. For box construction can you get away with 4 or would you recommend buying 8
Currently on Bangood, the 160mm set (2 squares and 4 clamps) are $48.99 with free postage - what's not to like?....
Shipping times from Banggood are getting better as it appears they have set up distribution warehouses. Be prepared for a 30 day wait on shipping.
Most Bangood stuff now comes from Canada (sorry :-) ) so delivery times are pretty close to those in USA
@@barryallin8161 parts of my last purchase with them arrived quickly and I did notice the ability to choose a source. Unfortunately they didn't have all of it so the waiting game ensued.
The fact that a Chinese company is blatantly ripping off the designs of a small American manufacturer, that’s what not to like.
@@jtlong8383 It would be nice to be able to afford principles when it comes to my purchases I guess. Sadly I can't...
Very interesting, i was looking in the future. To get a set of these, another excellent review
As always great info. And after watching the update video,I'm glad you're okay also.
I'd love to see you do a comparison video of Starrett combo squares vs Woodpeckers
So is $229 worth it vs $20 and there is no significant machining/precision difference? I don't see how Woodpeckers is still a thing.
Because a fool and his money are soon parted. Once someone bites the shiny red apple they grasp for any reason to justify their waste of money to themselves. "The handles are bigger!" LOL if the handles were smaller, they would say that they're better because they fit into tighter spaces. Any difference they can find they will call an advantage because the only thing worse than spending $250 on two cheap aluminum 90 degree brackets is admitting to yourself that you're a sucker.
@@wulf67 Amen
These clamps from China were much lower in cost few years back. I remember paying 12 dollars plus 2 dollars for shipping back in 2015 for a set of two. Once tariffs kicked in and demand picked up the price went up.
On the cheaper ones when you put them in the vertical postion you can use your thumb to hold the j bolt thats holding the square but over all wood peckers are the best.
Great comparison, question can you use the Woodpecker J bolt on the Chinese square?
Nice video - very informative comparison. I will say that Woodpecker's is without a doubt, a high-end, high quality brand. But for an MSRP >$200 more than the 160mm metric units you tested, I (and I believe most others) would opt for the less expensive units, and live with the minor inconvenience of more finicky knobs. It's not like they will need constant adjustment - in use, you'd apply the clamps & be done with it until the glue sets up. If they really bother you, replacement knobs can be obtained for far less than the price difference of the two brands.
Excellent video and that’s so difficult to do when we all know one product is far superior to the rest. The one area you didn’t cover was the accuracy of the clamps. I know we don’t need the accuracy of the metal worker most of the time however a simple box maybe just the time we do?
Bob
England
I think I need some of those woodpecker squares.
Fantastic review and comparison, dude! Thanks a lot! 😃
I guess I'm going to grab a few of those smaller ones... I really liked them!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Got to admit,I was steering toward the lower price on Amazon---course correction ,back to Woodpeckers I do like their stuff
For what very minor advantages of the Woodpecker's, they're twice the price of the Bangood's. That's a no brainer...
So true! Especially now during COVID prices seem to have skyrocketed…
Sorry, but I guess the most important thing to check, was the precision of 90° square. Did you check it on the Chinese ones? Are them dead 90?
THANKS !!
How do you like these 90 degree corner clamps compared to the versions, like those by Kreg, where the piece fits into a channel and it has a separate block on the other side that tightens?
Great video. These have been on my mind for the project I’m doing. Good to know what to look out for. Also a thing to think about is duration. I would suspect that the Woodpeckers would last a lot longer.
It seems almost like the j bolts and clamps heads got swapped on the two different bang good clamp sets. It’s interesting to see the rather significant differences between the two brands even though if you took just a quick glance at them you might think that they were the same things.
Buy the 19 drill pro and have a machine shop make you some bolts similar to the woodpeckers. Save yourself several hundred $’s
Not by the time you're finished with the machine shop! The thing that makes the Woodpecker squares work so easily is that the holes in the clamping pieces are "D" shaped rather than round. If a person can do some metal work themselves, that's a viable solution.
They would also have to do work to the blocks as well. They have to be machined to the same shape or it won't work.
I have the 140's. I hold the j-bolt with my thumb on the hand that is positioning the L-bracket. Not really an issue at all.
Thanks for mentioning. A few folks have suggested that as well but I found it very awkward to do it that way. Might just be a difference on how I work and approach things.
FWIW I have the 140 BGs and while they work fine the color has faded significantly in a few months where they get exposed to the sun. Not a real concern but I can see the graduated rule being unreadable within a year or two.
Great review BTW but as its a review of square brackets I thought testing the "squareness" would be included!
The squareness is the MOST IMPORTANT aspect. I can live with the minor inconveniences for as often as I would use them, but NOT out-of-square.
Where do u get the f-style clamps for this separately?
I get that the Woodpecker ones are better but I doubt they are like $250 better. BTW the one where your finger keep hitting, take the knob off and throw a stack of washers under the knob, will work a lot better.
Acme threads are transition threads so implemented when you want things moving .
I would say woodpeckers have gone through great effort to design the product with them and would be sold on that feature alone.
Are they square? and it would have been good to compare a set you bought with the ones banggood sent you.
I didn't buy any of them. Each company sent products to me. This was the second or third take of this video and in the first two takes I mentioned checking them for square but somehow I forgot in the final take. That was my mistake. Mine were all square but one thing that I see over and over again is that there are inconsistencies with the lower-end tools and how many are shipped to the same specs. Some are square, some are not. This can even be found in the review sections of the products themselves. Woodpeckers is the only one that has strict quality standards and actually lists them ( ± .0255 degrees).
@@InspireWoodcraft I agree. The cheaper products are very inconsistent with quality control. And that’s why I also like Woodpecker tools. Thanks again for the video and your honest approach.
Excellent comparison. And you hit upon the key differences. The Woodpecker tools are better thought out and more user friendly than the Banggood ones. Now, whether that added frustration of having to fumble with Banggood ones is worth the price difference between them and the Woodpecker tools is a question only the end user can answer. Your review however, showed what that difference was and that's something which no other review of these particular tools has demonstrated. Nicely done!
I have a pair of clamps which I got from Aliexpress and I believe they are the same as the ones from Banggood. I find the the J-clamps to be finicky and I now rarely use them. The squares themselves are great and I use trigger clamps to hold them in place. This is much easier to to than trying to hold the square, the boards and the J-clamp and then tightening the clamp.
Having watched this video and read the comments, I think adding a washer to the J-clamp may help to prevent the clamp from rotating when tightening. The Woodpeckers address one of the problems with the J-clamps by preventing it rotating, but I do not think that justifies the huge price difference.
That's sort of my take as well, although I am not sure a washer would fix the issue of rotating. I have come to the conclusion that if I would have bought the DrillPros, I probably would never use them because they're too finicky.
Great review, often wondered just how much better the Woodpeckers were and If the almost astronomical prices were worth it. Looks like in this case the extra cost is worth it. Thankyou, great content!
did you both to check if they were all a true 90 degrees?
I was wondering if you can help me? I need a wood clamp that will work on two by fours, I’m trying to make a square box or actually a box frame out of two by fours and I’m not sure which one to go with
Good points. And the price isn't that bad, the $249 woodpecker is 4 pieces AND a rack, if one take the $219 (no rack) it's $54 a piece, while the drillpro is like $25-30 each, for those features on the woodpecker (now knowing them) it's a no brainer.
how accurate to square are they? That is the most important aspect of woodpeckers to any other company.. If I can save 100s of dollars and still get square I can deal with annoying clamping.
Did you check square?
Thanks for the information.
I appreciate how you provide your opinion but don't try to push people one way or the other.
Apples to apples comparison in price (number of squares and clamps per order) I think I could put up with the inconvenience you pointed out ($132.01 per set of 4 squares... you have to order 2 of the Banggood sets to make it even) To get around the inconvenience it would be a simple matter of adding a spacer behind the nob. Not to hard for a DYIer to do.
I maybe missed it but were the drillpros actually square?
Come on, the biggest thing in question here is the accuracy. Does the added accuracy of the Woodpecker yield better results than a China version that's off just a tick. Do a side by side comparison showing either one working better or no noticeable difference between them. How accurate do our tools need to be for woodworking? Woodpecker seems to think were machinists, do we need to work in THAT level of tolerances for wood? I've yet to see someone showing the end results probably because there isn't and difference.
Both banggood lines now have mor size options added in, but the design seems to remain the same; one with shorter J bolt, and different shape knobs.
In the vertical situation, you probably need to use your right thunb to hold the clamping block to make the process smoother. I do like the details in woodpecker ones. If you value your time and effort more, or woodworking is making money for you, woodpecker is the way to go. If you use these things not very often, and it's only a weekend hobby thing, the drillpro ones can work just fine.
Does this video assume that the cheaper ones are accurate? That’s kinda why I came here. To find out if there’s and accuracy difference between the expensive and cheap ones. I’m a cheap ass but when it comes to accuracy, woodpeckers always tempts me.
Great video as always! Will the bangood clamps and squares fit on the woodpecker rack?
Excellent vid as always. I normally can't seem to justify paying woodpecker prices for their tools when others will work fine, but it looks like in the case of these corner clamps it might be worth it.
Most important for me would be if they are perfectly square. I recently returned a set to the local store because they weren't square.
I'm a hobbyist so I couldn't justify the Woodpeckers square, but I did purchase the 160 square. You're correct the short J bolt is problematic, it has a tendency to fall off rather easily. I would love to buy Woodpecker products but being retired that product line, as well as Festool, are just out of reach for me.
what I don't really get about those is the use scenario: IMO they only really make sense if one is using a fastener that tightens the connection, since the to pieces to be joined are not being pressed together. Is that correct?
That's kind of what I've been stuck on lately too
Im at the 9:00 mark and instantly I thought put a short spacer tube between the block and handle to create the space you like for your fingers
I think you are a great guy and your videos are great, but for example in this video you really do everything you can to make the woodpeckers come out better and you really do everything for that. If you do a test, then do a test that is truly independent. Of course the Woodpeckers are better, but the price is after that too. I paid € 27.10 for the 160mm set at AliExpress. If you put prices against the minus and plus, then I think the choice is quickly made. So again, if you do a review then it is really independent, because in this video it is very clear which way you want us to take. Thank you for your beautiful videos.
Thanks for not being rude with your comment like some others. As I recall price has never been mentioned in any of my tool reviews, and most likely won't be in the future either. I don't bring up price because "value" means something different to everyone. Some people think the higher price tag is no problem and think that the less expensive ones are cheaply made, hence the lower cost. Others will say that they want to spend less and for that they don't mind the issues that come with lower priced goods. I could care less with road you take. As I've said before, it's simply to put the information out there for the viewer to see what they should actually expect to get when they make a purchase. Ironically I don't make any money on the Woodpecker's stuff and do earn affiliate commissions with banggood, so if I was going to push you one way or another it would be towards the banggood tools so that I can make more money.
totally agree, very bias video
I’ve missed you thanks for the video I wanted someone to compare these to woodpeckers corner square