HALLOWEEN III: SEASON OF THE WITCH - Overlooked Classic, or Over-Hyped Disaster?
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2024
- Part 3 of the Halloween franchise retrospective. 1982’s Halloween III: Season of the Witch, the movie without Michael Myers, always sparks controversy amongst fans. A look at the debate surrounding Halloween III.
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FILM CLIPS USED:
Halloween (John Carpenter, 1978, Compass International Pictures)
Halloween II (Rick Rosenthal, 1981, Dino De Laurentiis Corporation)
Halloween III: Season of the Witch (Tommy Lee Wallace, 1982, Dino De Laurentiis, Universal Pictures)
The Nightmare isn’t Over: The Making of Halloween II (Michael Felsher, 2012, Scream Factory)
Stand Alone: The Making of Halloween III: Season of the Witch (Michael Felsher, 2012, Shout Factory)
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers (Dwight H Little, 1988, Trancas International)
Halloween: Resurrection (Rick Rosenthal, 2002, Dimension Films)
Halloween: 25 Years of Terror (Stefan Hutchinson, 2006, Anchor Bay)
Dawn of the Dead (George A Romero, 1978, Laurel Group)
ET, The Extra Terrestial (Steven Spielberg, 1982, Amblin, Universal)
Poltergeist (Tobe Hooper/Steven Spielberg, 1982, MGM/UA)
Rocky II (Sylvester Stallone, 1979, Chartoff-Winkler)
The Thing (John Carpenter, 1982, Universal)
Messiah of Evil (Willard Hyuck, Gloria Katz, 1973, International Cine Film Corp.)
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (Quentin Tarantino, 2019, Columbia)
Poltergeist Trailer
Friday the 13th: Part 3-D Trailer
Parasite Trailer
Cinema Showcase: John Carpenter (1984) • Cinema Showcase profil...
Arena Cinema: John Carpenter and Halloween (31/01/1979) - • ARENA CINEMA - John Ca...
MUSIC USED:
Halloween III Soundtrack, By John Carpenter and Alan Howarth.
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Thanks very much for all of your kind words and comments, it's been great to hear from you all. Just wanted to flag up something, and that is that, looking back, I realise, as some of you have rightly pointed out, that the voiceover in this video is fucking insanely fast, and I can only hold my hands up and apologise. That's just a result of me not having a clue what I was doing at the time, and being shit at voice editing. With hindsight, I can see that it's pretty tough to listen to, so I just wanted to thank everyone who's had the patience to sit through it, and given me a like anyway.
Because there's been so much growth in the channel lately, I've been getting a bit of impostor syndrome, and really wanted to tell all of you that I know that I could do better. I'm busy with the 31 DAYS OF FELISSA ROSE at the moment, but at some point soon, I'm going to try and re-do this video in the hopes of making it a little bit less shit, now that I've had some more experience, and hopefully, you'll give that version the same love that you've shown this one.
Thanks to you all, and have a very merry Samhain.
Don't sweat it - everyone has their vocal style. My only criticism would be to up the gain slightly - I like your voice. You remind me of Rob Ager and know your stuff. I study Carpenter seriously but you bring up things I forgot or didn't know. Keep it up. Sub earned.
Really? I really liked the vocal style for these Halloween retrospectives.
I love Halloween III... and Tom Atkins RULES!!!
@Trzn 2 - that's true. LOL!
HELL YEAH!
If I was a 20 something year old attractive female hitchhiker in a foggy seaside town pfffff
Forget about it.
I'm taking a flood you need an ark to survive.
Oh yeah. Plus if you watch it before Terminator you'll see some eerie similarities.
I love it, personally. It feels like a vintage John Carpenter movie. And it's so bizarre!
This is actually the most memorable movie of the franchise, for me.
I don't care what anyone thinks. This movie is fantastic. The best one other than the original.
this movie is fantastic are you out of your fucking mind
@@eddiemunster7474 He seems quite sane to me.
I like it far better than the original.
I don’t consider H3 as part of the franchise. When I’m ranking the Halloween films I always skip to 4 even tho that one is the real part 3.
Wish a sequel was made for this one instead of doing Myers over and over again.
It's an overlooked classic, just about. For kids of the 1980s this is a guilty pleasure. The films drips with that early 1980s John Carpenter aesthetic look, sound and feel that firmly puts it in the same stable as classics like The Fog, Escape From New York and The Thing. Tom Atkins in the lead role helped greatly. It's a cheesy inoffensive gory horror that fits the bill this and every Halloween movie marathon.
I absolutely love this film. What the **** is wrong with people that they want every sequel to just be the original film over again. I'll have "X more days 'til Halloween, Halloween" in my head until the day I die! Or something.
More like bad parodies of it.
Halloween III is a masterpiece, loved every moment of it
I did to
Okay, let's not get crazy. I like this movie a lot as well, but I think that the masterpiece (if they continued on) would probably be one of the sequels.
They planned to do another Halloween movie (No Myers) after this, a ghost story. Amazing underated film, love the underlying themes that relate even more today eg., Corporate/Elite takeovers, declining quality of mass produced products, de-population!
No way. Season of the Witch is such a bizarre movie. It would have been remembered even if it wasn't attached to Halloween.
Then why is it more popular than The Stuff and Society?
This and the original Fog remain some of favourite movies.
I agree. And it's October so it's time to get em out of my DVD library and watch em again.
@@stephaniegormley9982 I'll be watching the Fog on Tubi.
I saw this in the theater during its regular theatrical run. My brother and I were really confused when we realized Michael Myers was not in it. That being said, I still enjoyed it. Over the years I’ve grown to love it. Currently, it’s my favorite in the series aside from the original.
Must have been great on the big screen. It's such a beautifully shot movie. I'm intrigued, though: Do you think you'd realistically have gone to see it back then if it had just been called 'Season of the Witch?'
@@MorbidMoonlight I watched the original Halloween with my family when it aired on network television the year prior. I had seen old Dracula and Frankenstein movies, but had never seen anything like Halloween. I was literally blown away! Us having not seen H2 yet, all my brother and I knew was Michael was still alive at the end of H1. When we went to go see H3, we made the logical assumption that Myers would be in it. If it had been named Season of the Witch that definitely would've eliminated all the confusion. However, I'm positive we wouldn't have went thru the effort to see it back then if Halloween had not been in the title.
Its interesting that you hadn't seen H2, since that definitely would have suggested, as this was before the unkillable bogeyman trope had been done to death, that Michael might have been dead for good.
It's crazy how many people must have felt 'duped' by Halloween 3, even though all the publicity was saying that this was a Michael-free movie, but it's great that everyone now can see it for the great movie it is. Little bit more of a shame for Tommy Lee Wallace, and all the people involved, when the film flopped.
Cheers for sharing, though. Really interesting story, glad you still love H3.
@@MorbidMoonlight Yeah you would think it should've obvious that there was no Michael in H3. Just to provide a little context though, they weren't exactly announcing that detail in the trailers I remember seeing. The 30 second spots I remember didn't provide much detail about the plot. I do recall seeing glimpses of gray suits lurking around and thinking that must be Michael. Also, TVs were so much smaller back then. And there was no such thing as HD. It was difficult to make out the little details on those older TVs. Also, there was no DVR to rewind and pause live TV. The internet didn't exist yet so you couldn't Google the latest movies trailers or read about production details and casting choices. Fangoria magazine was really the only resource for horror flicks back then. I do recall reading about H3 in an issue of Fangoria, but that was well after having seen the film.
When did you first start to really appreciate Season of the Witch as a film? Straight away, or did you feel cheated at first, then kind of re-evaluate it over time, when you knew the whys and wherefores?
My favorite bit of Tom Atkins acting in this is while he is at the bar. His life is a mess and there is a Looney Tune playing on the tv.His reactions while smoking a ciggerette is priceless. You see so much as he listens to the wacky sound and visuals..Its both sad and quite funny if you have had a moment in your own life to relate this to in hindsite. He finally builds up the strength to ask the bartender to change this please , in an aggitated manner..I love Halloween 3 for moments such as this one.
Yeah, it was interesting how he's an absentee father, constantly drinking, pushing 50, and a womanizer.
...and the next channel is showing an ad for a TV airing of the original Halloween, which makes the moment even funnier lol. I made a comment above how I'm not really a fan of this movie, but your mentioning that moment kind of makes me wanna watch it again. I think Atkins is one of the few solidly good things about the movie, but he's always awesome.
@@findlesplurb He truly is, Ive always loved the movie for being more of a modern Halloween Cult ritual that uses the Mysterious Stonehenge as a tool of cosmic horror. Also the Invasion of the Bodysnatchers style paranoia storyline. As well as the great Carpenter score. If it was remade with a bigger budget and some story elements altered in particular the Robot henchmen..It could be a thrilling movie. One last note is that with yet another Myers film being shot out the Rube Goldberg conveyer belt. It was a great idea to shift Halloween into a Anthology for every new entry. To do a new story and hire a different director and crew with Carpenter and Debra Hill Producing,could still be a tradition thing every Halloween. Unfortunately it didnt take and now we have so many timelines of the same Killer its like The Terminator..Anyways, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I chuckled just thinking about it in my car when i got the notification..
This film has a great soundtrack, interesting story and it feels like a John Carpenter film
I agree. Thought this was such a bizarre movie but understand what it was trying to achieve now and find it a cool little movie with a great atmosphere. It does have a carpenter like feel to it….music helps a lot there. It’s like an extended twilight zone episode, which is no bad thing
I remember watching this when I was a kid and wondered where Michael Myers was in the movie. I thought I kept missing him in the movie. I hated it as a kid now I love it as a 44 yr old adult. Loved Cochrans speech about the origins of Halloween and the boy in the test lab with his poor mom and dad.
Love this. First Halloween film I ever saw. Introduced it to my 18 year old nephew 2 days ago and he loved it too. Being half Irish too I loved the Celtic/Witchcraft overtones.
It's a movie in It's own. It grew on me as I got older and I find it to be a classic as of now. Pure nostalgia!
The silver shamrock jingle is simply london bridge is falling down with different words.
I would love to have seen more Halloween anthology movies.
I really like this film. I never call it Halloween 3. I always just name it "Season Of the Witch" If you want a connection to Michael Myers here, you can. My old theory is perhaps this films hidden message is that maybe they are trying to say that Michael Myers is really a "robot" & that's why he's hard to kill....& never bleeds.
Was never really a fan of slasher flicks so this one always stood out to me. The mask/bug scenes terrified me as a kid. Goosebumps kinda ripped this off with the mask that couldn’t come off.
I totally get that, but this movie is just a weaker film than the original.
I went to see it in the theater when I was 11 I think. I was massively disappointed that MM wasn't in it, and for years I never gave it a second watch. I did eventually go back to it, divorcing it from the original 2 and enjoyed it partly from nostalgia, partly on it's own merits. I still was shaking my head , just wondering what the film maker were thinking by trying to get that past us. Like the Friday the 13th TV series with no Jason, which I went on to enjoy regardless. Then I found out how that Halloween was supposed to be an anthology originally I threw out all of the past vitriol. It's a movie, not a religion, just enjoy yourself.
It this movie had just been called Season of the Witch without the Halloween III, it absolutely would have been better received in its time, and would still be a beloved cult classic now. Despite this movie's flaws, it was an extremely original concept with iconic visuals and one of the bleakest endings in cinema history. Slash the haters.
Would it be a cult classic tho? The Burning is a great horror film, but don’t think it’s really a “cult classic”
I seen this at the Olathe South Drive-Inn, Olathe Ks. I liked it a lot. I went back the next weekend and it was gone. I knew it wasn't connected to the first two Halloween movies. So that probably helped compared to the people who didn't know it wasn't. I loved it. And I jumped and spilled my beer when the chip malfunction happened.
* saw
This movie was so underrated !! I loved it growing 💗
It's a halloween themed James Bond. Amazing.
Essentially. But with way more child death, and a much cooler hero
@@MorbidMoonlight Yeah, a dude who's slightly less sexist, and by that I mean he's not a misogynist, but doesn't treat women the best.
This movie has aged VERY well.
I must say I quite enjoy it. Cochran is one compelling villain and it is always nice to see Atkins on the screen. You can't lie about the really shlock effects, even for that time but the music, the scenery, the acting, it is all so damn compelling and you are drawn into the story immediatly. Not that there are'nt any flaws, the romance between Challis and Grimbridge was really forced buuuut if you take the possibility into consideration that she was a android the whole time it makes more sense. The supporting cast was ok too, I just have a soft spot for big children like Buddy Kupfer. He really is a treat. Some of the movies failure is of course undeniably connected to the expectations of the audience to see another Michael Myers outing. But I think Carpenter is the right for an anthology series, hell you could take his movies in a row and make a big "Horror Anthology" out of it. It is great. But I digress, personally I have watched Halloween 3 a few months ago and will again this october as it is just the perfect movie for a chilly evening on the sofa with a few beers. Nothing more, nothing less. It is no masterpiece, has undeniable flaws, but the mood, acting and music balance it out and stop it from
becoming just a bad movie. The premise is ok, not great but at least creative, the villain is charmingly vicious and evil especially if you take his goals into consideration. Halloween as it was, lots of dead children given to their gods and he calls it a "prank" on the kids. As said I watch it one to two times a year and I am satisfied every time!
So a movie decrying the sins of commercialism and consumerism failed because it wasn't marketed well enough? That's like...irony, man
Imagine no internet, you're not the kinda "weirdo" to have a mail subscription to a horror magazine (if you could fine one, and if it had a blurb on whats coming).. Going in cold and pay your $3.55 not counting the Cola and Popcorn. No Michael , no Jamie ....not even remotely same vibe. WTH ! ! ! ....You would have the quickly fading irritation that you will never have the answer to what that was about. Dismiss the franchise and forget.
I love Halloween III as a stand alone. But years later we would find out it was a complete change of story for a future anthology. But as much as I like Halloween III, there is no denying that they must've known that not having Myers was going to completely piss everyone off. Especially when how good Halloween II was.
I am not so sure about that. Those who saw the ending of Halloween II likely believed that Michael Myers burned to death in the fire, so not seeing him for the third installment would not have been unexpected.
@@hellohi821 I agree and back then, there had only been 2 movies with him in and the horror sequel trend hadn't really got off the ground fully. I also am not sure that Halloween II was so good, I always felt it was just fine rather than good. I think the idea of moving on from him and doing something different for the third movie was admirable even if the audience response was mixed at the time. Season of the Witch will continue to grow in stature, whereas I'm doubtful a Michael Myers Halloween III would have offered much more other than having to backpedal and find a way to bring him back to life.
Halloween II isn’t very good
I've always loved this movie. I saw it when I was like 5 maybe. I was too young to know anything about anything. I just saw it as a movie. It's been one of my favorites ever since. I used to sing the Silver Shamrock jingle with different words all the time. Drove my mom mad. Great video!
There's a lot of hoo-hah around Halloween 3 and it's place in the franchise, but if you come to the movie knowing nothing, like you would have done as a kid, then it's a brilliantly fun movie. I envy your childhood!
Finding this film on late night TV, without even knowing it was Halloween , was another vibe entirely
So agree. Strange one..
Not a great movie in the conventional sense - acting, script etc, but I love the ATMOSPHERE and that can carry a film a long, long way.
Honestly, I think that calling it the number 3, instead of calling it Halloween: Season of the Witch would help a lot. The number makes it much more confusing because a number would imply that it is a follow up. And if it didn’t work Return of Michael Myers would be called Halloween 3.
HLW 3 is still an amazingly awesome, sinister movie which I think in it's own way is equal to the 1st two Myers films (which is saying something). The slow burn thrill of this is really effective as these 2 characters (Nelkin & Atkins) explore the Silver Shamrock town & uncover the secrets. Also the parallel between this & the Body Snatchers movies somehow works. I still find the ending with Atkins yelling down the phone "they're coming; they're coming!" unsettling.
Needs a modern reboot with a real good director/producer -James Wan perhaps? How about Stephen Lang ( "Don't Breathe 1+2 )in the Conal Cochran role..The sheer scope for a piece like this in atmospherics & chills would be plentiful. The idea of using droids in a horror film with Oct 31 as the payoff for an insane cultish ideology would be so spectacular if placed in the right hands; M Night Shayamalan? Jordan Peele? Could be well worth it. New Line, Universal etc: we're looking at you. All you need is about 70M $..
At any event, it would always be filmed in the Spring. These horror films always are. Enough time for er.. "Final Processing "☠
One of my go tos at least 2-3 times a year, especially at Halloween. Just watched it two days ago again. Saw it in the theater at it's original release. Yes, was bummed it wasn't in step with Michael's story, but still liked it. Stacy Nelkin was nice to look at as well.
Outstanding video……. The hate Halloween 3 gets only appeared during the birth of the internet (During the mid 1980’s Halloween 3 aired uncut during October on network tv usually late at night! i never heard any hate for it until around 2000/2001 online (the toxic internet created this narrative that Halloween 3 Season of the Witch was bad!) I will defend Season of the Witch on my death bed! as great as the internet can be it can also be very bad re-writing history of the 70’s-90’s when it comes to movies, tv, and music & pop culture in general….. 👍👍👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍
Season of the witch failed because it was a horrible movie . It came out in the day of VHS , if it where good it would’ve picked up then . A lot of movies did bad in the box office , then took off on VHS , and cable . A lot even become “classics” . But these are good movies , season of the witch is not a good movie.
Saw this way back when I was a kid and still have that jingle in my head 🎃
Personally I don't find any actor in the movie interesting or likable or memorable. I've watched it several times but can't remember the plot.
They should have marketed it just as "Season of the Witch" not Halloween 3. When I first saw it, my expectations were it would be about Micheal Meyers. So my friends and I disliked the movie at first. But watching it years later without the expectations really enjoyed it and have become fond of the movie.
Yeah, without H3 in the title it could have stood on its own, but I get why the studio wanted more name recognition. They didn't know it would backfire so badly, but they reaped the rewards with future Michael Myers sequels.
Exactly. Continuing the number but not the story is why it failed. Not rocket science. A grade school child would know better--why didn't a 'genius' director and filmmaker know? lol Hello, Mr. Carpenter! Just DROP Halloween from title and call it Season of the Witch. Then release it on Halloween lol.
@@JasonHauser125 Thing is they don't deserve the name recognition of the Halloween franchise unless it's within the movie itself. It's akin to false advertising, in fans' eyes.
Overlooked classic, 1000%! If you can accept the fact that it's a different story without Michael Myers, it's a fun 80's horror film. They were ahead of their time trying to do an anthology series under the name Halloween. It's great idea, they just happened to create a such a classic movie with the original Halloween that the anthology bit was a tough sell. Either way, I think it deserves more love.
Like Dean Cundey said, it should have been called Season of the Witch and it would have been more successful. Remove ties to the Halloween franchise. Time has been very kind to this movie though and it's now more appreciated than its ever been so that's great!
The first time i watched it i hated it but that's because i didn't understand it at first but there was just something about it that kept me coming back to it so i would watch it again and again and now i love it. The soundtrack is amazing and the cinematography of Dean Cundey is some of the best he has ever done. Is the story strange? oh yes and that's part of it's charm. I love the atmosphere and the explanation Cochran gives for why he's doing all of it is monstrous in it's greatness. There are many who will never get it who will brush it off as bad and boring but those are the same people who will try to defend Halloween 5. Also Tom Atkins is the man!
I wonder how much different this movie would have been received if it was the originating story. Branching out into a Michael story. The stories might have had endless possibilities. Imagine "Creepshow", but with a well earned "R" rating
It's an interesting thought, but John Carpenter would never have signed off on a Michael Myers origin story of any kind, as it would completely miss the point of his first film.
Saw this in theater with my buds and we were pissed. A Batman movie without Batman? Halloween w/o Mike Myers. Would be fine as a stand alone film, but not Halloween3.
You said it. Great soundtrack, beautifully shot. That's about it.
I have always enjoyed & appreciated Halloween 🎃 III . Gutsy, different approach & a Halloween anthology movie series would have been sensational! One of the many great things about horror...it allows filmmakers the avenues to expand & create new sub genres, outside the box thinking 🤔
I was 16 when I seen it and it absolutely scared the hell out of me I struggled to sleep properly and my light was left on just incase 🎃
Love Halloween 3. It's the only one I like in the series. I think even the first one is overrated somewhat. However, I don't think I would have seen it had it not been called Halloween 3. I remember watching the VHS around 1990 and only getting it because it was part of the franchise, but I never disliked it. And now, I love it and tend to go back to it around every Toussaint.
As a fan of Halloween I like the movie but I do believe it's following is because of it's title which allowed it not be forgotten
Man I been watching Halloween since I was a little kid sitting n my grandfathers lap, this aint and will never be a good Halloween movie. No Micheal No HALLOWEEN PERIODT#GTFOHWITHTHISGOOFYMOVIE
I love Halloween 3 and the film is much more appreciated now than it was back then. The cast did a wonderful job which each of their performance is as authentic as it can be and 100x's better than Rob Zombies Halloween films and couple of original Halloween sequels.
I was 13 when this movie came out in theaters in 1982. Hardcore horror buffs like myself had read about it horror magazines, but the average casual audience moviegoers expected a spiritual sequel to Halloween II. In short, most Halloween fans and casual moviegoers ended up being disappointed and even fooled. I don’t think it’s a great movie, but I really enjoy it and learned to appreciate it for what it is, it certainly subverted expectations back in the day.
Yeah, it seems weird that he expects that everyone would know that it was an anthology
Great review, analysis of the many elements that contributed to the failure of Halloween III in that it was not so well received by the audience at the time it was created, released publicly. I personally regard it as an intellectual masterpiece. I watch it since that very first beginning it was shown and I am now even more surprised as I watch it how frightening this movie is. It deals so perfectly with the themes that right now should be even more explored. The question of our relation to the modern technology vs. ancient technology, the real, "ethical" goals of advertising, as we can observe this with the creation of UA-cam, Facebook, what kind of person does these inventions contribute to the society, to the change of ourselves as so-ceeators of this artificial world, the change of our global economic system. This movie is very rich, because it raises these fundamental questions that academics, politicians, marketing specialists, the powers that be, try to overlook deliberately, but Halloween III tries to raise these issues very seriously and we need to discuss them seriously, because right now we are living in a world that Halloween III creators were warning us that once it will become a reality and now we experience it and we are heading in even more sinister reality as they "predicted" with their creative, original piece of artistic work that Halloween III is, a very worthwhile movie.
What would have made this movie work better is to have the masked children become the killers instead of the snake bug transformation. They could have eluded to experimentation with the "magic" and masks, possibly suggesting connection to Michael's origin.
I argue BOTH viewpoints that this narrator claims are somehow opposing or separate views. Plus, the main, true, actual point....it sucked!!!!!....lol
The more accurate argument is one that the narrator glosses over. It was a bait and switch. I remember when this movie was getting ready to come out. Of course, audiences expected that it would have once again revolved around Michael Myers. After all, the first two did.
So, when it was getting ready to come out, fans like my friends and me were speculating about the "witches" connection to Michael Myers. Was the reason that he was so seemingly supernatural himself as a result of some kind of dark curse? A very logical assumption based on the world-building seen in Halloween 1 & 2.
To frame it any other way is to completely miss the entire point of the hate.
If you promise me what looks like a chocolate cake, but the presented product is made of icing of human feces smeared all over a black sponge, I am gonna be a little angry.
This movie is playing on October 9, 2021 at the Skyline Drive In Theater in Shelbyville, Indiana.
It is a part of an event called Drive In Massacre.
October 8th and October 9th, 2021
2 nights of movies with 2 nights of camping inside the drive in.
Friday:
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
An American Werewolf in London
They Live
Death Spa
Spider Baby
Dr. Butcher M.D.
Saturday:
Blood Diner
Creepshow
Halloween 3
The Funhouse
Burial Ground
John Dugan (He played grandpa in the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Jackie Kong (The director of Blood Diner) will be there signing autographs.
That sounds amazing.
I understand both sides of the debate and I find it ironic that we PROBABLY wouldn't be talking about this movie as much if it wasn't connected (however loosely) with the Michael Myers Halloween franchise. It is not without its flaws, with some dull moments and plotholes you could drive a Mack truck through, but it is pure John Carpenter genius with an incredible sense of atmosphere, a phenomenally eerie soundtrack, and a near perfect ending!
I think it's that great atmosphere that keeps people coming back. Think we can all agree that Halloween 3 is a huge paradox, but an extremely entertaining one!
I think what makes Micheal myers so creepy is that he could be behind you, under you, the shadow out of the corner of your eye when You think you saw something . The embodiment of everything you hope to God not be possible as you go about your life without a care in the moment of anything else besides the little problems you deal with everyday
Great video, and awesome debate. HIII has always been one of my more memorable horror flicks growing up. I suspect if there had been a more established home video market in 1983, HIII would have been more succesful through home video. I feel it would have struggled at the box office, regardless of the actual title used
Where Do YOU Stand on the Great Halloween III Debate? Is it a Firm Favourite, or are you Sick of People going on about it all the time?
Really sick of the hate toward this movie. It’s a classic! Peace.
I think it's great everyone loves Halloween 3 these days. I wonder, though, if its bad rep means new viewers are coming to it, expecting to be disappointed, then being surprised that it's great. Maybe that Underdog vibe means that it's getting more love than it might, if it was hailed as an outright classic...🤔
I love it.
Halloween III is the most creative and the best overall Halloween. I am so psyched that they finally released it on 4k UHD. It looks amazing compared to streaming rentals!
I liked the movie, I think they could’ve teased a link to Michael Myers. Something like the mask Myers wore was a silver shamrock made mask. Maybe during the shamrock facility tour when they show the hall of fame room a Myers mask in the background. The Irish CEO doesn’t die at the end he’s transferred & now the Michael Myers shape w stone hedge powers. Just some tease like that, but I still enjoyed the movie as is. Great review!
How could it be overhyped? It is starting to deservedly get recognized as the really good film it is.
Excellent, intelligent analysis delivered in a very listenable style 👍
Extremely unpopular opinion, but I think 3 is the best in the entire franchise
There's definitely an argument for it. It's the only really unique film in the franchise: at the end of the day, all the others are just slasher films. We've seen so many sequels and imitations of Halloween that it doesn't feel as special as H3, just because there's no other film quite like it, in the franchise or otherwise.
I will always prefer Halloween, because I think it's a perfect film, but Halloween 3 is a blast.
@@MorbidMoonlight I highly agree with every thing you say here! I really hope you see more views and subscribers soon, the amount of effort you put in is insane!
It's my second favorite and by a lot. Halloween the original it's a master piece by Carpenter who i can clearly call my favorite director. The 3rd one it's great, and you still can feel Carpenter's influence as a producer (not taking anything away from Tommy Lee Wallace) in it. The score, the themes, the protagonists all it's very Carpenteresque even if sometimes some sources claim he had a very light touch as a producer. I think it also comes from the fact that he and Tommy were good friends, and probably were on the same page in a lot of things.
I found Halloween 3 to be boring and nonsensical
And that goddamn jingle just about drove me insane
I had to turn it off after hearing that f*cking jingle about 6 goddamn times
Honestly I have always liked this movie it was like the 2nd or 3rd Halloween movie I had ever seen growing up and was confused that there was no Michael but still enjoyed it. Its not a bad movie and Honestly wonder how this franchise would have gone of they kept on with the anthology series
I'm sure many people feel this way but this movie stands on it's own and shouldn't have been connected to the other films
It had/has some of the most memorable shots!! Even when everyone was bitching about it not starting MM ( boy, did they bitch) I knew it was special and tried to defend it.....❤
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@@MorbidMoonlight just found your channel and love it!! ❤ It's nice to see passion and love ❤
Thanks a lot. I'll try and do better for the next one.
Loved this movie since I first saw it on TV in the 90s. Me and Friends are always quoting it and it has such a weird lead. Tom sits in a bar, drinks and smokes and is watching cartoons. The bum who tells him that bottle looks a bit heavy. A fifty year Old man easily sleeping with a gorgeous young woman. Everything in this movie is perfect!
The title of the movie pretty much told me that Michael was not in the movie. Just saw him die in the previous movie. Entertaining movie.
Halloween 3 is amazing and I cannot understand why people dont like this film, it has freaking killer robots and cyber witchcraft with halloween masks turning kids heads into bugs its so bonkers but so freaking cool its awesome and also has a killer soundtrack i love it
Halloween III is a goofy movie plot-wise but it brilliantly creates a sense of dread and paranoia while delivering on some deliciously surreal set pieces. For me, one Michael Meyers Halloween movie was enough with every direct sequel. Everything after the original Halloween was a Friday the 13th-esque excuse for creating body counts. They did try to advance the Meyers' story but to me it detracted from the purity of the original and made the series convoluted.
This was without a doubt a most cringe and creepy movie. I remember seeing the commercials for H3 back in the day as a kid and remembered asking myself if Meyers was going to be in it. It was very obvious to me as a kid that Myers wasn’t going to be in it. I don’t know why people thought it was going to be another Myers story.
Btw. So was the woman a robot all along or was she turned into one?
I have this discussion with a friend a lot. He hates this film and I love it. Watch it every year. Myers died in part 2 , fans had to get over it. If you bring him back then you go right into that Thorn saga bullshit.
As a scathing attack on consumer culture it is brilliant.
Haloween III is mint - it is brilliant - Alan Howarth's soundtrack is a masterpiece. Tom Atkins is so cool in this. Dan O' Herlihy is genuinely chilling in this. Stacey Nelkin justified the 'Rewind' button on VHS machines. Nigel (Quatermass) Kneale may have disowned it but his contribution gives it its true eldritch, pagan, unadorned horror - a film that ends on the death of untold children. Very few films outside of those countenancing the Holocaust would have the balls, or the verve, Halloween II does it with elan and shows nothing, leaving it to the chambers of your imagination = horror.
Halloween 3 & 4 have my favourite openings. The dread they create is incredible.
Say what you want about the film, but I've always had a real soft spot for Halloween 5's opening too.
@@MorbidMoonlight I can agree with that.
Okay so here's my take on this movie, I actually think it's a good movie, not great but a good movie for it's time and era. The problem is it should have never been made a part of the Halloween franchise because some say it ruined the franchise and also got horrible reviews mainly because of it's high expectations. They could have made this movie without calling it Halloween III and just literally called it Season of the Witch and not associated it with the Halloween franchise and it prolly would have done a little better at very least.
When I was younger I despised this movie with a passion. But the older I got and rewatched it, I grew to understand it and love it. My friends still hate it because no michael myers.
Once this Happy Happy Halloween song gets stuck in your head you’re screwedLOL
This movie would not have been more successful without the Halloween name-as you said, it wasn’t the kind of horror movie people were wanting at the time(or any time?).
Even with that being said, I still believe it would have found it’s audience today the way it has, but to a lesser degree. The reason for that is because of the fan base. Oddball, under-the-radar, forgotten horror flicks of the 80s are a cult horror fans’s dream. We live to find this stuff! It wouldn’t be as well known as it is, but it would definitely have found a cult audience.
I don’t know about that. Invasion of the Body Snatchers was really popular
I love all the Holloween movies but I am looking forward to seeing Michael Jamie Lindsay Tommy ect ect in Holloween Kills
Halloween 3 was a really good movie and they should of stuck with the anthology idea. Imagine every Halloween movie being a different story, that would of been awesome. Michael Myers should of ended in Halloween 2. In my opinion the original Halloween 1, 2 and 3 where the best for me.
It's hard to say, isn't it? I guess it all depends on who was involved with each anthology movie. The only real template for the 'thematic' franchise is the Silent Night, Deadly Night movies, and they definitely petered out pretty quickly. 100% sure that if they had gone anthology, then the franchise wouldn't have survived to the end of the 80s, much less to present day.
So no more Michael Myers and Jamie Lee Curtis? Are you kidding me???
Black Mamba .....Yes...... Micheal Myers was scary in the first and second movie. Now he is not.. they made this villain like some superhero. Also John Carpenter the creator of the movie, stated that simplicity make a really good horror movie. If you over do it, it's not scary anymore.
A funny thing about the box office performance of this movie, its not bad in comparison to the other Halloween movies. Just look at the other movies. Halloween 2 only made 25 mil, and Hal 4 made around the same as HALLOWEEN III. The next performing Halloween movie would be H20 at 75 mil.
Great movie but it shouldn't have been called Halloween 3...by doing so, it implies that its the 3rd of the Michael Myers movies......Halloween: Season of the Witch might have worked better.....I loved it when all the snakes and bugs came outta that kid's head towards the end...great scene
Having seen Halloween 3 in the theatre without ever seeing 1 or 2 I thought it was a good movie. I still will watch Season of the Witch before I would watch Rob Zombies 1 and 2. For me Halloween was more terrifying without all the Zombie infused gore and violence. It was what you didn't see and Michael Myers slowly coming into focus just as he was about to step into the scene! 🔪🎃🔪🎃🔪🎃
Rob zombies movie is way better way way better
As The Curse of Michael Myers has proven, Halloween II is the CENTRAL movie of the franchise; the subsequent and following movies were just mere spinoffs...
Fuckin love this movie
I was so confused when this movie came out. I didn't see any commercials and, at the time, if you didn't watch tv, you didn't know anything about a movie. I kept waiting and waiting and waiting for Michael to show up. Since I spent the whole time thinking, "Oh! Michael's about to pop out", I didn't enjoy the movie. I watched it again a few years later and it wasn't as bad. I didn't know his intent on trying to make it an anthology series until about 10 years ago. I always just thought he tried something new and it was a waste. Now, I understand it. I don't hate it, but I'll always see it as a really bad idea. Obviously.
So, for me, it's not a classic. It was a disaster due to marketing.
The basic problem with H3, and why it remains controversial, is that it's not good enough to have been made without the title connection to the early films, and that it not only doesn't feature any connection to the earlier Michael Myers storyline but is also openly disrespectful towards them.
Openly Disrespectful? Is that because of that scene when Dr Challis watches it on TV, then says change the channel? Because that's hardly disrespectful its just a little joke.
@@MorbidMoonlight Why do you think cynical movies are popular? As in, what are the reasons why it's popular? It would be extremely interesting seeing a video investigating the science and personal meaning behind it. As well as a good look into the different ways humanity can feel towards things. Proving everyone to be unique and individually thinking beings. Or something. Fart hahahahaha!
@@MorbidMoonlight I dislike the halloween franchise as a whole and I agree with you. Directors do that all the time. It's akin to having the necronomicon in jason goes to hell or the freddy glove in evil dead. Not the same but the same in intent. If that makes sense.
@Formakiwi No, the direct sequels are way more disrespectful to the original
I've been a fan of SotW for a long time, but I had no idea about how bungled the marketing for it was. You make a great point and argument there, they spent too much time differentiating and not enough time selling the idea to audiences. Great video.
You mentioned Friday the 13th, I'm curious if you have similar thoughts on Part V? While SotW might not have lived without the Halloween name, I still think an anthology around the holiday would work well, and likewise with Friday.
Thanks very much. I know Friday 5 gets brought up a lot as a kind of oddball franchise movie, but for me, it's still just 98% a standard Friday movie, except it's got a twist. It's not a totally different approach like H3, and the Friday 5 twist definitely didn't slow down the momentum of the franchise whatsoever, as they kept pumping new movies out.
A more accurate comparison with H3 for me is Friday the 13th, the TV show, which was totally unrelated to the Jason Voorhees movies, and confused a lot of people, by just being its own thing. Weirdly though, it was reasonably popular, despite the confusion over the name, but I suppose, as the F13 movies were still running at the time, fans didn't see it as a replacement for their beloved franchise, but just an offshoot.
@@MorbidMoonlight Interesting, but I see your point. Part V definitely hits the same beats as a Friday movie, not suddenly introducing an alien harvesting organs or some weird shit.
I do find it interesting that even though it was safer, and both were intended to start anthologies, as a whole they are both looked on as black sheep in their series. So much so that each sequel had to advertise the "return" of both flagship killers to bring people back in the seats.
Movies are weird, man.
I think it's the 'Freddy Factor', where Freddy had become a Rockstar, by the mid 80s and suddenly horror franchises became about seeing their central icons strutting their stuff, as opposed to doing new things, or taking risks.
I think the saminess of a lot of 80s franchises, even to people that love them, is one of the things that's led to H3's reappraisal, just because it's so bold and original, and not just repetition of a formula.
@@MorbidMoonlight agreed the friday the 13th series was really good
One of the rare 80s horror properties I think you can genuinely describe as being 'Underrated'.
Nightmare 2 and Halloween 3 should have been erased from the Franchise. Halloween 4 and 2, Nightmare 1,3,4 I'd watch over and over growing up.
Tom Atkins in Night of the Creeps I loved.. I called him Captain B rate.. such bad cheesy acting.. "girls, i got good news and bad news.. good news is your prom dates are here.. bad news is.. they're dead" :)
I just watched this the other day. The biggest problems I had with it was of course that the anthology idea was crap but also the age differences between the two protagonists was enormous. I found myself making jokes about sexy wrinkly old man parts with my wife while we watched it. They should have made that a mentorship relationship instead of romantic. Had they just made Shamrocks Halloween supplies the source of Myers insanity and rampage and now people were facing the potential of an army of Meyers-like killers it would have been way better. Say it starts out with the police disposing of Meyers murder evidence and discovering the weird circuitry in his young childhood mask.
The idea the studio had was to let the ending of Halloween II be the end of the Michael Myers story, and branch off into a series of Halloween movies, working like an annual long-term anthology series. Each movie would be a Halloween scary movie, but unconnected to the others. I think a lot of the early cold reception was people WERE expecting the franchise to continue with the story they had set up in the first two films.
Horror anthologies can work. That has been proven. Creepshow {not you, Creepshow 3}, Trilogy of Terror, Tales From the Darkside the Movie {Which is more Creepshow 3 than Creepshow 3}, and many others. What the studio should have done, instead of trying to both get away from the first two movies, and also tread on their popularity, was just call this movie "Halloween: Season of the Witch". This is a good Halloween movie and stands alone well. But, fans of the first two movies went in NOT expecting it to be a standalone, since it was called "Halloween 3".
I always watch Halloween 1, 2, and 3 on Halloween night (with plenty of snacks) brilliant films.😃😃
Excellent choices. 👍
@@MorbidMoonlight Thanks😃
It's a strange, bitter movie with a cold-blooded concept it rides to the end. It stands out from the crowd that way. But it's like the franchise maker set out to punish his fanbase for enjoying gory thrillers by making one as joyless and nihilistic as possible. No wonder it's being embraced so ardently today.
love this movie, great story, make-up, music
Arguably the best Halloween movie imho.
It's on a par with the original 8n my eyes, and I possibly have it as my favourite of the entire franchise..