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Good Stylization > Realism
This is why Wind Waker looks so good even today
Exactly, twilight princess is realism compared to WW and TP looks like crap today comparatively
Eh, I love both. I think WW and TP look equally great just different. Both are valid
@@hiimjoshua9438 real
good stylization...
@@hiimjoshua9438 this
All I want is for weapon durability to go away and for you to be able to once again get hearts from grass and jars.
Also, I want my empty glass bottles back.
Hearts are confirmed there’s an item in one of the trailers that when zelda wears it it raises the chance of getting heart drops
It's weird that they put in weapon durability and let you just hold stacks of food that you could consume at any point in time. Oddly, I feel like the older games were more challenging *because* you had resource management to worry about. There were only so many bottles, and sometimes you needed a free one to complete certain puzzles. Do you fill them with health potions, or stamina potions, or possibly fairies? BOTW did away with that for whatever reason.
Honestly, the durability feels like a cheap way to make the game SEEM more difficult. Now, you're worried your sword or bow will break in the middle of battle. Worse is that there's no option for unarmed combat, which would be helpful with puzzles that require you to hit switches. Really, they needed to add a blacksmith so players can repair and even upgrade their gear.
@@Xanegoh I mean, if they were worried about players just sticking with one weapon and not using a variety they could've had the weapons not break but have you get increasingly better ones as the game goes on with having a variety of stats that are both better and worse than what you already had so you could decide which stats you wanted to prioritize.
To be fair... The ONE GAME where we get to play as Zelda is _not_ a game I would expect to follow the traditional Zelda formula. Thinking outside the box is _kinda_ the whole point of Zelda's "triforce of wisdom" theme.
It's not a game that I would've expected to follow the BotW formula either, but look where we are.
I mean, if this were a 3DS game in 2015 I would probably agree with this but we haven't had that kinda game since then
Exactly what I was gonna say
Yeah, I still believe 2D LINK game will be linear. I think this will be a downscaled ToTK sequel(like phantom hourglass is to wind waker). Since there are waypoint, that means no shrine and hence maybe use the dungeon format of link between world.
Exactly, I expect it not to follow a formula, so why is it following the new zelda formula? Boring side quests , weird unnecessary gimmick (echoes) , open world, and an ability to move objects
Why couldn’t we have something that actually breaks the formula?
Who’s still excited for echos of wisdom regardless
Me!
Me
Me
Me! I have been wanting another 2d Zelda game since we got A Link Between Worlds.
i am.
I think the core of the issue is that we love traditional zelda a lot more than the devs do. The devs have stated that they've wanted zelda to be open world from the beginning but never could due to limitations of the consoles they were on. (wind waker is linear (ish)) so honestly we should've seen this coming a while ago, especially after the insane success of Botw and Totk.
If they really wanted Zelda to be open world since the beginning it's quite strange that they made the games progressively more linear. Twilight Princess is more linear than Ocarina of Time and Skyward Sword is more linear than Twilight Princess. Also, Wind Waker has bits of linearity in it that has nothing to do with limitations. There's no reason they couldn't have let you do the Wind Temple before the Earth Temple. Also, before completing forbidden woods the king of red lions will not let you sail too far off your objective. This was likely to prevent sequence breaking. I think Zelda was always intended to be a linear-ish series, and the developers only changed their minds after the backlash of Skyward Sword.
They over corrected though. You basically have a generation game that has established its self as a puzzle dungeon core game and then strip all the dungeons from it. I say have an open zone world and have key story points in a central point of intrest or at chokepoints between zones. As you progress, you unlock more abilities and get new persistent gear. I don't care if you can do the dungeons in a loose order but no shrine spam.
Not all games need to look realistic to be good, especially with the lore Zelda has. Look at Kirby. The artstyle is adorable, but the lore is actually pretty dark. A games art direction doesn't defy what it is, it depends on the story, gameplay, and level design that defies if it's good or not. I honestly don't understand why people are complaining about something as simple as that, it's pointless.
Kirby also has better and more connected lore than recent Zelda games. At least those devs can actually answer questions about the lore and don't just laugh and say "I wonder". If the devs don't know, then it's not lore, it's not a mystery, it's just set dressing
@@Chronoflation it's actually pretty interesting how something that looks like it's targeted towards 5 year olds with its artstyle has lore that belongs in a PG-13 movie sometimes
@@Chronoflation Meh, there's only one or two games in the "timeline" that makes no sense lore-and-timeline-placement-wise (looking at you, Four Sword Adventure). And while it's "head cannon", I personally subscribe to the idea that BotW & TotK belong to the timeline where Link died to Demise waaay back in Skyward Sword. Makes more sense than a "reunification" concept.
@@Chronoflation yeah the devs should just remove all mystery from the Zelda lore
True but there was hope that the first Zelda Game where Zelda herself is the Playable Character was hyper realistic.
Definitely team "needs more traditional Zelda"
bro this guy makes the best content when he's not day dreaming about the next console. Please make more videos like there.
I agree so strongly, it's unfortunate that not more of his content is more like this, made me unsub.
@@alphabae7512I mean he just made a Mario Maker new bosses video
And yes I know I know "But most of his videos are Switch 2 VIDEOS" I don't wanna argue I don't want to argue so I'ma drop it. But in my opinion he makes more than Switch 2 videos and I'm fine with them anyways
Reel, that why I unsubed, to much copium without any results
Its "controversey" content for people with Brainrot. That or drama. But most people/gamers are not upset with Zelda thats false.
Yes, people on Twitter is upset but thats with everything
I feel like this is closer to the classic Zelda than Botw or Totk while still incorporating some of the good exploration elements from those games. Just the fact that we have seen overworld heart pieces shows that this is more like a normal Zelda game.
Pretty low bar for what counts as "more traditional". I mean, we can literally travel over everything so there's basically gonna be no required combat after getting a handful of those copy things, and the puzzles will have a thousand different solutions, so no need to ever challenge how the player thinks. I'll wait for reviews, but genuinely zero expectations
I would say it's more like...
It LOOKS the classic games but it PLAYS like the newer ones ! :0
@@Chronoflationi'm scared the combat feels too slow and weird paced :/
The idea is fun at first, but like it was mentioned it the video, with time you're probably going to find an OP way to kill ennemies or to avoid combat...
I'm curious how this unfolds
@@Chronoflation These are all assumption's, we have no idea if certain things are going to be restricted to later parts of the game.
until i see dungeons, and item progression based on those dungeons, its not following the traditional loz gameplay loop themes.
none of the previews so far have really shown that part of the gameplay, their focus has been on giving zelda big abilities early on, giving her potential access to completing "every" puzzle from the get go, making a serious lack in gameplay progression, a problem both botw and totk had in spades.
i want to be excited for this game, but if its going to be suuuper open air in a 2d format, i think it will have a similar fall off as totk had.
Unrelated, but one time when I was little, I saw my brother playing a Zelda game on his 3ds and the first thing I thought was: "Is that the guy from Smash Bros?"
I used to think twilight princess Link was a girl
I used to think zelda was link because of the titles.
"is that ryu from fortnite?"
@@artagle_14what? He's like the most masculine looking version of link lmao
@@artagle_14hell your profile pic is zero who I would think most people would confuse him for a girl
I miss older Zelda puzzle design of one solution that you had to figure out. If I can just solve everything with the same one or two tools then it's no fun. But the thing that will decide if I get the game or not is the dungeons. I skipped TotK because of how I heard they didn't fix the dungeons.
yeah lol because they cater to the babies that are picking up a zelda for the first time. that's why in tears of the kingdom specifically no one remembers you, because they think new players are THAT stupid that they won't know and be confused, and god forbid they're confused when they pick up the third title of a TRILOGY.
@@murmirr I miss the days yoshiaki koizumi did the story. outside of skyward sword(botw had good environemental storytelling) story has been subpar in the series since koizumi joined the mario team. I wish he was the director of zelda and aonuma became the mario director.
@@fws91 agree, but in my opinion skyward sword actually has an amazing story. one of the best in the franchise. people just either miss it or don't care because of predispositions that it's bad. i would play skyward sword ten times over in place of even touching tears of the kingdom or breath of the wild again. oh also fun fact that imo proves nintendo's laziness, because they just didn't want to develop a side story (despite doing it for pikmin 3 hd). Skyward sword was meant to have a side story where you play as zelda, and it explains the story of what she went through and her trials in the past. the fact they didn't do this in SS or TotK is literally criminal. but i guess they needed to save playing as zelda for this mediocre ugly garbage.
@@fws91LMAO, Koizumi only made the story of 2 games, Link's awakening and Majora's Mask. Aonuma worked with all 3D games being the director of TP, WW and if I'm not mistaken MM as well. And while MM has a really good story if you consider it as something separate, it is a terrible sequel, in addition to not answering the questions left at the end of OOT, the game manages to leave you confused and with even more questions, which by the way, never got answers lol. Thank god Wind Waker came soon after to be the true sequel to OOT, the game that concluded the story of OOT, and it wasn't a filler like MM was, you can thank Aonuma for that as well.
@@schutze1399 koizumi wrote the backstory for the manuals in lttp, snuck lore into oot behind miyamoto’s back. You can read interviews on that. Aonuma and koizumi did the story for mm, koizumi did all the npcs for clock town and Romani ranch along with the moon falling.
Mitsuhiro Takano is the guy who did wind waker‘s story. Sadly they took him off Zelda after tp and in tp he was the cutscene director. Thats why those were good in that game
5:14 I disagree with this. Probably my favorite thing about Zelda games is the metroidvania aspect and how the world gradually opens up as you get more items and abilities. The freedom and go anywhere design of the most recent games completely killed this aspect.
Full heartedly agree!
Yes!
It's one of the reasons why Minish Cap is my favorite Zelda game, that one in particular has a metroidvania-esque overworld :)
A big reason why I love classic 3D Zelda games! I was so excited to open up the world to it's fullest. In the new games I just get overwhelmed by how big they are and don't know where to start. Not every game needs to be open world, plus the worlds we got in the older games were already so great and feel like a much better size rather than having large fields everywhere for no reason
I disagree. OoT was "semi open world" since a lot of things can be done outside the "order". BotW and Totk have the soul of Zelda 1, Link of the past and OoT: strategy about where to go, and try doing things in different order to get other results! Every game play feels new.
@@sarenarterius6217 you clearly haven't played zelda 1. See little string beans channel to learn where you're wrong. Or just play the game. You guys say this but dont even understand what you're saying. Zelda 1 is more like oot than botw objectively
Okay, sure, the binding ability is definitely something inspired from Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, but this game brings back stuff from older titles too, mainly the characters/races. I was so happy to see them bring back the deku scrubs and river zoras. People hating on this artstyle has always confused me too. I mean, everyone has the right to their opinion and I can understand people missing pixel art, as I love pixel art too, but I think this artstyle is really cute. From what I have seen so far, this game is a mix of new and old zelda, and I'm still really excited for this game.
The bind ability was used in WW and TP as well and is very similar to the ability from TMC to spawn and control multiple links in different patterns
It's not just that but them reusing botw/totk UI assets in this game is really annoying. Like the quest markers and speech bubbles do not fit the style of this game at all which is going for more fantasy and cutesy rather than the ancient tech theme of the other games.
@@firesnakex8 That's a very inconsequential thing to be worried about. The UI in the Link's Awakening remake was quite similar and no one had an issue
It’s not even all that similar to ultrahand imo. With ultra hand you can pick up and move things, rotate them, and move things father or closer away from you,
With bind, you can pick things up, you cannot rotate them or move things closer to you, and you can move enemies, and then you have reverse bond which is completely different from ultrahand. Idk that’s just me, it’s obviously similar but it’s not a clone like people are saying, they’re different enough for me and that’s good enough
@@isaac_aren it’s more so representative of the mindset that devs have when approaching new Zelda games in that the influences of botw are here to stay which as someone who didn’t like that game is annoying as I want a fresh start
I don’t know how people can’t see the difference between something limp wristed like animal crossing fans crying that the game didn’t release one month earlier and the incredible division you can find within the Zelda series from how the different game styles have developed. “Zelda fans are crying“, yeah because the whole Fanbase was split in half between people who liked the old and people who like the new. There is an irreconcilable divide because Nintendo won’t just release both genres of games for some reason.
You’ll be laughing until it happens to something you like, and then you’ll get it.
Its actually pretty interesting how Assassin's Creed has been going through almost exactly the same situation. You got old-school AC fans who hate the new style because the series lost 90% of its identity with a genre switch (just like Zelda). And you have the people who like the new style because "old is bad/dated. This better, more freedom". So then the companies try to appease both with an amalgamation game (AC:Mirage & Echoes of Wisdom-ish). Will be interesting to see how it turns out in Zelda's case.
It's not for some reason, it's the way the series is developed now.
Pegasus boots gave you a power up, we were limited but that makes a game exciting, or we would just do whatever and nothing has real meaning to it
Yeah, its limitations make navigation and pathfinding interesting you have to think about the best line to take, if there's enough room to warrant the time it takes to charge up, sliding off of diagonal walls and avoiding bonking.
Yeah I'm sick and tired of botw style of zelda games. I do miss the old style because I love the dungeons and puzzles. Hopefully Nintendo will realise we are getting bored of it now and make something new or go old school but make it fresh
They dont because Botw and TotK are the best selling Zelda games by a lot. Both games sold more than 10M each. The remake of Link Awakening, a game with the old formula released in the same console sold only 5M. I think that the message to Nintendo was very clear.
@@cristiany140 Sure, but how MUCH did they cost to develop, did you think about that?
There’s only been two…
@@youareacoward8459Nintendo did and they are continuing so this answer
I just wanna be able to cut grass and get hearts and ruppes from it
I just want them to take what made classic zelda and modern zelda good and just mix them to find the sweatspot. For example I like the freedom we had in botw and totk, but if we take away just a little bit of that freedom away we could also have a good and more linear story. As long as we get something that is the culmination of the good and bad things of the previous games in the future, I'll be happy.
I swear... games are either too realistic or not realistic enough. Do gamers these days even know what they want anymore?
I wasn’t a big fan of link’s awakening’s remske graphics. The cutscenes just looked so much better it was jarring
But eow has done away with that plastic sheen making it look so much better in comparison
Gamers know what they want. Unless you live on Twitter (like Nintend0land and his prime demogralhic) its non issue. This is just more weekly drama
Nope, all they want is to find even the tiniest flaw in an absolutely perfect game, and say the game sucks or “is unplayable” because of it.
You can try to satisfy them, but the only way you can do that is…
You don’t. They’ll still fuss regardless.
They want graphics closer to TP or SS. At least when "they" refers to zelda fans.
To be fair the two comments you mentionned usually come from different individuals. Different gamers want different things, the only thing in common is the entitlement to tell devs what they can or can't do.
Eiji Aounuma essentially disparaged all their classic games and clearly expressed his preference of BotW’s open-world design, openly admitting that limited and restrictive gameplay is inferior to free exploration and unrestricted access. That’s a really concerning thing to say as a game developer.
How is it concerning? He's right. Linear games are more limited than open world games exploration-wise.
It does kind of feel like Nintendo is lacking in creativity, and seem to be insisting that this is okay.
they have been for a while now. i feel like metroid dread and that era of releases was probably the last good era, and now everything just feels lazy and rushed, with lackluster excuses. the biggest being "we wanted to make good game first, story later" when they have been doing both for years now. look at splatoon 3 and its DLC, tears of the kingdom, pikmin 4. all fun games, sure, but lacking in so much of the potential they hold all because of laziness or lack of ideas, or underestimating new players' intelligence while simultaneously making the game too easy for old fans. it's just sad.
@@murmirr it is because if you read their shareholder statements. They are afraid because of social media and streaming and kids going mobile, they have to make games attention getting as possible and as adhd friendly as possible and fun to watch streaming. story lore is boring in their eyes because they are afraid it won't keep gamers and streamers attention.
Not really
Nah.
Also, even if the game has more traditional style dungeons, it's still a huge concern that the game mechanics will break most of the puzzles just like in Tears of the Kingdom
Exactly. Without metroidvania progression, its not traditional
@@firenze6478that’s not what he said
What scares me most is that I can see Nintendo giving us all these abilities directly in the beginning of the game like they did in BotW and TotK so there will not only be way less reward for exploration and progress in the later game but also no reason to use many of these abilities since you have all of them and one is way superior to all the others so it's the oppositive of the metroidvania-like puzzlebox older Zelda titles were, where you needed to find new items to reach new places where you found new items again.
So glad people are finally picking up the fact that zelda has always been a metroidvania until botw. Even zelda 1 had these elements.
On the other hand there's nothing indicating that these are all abilities we'll get right away in the tutorial. I mean all we see is Zelda with her tri rod and she can use echoes but with a cost.
@@firenze6478 Still way too few people do it. Also Pokemon has been a Metroidvania once. I always expected this kind of gameplay to be the future when there are less technical reasons for limited games and worlds get more connected but then GTA took over and the open world approach replaced the Metroidvania approach in almost every genre.
I would be down for a BOTW style top down Zelda if it hadn't been over ten years since the last mainline 2D game and if there weren't this larger pattern of Nintendo not understanding what made old Zelda good. I'm still quite excited for it, but that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed as well.
Also, the pegasus boots were absolutely not horrible.
The issue with TotK and, to a lesser but still significant extend, BotW that people fear regarding EoW is that they are using the "rethinking conventions" and "promoting player creativity" mantras, which have become MASSIVE red flags for traditional Zelda fans. The former because it eventually revealed a level of disrespect towards their previous games, and the latter because it's nothing but an empty PR tagline that doesn't hold up under scrutiny, and is used as a get out of jail free card for them to become lazy and fill the game with nothing but puzzles and problems that can easily be cheesed with actions that barely require more brain power or dexterity than a tutorial puzzle, if not than straight pressing a "Skip puzzle" prompt.
The thing is, with the first trailer I was cautiously optimistic, since it looked like you had a limited capacity to summon Echoes, represented by those small triangles floating next to Tri. A little bit of actual resources management is a way for them to give puzzles a bit more of bite. But now with Binding... Like you said, what stop us now from taking any enemy out of the way from a safe distance, and not having to engage with them?
I'll save my judgement for when the game comes out, but my cautious optimism has become, not quite yet pessimism, but definitely skepticism.
This.
I just want my fantasy metroidvania to return
I've been playing Zelda since the original game. The series has always evolved and changed with each new game. I get why some want to go back to an old formula, but people have short memories. Zelda fans were complaining about the series growing stale before BotW came out. Now they want to complain that it's changed too much.
Screw that. I'm on team Evolve or Die. I don't want a new Zelda game to be exactly like previous ones. I want Nintendo to keep experimenting on how they can bring in something novel into a new Zelda game.
Evolution is a form of death, though.
There is one thing about us gamers, and it’s that we’re always mad at something, no matter how small and/or stupid it is
the problem is that cartoony artstyles is that it's always refered to as "baby games" by some people
I honestly gotta say; can we plis stop calling games with cartoony artstyles "baby games"?
just because it looks cute doesn't mean it's a "baby game"
espesially not when the rating hits E10+
if you want something more realistic play Twilight Princess or something (also I do highly recomend playing it if you haven't, best Zelda game ever...in my opinion)
at the end of the day, people might complain but the same people is still going to play it
Let's just hope the dungeons in this game aren't DIVINE BEASTS 3.0. Although admittedly, I did like TOTK's dungeons better than the Divine Beasts simply because they've got better variety in types of dungeons.
Fax
Agreed
TotK's dungeons were way worse, imo. BotW at least had interesting mechanics with its dungeons, TotK's dungeons are just empty spaces where you make up a solution. I think I built more interesting dungeons in Minecraft as a kid, lol.
Agreed. TOTK in general was a fun experience. Still love the 2d Zelda games though.
This is clearly gonna be a more traditional Zelda game than either BOTW and TOTK even if it borrows some elements, so I wouldn't worry about that.
Ah people still complain about 'muh graphics' guess some things never change.
Not people, just Twitter. .0001% of all fans. But Nintend0land has Brainrot and the target demographic for this channel has brainrot
For some reason I get randomly recommended some brainrot drama fron this outrage/drama channel every other day
Cant people just be happy
I’m tired of BoTW/ToTK style games and I want the open world style to die.
L take
It's not the bad
Why? Open world games are not that bad.
Ah yes the "childish" wind waker. The wind waker with ganon getting his skull impaled by a Sword at full force
i don’t get the pure hatred some fans have towards botw and totk. even tho there’s a NEW top down zelda coming out, people are still pissed just cuz you get to dress zelda up. do fans just want to be strictly told what to do and where to go for 20 hours cuz they’re not creative enough to freely explore and figure puzzles out in their own way? sounds pretty lame to me
Except the "freedom" and "creativity" completely breaks puzzles because there are so many solutions that almost everything is a solution.
Welcome to the Zelda cycle.
@@hist150project5 but that’s what makes it so fun to me at least is that you can solve them in any way you want. that’s just me tho
i swear everybody hates a new zelda game. Windwaker also got big backlash for its art style
Literally everyone I’m seeing is happy about this game. But maybe that’s because I’m not on Twitter anymore.
Trolls hate a new Zelda game - that's the truth.
@@_sparrowhawk So everyone that doesn't agree with your opinions is a troll?
@@CrowTRobot People on twitter hate happiness
@@hist150project5no, it’s just that twitter has no soul and regardless of what Zelda puts out there they will whine because that’s all their life amounts to.
I'm scared since we haven't had a good story in awhile, I love story and such in older Zelda games, I just wanna know if it's a good one or will it confuse us up again
I see why the classic Zelda fans are unhappy. The stories and dungeons were straight up better in the older games. Giving people as much freedom as they had in BotW and TotK made it much harder for the Zelda devs to make a great story. I spoiled Zelda turning into a dragon just by discovering the geoglyphs in the wrong order. That would never happen in an older Zelda game because the games were more linear. And the dungeons in BotW and TotK sucked. I love the older Zelda dungeons. They are so full of interesting puzzles and I love puzzles. But the dungeons in BotW and TotK only take 30 minutes on a first playthrough and have maybe one or two cool puzzles. But I also really like the freedom and calming ambience of BotW and TotK. The old formula and the new formula both have pros and cons, but to keep all of the fanbase alive, the team is going to have to see both sides at some point and start making both kinds of games. Otherwise, half of Zelda's fanbase will die.
Plus, the metroidvania elements that defined the series since 1 are just gone
@@firenze6478no
No? Explain@@user-hq4zd1eu6f
@user-hq4zd1eu6f
Yes? You can just go anywhere now.
plus it is sad because they need to respect the old school fans. Just go the classic sonic route. This game (we could be wrong But I doubt it) could have been a classic style game. make games like this and the 3d ones can botw style. Nintendo over course corrects, they thought classic sucked since skyward sword(ignoring why ALBW was amazing) and think botw style is the industry standard now.
Did uh... did everyone forget the rings, medals, and outfits on a whole bunch of other top down games? Triforce Heroes outfits? The medals form ALTTP?
The only criticism I have for TOTK is that the vehicles didn't work like the Master Cycle.
?!
The only criticism? Not the reused map, the empty depths, the extremely underwhelming sky islands, or koroks returning with very little changed from BotW, or dungeons being underwhelming AGAIN?
And the fact that the game starts off on the exact same tutorial island concept. And that the tutorial once again is visiting 4 shrines, acquiring your 4 abilities that you'll use for the rest of the game, get 4 spirit orbs from the shrines. And once again you jump down to the world which is the same map. And you're tasked with visiting the exact same 4 locations. And talking to the exact same characters in said locations. And collecting the exact same armor sets along the way. And the map is once again filled with copy paste content, with bubbulfrogs, hudson signs, and koroks, some of which are in the exact same locations as the last game and some take 10 times the amount of effort to solve for only twice the reward. Other than that, 10/10 perfect flawless masterpiece!
@@lalter_ do either of you like having fun or do you just yap on the internet about how terrible some of the greatest games in the last 8 years have been
Greatest games in the last 8 years? I didn't know we stopped talking about Zelda. I like having fun playing actually good, innovative games, unfortunately you lack critical thinking of any capacity and just consume the product without asking any questions like a sheep. Nintendo trained you real good.
I would love a cell shaded 3d Zelda that looks like the ocarina of time/Majora's mask artworks.
As an oldschool zelda fan, and a fan of Link's Awakening and it's remake, i was hyped to see these visuals come back...
and i felt as though this one was going to take place in a version of A link to the past's world, at least that is how it looked to me in the previous trailer...
but now that they've introduced the gerudo desert and (probably) Lurelin into it...
I get it Nintendo, you like open worlds now...
But Zelda to me isn't just an exploration game, but it seems that's all they want it to be.
@@cryn6519I’m very cautious about this game being ToTK part 2 so I’ll just wait this out and see the reviews before I buy it.
At least it doesn't have swords that break after every other fight.
Honestly, knowing that it's another BOTW styled open world game, I'm probably going to skip this one
@@noobstoise1024 botw style open world but with a story not done by memory's, with objects, with more than 4/5 small donjons and with a way more living map AND music like it was before.
But yeah "it's just like botw"
@@Zoltloz0_0 Why are you getting upset because I don't want another open world Zelda game?
@@noobstoise1024 upset?
And you didn't like how botw did the open world(not upset about that also) but echoes of wisdom is different so... Yeah just wanted to tell you it's different.
And btw we don't actually know if echoes is an open world even if I think it probably is
@@Zoltloz0_0 I apologize for misreading the tone then. I could of sworn that the last trailer Nintendo showed showed it being another open world Zelda title, if it's not than I admit I might be mistaken again.
I do get the impression the new ideas they brought to BotW were their only ideas, and they don't know how to iterate on them. It's not so much wanting things out of nostalgia so much as turning a repainted Hyrule into Garry's Mod isn't a design solution.
oh yeah i saw that trailer i thought it looked good! playing as a different character is extremely rare in zelda games, and i don't care if the artstyle is realistic or not, i just want to enjoy the game
whats crazy to me is how since the start of this series we have always played as link (wich was totally fine)
and the ONE time we get to play as zelda, people have the audacity to hate on this game just because of that.
You guys are real ones
@@FunzeeTime If anything I would’ve bought this game over totk because it’s something new and not copy and paste like how totk was.
@@artagle_14 well totk is a direct followup i wouldnt say its a copy and paste but the botw and totk are very very similiar
The bind ability is more like the rod thing from WW and TP the one that makes you control the whatever it's name is thing so that it replicate the movement of link.
But like a more advanced version of it
Dominion Rod and the song that I don't remember the name of
@@TeeVeeVee yeah exactly thanks
@@Zoltloz0_0 yeah no worries, also I just remembered it's the command melody idk how I forgot LMAO
I'm glad someone remembered it. A lot of people think BOTW/TOTK invented a lot of things when really it heavily altered mechanics that already existed.
I only wish Zelda had a sword. Literally everything else looks great and either way I’m excited to play!
Do you remember Links Awakening? We already played that game!
@@_sparrowhawk lol so every game that uses a sword is the same game?
I’d be fine with a bow as the main weapon which eventually upgrades into bow of light
It would be a missed opportunity if they didn't give Zelda an outfit based on her CDi design.
Trust me, it wouldn't.
I'm on team "TotK was a letdown and seeing the green magic gives me flashbacks, but this game looks so adorable and cool"
before BotW, people were crying about how linear zelda is and how it's always the same formula. now with BotW and TotK, people are upset that it's not like "classic" zelda, when literally the first game was open world and let you tackle dungeons in any order
@EvilCrash3000
Tackling dungeons in any order is fine
Building/crafting mechanics, survival mechanics like cooking, etc. are not
@@hist150project5 that's subjective
Zelda fans are always unhappy, the only ones that ever are happy are forced into being unhappy by the unhappy ones
Yah zelda fans have it good
I definitely agree, I've met some people who wish Zelda could stay the same way. However, as proven by the time of Skyward Sword in 2011, something needed to change. That change came with BotW, and though it introduced new mechanics, it also pulled from its at the time 30 years of history. EoW is just doing the same thing, but with 2D Zelda. But hey, can't please everyone. Just enjoy the game for what it is and move on.
I absolutely loved OoT, MM, WW, TP, SS, ALBW.
I suppose I'm not a fan then? Strange but ok...
we are not unhappy. we are exstatic!!! it looks amazing and i will be preordering on the 16th
@@Mangapan You loved a series that was straying from its exploration roots
Did people forget that the original Zelda game was a top down 2 D open world game?
@brothersbornmedia
The original Zelda wasn’t open world in the way that BotW and TotK are
People will never be happy. It will be impossible to please the entire fan base- plenty of people in love with BOTW and TOTK would be grumpy with a game that wasn’t open world at all. For plenty of people, exploration and everything that BOTW and TOTK gave is now what Zelda means to them. The Zelda fan base is so diverse that no matter what is released, people will be unhappy. All that Nintendo and their collaborators can do is make the game that they want to make that makes them happy.
I'm worried about the central spawn item mechanic making it a top down TotK. I'd like some nice dungeons with puzzles to solve, rather than be given the "freedom" to skip over half of them by spawning in the same item over and over.
It is a fantasy story. It is not supposed to look real. That being said I'd rather have Twilight or Wind over this game.
“I can’t wait for Echoes of Wisdom!”
“You do know it’s basically just 2D TOTK, right?”
“Jeez bro, I’m already buying the game, you don’t need to sell it to me!”
As a Zelda fan I do miss the old formula a little but I’m willing to see some new I think open world is the way to go for Zelda I mean the feeling of Zelda is supposed to be exploration and adventure I think Nintendo needs to have some form of progression for the next open world Zelda game though that’s something that I think needs to come back from the old games that and dungeons
I agree I really enjoyed but botw and totk but they were missing something that old games gave us especially due to the lack of traditional Dungons one of my favorite things in a Zelda game is finding that new item from a Dungon that allows me to explore areas i wasn't able to before also multiple types of weapons that don't ever break! smh... but I do think it's headed in a good direction I like the elements they took from BOTW and TOTK and used in this new game and i like how Zelda is an actual playable character but I personally would prefer more action however i will be picking it up day one and I know I'm gonna enjoy it just like most games in the series
I do share the worries about this because I don't want the open world formula to overwrite the classic one both of them offers something different but they also can exit at the same time, we already have traditional Zelda with more open exploration like windwaker and between world
I'm glad that they're bringing back the original formula while still making it different although I wish they keep some linearity to it
We saw heart pieces hidden in the over world and it looks like we will actually get a story trailer soon. I didnt like botw and totk but finally finding useful yhings instead of korok seeds and a actual story makes me eccited
If echoes aren’t permanently learnable I’ll pass though. Botw’s Weapon durability,(ripped straight from sticker star) only works in games with limited resources like fire emblem. It robs botw/totk of any sense of progression
the purple enemies that come from the goo thing might actually be immune to the bind ability
As someone who honestly doesn't like BOTW at all and hasn't even tried TOTK - another OOT/TP/WW style Zelda is all I want.
I'm happy for the fans who enjoy top-downs and BOTW, but it's not for me- so I'll just keep hitting the hopium
They turned a metroidvania into a sandbox. Doesn't take a genius to understand why the fanbase is split, and not just for "muh nostalgia". Problem is it's not as easy as just mixing the two styles, they're fundamentally in conflict with each other - one rewards and unlocks areas of the world with new abilities, the other gives them all to you at the start and lets you find fun in how you explore, at the cost of actual rewards since they already gave them out.
Since the pandora's box has already been opened, I think the solution is to have games for both styles that they can go all the way with the respective style, and to continuously try to innovate and improve both styles. There's PLENTY more room for improvement for the freedom style - but the linear style also needs to work harder to figure out how to differentiate its titles as well.
(My personal favorite is still Majora's Mask for its timeloop mechanic, which led to its deeper characters and sidequests, which colored its darker tone and plot.)
I think if they really want to commit to this style though, the best route would be to take notes from the budding metroidbrania genre, like Outer Wilds. This way, they can design the worlds around knowledge-gates that give players the freedom to figure them out through careful experimentation or observation - offering the sacred player freedom - while still having rewards for exploration, just with knowledge instead of upgrades and abilities... which basically function like new abilities that you could always use in the world, but just didn't know about.
I like it. My only problem with this game is that it seems a little too easy. Hopefully they make a master difficulty mode or something.
Summoning magic tends to be difficult to balance if you aren’t an RTS
I seriously doubt we have seen a lot of the game likely just the easier area
BotW (Master Mode not included) and TotK could be _made_ trivial, but this gameplay trailer looks it's definitely for the youngest common denominator.
Or, it could possibly be more of a puzzle game. Instead of having a big combat focus. Considering the game has wisdom in the title.
@@emperorbulby3761 Then why are echoes built to break the game for you? Unless by puzzle game you mean chores and minecraft lite. Garry's mod nutz and boltz sequel here we come. 😺
The comment about top down Zelda's not having much to do is definitely disingenuous
Childish? It’s a Nintendo game…..
5:45 that hooked fish looks like a grumpy disembodied head 👀
TBH fans of any IP are gonna have strong opinions.
I love BoTW's Link and Zelda. I'd be happy to see them featured in another game - but at the same time, I understand the argument: showing influence from a previous related title isn't the same as reusing the names, places and character designs.
Hyrule, Link and Zelda can all look and feel as varied as the imagination of the creators allow, but will always be connected by the Triforce.
I'm on team, "I'm tired of the Wild formula", but I'm also optimistic about the wild formula aspects that are in EoW. It's def copium, but I'm hoping this game is an experiment to see how those mechanics can work in a classic game akin to how they used Zelda 1's engine to theory test Breath of the Wild. Ultimately, if we're not going to see the classic 3d formula for awhile, then I hope this will bring us closer to a semi-open world 3d Zelda that perfectly blends the best of both.
A semi-open world Zelda with a Dark Souls 1-esque approach to the world design sounds pretty cool imo. Again, copium
I really want to be like this, but I fell for the totk hype and have now been burned twice.
If learned echoes are permanent I might buy, but if they constantly need to be relearned like weapon durability then hard pass
6:15 I actually wouldn't mind a Zelda game where Link and or Princess Zelda travel to a neighboring kingdom for diplomacy reasons and get caught up in some sort of plot there, as long as the world remains high fantasy. Link in the original Zelda was a knight errant who was just happening through Hyrule at the time and if Zelda goes to a nearby kingdom to meet their rulers, Link could be her bodyguard and get sent along. Like Mario Odyssey but instead of modern cities, like Brooklyn, we travel to historical fantasy inspired settings, like ancient Rome, Egypt or feudal Japan.
I personally haven't liked botw or toto's take on anything. I felt like they tried to turn Zelda into a genre it was never meant to be. I feel like those would have been better as a whole new franchise on their own and we continued to have a more linear experience as I have always been accustomed to with Zelda. It allowed me to truly feel the sense of Zelda progression. In botw and totk I can't ever tell if I have improved or gotten worse no matter how many hours I put into the games. They just feel wrong for Zelda and they never feel like anything Zelda needs to be. They feel more like a soulslike and I personally can't enjoy those kinds of titles.
I will be missing this game and any future LoZ games that don’t go back to OoT style.
Your loss, then. Nintendo isn't going to cater just to you.
I will enjoy this game, but I want a classic Zelda style game. I was okay with BOTW but TOTK went off the rails for me.
The fans will just take it upon themselves to create what it is we truly crave
It’s so easy to say this as a Nintendo Fans
No games Doesn’t need to be all realistic to be good
Good graphics ≠ Good game
Echo Of Wisdom Takes Place After Link Awakening A Long Sleep
Tbh i feel like this whole debate would have been easier for everyone if Aonuma didn't say Classic Zelda would never return(No hate to the guy, just some of his takes are rarher dumb).
I have a feeling Nintendo is fully aware of all of this and is already brainstorming/working on another Zelda game that is all new but fully follows the original formula
I'm a lifelong Zelda fan at 42 (even my daughter is named Zelda), and I'm happy with all the games. They're each different and distinct and I don't want rehashes. My whole family was excited at the info that came out on Echoes of Wisdom. If you want a top down Zelda like the old ones, then just go back and play those. There is plenty in that style to choose from.
If you want an open world game, just go back and play all the other open world games out there. Surly its all the same, right?
Can we PLEASE stop conflating "I don't like some of the ways this has changed" with "I hate innovation"
I like how you picked one comment and made it as if most people commented like this. You're creating a narrative based in a lie
The Zelda series was changed by breath of the wild, heck it changed gaming as we no it. Nintendo has a brand new line of fans that have gotten into the series. My prediction is that Nintendo’s trying to ease these new players into the traditional game style by bringing in mechanics and features from the newer titles. The old formula isn’t gone, they just don’t want to overwhelm new players with this completely new game style. Unfortunately it’s at the expense of use long time Zelda fans, but it’s not even that much similar. People are taking this way to far
Ahh that's a good take :0
aonuma said "why would you want the traditional gameplay back?"
plus we also already HAVE awakening remake on switch
This goes for every form of media, heck even book covers and I can NOT stress it enough:
*Just because it looks like it’s for kids, does NOT mean it’s for kids*
Exactly.
The 'Classic Zelda Formula' was killed by repetition.
THIS IS FAX! And the fact that Zelda devs are clearly sick of it shows that it shouldn’t be the series’s main focus.
@@insanimator None of these new Zelda games are realy Zelda. Are they good? Yes, are they Zelda? no.
If you think zelda games are repetitive then you are clearly not a zelda fan
@@alanhardy7024 No true Zelda fan falacy? Seriously? Been a fan since Ocarina and have played all of them but TFH but please gatekeep me more.
@@andyenglish4303 So lets just bounce between the two formats as we get sick of one then go to the other. Open world Zelda games are great, but they are doing a horrible job balancing them with linear games.
The creator wanted a "Free roaming" game where players can explore whereever and however they want. They worked so hard on this game that it was worth it.
He wanted to break the gaming physics to allow players explore around without obstacles to break or pass. That was fun tbh. Fun enough to where if it was eliminated, it wouldnt be challenging. And that's like handing the game to babies or toddlers because this gameplay is a fit for them.
Removing obstacles made the game way less challenging. and jumping straight to the final boss? That's like saying that you dont enjoy the game. You just wanted to finish it.
This is gonna be their NSMB/Mario Mandate era 😂
@@DDKoD bro for real 💀
Whatever, I'll just keep waiting until we get another more traditional game. It would be nice to have Windwaker and tp on switch though. More accessible that way.
Not everything has to be traditional but you do you.
Botw and totk are my favorite two Zelda games. Like Red dead redemption 2 and the Witcher 3 I just spend hours adventuring around, doing quests and finding cool things.
what cool things, generic unity locations that have you finding flint amber shrines and korok seeds 500000 times?
@@poppi8432 Classic zelda widow detected 😂
@@Mr.Chimpazee It was a genuine question and you can't even answer it lmao
@@poppi8432 Here’s the answer for you 👇
Classic zelda widow 🤣
I literally burst out a laugh of dissapointment when zelda used ultrahand. Can we move past this era of zelda into something new please?
I'm a Zelda fan and I'm perfectly happy. 😊
Good girl
You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Thank you Nintendo for another Zelda I shall be playing, I am very pleased😊
Ah yes, the revert back to old Zelda. Pretty sure when twilight princess and SS were released, people were getting sick of the old formula. Also, Botw and totk are the best selling in the Zelda franchise, it would be the worst marketing imaginable to go back to games that sold a couple million.
I think smol Zelda and Link are cute
I don't think people realize that every Zelda game after BotW adds more classic Zelda elements to it. And Nintendo is trying to mix both styles to make everyone happy.
Except TotK is even less like classic Zelda than BotW.
@@hist150project5 How? Its dungeons felt more like classic Zelda, it brought back Like Likes, Gibdos, and Gleeoks, the bosses were more like classic Zelda bosses, and it brought back the sages and Ganondorf. And while it's still very similar to BotW it has more classic Zelda elements to it.
Classic zelda always had the metroidvania elements that botw removed entirely. Each dungeon offered a new item that unlocked new areas or upgraded tools, and overworld upgrades were permanent.
That’s what people mean by classic zelda
@@poliwhirlking Dungeons, maybe. They're still a far cry from classic dungeons but I guess they are slightly closer to classic dungeons than BotW. However, dungeons make up less than 1% of TotK's total playtime. As for the rest of the game, the ultrahand/building mechanics takes the game much farther from classic Zelda than BotW was. Adding a few returning enemies doesn't make the game more like classic Zelda.
@@firenze6478 Yeah I know
I'm all for this game
Getting to play as Zelda is like a dream come true
Traditional fans are very obnoxious
They go out of their way to make you feel bad for liking the new Zelda games.
You're acting like new fans don't do that to people who like the traditional games
@@hist150project5
Never seen that happen however there’s a million videos of traditional fans shitting on totk
It’s a literal war crime to like totk
About the bed, it could be to access the different memories of the past, or of Link and Zelda, or something along those lines.
I am a lifelong Zelda fan and I am not upset. I think this is awesome.
Thank you! Finally someone agrees!
If the dungeons are more linear then this would be one of the best Zelda games giving the freedom to explore but more traditional dungeons unlike botw and totk.
People need to give it a rest. Zelda had the same formula from ALTTP to Skyward Sword.
And complained the entire time about a stale formula.
Cool. Mario games have had the same formula since 1985. They should get rid of jumping in future Mario games and turn the series into a first person shooter to keep things fresh.
@@hist150project5What an idiotic argument, Mario changed its formula completely with 64 for the 3D games, only 2D games reflected the franchise's traditional formula, 3D only recovered to a certain point with Galaxy, and finally recovered completely with 3D land and 3D world, that is until Odyssey came and changed it again. If you remove Mario from Mario 64 and replace it with another character, the game will become a common platform game, nothing special. The reason mario fans don't hate this game is because it's a nostalgic game, the same goes for zelda fans, unable to accept that the almost 40 year old franchise changes its formula after 13 different versions of alttp.
@@schutze1399 But they never took away 2D Mario, or forced 2D Mario into 3D Mario's style. Both were always available.
It's not 2D BOTW, it's 2D TOTK.
It's neither. It's a sequel to A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening.
@@Diogo85 This comment is 3 weeks old after seeing recent trailers I've completely changed my mind about the game
I'm still looking forward to this game, but Nintendo, do me a favor: BRING BACK TRADITIONAL ZELDA!
They kind of are here it’s 2D after all. First new 2d game is years. Also they will never truly go back why would they it doesn’t sell as well.
Classic zelda are already obselete in 2024 🗿
I really don’t care what they do I’m going to play it anyway