Epic show!!!! @3:35:27 Jaffe was on 🔥🔥🔥 with them knock knock jokes 🤣🤣🤣 nice to see the back and forth wit King and Jaffe. I think it's cool even though Jaffe is not a fanboy he can still have fun with it.
Great show and really good chemistry between king and jaffe. Its criminal at this point that you are still around 20.000 subs. That number needs to grow massively!
Crying at the wedding section during intros 😂 and just got to my question, thanks Cog. How it was pronounced the whole way thru high school, real eye-talian is Keer-Ah-Mon-Tay
Great show Lords. Jaffe was great and the Sony discussion was really good. Also grown men believing in haunted houses? Because the dead have nothing better to do than make noises in the background.
Personally think that Jaffe and Cog have a narrow view of what makes a franchise. They apparently think that it involves creating iconic protagonists make franchises exclusively. They completely overlook how world building, from games like Elder Scrolls, Wasteland, Fallout, and Pillars make franchises that players can have a deeper connection with. Because while with Jaffe and Cog's protagonist driven franchises let the player in as a passenger, the world building franchises let the player insert themselves into those universes. That creates a deeper connection for the player that I'd argue Sony hasn't been able to really achieve. MS flourishes in it, though. Even Halo is so strong because it goes far beyond Master Chief, it's a whole freaking universe. These are memorable franchises with very loyal fanbases that allow them to thrive.
I was not- and I am sure Cog was not- saying the games you mention have no value when it comes to being much loved franchises. I was simply (and it sounds like Cog was as well) saying Xbox needs at least a few franchises that can birth the kind of marketing friendly, mass media friendly content that instantly reads (on a commercial, side of a bus, in a movie,etc.) in order to grow the mind share of the brand XBOX.
@@DavidJaffeGames Fair enough. There's certainly room for character centric content with the iconic protagonist at Microsoft Gaming. Just seems like when you guys talk about it that you sound like you are downplaying those world building centric franchises as not being 'true' franchises because they don't have that iconic protagonist (even though they still tend to have memorable characters regardless). I'd argue that those franchises are just as mainstream. Otherwise, why would Skyrim keep selling after ten years plus? Starfield still broke records. Doesn't seem like the iconic protagonist is mandatory when iconic worlds are just as good (Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto blows the hell out of the idea of the iconic protagonist being mandatory for mainstream appeal). The greatest franchises to ever exist are world building centric with no main protagonist (Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, etc.).
Great ILP today 👍Some beefy and off the cuff moments for sure. 🤣🥩 Shout out to David Jaffe ✅️ Also hope Lord Addict gets well soon 🙏 ILP, 2 of my SuperChats were not mentioned on ILP today. I had family things to do and could not be there live. I left the SuperChats in the Pre-Show Chatroom. At the time they were the only two. 1 SC was for being a member for 9 months, and the other was a $5 SC. Can you please check? Thanks very much 👍
Gotta Say Cog and Jaffe made some great points about new IP production from Xbox. Xbox doesn't Excel at that BUT also keep in mind they've never had the amount of Studios they have now and new IPs are coming, albeit not summer blockbuster caliber, so in that sense they're still lacking but we'll see.
Just as wild as the Goty nominee's. How about best voice actor. Consider all the performances in Baldurs Gate and so many other quality games this year. That category is going to be huge.
Honestly, coonie helped Sony get into this situation with million-dollar games that don't sell as they think or make a profit without the help of bundles.
another great show Lords! 🔥 i agree with Jaffe as much as i disagree with him on any given day, (a bit like Colin in that respect) 😂, but like to hear his thoughts nontheless, and wow, we all knew it was gonna happen some day, Lady Sarah Bond rising to become President of Xbox is great to see! she's put in the work, now it's all paying off. she'll be a great leader for when Phil decides to retire. 👑 love to see it. peace!
So happy for Remedy. Feels like they really had to go multiplat to find success, first with Control & now Alan Wake 2. BTW anybody saying Alan Wake "too short" or nah?
Don't know why Jaffe keeps including Druckmann in that list of 'alphas'. He's mainly been successful with supervision reining him in. We've seen the disasters from him when he doesn't have the leash.
Agreed and when we see Druckmann control a game the results weren’t great at all. (Last of Us 2 😒) And there was internal hell with the development of that game also.
Yall need to let your guests speak, with out interruption. Write down your question and wait, take a hint from game on daily with gazs podcast. It's the quietest I've ever heard gaz. Jaffe is the star. Let him guide your conversation, jeez. I love the show, but when Jaffes is on, it's his show!!!!
When Jaffe was espousing what xbox should do in the manner of dropping short length titles is EXACTLY what PS is doing going forward. Smaller games and a lot of redundancy. I don't want Xbox to start dropping DLC taking the place of full length games. GTFOH 🤬
Smaller games is not the same as redundancy. It CAN be but that would be a different kind of fail (at the design level). If you dug Helldivers, I didn't feel that felt like GEARS 5. But even if it did, there's nothing saying a smaller game reusing foundational aspects of a previous game has to pretty much be the same game. I mean, that's where the creative work comes in, you know?
@@DavidJaffeGames while I dig that sentiment, don't you think the fatigue will set in quickly? People were already saying, a 3rd Spider-Man in 5 years. Remember Halo, Gears, and Forza chants? Recall how laughable it was to see a remaster of a game recently remade in last of us pt. 1? What I'm getting at is seeing the same title or characters every 3 years gets kinda SAMEY.
Fantastic show! I watched it live and it felt like Jaffe was the secret 5th lord. Well done!
Jaffa fit in so well this time round. Him and King bouncing together was hilarious.
Epic show!!!! @3:35:27
Jaffe was on 🔥🔥🔥 with them knock knock jokes 🤣🤣🤣 nice to see the back and forth wit King and Jaffe. I think it's cool even though Jaffe is not a fanboy he can still have fun with it.
Great show and really good chemistry between king and jaffe. Its criminal at this point that you are still around 20.000 subs. That number needs to grow massively!
Wasn't working livestream buffering like crazy in Europe.
Watching now fine. Iron Lords 🤘
Waiting on them Coordinates from Addict.
Absolutely incredible show today.
If anyone sees this comment please watch till the end. Jaffe and King had me ROLLING 🤣
Thanks 🎉
Man it feels good having a grown up in the room
Lmaoo what a fun episode, plz have Jaffe back!🎉
Jaffe with his endless wisdom
Crying at the wedding section during intros 😂 and just got to my question, thanks Cog. How it was pronounced the whole way thru high school, real eye-talian is Keer-Ah-Mon-Tay
Great podcast and nice to see jaffe with the lords on this sunday spectacular show
Wasn’t working for me live so I’ll catch up now, cheers lads! Excited for next Sunday 😂💪🏻
Great show Lords. Jaffe was great and the Sony discussion was really good. Also grown men believing in haunted houses? Because the dead have nothing better to do than make noises in the background.
Deadspace remake on gamepass?!!.... what ?? Thanks for the heads-up
Great show Lords cognito Addict Sovereign King David and David Jaffe
What chemistry!!! King + Jaffe. Now get Gaz on and the whole gym will be laughing (we all watch) 😅
Personally think that Jaffe and Cog have a narrow view of what makes a franchise. They apparently think that it involves creating iconic protagonists make franchises exclusively. They completely overlook how world building, from games like Elder Scrolls, Wasteland, Fallout, and Pillars make franchises that players can have a deeper connection with. Because while with Jaffe and Cog's protagonist driven franchises let the player in as a passenger, the world building franchises let the player insert themselves into those universes. That creates a deeper connection for the player that I'd argue Sony hasn't been able to really achieve. MS flourishes in it, though. Even Halo is so strong because it goes far beyond Master Chief, it's a whole freaking universe. These are memorable franchises with very loyal fanbases that allow them to thrive.
I was not- and I am sure Cog was not- saying the games you mention have no value when it comes to being much loved franchises. I was simply (and it sounds like Cog was as well) saying Xbox needs at least a few franchises that can birth the kind of marketing friendly, mass media friendly content that instantly reads (on a commercial, side of a bus, in a movie,etc.) in order to grow the mind share of the brand XBOX.
@@DavidJaffeGames 100% Agree;) - Cog
@@DavidJaffeGames Fair enough. There's certainly room for character centric content with the iconic protagonist at Microsoft Gaming. Just seems like when you guys talk about it that you sound like you are downplaying those world building centric franchises as not being 'true' franchises because they don't have that iconic protagonist (even though they still tend to have memorable characters regardless). I'd argue that those franchises are just as mainstream. Otherwise, why would Skyrim keep selling after ten years plus? Starfield still broke records. Doesn't seem like the iconic protagonist is mandatory when iconic worlds are just as good (Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto blows the hell out of the idea of the iconic protagonist being mandatory for mainstream appeal). The greatest franchises to ever exist are world building centric with no main protagonist (Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, etc.).
Great ILP today 👍Some beefy and off the cuff moments for sure. 🤣🥩
Shout out to David Jaffe ✅️
Also hope Lord Addict gets well soon 🙏
ILP,
2 of my SuperChats were not mentioned on ILP today.
I had family things to do and could not be there live. I left the SuperChats in the Pre-Show Chatroom. At the time they were the only two.
1 SC was for being a member for 9 months, and the other was a $5 SC.
Can you please check?
Thanks very much 👍
Got it 😢
@lordkingdavidlordkingdavid4152 Thank you, Lord King David 👍
Another Great Episode
Gotta Say Cog and Jaffe made some great points about new IP production from Xbox. Xbox doesn't Excel at that BUT also keep in mind they've never had the amount of Studios they have now and new IPs are coming, albeit not summer blockbuster caliber, so in that sense they're still lacking but we'll see.
Just as wild as the Goty nominee's. How about best voice actor. Consider all the performances in Baldurs Gate and so many other quality games this year. That category is going to be huge.
I'm in agreement with addict for GoW 3. Such a fantastic game
Honestly, coonie helped Sony get into this situation with million-dollar games that don't sell as they think or make a profit without the help of bundles.
another great show Lords! 🔥 i agree with Jaffe as much as i disagree with him on any given day, (a bit like Colin in that respect) 😂, but like to hear his thoughts nontheless, and wow, we all knew it was gonna happen some day, Lady Sarah Bond rising to become President of Xbox is great to see! she's put in the work, now it's all paying off. she'll be a great leader for when Phil decides to retire. 👑 love to see it. peace!
This one was really fun and entertaining. Cheers to the lords and get well Lord Addict!
So happy for Remedy. Feels like they really had to go multiplat to find success, first with Control & now Alan Wake 2. BTW anybody saying Alan Wake "too short" or nah?
Don't know why Jaffe keeps including Druckmann in that list of 'alphas'. He's mainly been successful with supervision reining him in. We've seen the disasters from him when he doesn't have the leash.
Agreed and when we see Druckmann control a game the results weren’t great at all. (Last of Us 2 😒) And there was internal hell with the development of that game also.
It's funny ps is the one pushing digital but everybody was worried about xbix 😂
Amazing show today guys!
My smoker and pressure washer have wifi access it’s a bit to far
Great show lords
Baal means Lord. They're basically calling themselves the Devil.
Yall need to let your guests speak, with out interruption. Write down your question and wait, take a hint from game on daily with gazs podcast. It's the quietest I've ever heard gaz. Jaffe is the star. Let him guide your conversation, jeez. I love the show, but when Jaffes is on, it's his show!!!!
Damn this isn't a 6hr show. You guys are getting old :/ I remember the young lords used to do 4 and a half to 6hr shows.
Fury lost its ok to admit it King
Look I don't like the guy but I know how to score properly. It was 7-3 Tyson fury.
Anyway Conny will go to Xbox because they NEED HER!
Baal (satan) means Lord.
Socom or twisted metal
When Jaffe was espousing what xbox should do in the manner of dropping short length titles is EXACTLY what PS is doing going forward. Smaller games and a lot of redundancy. I don't want Xbox to start dropping DLC taking the place of full length games. GTFOH 🤬
Smaller games is not the same as redundancy. It CAN be but that would be a different kind of fail (at the design level). If you dug Helldivers, I didn't feel that felt like GEARS 5. But even if it did, there's nothing saying a smaller game reusing foundational aspects of a previous game has to pretty much be the same game. I mean, that's where the creative work comes in, you know?
@@DavidJaffeGames while I dig that sentiment, don't you think the fatigue will set in quickly? People were already saying, a 3rd Spider-Man in 5 years. Remember Halo, Gears, and Forza chants? Recall how laughable it was to see a remaster of a game recently remade in last of us pt. 1? What I'm getting at is seeing the same title or characters every 3 years gets kinda SAMEY.
The last of us TV show is poor man's THe walking dead. If you compare both season 1s...TLOUS S1 is slow & boring
Could watch live in uk buffing like hell great show jaffe is the man respect to the lords thank for the content and get well soon lord addict