Clearly there is a HUGE gap in the expectations of cyber security workers and the available applicants... yet it seems that a lot of larger companies refuse to think about training people for this positions themselves, like traineeships... It's sounds very similar to the I can't get a job because I can't get experience because I can't get experience because I can't get a job because circle....
Its easy. Install kali, learn tor. Target a bad guy and hide from the government... watch snowden speak. Security is the easiest field in CS... not really, because security philosophy gets super complicated. Because most times in order to be secure it means the enemy must be insecure, where we have the advantage
Exactly! It's insane that there are hundreds of thousands of jobs that aren't filled yet companies won't train people to do anything. It's not just IT and Cybersecurity, but it's most extreme in these fields. The lack of investment in training is killing our economy and ability to use people's skills in the most efficient way possible.
Exactly! This is the fault of the certifications monopoly from ISACA and ISC. The only certifications that are available for anyone interested in learning the stuff are from CompTIA and these other institutions and the private sector look down on them. I have being a server administrator for almost 20 years. Took the Security+ and the CySA+. A lot of the tools and material from the exam are daily tasks for me. They really need to give more people a chance and train more people.
Reminds me when I tried to get my first credit card. I can't get a credit card because I dont have established credit history I can't get established credit history because I can't get a credit card Circle.....
i dont mean to be so off topic but does any of you know a method to log back into an instagram account?? I was stupid forgot my account password. I would appreciate any help you can give me!
This was so discouraging, it made me feel like "you can never get in" if these are the videos to watch I think I'll choose a different field. Don't worry guys it worked, your jobs are safe, you've successfully ran off someone who was interested in the field
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
Wow I can't believe this was posted by AT&T. I am extremely disappointed that this is the narrative being posted by a large tech company. One of the largest pit falls of IT is this gatekeeping mentality. College graduates have been learning dynamically for years; therefore, their ability to learn and adapt quickly will far exceed those much older and "stuck in their ways." For anyone young and wanting to get into the InfoSec field, please be wary of this advice. How is someone supposed to know what section of cybersecurity until they have tried it? I could not express how disappointed I am in this condensending interview of actual hiring managers discrediting/discouraging upcoming workers.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
I agree that having a thorough background in a certain field is valuable, , but universities now specifically provide "cyber security" courses, which give students an understanding of fundamentals in information security but don't really give in depth knowledge about any specific field. With a degree that states you studied "cyber security", and without any other path to take from there, entry level cyber security jobs are crucial. Security literacy and understanding of fundamental concepts to a certain degree should be given some sort of value. Employers either need to start training cyber security individuals into specific roles or educators need to seperate a "cyber security" degree into further specialized fields ( like the mind map you showed or according to the NICE framework).
Was half way done with Bachelors In IT Cybersecurity this past March. Did not feel like I was learning enough through courses. Paused the school, completed CompTIA A+ and S+ then got a fulltime helpdesk job. I feel way more confident now that by the time I graduate, I will at least have basics down and couple years of relevant experience.
These thoughts they share are what most of the recruiters in some countries like Australia are looking for. It's basically because, they all did that. And they think, everyone should have another IT background for nearly 10 years. A networking Engineer background always helps. Don't know what a software developer would bring to the table more than that of what a smart kiddie could bring. Everyone knows there are not many smart cyber security guys than the Best Hackers in the world. Could you please tell me, what industry knowledge of 10- 15 years these hackers possess ?. No wonder more smarter hackers are in the world, than smarter security specialists. Because, they don't have to depend on these type of interviewing morons.
Wow. You are misunderstanding the video. The point of the software developer example is that your current role may not be a cyber security job but may have some aspect of it that could count as experience for the right type of cyber security role. And I dont get your point about script kiddkes and "the best hackers in the world." Basically you seen to think that the essence of cybersecurity is the ability to hack. Um no. This is only a small percentage of the cyber security jobs out there (pen tester). A script kiddie is not getting any of these jobs. And the best hackers in the world be doing those if they bad chosen that as a career path. While its possoble for the best hackers to get these jobs after they are caught, the chances are very low because nobody is going to hire someone who could destroy their organization. Landing your first job in IT Security can be a long tough journey. It was for me. I understand your frustration. However you are dismissing people who can make this journey easier and misunderstanding their advice.
Software dev experience will be necessary for Application security engineer kinda roles. But definitely agree with the rest of your comment. In fact, you'll see this sort of elitist mentality when you try to get a entry level software dev role too.
Considering the size of your company, You can help your industry by creating an entry level/apprenticeship system to close the skills gap. If you just lament on why there is a skills gap it will still not be solved. So my suggestion would be to put your resources to good use and be proactive. Start an apprentice program, invest in your future, give people the skills they need and that you require .In theory if you don't make your field bigger and better , you are failing to further security for the future, which means your failing at security period.
So ridiculous and de-motivating to see a bunch of professional jokingly talk like this, I landed in this video only because I'm so frustrated of how expectations are set for an entry level role in Cyber Security. With 2 years experience in network operations and pursuing an internship in SecOps I still ONLY get rejections from all the jobs I apply. I don't just shoot at any job mentioning cyber security, but at least try to match 4-5 skills in that job advertisement and still get declined. Its never been a fair and equal opportunity for freshers and this is why there are genius hackers hacking things and people who are genuinely interested are just being treated as " you are not skilled".
There is more recognition now in the United States of the lack of entry-level positions into "cyber careers," a term which includes both Information Technology and Cybersecurity fields.
You guys are terrible at this! lol There are people interested in changing their career paths, updating their skills and clearly want to enter the field of cyber security. By your own accounts, there are plenty of jobs within cyber security for audits, servers, apps, etc, yet in this video, there is this smug, pretentious, pessimistic tone of impossibility of anyone being able to execute these aspects of cyber security outside of your own. Just tell people the tools they will need before entering the world of cyber security and try not to make the road seem impossible. Challenging, sure but not impossible.
Thanks for this comment, I’m just about to get started on a Cyber Security Program, this video put me down for a couple of seconds and then I read your comment. This people are terrible.
@@derlicandelario3665 if it helps with anything, just today one of my profesor was speaking about this in class this morning, he said many employers including him are willing to hire someone with no professional experience as long as they proveed to know the programs or tools required for the job, especially main entree level like the one that asked 3-5 years of experience they are willing to overlooked it, he said as long you are not applying for a job that requires 10 plus years of experience one should be fine
It would also help if people in these higher-level positions reached down to people who just graduated from college or on a helpdesk to help them get practical knowledge of these concepts. It's great to have a certification or a degree, but if nobody is willing to apprentice people just coming into the IT field of work, it's going to get worse. This is specifically true for large companies. Too many of these large companies are not willing to invest in the training and education of their employees, for they're looking at as a cost instead of an integral part of the continuity of business operations.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
This makes a lot of sense, when i started studying Cybersecurity i didn't realize the depth of knowledge you need to have and how many specialized sub-fields were involved. It wasn't until i became my companies unofficial network admin that i realize i don't know anything. I didn't know how to use macOS or Linux, didn't know what Wireshark and etc. You need to be able to at least read JS, Python, HTML, CSS, You absolutely need to know Bash, Powershell and the cmd to even set up sensors. Cybersecurity is very complex
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
Open minded businesses will hire you asap if you’re good. Big corps, good luck with the HR departments. * Jump to 5:32 to avoid punching your monitor and listen to some useful tips. Have an awesome day everyone!
These guys had such a smug and pretentious look 😂. It's as if they didn't want ANYONE working in their field because they think they might be out of a job. And then they wonder why it's so hard to fill a role.
You might be right but if you're hungry to learn and he's what you have to go through to get the experience and understanding to get to where you want in your career then you have no choice but to suck it up. Unless of course you start your own business but you still have to deal with clients, your family, investors, employees and of course the bill collectors. Sometimes its not what you want but what you're willing to go through even if you fail, learn from it.
Why not? What he says is pretty solid. It took me a few years to get my first IT Security job. Juding from this video, if I had him as a mentor and followed his adviicr I would have entered the field much sooner than I did
I hope they will figure out a way to fill in this gap, also because its such an emerging field universities and employers may not know how to fill that bridge for applicants to gain those skills. Maybe, it will become like medicine where you do placements as part of your university degree so by the time you graduate you can get an entry level job
@Whitney Titus really ? I've been doing hacking and learning about security and stuff . I enjoy it very much but I'm really confused . Some people say entry level security jobs dont exist while some say they do . I have no clue if I should continue doing this . I'm so passionate about it. I'm currently an Information Technology student in uni.
I think what they mean is that cybersecurity roles involve an indepth understanding of networking, scripting, some programming etc. before jumping into a cybersecurity role. So most job require some experience in these fields.
I can appreciate what you are saying.. as I'm graduating with an MS in Cybersecurity this Spring, my peers are NOT ready for the embarrassment they will receive at their first interview. I could see the writing on the wall early on there are many skills that colleges are not teaching and they are doing a disservice.
Their mindset is reflected in these unrealistic, looking-for-unicorn applicants in these job postings. This is ridiculous. How can you expect someone who is applying for this job and you’re EXPECTING them to know things of this other job that they have no background nor training in? That means you’re at least looking for a mid-level applicant but no! They’re talking about entry-level??? Smh. This is crazy.
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
@@christalvsq job creation is not as big of an issue as much as the hiring practices needing to be improved. We have a surplus of positions in IT. However, the big issues lie in looking for mid-level IT applicant to fill entry level positions with entry level pay.
So does a Cyber Security major with a minor in Net Admin look better or a Net Admin major with Cyber minor when trying to get in the field from college?
Skype Guy: You can't come directly into Cybersecurity you need experience some in development. What??? Both mindset are very different man! There are great minds out there man!
Its exactly this kind of thinking and ridiculous expectations that pull people away from Cybersecurity/IT. I am starting a BS in Cybersecurity in a few months after deciding Finance bored me. However, my plan is to study hard and use my free time to learn Python and Web Dev and get an entry level job as a programmer instead of going the I.T route. I cant waste my time doing an I.T helpdesk job and make shit money for years.
I've heard that help desk may work for 6mo, then move on right away. 1 year max. What have you found out so far? Can you share what you're doing now and what you think about future moves?
There is a huge demand for the cyber field but there really isn't anything to help the demand of people in the field. There is simply to much you have to learn before you jump into the field and most people arent patient enough to try and train someone that is super interested. Having good knowledge in coding, networking, and general IT is A LOT to ask for from someone who is new in the field. You'll end up with a lot of middle aged guys doing the work because they are the only ones with experience.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce. Federal and state governments, as well as larger companies within the United States are doing more now to meet people where they are at.
I think some people do actually jump into a SOC analyst job as a first IT job -- using specific training programs to develop requisite skills. *EDIT* ** oh, ha -- they did end up mentioning that **
in order to secure systems and networks one must first learn how systems and networks work, I think that's what they are trying to say and of course programming knowledge is great for cyber security because it helps in writing scripts and automating tasks using Python/Powershell/Bash. Especially in the US colleges need to come up with better curriculums suited for Security related jobs
Absolutely, if CS doesn't completely depend on programming, but at least you need to understand language, reading codes, writing scripts to which field or aspect you are into Cyber Security
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
Very discouraging video, how can you say there is no entry level cybersecurity job but when asked how much entry level positions are paid? You said $75 to 100.000😀
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
this video isn’t entirely true lol. There are definitely entry level positions in this field….Booz Allen Hamilton just hired a friend of mine that graduated from a BS cyber security program! She has 1 year of help desk support but she obtained her Security+ and AWS cert while she was in school. Don’t let this video discourage you!!!
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
Colleges and Universities have started teaching pure Cyber-Security courses. Entry-level jobs for these people will be open. I do not have any experience in other job areas, but I have a sec+, a+, net+, linux+, associate degree, and an entry-level job.
whoa.....how did you prepare for all of those? I have no prior experience and finished high school a year ago. I wanted to know whether i should start with Comptia's IT fundamentals + course or A+. Furthermore, how much studying did you have to do for these - especially A+ and Network +......
@@joelalumasa8157 Hey, I stuided 1 week for comptia A+ Core 1, 2 weeks for A+ Core 2, 2 weeks for Net+ and 2 weeks for security+. You can do what I did, but I barely passed these courses. Ten or so wrong answers and I would have wasted money. You can do it at my pace, or you can do one cert a month as most people do.
Don't. You'll hate it. I left truck driving to finish my tech certs. There's no money in trucking you will be overworked underpaid and treated like a peasant. It's an even harder industry to break into your first 3 years will be making less than a liveable wage and you will never see your own bed
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there is more recognition at the federal and state level, as well as within private industry, of the need to tap overlooked talent pools, to include individuals who are looking to pivot into a second career.
hey guys I know cyber-security is more of a male dominated career but I'm having some issues. I have an associates degree in cyber-security and comptia security+ certified ... but I applied to over 200 jobs and they all keep telling me I need 2 years experience. I have personal experience but they don't care about this .. they want to see if I have been working with a cybersecurity company or companies for 2 or more years. That's what they consider experience. So like plumbers and electricians who enter apprenticeship programs and get experience while working with a company... are there such apprenticeships in cyber-security. Not bootcamps but apprenticeship programs ... and if not then how I'm I suppose to get a job within any cybersecurity company then??
It sucks but I think the easiest way is to get a job on the helpdesk. You only need the CompTIA A+ certificate for this. You might even be able to get a helpdesk role with security+ certification instead. 2 years will go by quickly.
Evans_thebest12 were you able to find a job? You might try volunteering for some non profit and then build relationships and get the right recommendation.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
Well, a better way imho would be encouraging interested parties to pursue specific knowledge, instead of telling people if they have 0 experience in any tech field to get lost, which is what that “recruiter” could be implying. Seek the knowledge by certification if you don’t have any knowledge and your chances will improve significantly by “ what ever %” of landing the cyber job.
ok so currently i make about 70k at my job. i work at a prison. basically a guard. i used to teach special ed before until i got bored. i have a ba from a well known uni in psychology. high gpa and awards. not a bad looking cv i guess but nothing related to computers. i read the key certs are the following: 1. comptia network+ 2. comptia security+ 3. comptia cysa+ 4. comptia pentest+ 5. CEH 6. Cisco CCNA if i get these certs only....can i land a job making at least 50k? i have a family so i cant go volunteer or intern. im 35. feel stuck :(
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there is more recognition at the federal and state level, as well as within private industry, of the need to tap overlooked talent pools, to include individuals who are looking to pivot into a second career.
This video pretty much sums up everything that's wrong with the industry. Gatekeeping and this perceived "skills gap" that is severely exacerbated and doesn't actually exist.
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity. If you are in the military, then for sure you should have a way to transition into a civilian cyber career!
A note on the cyber "Universe" as its mapped out. It sounds much like theories of brain "useage;" some say you only use five percent of your brain. Trying to hack your way into the brain with only five percent to work with is a tad lame, since you'll be using one hundred percent of the machine. The rest of the universe doesn't shut down and wait for you to observe it! You can't "know" everything, but you are an active part of "everything," so you need to study that map and see the relationships.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there is more recognition at the federal and state level, as well as within private industry, of the need to tap overlooked talent pools, to include individuals who are looking to pivot into a second career.
which came first the chicken or the egg, thats how i feel with cyber security field, especially since schools give generic classes and nothing specific. Have a masters degree in cyber security from reputable state school and still can't get a job........ in that field at least, they should train people for an entry level job because as they said in the video the cyber field is huge with many jobs... well than train us in those specific jobs at an entry level.
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
Its true... getting into security takes alot more tham a few certs. They're delivery could of been better, but they're "technical" people which isially have horrible blunt deliveries 😂. Luckily getting the experience they mwntiomed is not hard! u can start a home lab, take inexpensive online courses, participate in hackathons, learn security frameworks (RMF, FISMA, etc) and complete worthwhile certs like the sec+. Don't let these guys discourage any of u not already in the field to enter into it! Stay focused amd keep learning! ome foot in fromt of the other and i assure u thay you'll get a cyber role!
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are more apprenticeships to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce. The U.S. government considers both Information Technology and Cybersecurity as being on the spectrum of "cyber careers."
In reality they keep entry level jobs and hire experienced ppl for the same job they y the hell u have to keep them as entry level or grad jobs.This is so stupid
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
Cross-site scripting aka XXS. An example is a hacker injects malicious software into a vulnerable website and when users visit the site the virus is loaded into their computer, allowing the hacker to gain access to their system. If you know XXS you can patch the vulnerability to prevent the website from being compromised.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there is more recognition at the federal and state level, as well as within private industry, of the need to tap overlooked talent pools, to include individuals who are looking to pivot into a second or third career later in life!
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity. If you are in the military, then for sure you should have a way to transition into a civilian cyber career!
I am a comp sci undergraduate and i already know most security concepts. I have used wireshark, tshark, tcpdump, nmap, nessus and countless other security tools. Will i have any chance of getting a cybersecurity job straight outta my university?
@Hexadecimal U wish bruv. I will not lie though. I have not tried ctf's yet but I have owned kioptrix, metasploitable and i am an active hackthebox user. I am also proficient in java, c++, python and shell scripting. Also, I'm just getting started.
@Hexadecimal let's test you then.this is a java question. Tell me a way to check if an object belongs to a particular class such that it returns the value without considering the superclass and checks only and only for that particular class.
@Hexadecimal just say u don't know shit brother. And I'll be honest i don't know the answer for your question. But i think u said you've done above and beyond😂😂😂 shit man u really a dumbass
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are more apprenticeships to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce. The U.S. government considers both Information Technology and Cybersecurity as being on the spectrum of "cyber careers."
I don't blame these guys, I cannot imagine how many people apply for these roles with no experience and end up just wasting the interviewers time. If you're doing an internship then fair game.
Clearly there is a HUGE gap in the expectations of cyber security workers and the available applicants... yet it seems that a lot of larger companies refuse to think about training people for this positions themselves, like traineeships... It's sounds very similar to the
I can't get a job because
I can't get experience because
I can't get experience because
I can't get a job because
circle....
Its easy. Install kali, learn tor. Target a bad guy and hide from the government... watch snowden speak. Security is the easiest field in CS... not really, because security philosophy gets super complicated. Because most times in order to be secure it means the enemy must be insecure, where we have the advantage
Exactly! It's insane that there are hundreds of thousands of jobs that aren't filled yet companies won't train people to do anything. It's not just IT and Cybersecurity, but it's most extreme in these fields. The lack of investment in training is killing our economy and ability to use people's skills in the most efficient way possible.
Exactly! This is the fault of the certifications monopoly from ISACA and ISC. The only certifications that are available for anyone interested in learning the stuff are from CompTIA and these other institutions and the private sector look down on them. I have being a server administrator for almost 20 years. Took the Security+ and the CySA+. A lot of the tools and material from the exam are daily tasks for me. They really need to give more people a chance and train more people.
Reminds me when I tried to get my first credit card.
I can't get a credit card because
I dont have established credit history
I can't get established credit history because
I can't get a credit card
Circle.....
i dont mean to be so off topic but does any of you know a method to log back into an instagram account??
I was stupid forgot my account password. I would appreciate any help you can give me!
This was so discouraging, it made me feel like "you can never get in" if these are the videos to watch I think I'll choose a different field. Don't worry guys it worked, your jobs are safe, you've successfully ran off someone who was interested in the field
Exactly!
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
Wow I can't believe this was posted by AT&T. I am extremely disappointed that this is the narrative being posted by a large tech company. One of the largest pit falls of IT is this gatekeeping mentality. College graduates have been learning dynamically for years; therefore, their ability to learn and adapt quickly will far exceed those much older and "stuck in their ways." For anyone young and wanting to get into the InfoSec field, please be wary of this advice. How is someone supposed to know what section of cybersecurity until they have tried it? I could not express how disappointed I am in this condensending interview of actual hiring managers discrediting/discouraging upcoming workers.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
I agree that having a thorough background in a certain field is valuable, , but universities now specifically provide "cyber security" courses, which give students an understanding of fundamentals in information security but don't really give in depth knowledge about any specific field.
With a degree that states you studied "cyber security", and without any other path to take from there, entry level cyber security jobs are crucial. Security literacy and understanding of fundamental concepts to a certain degree should be given some sort of value.
Employers either need to start training cyber security individuals into specific roles or educators need to seperate a "cyber security" degree into further specialized fields ( like the mind map you showed or according to the NICE framework).
Was half way done with Bachelors In IT Cybersecurity this past March. Did not feel like I was learning enough through courses.
Paused the school, completed CompTIA A+ and S+ then got a fulltime helpdesk job.
I feel way more confident now that by the time I graduate, I will at least have basics down and couple years of relevant experience.
If you don't mind me asking, why did you skip the network+ certification?
shademon10 i think ccna would be better to take instead of network+
@@bluetech7128 Don't you need 5 years experience to do a ccna?
@@deussivenatura5805 No man. You just need to study for the CCNA and you can take the test after you are ready.
@@bluetech7128 Thanks budd.
These thoughts they share are what most of the recruiters in some countries like Australia are looking for. It's basically because, they all did that. And they think, everyone should have another IT background for nearly 10 years. A networking Engineer background always helps. Don't know what a software developer would bring to the table more than that of what a smart kiddie could bring. Everyone knows there are not many smart cyber security guys than the Best Hackers in the world. Could you please tell me, what industry knowledge of 10- 15 years these hackers possess ?.
No wonder more smarter hackers are in the world, than smarter security specialists. Because, they don't have to depend on these type of interviewing morons.
You gave me back hope after reading your comment.
Wow. You are misunderstanding the video. The point of the software developer example is that your current role may not be a cyber security job but may have some aspect of it that could count as experience for the right type of cyber security role.
And I dont get your point about script kiddkes and "the best hackers in the world." Basically you seen to think that the essence of cybersecurity is the ability to hack. Um no. This is only a small percentage of the cyber security jobs out there (pen tester). A script kiddie is not getting any of these jobs. And the best hackers in the world be doing those if they bad chosen that as a career path. While its possoble for the best hackers to get these jobs after they are caught, the chances are very low because nobody is going to hire someone who could destroy their organization.
Landing your first job in IT Security can be a long tough journey. It was for me. I understand your frustration. However you are dismissing people who can make this journey easier and misunderstanding their advice.
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Software dev experience will be necessary for Application security engineer kinda roles. But definitely agree with the rest of your comment. In fact, you'll see this sort of elitist mentality when you try to get a entry level software dev role too.
Companies need an extern program....like they do nurses in the medical field
This makes a lot of sense
Yes! There are now more apprenticeships in place in the United States, for the purpose of tapping into previously overlooked talent pools.
I second this!
Considering the size of your company, You can help your industry by creating an entry level/apprenticeship system to close the skills gap. If you just lament on why there is a skills gap it will still not be solved. So my suggestion would be to put your resources to good use and be proactive. Start an apprentice program, invest in your future, give people the skills they need and that you require .In theory if you don't make your field bigger and better , you are failing to further security for the future, which means your failing at security period.
Well....AT&T are losing billions! And unfortunately layoffs are on the way.
Yep another reason why this industry lacks diversity and most of those the industry are old farts lol
So ridiculous and de-motivating to see a bunch of professional jokingly talk like this, I landed in this video only because I'm so frustrated of how expectations are set for an entry level role in Cyber Security. With 2 years experience in network operations and pursuing an internship in SecOps I still ONLY get rejections from all the jobs I apply. I don't just shoot at any job mentioning cyber security, but at least try to match 4-5 skills in that job advertisement and still get declined. Its never been a fair and equal opportunity for freshers and this is why there are genius hackers hacking things and people who are genuinely interested are just being treated as " you are not skilled".
There is more recognition now in the United States of the lack of entry-level positions into "cyber careers," a term which includes both Information Technology and Cybersecurity fields.
You guys are terrible at this! lol There are people interested in changing their career paths, updating their skills and clearly want to enter the field of cyber security. By your own accounts, there are plenty of jobs within cyber security for audits, servers, apps, etc, yet in this video, there is this smug, pretentious, pessimistic tone of impossibility of anyone being able to execute these aspects of cyber security outside of your own. Just tell people the tools they will need before entering the world of cyber security and try not to make the road seem impossible. Challenging, sure but not impossible.
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Thanks for this comment, I’m just about to get started on a Cyber Security Program, this video put me down for a couple of seconds and then I read your comment. This people are terrible.
@@derlicandelario3665 if it helps with anything, just today one of my profesor was speaking about this in class this morning, he said many employers including him are willing to hire someone with no professional experience as long as they proveed to know the programs or tools required for the job, especially main entree level like the one that asked 3-5 years of experience they are willing to overlooked it, he said as long you are not applying for a job that requires 10 plus years of experience one should be fine
The comments make me feel better after watching these two guys!
Boom.
It would also help if people in these higher-level positions reached down to people who just graduated from college or on a helpdesk to help them get practical knowledge of these concepts. It's great to have a certification or a degree, but if nobody is willing to apprentice people just coming into the IT field of work, it's going to get worse. This is specifically true for large companies. Too many of these large companies are not willing to invest in the training and education of their employees, for they're looking at as a cost instead of an integral part of the continuity of business operations.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
This makes a lot of sense, when i started studying Cybersecurity i didn't realize the depth of knowledge you need to have and how many specialized sub-fields were involved. It wasn't until i became my companies unofficial network admin that i realize i don't know anything. I didn't know how to use macOS or Linux, didn't know what Wireshark and etc. You need to be able to at least read JS, Python, HTML, CSS, You absolutely need to know Bash, Powershell and the cmd to even set up sensors. Cybersecurity is very complex
This video explains why there is such a huge gap between expectation versus reality in the cybersecurity space.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
Open minded businesses will hire you asap if you’re good. Big corps, good luck with the HR departments.
* Jump to 5:32 to avoid punching your monitor and listen to some useful tips.
Have an awesome day everyone!
These guys had such a smug and pretentious look 😂. It's as if they didn't want ANYONE working in their field because they think they might be out of a job. And then they wonder why it's so hard to fill a role.
Best comment, thank you.
Thought it was just me thinking that lol
They had gatekeeping vibes 🤦🏽♂️ and I’m studying for Cybersecurity too.
@@StrongestNerd Right? SMDH..
Anyone studying Cyber through Divergence Academey?
IT is full of positions that have unrealistic and unnecessary requirements for positions.
Well, with this type of mindset, no wonder America is getting hit hard by cyber criminals.
Why don't companies teach these skills for students that just finished school?
I won't want this guy as a boss or mentor.
You might be right but if you're hungry to learn and he's what you have to go through to get the experience and understanding to get to where you want in your career then you have no choice but to suck it up. Unless of course you start your own business but you still have to deal with clients, your family, investors, employees and of course the bill collectors. Sometimes its not what you want but what you're willing to go through even if you fail, learn from it.
Why not? What he says is pretty solid. It took me a few years to get my first IT Security job. Juding from this video, if I had him as a mentor and followed his adviicr I would have entered the field much sooner than I did
Sound like bitter old dudes who really are worried about becoming obsolete. I find it funny they all work for a dinosaur company like ATT.
lol!
I hope they will figure out a way to fill in this gap, also because its such an emerging field universities and employers may not know how to fill that bridge for applicants to gain those skills. Maybe, it will become like medicine where you do placements as part of your university degree so by the time you graduate you can get an entry level job
I actually disagree I think one can find entry level but you need to show enthusiasm and some certifications
@Whitney Titus really ? I've been doing hacking and learning about security and stuff . I enjoy it very much but I'm really confused . Some people say entry level security jobs dont exist while some say they do . I have no clue if I should continue doing this . I'm so passionate about it. I'm currently an Information Technology student in uni.
I think what they mean is that cybersecurity roles involve an indepth understanding of networking, scripting, some programming etc. before jumping into a cybersecurity role. So most job require some experience in these fields.
Bruh certification is a thing if u have knowledge do some CTF, bugbouty and show ur shit to ur manager
Which certifications don't require work experience? ISC requires 1 year work experience, TIA I believe is 5 years on a relevant job to qualify.
@@JayTac1 the comptia certs (eg Security+ , Pentest+, Cysa+, Casp). Also CEH, CCNA Security , Cisco Certified Cyberops Associate, for example.
I can appreciate what you are saying.. as I'm graduating with an MS in Cybersecurity this Spring, my peers are NOT ready for the embarrassment they will receive at their first interview. I could see the writing on the wall early on there are many skills that colleges are not teaching and they are doing a disservice.
Their mindset is reflected in these unrealistic, looking-for-unicorn applicants in these job postings.
This is ridiculous.
How can you expect someone who is applying for this job and you’re EXPECTING them to know things of this other job that they have no background nor training in?
That means you’re at least looking for a mid-level applicant but no! They’re talking about entry-level??? Smh. This is crazy.
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
@@christalvsq job creation is not as big of an issue as much as the hiring practices needing to be improved.
We have a surplus of positions in IT. However, the big issues lie in looking for mid-level IT applicant to fill entry level positions with entry level pay.
So does a Cyber Security major with a minor in Net Admin look better or a Net Admin major with Cyber minor when trying to get in the field from college?
Skype Guy: You can't come directly into Cybersecurity you need experience some in development.
What??? Both mindset are very different man!
There are great minds out there man!
Its exactly this kind of thinking and ridiculous expectations that pull people away from Cybersecurity/IT. I am starting a BS in Cybersecurity in a few months after deciding Finance bored me. However, my plan is to study hard and use my free time to learn Python and Web Dev and get an entry level job as a programmer instead of going the I.T route. I cant waste my time doing an I.T helpdesk job and make shit money for years.
how is learning python?
I've heard that help desk may work for 6mo, then move on right away. 1 year max. What have you found out so far? Can you share what you're doing now and what you think about future moves?
@@bill-mckenna I wanna change my major to Cyber Security but what should I expect choosing this
How do I navigate into user education?
There is a huge demand for the cyber field but there really isn't anything to help the demand of people in the field. There is simply to much you have to learn before you jump into the field and most people arent patient enough to try and train someone that is super interested. Having good knowledge in coding, networking, and general IT is A LOT to ask for from someone who is new in the field. You'll end up with a lot of middle aged guys doing the work because they are the only ones with experience.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce. Federal and state governments, as well as larger companies within the United States are doing more now to meet people where they are at.
Is there a link for the mindmap any where?
Its in the video description. Click the show more option to expand.
I think some people do actually jump into a SOC analyst job as a first IT job -- using specific training programs to develop requisite skills.
*EDIT*
** oh, ha -- they did end up mentioning that **
8:30
What is crowside scritping though
in order to secure systems and networks one must first learn how systems and networks work, I think that's what they are trying to say and of course programming knowledge is great for cyber security because it helps in writing scripts and automating tasks using Python/Powershell/Bash. Especially in the US colleges need to come up with better curriculums suited for Security related jobs
Absolutely, if CS doesn't completely depend on programming, but at least you need to understand language, reading codes, writing scripts to which field or aspect you are into Cyber Security
well said. i agree.
Experience is the only thing that matters, the certs are useless without the opportunity
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
Very discouraging video, how can you say there is no entry level cybersecurity job but when asked how much entry level positions are paid? You said $75 to 100.000😀
Lol he is contracting himself….🤣
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
this video isn’t entirely true lol. There are definitely entry level positions in this field….Booz Allen Hamilton just hired a friend of mine that graduated from a BS cyber security program! She has 1 year of help desk support but she obtained her Security+ and AWS cert while she was in school. Don’t let this video discourage you!!!
Thank you, this video threw me off for a few min. Your comment saved me lol 💪🏽
Which AWS cert?
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
These guys have something to prove 😂
If you know what you're doing you can go right into cybersecurity
Can you really
@@cocdezal yup you dont need a degree to get a job in it.
@@coprice94 im going for it then
@@cocdezal do it man we need people in this field keep your head up
@@coprice94 job with just comptia certs?
Colleges and Universities have started teaching pure Cyber-Security courses. Entry-level jobs for these people will be open. I do not have any experience in other job areas, but I have a sec+, a+, net+, linux+, associate degree, and an entry-level job.
whoa.....how did you prepare for all of those? I have no prior experience and finished high school a year ago. I wanted to know whether i should start with Comptia's IT fundamentals + course or A+. Furthermore, how much studying did you have to do for these - especially A+ and Network +......
@@joelalumasa8157 Hey, I stuided 1 week for comptia A+ Core 1, 2 weeks for A+ Core 2, 2 weeks for Net+ and 2 weeks for security+. You can do what I did, but I barely passed these courses. Ten or so wrong answers and I would have wasted money. You can do it at my pace, or you can do one cert a month as most people do.
@@joelalumasa8157 I used Linux for 2 years as my daily driver, just skimmed it.. But study that, as it is one of the harder introductory cert.
I graduated never got a opportunity so im about to start driving trucks
Don't. You'll hate it. I left truck driving to finish my tech certs. There's no money in trucking you will be overworked underpaid and treated like a peasant. It's an even harder industry to break into your first 3 years will be making less than a liveable wage and you will never see your own bed
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there is more recognition at the federal and state level, as well as within private industry, of the need to tap overlooked talent pools, to include individuals who are looking to pivot into a second career.
this is really good
hey guys I know cyber-security is more of a male dominated career but I'm having some issues. I have an associates degree in cyber-security and comptia security+ certified ... but I applied to over 200 jobs and they all keep telling me I need 2 years experience.
I have personal experience but they don't care about this .. they want to see if I have been working with a cybersecurity company or companies for 2 or more years. That's what they consider experience.
So like plumbers and electricians who enter apprenticeship programs and get experience while working with a company... are there such apprenticeships in cyber-security. Not bootcamps but apprenticeship programs ... and if not then how I'm I suppose to get a job within any cybersecurity company then??
We need an answer
It sucks but I think the easiest way is to get a job on the helpdesk. You only need the CompTIA A+ certificate for this. You might even be able to get a helpdesk role with security+ certification instead. 2 years will go by quickly.
Evans_thebest12 were you able to find a job? You might try volunteering for some non profit and then build relationships and get the right recommendation.
Why not intern?
@evans I only give thumbs down b/c there is not a angry face emoji. Vicious cycle, its horse shit.
Agree 💯
More episodes on security knowledge gap
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are several initiatives in place to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce.
Well, a better way imho would be encouraging interested parties to pursue specific knowledge, instead of telling people if they have 0 experience in any tech field to get lost, which is what that “recruiter” could be implying. Seek the knowledge by certification if you don’t have any knowledge and your chances will improve significantly by “ what ever %” of landing the cyber job.
ok so currently i make about 70k at my job. i work at a prison. basically a guard. i used to teach special ed before until i got bored. i have a ba from a well known uni in psychology. high gpa and awards. not a bad looking cv i guess but nothing related to computers. i read the key certs are the following:
1. comptia network+
2. comptia security+
3. comptia cysa+
4. comptia pentest+
5. CEH
6. Cisco CCNA
if i get these certs only....can i land a job making at least 50k? i have a family so i cant go volunteer or intern. im 35. feel stuck :(
BOP fam?
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there is more recognition at the federal and state level, as well as within private industry, of the need to tap overlooked talent pools, to include individuals who are looking to pivot into a second career.
This video pretty much sums up everything that's wrong with the industry. Gatekeeping and this perceived "skills gap" that is severely exacerbated and doesn't actually exist.
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity. If you are in the military, then for sure you should have a way to transition into a civilian cyber career!
no wonder not enough cyber security engineer since there isnt time. Hopefully they lose more money.
A note on the cyber "Universe" as its mapped out. It sounds much like theories of brain "useage;" some say you only use five percent of your brain. Trying to hack your way into the brain with only five percent to work with is a tad lame, since you'll be using one hundred percent of the machine. The rest of the universe doesn't shut down and wait for you to observe it! You can't "know" everything, but you are an active part of "everything," so you need to study that map and see the relationships.
any age limited for cyber security job?
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there is more recognition at the federal and state level, as well as within private industry, of the need to tap overlooked talent pools, to include individuals who are looking to pivot into a second career.
which came first the chicken or the egg, thats how i feel with cyber security field, especially since schools give generic classes and nothing specific. Have a masters degree in cyber security from reputable state school and still can't get a job........ in that field at least, they should train people for an entry level job because as they said in the video the cyber field is huge with many jobs... well than train us in those specific jobs at an entry level.
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
I want to be that SOC analyst that mogesbup
Its true... getting into security takes alot more tham a few certs. They're delivery could of been better, but they're "technical" people which isially have horrible blunt deliveries 😂. Luckily getting the experience they mwntiomed is not hard! u can start a home lab, take inexpensive online courses, participate in hackathons, learn security frameworks (RMF, FISMA, etc) and complete worthwhile certs like the sec+. Don't let these guys discourage any of u not already in the field to enter into it! Stay focused amd keep learning! ome foot in fromt of the other and i assure u thay you'll get a cyber role!
??? side scripting? i didnt cetch what he saide
great video guys very helpful
There are no apprenticeships, so you are going to continue to have shortages.
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are more apprenticeships to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce. The U.S. government considers both Information Technology and Cybersecurity as being on the spectrum of "cyber careers."
@@christalvsq Good to hear.
This is video is spot on.
Why only u
In reality they keep entry level jobs and hire experienced ppl for the same job they y the hell u have to keep them as entry level or grad jobs.This is so stupid
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
That's not true.
What kind of scripting did he mention at 8:36?
Cross-site scripting aka XXS.
An example is a hacker injects malicious software into a vulnerable website and when users visit the site the virus is loaded into their computer, allowing the hacker to gain access to their system.
If you know XXS you can patch the vulnerability to prevent the website from being compromised.
@@MrTibbsLive thanks
Get certificates, apply for jobs. Get entry level job. What stupid thing to say that there aren’t any…
There isn't any unless your Indian now a days.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 im dyin' over here!
What if you are 60 years old ?
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there is more recognition at the federal and state level, as well as within private industry, of the need to tap overlooked talent pools, to include individuals who are looking to pivot into a second or third career later in life!
I expected nothing less from a large corporation like AT&T. These guys are in a bubble.
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity. If you are in the military, then for sure you should have a way to transition into a civilian cyber career!
I am a comp sci undergraduate and i already know most security concepts. I have used wireshark, tshark, tcpdump, nmap, nessus and countless other security tools. Will i have any chance of getting a cybersecurity job straight outta my university?
@Hexadecimal U wish bruv. I will not lie though. I have not tried ctf's yet but I have owned kioptrix, metasploitable and i am an active hackthebox user. I am also proficient in java, c++, python and shell scripting. Also, I'm just getting started.
@Hexadecimal let's test you then.this is a java question. Tell me a way to check if an object belongs to a particular class such that it returns the value without considering the superclass and checks only and only for that particular class.
@Hexadecimal just say u don't know shit brother. And I'll be honest i don't know the answer for your question. But i think u said you've done above and beyond😂😂😂 shit man u really a dumbass
@@niteshbaral2694 just apply and tries your luck.
@Hexadecimal what do you work in? STG if you say geek squad....
Thank God i discovered this video
You have to start at the bottom, and learn, cyber security will take you a couple of years.
I feel bad for anyone has these guys as their boss
This is a bad video for cyber security. Look for David Bombal, network chuck, or Josh Hammond. For a better understanding of cyber security.
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
You’re not driving a car, you’re driving a sedan! 😑
Companies within the United States--other than the one in the video--are creating entry-level pathways into the fields of Information Technology and Cybersecurity.
Well ain’t this just a big fuck you to all the people entering the field.
Yes, advice from a company that'll bill you for services you didn't receive. Elitist mentality.
There are entry level jobs in IT. They’re called internships.
@Rick Sanchez no its not lol. IT is a general broad term. cyber security is a specialization
An internship is not an entry level job lol
If you are in the United States, as of 2022 there are more apprenticeships to tap previously overlooked talent pools in order to close the gap in hiring with respect to the U.S. cyber workforce. The U.S. government considers both Information Technology and Cybersecurity as being on the spectrum of "cyber careers."
A lot of unprofessional moments in this video that come with contradictions. A bit disappointing from AT&T, I expect better.
I don't blame these guys, I cannot imagine how many people apply for these roles with no experience and end up just wasting the interviewers time. If you're doing an internship then fair game.
Pretentious.
Smuggish attitudes 🙄😒
Boomers 🙄