You did an amazing job with this game. The art, the gameplay, it is all amazing. When the demons target you, you know you are on the right track. I currently am dealing with a number of anti-Christians in another hobby's social media. I would love to see more angel minis, more map tiles, and maybe even more mats! You are truly doing something amazing, keep it up! The hateful fiend was crazy when I first started playing haha! Found that to be my immediate nemesis. Thank you for that clarification on how the health/damage dial works!
As a Christian I’m excited about this. My only ask is if you can add male and female angels of other ethnicities so that everyone can feel included in the body of Christ and kingdom of heaven
It's already done! Check this image out of our angels for a quick example: boardgamegeek.com/image/7921032/deliverance I also wrote an explainer about why our angels look the way they do here if you'd like to dive deeper: playdeliverance.com/what-do-angels-look-like/
Hi Andrew! Thanks so much for the love and care for both Deliverance and us! Me and my group, but especially me, are super into edge cases having answers so I am STOKED! Make the rulebook twice as long with a page of clarifications for each angel's actions/talents, every prayer card, etc. Our biggest question(s) revolved around the interplay of the wording for action, skill, and talent. Eventually we used the angel who has talents that refer to themselves as skills, but I think it's worth clarifying in general. I'd also love a side by side compare/contrast of the differences between skirmish and campaign modes to ease my memory when jumping into a game. Overall, we are awed by the balancing of the game and it's difficulty, the variety of play and replayability, and the limited need for corrections on a first edition (especially in your first game). Grace and peace to all of you, looking forward to backing you again soon!
Thank you for your suggestions! It was absolutely a labor of love. The balancing skill I have was developed over many years of breaking games for my advantage lol :D
@@saiyanroyalty229 We'll definitely touch on his Level 2 talents as well as some advice on how to get the greatest use out of his Deadened Nerves skill! There are a few damage sources that players ask about how they interact with Deadened Nerves (Excess Darkness damage, damage divided how players choose, etc) that could use some clarifying too. Any other ideas?
Love the game and appreciate your honesty in reflecting back on the game's release! Looking forward to the expansions!! To add my two cents, coming from Star Wars X-Wing and Legion, I like having online rule resources for games. Having a physical rulebook for basic stuff is nice, but I will usually go online for harder questions. Legion has a very easy-to-use fan made resource called Legion Quick Guide that I wish more games had.
You hit on what I think there's room for improvement on in the video already, but I'd sum it up simply as Rules Language Precision. Who's making a Test when, the oddness of light and shadow themselves being a boon/affliction vs bestowing a shining/shadowed status to a token standing on them, the demons' unique teleport-y behavior of falling back vs surrounding, etc. All of these are already discussions I've participated in or have seen in the Discord, so I don't think anything I have is particularly revelatory. I do think though, that for an initial offering, Deliverance is far better than almost anything else I've seen. It's already something special and I think the experience, iteration, and polish you bring going forward is going to make for something truly noteworthy. Kudos, my friend! Looking forward especially to Julia Roberts' Pretty Woman sneaking into a module at some point :)
Thank you for this -- I agree some clarification will really benefit people. We have come up with a concept called "the narrator" which we are using as the source of damage or tests, and this helps really clarify who is doing what. I'll use a few examples for the demon fallback/surround rules to patch that up as well.
Feedback: From my opinion, I think that the Intercessor as a solo variant could be tweaked. There’s a part of me that thinks that it should be considered “True Solo” with the standpoint of how many demons are spawned at the beginning of the game. As the Intercessor currently stands, I think it is quite underpowered-that your almost incentivized to simply play “two-handed” with two Angels. In my opinion, the Intercessor and its abilities need to be either buffed as the game currently stands or changed in a way that makes “true solo” more viable. An example could be leaving the Intercessor’s abilities as they are, spawning the same number of enemies and tiles, but ultimately reducing the number of darkness cards played to one for the number of players in the game (i.e one).
This is a great idea -- I do also think some of the Intercessor's skills are a bit underpowered. In particular, the "weakened pray action" they use is probably the biggest lack of resources. In the next expansion, and in the "Update Pack" for original backers, we will probably include a re-printed Intercessor with a buffed Pray action. Also, we're going to allow true-solo players to spend Intercessor actions for Prayer cards + play Prayer cards as free actions on the Intercessor turn as well.
My wife and I love deliverance and eagerly await the expansion! Please make acrylic/bakelite tokens, and ideally a standee organizer (Magical Friends and How to Summon Them did a great job with theirs, it’s cardboard with standee sized slots cut in it, the standees go in upside down).
Still the best board game I’ve ever played but I’m no expert. Great community and great fun. I only wish I had more time to play it! I think everything you highlighted here and your continued dedication to the project is more than anyone could reasonably ask for. Thanks for sharing!
Too funny that you brought up Sardius and mission 4. That's exactly what my friends an I did on that mission. I happen to have been playing Sardius. This is easily my favorite game, and I cannot wait to see what is coming.
I love the game it's definitely one of my favorite games in my collection. As far as changes for next time, yeah there definitely needs to be an "easy mode" for solo play. I think it's fine for people who know the game but for newer players it can definitely come off as very underpowered compared to a 2 angel game. I also think there should have been scenarios that come with the game to spice up the skirmish mode. I think it would be awesome if you could somehow get the game on Board Game Arena. Tabletop Simulator is fine as a way to test things out. However, for actual play BGA is a far superior experience plus the fact that you can do asynchronous play that is a game changer.
Board Game Arena, you say? Maybe I will :) I responded to "true solo" play in another comment, but I think you'll appreciate reading it, so I'll repost here: I do think some of the Intercessor's base character skills are a bit underpowered. In particular, the "weakened pray action" they use is probably the biggest lack of resources. In the next expansion, and in the "Update Pack" for original backers, we will probably include a re-printed Intercessor with a buffed Pray action. Also, we're going to allow true-solo players to spend Intercessor actions for Prayer cards + play Prayer cards as free actions on the Intercessor turn as well.
Yeah if Deliverance gets on Board Game Arena I will be playing 10 asynchronous games at one time 😂😂😂😂 Love the solo update idea! Buffed prayer action would definitely help!
Very cool game. Pairs well with a book I read called The Unseen realm by Dr Michael Heiser. Hope to be able to get the acrylic standies and coin/tokens soon.
Absolutely -- Heiser would have loved this game! He'll have to play Heaven's version now, which I'm sure comes with even cooler iterations of things! Acrylic Standees and Metal Tokens are coming back when we launch our next KS in September!
@@l87deathtron I don't want to spoil anything, but we've got a few things that get pretty close! Play 2 missions into the campaign and you'll see what I mean!
It is my pleasure. I thought I'd come up for air on the other side barely surviving, but actually, a ton of fans are lifting me up and helping me carry the torch! I don't want to minimize how God has been the central source of strength with my analogy, but God absolutely sent every single person that stands behind me, both Christian and non-Christian, which has been really wonderful to experience that level of support for what we're doing!
We'll definitely touch on his Level 2 talents as well as some advice on how to get the greatest use out of his Deadened Nerves skill! There are a few damage sources that players ask about how they interact with Deadened Nerves (Excess Darkness damage, damage divided how players choose, etc) that could use some clarifying too. Any other ideas?
@@playdeliverance My only other thought is for the campaign. While the spoiler was fun the first go around, for future plays I just wish I didn't have to go to a smaller book and in hindsight I just wish the last missions were on 2 extra pages.
@@saiyanroyalty229 Duly noted -- It would decrease the cost of the game if we pulled the secret campaign book into the regular book, so this is a suggestion I am taking very seriously!
You did an amazing job with this game. The art, the gameplay, it is all amazing. When the demons target you, you know you are on the right track. I currently am dealing with a number of anti-Christians in another hobby's social media. I would love to see more angel minis, more map tiles, and maybe even more mats! You are truly doing something amazing, keep it up!
The hateful fiend was crazy when I first started playing haha! Found that to be my immediate nemesis.
Thank you for that clarification on how the health/damage dial works!
My pleasure!
As a Christian I’m excited about this. My only ask is if you can add male and female angels of other ethnicities so that everyone can feel included in the body of Christ and kingdom of heaven
It's already done! Check this image out of our angels for a quick example: boardgamegeek.com/image/7921032/deliverance
I also wrote an explainer about why our angels look the way they do here if you'd like to dive deeper: playdeliverance.com/what-do-angels-look-like/
Hi Andrew! Thanks so much for the love and care for both Deliverance and us!
Me and my group, but especially me, are super into edge cases having answers so I am STOKED! Make the rulebook twice as long with a page of clarifications for each angel's actions/talents, every prayer card, etc.
Our biggest question(s) revolved around the interplay of the wording for action, skill, and talent. Eventually we used the angel who has talents that refer to themselves as skills, but I think it's worth clarifying in general.
I'd also love a side by side compare/contrast of the differences between skirmish and campaign modes to ease my memory when jumping into a game.
Overall, we are awed by the balancing of the game and it's difficulty, the variety of play and replayability, and the limited need for corrections on a first edition (especially in your first game).
Grace and peace to all of you, looking forward to backing you again soon!
I feel like Taolu needs clarification to this day
Thank you for your suggestions! It was absolutely a labor of love. The balancing skill I have was developed over many years of breaking games for my advantage lol :D
@@saiyanroyalty229 We'll definitely touch on his Level 2 talents as well as some advice on how to get the greatest use out of his Deadened Nerves skill! There are a few damage sources that players ask about how they interact with Deadened Nerves (Excess Darkness damage, damage divided how players choose, etc) that could use some clarifying too. Any other ideas?
Love the game and appreciate your honesty in reflecting back on the game's release! Looking forward to the expansions!! To add my two cents, coming from Star Wars X-Wing and Legion, I like having online rule resources for games. Having a physical rulebook for basic stuff is nice, but I will usually go online for harder questions. Legion has a very easy-to-use fan made resource called Legion Quick Guide that I wish more games had.
Good idea -- I enjoy online resources like RulePop which could be a great digital rulebook with clarifications on cards for Deliverance!
You hit on what I think there's room for improvement on in the video already, but I'd sum it up simply as Rules Language Precision. Who's making a Test when, the oddness of light and shadow themselves being a boon/affliction vs bestowing a shining/shadowed status to a token standing on them, the demons' unique teleport-y behavior of falling back vs surrounding, etc. All of these are already discussions I've participated in or have seen in the Discord, so I don't think anything I have is particularly revelatory.
I do think though, that for an initial offering, Deliverance is far better than almost anything else I've seen. It's already something special and I think the experience, iteration, and polish you bring going forward is going to make for something truly noteworthy. Kudos, my friend! Looking forward especially to Julia Roberts' Pretty Woman sneaking into a module at some point :)
Thank you for this -- I agree some clarification will really benefit people. We have come up with a concept called "the narrator" which we are using as the source of damage or tests, and this helps really clarify who is doing what. I'll use a few examples for the demon fallback/surround rules to patch that up as well.
Feedback: From my opinion, I think that the Intercessor as a solo variant could be tweaked. There’s a part of me that thinks that it should be considered “True Solo” with the standpoint of how many demons are spawned at the beginning of the game. As the Intercessor currently stands, I think it is quite underpowered-that your almost incentivized to simply play “two-handed” with two Angels. In my opinion, the Intercessor and its abilities need to be either buffed as the game currently stands or changed in a way that makes “true solo” more viable. An example could be leaving the Intercessor’s abilities as they are, spawning the same number of enemies and tiles, but ultimately reducing the number of darkness cards played to one for the number of players in the game (i.e one).
This is a great idea -- I do also think some of the Intercessor's skills are a bit underpowered. In particular, the "weakened pray action" they use is probably the biggest lack of resources.
In the next expansion, and in the "Update Pack" for original backers, we will probably include a re-printed Intercessor with a buffed Pray action. Also, we're going to allow true-solo players to spend Intercessor actions for Prayer cards + play Prayer cards as free actions on the Intercessor turn as well.
My wife and I love deliverance and eagerly await the expansion! Please make acrylic/bakelite tokens, and ideally a standee organizer (Magical Friends and How to Summon Them did a great job with theirs, it’s cardboard with standee sized slots cut in it, the standees go in upside down).
This is a fantastic idea! I'd love a great storage solution for the Acrylic Standees, too!
Still the best board game I’ve ever played but I’m no expert. Great community and great fun. I only wish I had more time to play it! I think everything you highlighted here and your continued dedication to the project is more than anyone could reasonably ask for. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you! I really appreciate you saying that :D
Too funny that you brought up Sardius and mission 4. That's exactly what my friends an I did on that mission. I happen to have been playing Sardius. This is easily my favorite game, and I cannot wait to see what is coming.
Haha that's so funny. I'm going to reference this somehow in a future mission. This is so clever lol :D
I love the game it's definitely one of my favorite games in my collection.
As far as changes for next time, yeah there definitely needs to be an "easy mode" for solo play. I think it's fine for people who know the game but for newer players it can definitely come off as very underpowered compared to a 2 angel game. I also think there should have been scenarios that come with the game to spice up the skirmish mode.
I think it would be awesome if you could somehow get the game on Board Game Arena. Tabletop Simulator is fine as a way to test things out. However, for actual play BGA is a far superior experience plus the fact that you can do asynchronous play that is a game changer.
Board Game Arena, you say? Maybe I will :)
I responded to "true solo" play in another comment, but I think you'll appreciate reading it, so I'll repost here:
I do think some of the Intercessor's base character skills are a bit underpowered. In particular, the "weakened pray action" they use is probably the biggest lack of resources.
In the next expansion, and in the "Update Pack" for original backers, we will probably include a re-printed Intercessor with a buffed Pray action. Also, we're going to allow true-solo players to spend Intercessor actions for Prayer cards + play Prayer cards as free actions on the Intercessor turn as well.
Yeah if Deliverance gets on Board Game Arena I will be playing 10 asynchronous games at one time 😂😂😂😂
Love the solo update idea! Buffed prayer action would definitely help!
@@rooseveltcooper I don't want to spoil it, but I take what you say *very* seriously! My wife is my #1 fan, but you're not far behind that I think! 😆
Very cool game. Pairs well with a book I read called The Unseen realm by Dr Michael Heiser. Hope to be able to get the acrylic standies and coin/tokens soon.
Absolutely -- Heiser would have loved this game! He'll have to play Heaven's version now, which I'm sure comes with even cooler iterations of things!
Acrylic Standees and Metal Tokens are coming back when we launch our next KS in September!
@playdeliverance Will we possibly see the Bulls of Bashan as a future enemy?
@@l87deathtron I don't want to spoil anything, but we've got a few things that get pretty close! Play 2 missions into the campaign and you'll see what I mean!
Thank you for making this game and enduring through the chaos.
It is my pleasure. I thought I'd come up for air on the other side barely surviving, but actually, a ton of fans are lifting me up and helping me carry the torch! I don't want to minimize how God has been the central source of strength with my analogy, but God absolutely sent every single person that stands behind me, both Christian and non-Christian, which has been really wonderful to experience that level of support for what we're doing!
The chaos is where we can draw closest to him. Great testimony.@@playdeliverance
@@yardene3426 Thank you! 🙏
Taolu needs his own appendix section
We'll definitely touch on his Level 2 talents as well as some advice on how to get the greatest use out of his Deadened Nerves skill! There are a few damage sources that players ask about how they interact with Deadened Nerves (Excess Darkness damage, damage divided how players choose, etc) that could use some clarifying too. Any other ideas?
@@playdeliverance My only other thought is for the campaign. While the spoiler was fun the first go around, for future plays I just wish I didn't have to go to a smaller book and in hindsight I just wish the last missions were on 2 extra pages.
@@saiyanroyalty229 Duly noted -- It would decrease the cost of the game if we pulled the secret campaign book into the regular book, so this is a suggestion I am taking very seriously!
You were intimidated to have a large rule book?
Yes lol -- Maybe I should have been less concerned about this in the end, but I did what I could to keep it brief!