"it's safe to assume the victim will try to kill you"-- it is SO important that this truth is taught; so often the only actual experience in air sharing are the relaxed octo practice exchanges in confined water, even though OOA emergency debriefs almost universally show the victims lizard brain is going to grab the first working reg they see (yours). It's the most compelling argument for primary donate or, falling that, practicing using your own octo when you're tangled up with the other person with both short hoses on the same side.
I couldn't agree more! Finally a channel with true value, bs-free approach, straight to the point. Honestly, the best scuba channel out there! And based on the info on the website, they are doing personalised trainings and workshops! Must be awesome!!
I completely agree with the previous comments regarding the quality of the information you always provide and the fabulous demonstration of the techniques in each video. Not only do I continue to learn something new with practically every video, but often, as was the case here, you presented things I didn’t know that I didn’t know and probably wouldn’t have realized on my own. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Top top video as always. I think is also the only video I have seen where the out of gas diver is panicking. Is all fair and well when you train and everyone is calm and relaxed. A whole different world when one is really out of gas …
This was a such a great topic to make a video on. As usual, stellar video quality, clarity of diver demonstrations, information presented, and narration.
Such a great video again! I was looking for videos about this topic, but couldn't really find anything that would make sense, and than I got the notification for your premiere 🤩 thank you for the work you put into making these! Greatly appreciated!!!
I just wanted to say thank you. I just found your account a few days ago, your videos are the best scuba diving videos I have seen in a long time. There is something to learn in each of them making you a better and saver diver then anyone could become just by normal training. Just keep going guys and you will rocket to the top of the UA-cam diving community.
A work of art. Beautiful presentation and excellent message! I really like the fact that you emphasise the importance of self defence it's really not talked about enough
Honestly amazing job you did. I love your videos... So good prepared, clear and easy to understand hope I can explain as nearly good as you are to my students.😂
The "breathe and relax" hand signal/motion may be helpful after you get your reg in their mouth. They may need a moment to catch their breath and (situation allowing) you're telling them to go ahead and do that - and this may help them manage/stop their panic. But that's my 2 cents, not my exact training. I've offered my long hose once (they were very low and were looking concerned) but I've not had to do a real gas share outside training yet.
Absolutely top quality content, great work. One question though, and I did watch your "Essential Scuba Hand Signals" video recently and I'm sure that wasnt coverd. What is the meaning of the pinky at 5:10? Level up - 6 - pinky - 1?
Thank you. We use a 210 cm hose, and if you have your kit set up correctly, you should have no problem with your waist strap retaining. Simply tuck it in. If you are using a canister light, that's also a great option to route under.
Great video, as always! Excellent video quality and explanation🔥 could you make a video about how to use a depth gauge while using a computer during a dive? I’m not talking necessarily about tech diving
I have a question In recreational diving (padi and cmas) they teach us to use our regulator to bread and when our body need air to give them the octopus ( the yellow regulator) The question is why do you give your regulator( the long one ) the your body instead of start breading from the short one and if your body need air to give him the long one without taking off yours ?
Simple. The reason you share the regulator you are breathing from is because an out-of-gas, panicking diver will instinctively go for the one the donor is using. It's a survival instinct. Whatever the so-called recreational agencies teach is lazy and unrealistic.
Thank you, it was very informative. I'm still owd, but already have my first 4 dives with my new long hose. For the octopus, i try to go with a 110° angle joint routed under my arm pit, with a necklace. This is a good configuration, or i should route as seen in this video?
Thanks for your comment. That's unfortunately not the right way to configure it for a good few reasons. Luckily, our next video release is delving into the details of building your regulators so great timing :) we are aiming to release it by early next week so I suggest you to wait for that and then adjust yours.
Thank you for the reply. I will watch for sure. I never learned about this, just started to try things out. I will try the other way next weekend, what is the recommended short hose length for it? Should i drop off the angle joint too? Thank you.
I recently had my apeks reg serviced and the shop convinced me that my spare secondary need replacing and he sold me on the Egress low profile. This was before I discovered the long hose configuration. Did I just waste $200 on a reg that would not work as the necklace reg in this configuration? The odd degree of the mouthpiece to the hose attachment worries me. It is still config in the standard open water hose configuration at this time.
"no diving agency has ever restricted its use" is incorrect. BSAC is restricting its use. You have to be Sports Diver which basically translates to Rescue Diver with PADI.
we meant a governing body such as WRSTC, EUF, CMAS... not a certifying agency such as PADI , SSI, BSAC as they all do whatever they please within the framework of international standards. (which isn't restricting the use of this configuration)
@@flowstatedivers well, BSAC is technically the UK national governing body, but I know what you mean. It's a bit of a cop-out for an answer though. The WRSTC do not seem to have any standards statements for trimix or cave, meaning they are fair game for anyone who just got qualified? Your CMAS 100m ticket can be done once you have your normoxic ticket, which needs adv nitrox, which needs nitrox, which you can do as a 1-star diver ... so no 2-stars required? I mean, these governing bodies at that level have member organization and they rely on these member organizations to put restrictions in place. Anything else barely goes beyond ISO standards and how the training for the ISO standards is supposed to be achieved.
@tobiashartung856 what is your point exactly? I'm wondering what would be the reason to restrict long hose use on any level, and also what cave and trimix diving has to do with this video, or the long hose configuration in open water?
@@Babmajom88 My point is that the use of primary donate is not "unrestricted" by all "diving agencies" as claimed in the video. The come back saying that they didn't mean it this way and only "governing bodies" is a moot point because they do not restrict many other things like cave or trimix and nobody in their right mind would make a statement "no diving agency has ever restricted cave diving" or "no diving agency has ever restricted trimix diving". As to why BSAC restricts primary donate, this is to do with training and safety. Below a certain level you want to stick with what was trained as people will invariably fall back to trained behavior. This is what BSAC has seen from many years of incident analyses. So, since secondary take is being taught at introductory level, secondary take should be practiced. They only start allowing for a change in practice when people have the experience to deal with it. This point is placed at Sports Diver level as it is prerequisite for any twinset, sidemount, or technical training.
"it's safe to assume the victim will try to kill you"-- it is SO important that this truth is taught; so often the only actual experience in air sharing are the relaxed octo practice exchanges in confined water, even though OOA emergency debriefs almost universally show the victims lizard brain is going to grab the first working reg they see (yours). It's the most compelling argument for primary donate or, falling that, practicing using your own octo when you're tangled up with the other person with both short hoses on the same side.
Bravo Bravo Bravo !! You guys kicking the ass of the bit*hed out dive industry with every single video being a true testament on its own.
I couldn't agree more! Finally a channel with true value, bs-free approach, straight to the point. Honestly, the best scuba channel out there! And based on the info on the website, they are doing personalised trainings and workshops! Must be awesome!!
Thanks!
The best dive videos on the net without equal
thank you, much appreciated
@@flowstatedivers seconding this. exceptional quality both content and delivery, really enjoying them trully. Keep up good work!!!!
I completely agree with the previous comments regarding the quality of the information you always provide and the fabulous demonstration of the techniques in each video. Not only do I continue to learn something new with practically every video, but often, as was the case here, you presented things I didn’t know that I didn’t know and probably wouldn’t have realized on my own. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Thanks for your support !
Top top video as always. I think is also the only video I have seen where the out of gas diver is panicking. Is all fair and well when you train and everyone is calm and relaxed. A whole different world when one is really out of gas …
Thanks!
This was a such a great topic to make a video on. As usual, stellar video quality, clarity of diver demonstrations, information presented, and narration.
Thanks and we are Glad you enjoyed it!
Simply the best videos. Clear, succinct, factual, nonopinionated. Kudos to FlowState Divers, and thank you.
Such a great video again! I was looking for videos about this topic, but couldn't really find anything that would make sense, and than I got the notification for your premiere 🤩 thank you for the work you put into making these! Greatly appreciated!!!
Glad it was helpful!
I just wanted to say thank you. I just found your account a few days ago, your videos are the best scuba diving videos I have seen in a long time. There is something to learn in each of them making you a better and saver diver then anyone could become just by normal training. Just keep going guys and you will rocket to the top of the UA-cam diving community.
Thanks very much for your kind words! We are very glad that you like our stuff :)
A work of art. Beautiful presentation and excellent message! I really like the fact that you emphasise the importance of self defence it's really not talked about enough
Thank you so much!
Honestly amazing job you did. I love your videos... So good prepared, clear and easy to understand hope I can explain as nearly good as you are to my students.😂
amazing video as all previous. best diving channel I have seen on YT in both content and delivery.
Wow, thanks!
The "breathe and relax" hand signal/motion may be helpful after you get your reg in their mouth. They may need a moment to catch their breath and (situation allowing) you're telling them to go ahead and do that - and this may help them manage/stop their panic.
But that's my 2 cents, not my exact training.
I've offered my long hose once (they were very low and were looking concerned) but I've not had to do a real gas share outside training yet.
Really nice demonstration!
Superb video!
Thank you
Absolutely top quality content, great work.
One question though, and I did watch your "Essential Scuba Hand Signals" video recently and I'm sure that wasnt coverd.
What is the meaning of the pinky at 5:10? Level up - 6 - pinky - 1?
Deco stop.
So ascend to 6 metres. Hold the stop for 1 minute.
Greg is right. The pinky signifies the stop time.
Very nice video, as ususal, could you share the lenght of your hoses and how you secure the long hose at your waist strap please?
Thank you. We use a 210 cm hose, and if you have your kit set up correctly, you should have no problem with your waist strap retaining. Simply tuck it in. If you are using a canister light, that's also a great option to route under.
Great video, as always! Excellent video quality and explanation🔥 could you make a video about how to use a depth gauge while using a computer during a dive? I’m not talking necessarily about tech diving
Thank you and Great suggestion. We have added it to our shortlist :)
@@flowstatedivers great!!!❤️❤️ Looking forward😊😊
I have a question
In recreational diving (padi and cmas) they teach us to use our regulator to bread and when our body need air to give them the octopus ( the yellow regulator)
The question is why do you give your regulator( the long one ) the your body instead of start breading from the short one and if your body need air to give him the long one without taking off yours ?
I have seen the GUE do the same of what you have shown in the video but I didn’t know why
Simple. The reason you share the regulator you are breathing from is because an out-of-gas, panicking diver will instinctively go for the one the donor is using. It's a survival instinct. Whatever the so-called recreational agencies teach is lazy and unrealistic.
Thank you, it was very informative. I'm still owd, but already have my first 4 dives with my new long hose. For the octopus, i try to go with a 110° angle joint routed under my arm pit, with a necklace. This is a good configuration, or i should route as seen in this video?
Thanks for your comment. That's unfortunately not the right way to configure it for a good few reasons. Luckily, our next video release is delving into the details of building your regulators so great timing :) we are aiming to release it by early next week so I suggest you to wait for that and then adjust yours.
Thank you for the reply. I will watch for sure. I never learned about this, just started to try things out. I will try the other way next weekend, what is the recommended short hose length for it? Should i drop off the angle joint too? Thank you.
I recently had my apeks reg serviced and the shop convinced me that my spare secondary need replacing and he sold me on the Egress low profile. This was before I discovered the long hose configuration. Did I just waste $200 on a reg that would not work as the necklace reg in this configuration? The odd degree of the mouthpiece to the hose attachment worries me. It is still config in the standard open water hose configuration at this time.
yup, that was a complete waste of money. The egress is an utterly useless piece of kit
sell it now and get a proper second stage. Any traditional design can be configured in a long hose setup except these weird ones such as the egress
Yea, that’s what I thought.
Thanks guys
@@flowstatedivers a pity Aqualung keeps slowly but suerly destroying Apeks brand with this Mkt BS
yeaaaaaaay New video :D
"no diving agency has ever restricted its use" is incorrect. BSAC is restricting its use. You have to be Sports Diver which basically translates to Rescue Diver with PADI.
BSAC is a sect of self-proclaimed instructors and tea drinkers with an average age of 70, sure they restricting it.
we meant a governing body such as WRSTC, EUF, CMAS... not a certifying agency such as PADI , SSI, BSAC as they all do whatever they please within the framework of international standards. (which isn't restricting the use of this configuration)
@@flowstatedivers well, BSAC is technically the UK national governing body, but I know what you mean. It's a bit of a cop-out for an answer though. The WRSTC do not seem to have any standards statements for trimix or cave, meaning they are fair game for anyone who just got qualified? Your CMAS 100m ticket can be done once you have your normoxic ticket, which needs adv nitrox, which needs nitrox, which you can do as a 1-star diver ... so no 2-stars required? I mean, these governing bodies at that level have member organization and they rely on these member organizations to put restrictions in place. Anything else barely goes beyond ISO standards and how the training for the ISO standards is supposed to be achieved.
@tobiashartung856 what is your point exactly? I'm wondering what would be the reason to restrict long hose use on any level, and also what cave and trimix diving has to do with this video, or the long hose configuration in open water?
@@Babmajom88 My point is that the use of primary donate is not "unrestricted" by all "diving agencies" as claimed in the video. The come back saying that they didn't mean it this way and only "governing bodies" is a moot point because they do not restrict many other things like cave or trimix and nobody in their right mind would make a statement "no diving agency has ever restricted cave diving" or "no diving agency has ever restricted trimix diving".
As to why BSAC restricts primary donate, this is to do with training and safety. Below a certain level you want to stick with what was trained as people will invariably fall back to trained behavior. This is what BSAC has seen from many years of incident analyses. So, since secondary take is being taught at introductory level, secondary take should be practiced. They only start allowing for a change in practice when people have the experience to deal with it. This point is placed at Sports Diver level as it is prerequisite for any twinset, sidemount, or technical training.
Learn diving. You can only share the yellow cable. very much dangeour