I remember reading a forum post he made about this AGES ago! (He was arguing with a whole bunch of naysayers.) I'm SO stoked he actually brought this into production. I'm definitely ordering one.
I always find it funny how the people who don't do shit, come up with so many reasons that you shouldn't do shit. Looks like he's getting the last laugh. Meanwhile, I bet those naysayers are on some new forum somewhere doing the exact same shit. lol
@@bobmarley2140 just a bleeder valve this on the other hand is programmable and the results are easily duplicated, a lot less time wasted calibrating for the track and consistency
BANG SHIFT BILLY!!!!!! I absolutely love his work. Genius solution. No weights, just an electric valve that you can numerically control. Absolutely love it and I will have one on my race car if I need it or not
Got one of Bills inventions here down under ready to help get my skyline off the line. Super stoked with the final product. Been following it for ages through the indiegogo.
Holly crap this invention is genius!!! What a really smart idea!!! I hope this guys company absolutely takes off!! The street racers should gobble this up
That’s definitely a great idea! Thanks for sharing and I’ve been loving the content that you and your daughter have been making together. It’s really awesome 👍
This genuinely seems brilliant. I'm looking forward to seeing how this works out at the track. Awesome innovation. Thanks for bringing this to light PFI. Pure F**king Innovation
Not to take anyone away from getting this product as of now, but it seems that there are still areas that can be refined, like using hydraulic pressure to accurately measure the slave cylinder actuation instead of relying on switches and time delays (because setting distances would tweak it out of whack when the clutch is getting worn out but the feel, and therefore pressure on the clutch would be fairly constant) and you can step or taper off the pressure through PWM duty cycle or linear voltage on the hydraulic valve for even more! Hope that input would help to make a better product, or better yet have anyone who knows someone who can do PIC or AVR programming and make some driver circuits for the hydraulic valve and translate the pressure sensor to do the same and actually talk to the ECU through I2C or CAN when possible (say, for traction control) so you would not put any more RF signals out in the air and make it all tucked away...and it will be open sourced so no big company could ever take it away from anyone
Great input. From what we have seen a hydraulic clutch in relation to wear and pedal position does not change as the disc wears, the great part about them actually. The other pieces are great ideas worth exploring, thanks!
@@thebangshiftbilly1653 That's the good part. The slave cylinder however, just as with hydraulic brake calipers, would move outward as the pads wear and get thin. That can change the distances because of the pressure plate and the "lever ratio" of the pressure plate fingers would also be affecting actual clutch release and bite distances as the clutch discs wear down. Might be around 1/16ths of an inch or one millimeter and change or even less and can be disregarded but hey...nothing is perfect and striving to get there is way better! That very tiny bit of distance might make a difference in fine tuning...hope you'd experiment with a pressure-based system and see if it's worth it. Good luck!
That’s very cool! I’m excited to see someone record the R & D process for this on a 800-1200 hp Civic FWD/AWD and post the results. The amount of engineering and fabrication to make that into a reality must have been crazy!
You n boosted boys have my heart from the U.P. I need your guys patrion, I'll keep living vicariously through yous and them I don't have the money because I'm building and breaking everything. I love you're videos man. I literally cry seeing you build with your family. I'm probably going to be the only Dyno in the 906 or 715. It's just a inertia Dyno for bikes and quads. I'm waiting on a speedurino sheild. I should have the cash to build the roller on Monday. I'm doing this by myself. Everyone of my friends backed out. I just lost my dad last year so I'm raw dogging this. It's where my heart and goals are. Keep this channel going. It keeps me going and learning.
I see now ..it allows the clutch to slip for a second or two before it fully engaged to keep the clutch amd trans from hitting so hard off the line. Thats bad ass
Hell yeah Brent love this type of video you're just out there to show us all what you love and what you're passionate about Nothing to do with money even though we all know you kinda need it right now, that's why Brent will go down in the history books! Big love from England dude!
Thanks for the video Brent. Really enjoyed the interview format of it. His explanation was so interesting and it was cool to see the evolution of his idea.
Wow this is just awesome I love to see this people pushing the envelope on this in the industry for us drag racing motor heads wat a amazing invention sooo rad!
It’s cool that it is controlled via smartphone app but when I’m already tuning my vehicle with a computer it would be nice to have a can bus hookup so it can be integrated into the engine/trans control unit.. I see holly or some other big manufacturers trying to buy the patent to this product. Awesome USA made go fast part!
@@BrightEyes8513 yeah see this is the part he tried to sneak in. Subscribed? For a clutch slipper? C'mon... doing too much. You dont even subscribe for a draggy.
Wow pretty afficent contraption hes got there move over slipper clutch there's a new Sheriff in town,and were are yall im looking out the window there behind the guy and looks like your in the mountains lol
nice! I'm in Colorado right now for the first time. beautiful state! Also I've been coincidentally shopping for a slipper valve setup for my civic haha
That's a freaking rad idea bruh it would be great for a racecar, street car, and especially for a drag and drive car cause you could set it up for whatever road/ track condition I need one of those
It's perfect for that because you would need a different setting on street tires than you would slicks or drag radials. Drag Radials is the next evolution of FWD drag racing.
I have heard rumblings about this for a while now, and it is kind of brilliant and simple. I think the one factor keeping me away is the 'subscription' mentality of the app. That is simply a bridge too far for me, I do not want to pay a subscription for years to have a clutch that works. That one small piece of marketing ultimately keeps me out. Charge a one time fee, make it part of the product price. It's like paying Holley or AEM or anyone for updates or revisions or bug fixes.
I couldn't agree more! This one particular marketing practice annoys me more than anything. The last thing I want or need is an addition to my monthly expenses. I prefer to just buy a product and be done with it. I'd rather just pay a higher price ONCE, than to buy a product that needs constant upgrading, like most everything sold today. I don't want to be signed up for some free trial membership for one month that charges my account monthly forever, until I cancel either! I refuse any and all of such offers! I wish this practice would be outlawed!
It can be quite a turn off - I admit you are not wrong. I have enough subscription fees, next thing you know my clutch will have hydraulic and electricity tax and licenses! It's too much-my heart sank when I heard that part honestly. Love the invention, that one point is super duper sketch. To me.
I have the Clutch Tamer. It took awhile to figure out how to install it. I like Bill's unit and had a chance to talk to him at Race Week. This really helps maximize power to the ground at lower power levels. He right the sport Compact/import market is ripe for solutions like these.
With running that through a standalone ecu I wonder if you could set that up like a auto trans brake. Stage, engage the clutch, press steering wheel button, release clutch pedal with button pressed and launch with release of the button. In effect work like a delay box for Trans brake. With some programming in the ecu it would be sending a signal to the clutch switch the clutch pedal was released. I may be over complicating things with the thought process
Keep up the good work, who remembers the bully video where chow puts the pin into the timing belt tensioner to keep the engine good besides belt age over time,,,such a good tech keep it up all is coming to you!!!
This is a genius set up I've wondered y there wasn't anything like this out for a while but I'm glad to see that someone put the engineering into something like this to benefit us all with a product like this on the market
If Cleetus ever races Leroy again this would easily pay for itself. It would take him an entire trans, a couple of axles and maybe a torque tubes to adjust a regular slipper clutch at the track
Coupled with the "Man brake" that "NXT SHIFT" made, this would be INSANE for any heavy manual transmission vehicle!! This is really cool stuff man, thanks for sharing! My 505whp station wagon needs this, the t56 is really frustrating at the track as y'all have seen. I was beside you In Kole Truck at Houston C&C a few years ago and said "I'd follow you, you look like you know the way" lol, but we ended up not racing together. Good thing, my car was dookie. So, I purchased the Magnus clutch slipper, I wonder if I can integrate electronics from this unit to it and save on cost and time rebuilding hardware? Is that even an option, some manufacturers want to sell, all or nothing, and I understand, just wondering. Stay Gold PFI Speed!
I love the product! But in transparency I don't see the high up front cost coupled with the subscription model being a fix for the import crowd. This is also difficult to imagine when for sometimes half the year the car setups are being worked on/improved. I really wish this was simply purchase the product and get all the features that it currently has.
@@thebangshiftbilly1653 Understood, glad you're able to get a quick feel of the pulse from potential consumers. Appreciate the innovation and commitment to solving a critical problem in the community!
Awesome device! Not a fan of the monthly subscription though. Question. With it needing to see all 3 inputs, how does the clutch switch keep it on when you take off? Simple on off switch? Or a pedal position sensor(potentiometer)?
I think this is great! The only thing that bothers me is this. You pay for the device you pay for the software needed to use the slipper, it's the monthly fee to save your settings. I don't feel that is fair. I understand business but just rise the price and save the profit. I just don't want to pay someone monthly to save my settings. For guys that feel the way I do I wonder if you have to reset the settings after every pass or if the 12 volt power supply is interrupted. short, open, or just turning off the vehicle.
I had the same thought, great idea had my full support the whole way until he slipped in 'but to get all the features of our app and use the mostt important features you also need to pay us 5$ a month for the rest of your life and without the app its a dead weight. Then people wonder why consumers would rather buy the shit once its replicated in China
Based on your comments and others we're going to be reevaluating the subscription piece. Thanks for the input! Sometimes a guy doesn't always see the full picture in the beginning.
@@thebangshiftbilly1653 this is awesome news. And very humble of you to reconsider. I'm sure people would happily pay a higher price up front for the product to cover the costs of the app as everyone knows nothing is free. I'm also sure there's still room somewhere for a subscription based service somewhere within the app. Keep on keeping on, wishing nothing but success for your business.
Wow, I was just thinking outloud. Never thought it would possibly make a difference. I was waiting to get yelled at by so many people and it didn't happen. That's why I love this sport. It is a really fun community to be a part of. Great invention and believe me I admire the work and time involved in bringing a dream,an idea into reality.
I have my magnus delay valve wired up to my infinity, does the same thing as bangshift billy but thats a good solution for people without aftermarket ecu
Not the same deal, The Bangshift Billy quickly goes to your engagement setpoint, holds for as long as you need then fully engages. Your magnus delay looks to be a line-lock with a route thru a manual valve to slow down the fluid. His test mule has a Holley Dominator in it. He wouldn't have spent all the money to RnD if something close to this was on the market. I am not sure if he added software but he talked about allowing 2nd and 3rd to have some slip. Not the best video but he spent a ton into the car to not roast slicks it would spin 0-30/40 feet out of the hole 10 ish on second and 5 feet on 3rd. Map and timing turned way down. ua-cam.com/video/nrxE-Gq7WRw/v-deo.html
I'm extremely curious what the difference in performance between Bangshift Billy's vs The Mansbrake. Same principal. I don't think the Mansbrake has an app to control, record, and save transmission/ clutch tuning. Thank you for bringing this to are attention Brent. J swap Jason.
looking at the mansbrake, its designed to hold the clutch, you take your foot off the clutch pedal and when you want to go you go you get go of the button, like an automatic car with a transbrake. this is not legal for most stickshift classes. from that point on its similar, it will slip the clutch out for a given time before the release bearing is allowed to fully extend. the big difference i see is the mansbrake (aside from leaving on a button) has far more potential error in adjusting, your using a manual flow control valve and a timed relay you adjust with a screwdriver, your not going to get precise adjustments here and fine tuning is gonna be tough. there is also one other big advantage the technology and app control brings you, and thats making a last minute change. say you get lane swapped at last minute, or you can see the track isnt as good as you initially thought, a quick couple taps on your phone while your in the car and you can accurately change your launch strategy.
It seems like there are a couple big differences. Both look like killer products. These are my observations: It seems like the adjustments are more precise with billy. He was entering delays down to the millisecond. The mansbrake has a manual dial that is less precise. Being able to adjust your tune from your driver's seat with the Billy has to be incredible. Think of how often you sit in the staging lanes waiting for a cleanup and the track conditions change dramatically. With our mechanically adjustable clutch that's a serious PITA. Being able to use a button with the mansbrake would be pretty cool. Might get more accuracy out of that. The consistency of the billy seems to be better. The launch strategy is based on exact numbers. The mansbrake wants you to load the clutch based on feel each pass. That might be fine, but the billy seems to be way more controlled and precise overall.
Ultimately I'd like to try both and see what performed better for my application. I would love to try both on my Acura TL racecar I'm building, especially since I have already purchased in hand my FT600. Nothing like apples to apples. Both I'm sure have there advantages and disadvantages. Also curious which would keep the clutch's longevity. From an on the fly standpoint the Bang Shift has that advantage it seems. Both took alot of R and D.
@@unknownbikes5178 Clearly this device is still not fully developed as a complete system and controller. The idea to have a electronically controlled hydraulic clutch is good and compared with the mechanical based system, components used in Top Fuel, along with the storage of various settings. If there are many setting that cam be stored then during the 'test n tune' and qualification runs, then some of the finer adjustments and differences of the track sides, conditions, etc. can be stored. However, there are several drawbacks A. phone application based - better with ECU, which most are using. B.'Trial and Error' type of initial setup - needs further development to use sensors for precision, automated detection, monitoring, modifications as other ECU functions. C. small monthly fees for updates, etc. @PFI, Speed; The owner and developer at FuelTech Anderson Dick will have a much more complete and comprehensive solution, than this. Clearly this development is an early level and incomplete, though helpful for 'trial and error' type individuals. Before i would consider purchasing their i would contact Anderson Dick, FuelTech, HalTech, Holly and others to determine what they have and in development, which will be complete. Also, if my vehicle is using a comprehensive ECU like a FT-550, 600 or similar with HalTech, etc. i do not want another controller. That is one of the issues with the FAST system - having multiple controllers. Actually my background is within electronics design, development engineering with extensive knowledge of mechanics, mechanical, though Anderson Dick has much more of this combination experience and expertise than me. The people on these channels, those involved in building, racing these type of vehicles are not engineers, not highly developed mechanical technician, but as Brent, some have developed their expertise. Thus, many may be excited about such a product, idea, and such, but not quite have the information, knowledge, expertise to properly assess, evaluate, discern, differentiate, analyze, thus determine and conclude with a fuller view, perspective and perception. For some it some and would be useful, helpful, beneficial and worthwhile to purchase this product in it current stage, if it results in monetary benefits which effectively pays for the costs, while others develop their more complete solutions, systems, controls. My view is to first contact these other companies with their more ECU solutions to determine if and what they may have or in development. Also, perhaps the mechanical solutions which Top Fuel use may be available or be modified to work too. Some of the NPK and other higher level professional drag racing teams may have solutions they have in use already too, including with companies like FuelTech, HalTech, etc. All The Best and Much Success in Your Quest, Health, Happiness and Well Being. 😊 Sincerely ☺
@@newtonfirefly3584 100% agree I've been dealing with Greg at Fueltech. Fortunately for me the build will probably be done in about a year. I'm doing my built engine and valve train now. I already have the FT600 since eventually it will be sequential AWD so I went with the big dog to have all my inputs and outputs. Hopefully Fueltech is working on there solution, I have time. I'm just a hot rodder putting to much money into a gen 3 Acura TL but I have 5. And many classics 65 fastback, 67 Chevelle, 68 C10, and 75 Camero. All sentimental so they won't be race cars. And way to many Aprilia Street bikes. I appreciate you and your advice. Live blessed!!! J swap Jason.
Can it watch and save a clutch sequence? As in if you have it in record mode and you physically land a perfect launch, can you then save that launch and make it repeatable?
Can we take a minute to appreciate that this man has found a pair of corduroy overalls in an adult size.
Savage
respect the drip
I remember reading a forum post he made about this AGES ago! (He was arguing with a whole bunch of naysayers.) I'm SO stoked he actually brought this into production. I'm definitely ordering one.
They argue with anybody with a different idea.
They were in production a longggg time ago for dsms
I always find it funny how the people who don't do shit, come up with so many reasons that you shouldn't do shit. Looks like he's getting the last laugh. Meanwhile, I bet those naysayers are on some new forum somewhere doing the exact same shit. lol
Yep, money where his mouth is... and didn't back down.
The shockery you say?!
Seeing this man talk about his creation puts a smile on my face.
You can see the dedication behind it
Essentially, this is what a high gear only Top Fuel car uses to slip a clutch. Great work!!
Kind of, I think they do it by mechanical means though with weights and different ratio apply arms
@@motoweenies4431 100%
@@motoweenies4431 Yup, more like what's in Leroy.
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This guy did explain why that system won't work for most front wheel drive cars (size, etc)
i swear people have been using these things since the 90s
@@bobmarley2140 just a bleeder valve this on the other hand is programmable and the results are easily duplicated, a lot less time wasted calibrating for the track and consistency
BANG SHIFT BILLY!!!!!! I absolutely love his work. Genius solution. No weights, just an electric valve that you can numerically control. Absolutely love it and I will have one on my race car if I need it or not
Got one of Bills inventions here down under ready to help get my skyline off the line. Super stoked with the final product. Been following it for ages through the indiegogo.
Holly crap this invention is genius!!! What a really smart idea!!! I hope this guys company absolutely takes off!! The street racers should gobble this up
Man the technology that's constantly evolving in this sport os just amazing !
That’s definitely a great idea! Thanks for sharing and I’ve been loving the content that you and your daughter have been making together. It’s really awesome 👍
This genuinely seems brilliant. I'm looking forward to seeing how this works out at the track. Awesome innovation.
Thanks for bringing this to light PFI. Pure F**king Innovation
You needed this over 20 years ago. Since you were well known for twisting off CV joints in the old Rex. Wassup old friend.
Thats dope! I can't wait to see how this develops in the field!
I have mine. Just need to get it finalized to get it to working in my car now!! So happy I was get to know the maker of this product.
Another awesome American made product! Awesome video man!
Not to take anyone away from getting this product as of now, but it seems that there are still areas that can be refined, like using hydraulic pressure to accurately measure the slave cylinder actuation instead of relying on switches and time delays (because setting distances would tweak it out of whack when the clutch is getting worn out but the feel, and therefore pressure on the clutch would be fairly constant) and you can step or taper off the pressure through PWM duty cycle or linear voltage on the hydraulic valve for even more!
Hope that input would help to make a better product, or better yet have anyone who knows someone who can do PIC or AVR programming and make some driver circuits for the hydraulic valve and translate the pressure sensor to do the same and actually talk to the ECU through I2C or CAN when possible (say, for traction control) so you would not put any more RF signals out in the air and make it all tucked away...and it will be open sourced so no big company could ever take it away from anyone
Great input. From what we have seen a hydraulic clutch in relation to wear and pedal position does not change as the disc wears, the great part about them actually. The other pieces are great ideas worth exploring, thanks!
@@thebangshiftbilly1653 That's the good part. The slave cylinder however, just as with hydraulic brake calipers, would move outward as the pads wear and get thin. That can change the distances because of the pressure plate and the "lever ratio" of the pressure plate fingers would also be affecting actual clutch release and bite distances as the clutch discs wear down. Might be around 1/16ths of an inch or one millimeter and change or even less and can be disregarded but hey...nothing is perfect and striving to get there is way better! That very tiny bit of distance might make a difference in fine tuning...hope you'd experiment with a pressure-based system and see if it's worth it. Good luck!
Brent should make his own racer vocabulary dictionary slang book. I’d buy it.
Race car = hot rod
Horsepower = Jam
Awesome = rad
Brent thanks for sharing this information. A lot of people would have no idea about this amazing tech! Keep pushing
Love tha labeling on back bro. Thats off the chain
Love the way you are allways bring new things to the sport front.
Thank you Brent.
I'm not a racer. But that digital clutch controller is a game changer. The racing world has a new tool to chop some more records down with.
That’s very cool! I’m excited to see someone record the R & D process for this on a 800-1200 hp Civic FWD/AWD and post the results. The amount of engineering and fabrication to make that into a reality must have been crazy!
10:45 the ramp he’s talking about is an S curve for the PID tuning.
Great product and awesome demonstration - explanation
This is really good for Those moment were the nervous take over on the track and you end up spinning the tires or braking the axles 🤣
Love what he had printed on the circuit board ,we need more of that for sure
You n boosted boys have my heart from the U.P. I need your guys patrion, I'll keep living vicariously through yous and them I don't have the money because I'm building and breaking everything. I love you're videos man. I literally cry seeing you build with your family. I'm probably going to be the only Dyno in the 906 or 715. It's just a inertia Dyno for bikes and quads. I'm waiting on a speedurino sheild. I should have the cash to build the roller on Monday. I'm doing this by myself. Everyone of my friends backed out. I just lost my dad last year so I'm raw dogging this. It's where my heart and goals are. Keep this channel going. It keeps me going and learning.
All the back ground convos made me feel like a bad acid trip
I see now ..it allows the clutch to slip for a second or two before it fully engaged to keep the clutch amd trans from hitting so hard off the line. Thats bad ass
Amazing product !! American ingenuity at its finest !!
Awesome part it will sell for sure
Hell yeah Brent love this type of video you're just out there to show us all what you love and what you're passionate about
Nothing to do with money even though we all know you kinda need it right now, that's why Brent will go down in the history books!
Big love from England dude!
Thanks for the video Brent. Really enjoyed the interview format of it. His explanation was so interesting and it was cool to see the evolution of his idea.
very rad , good times, good tip
Product is dope and Heidi is bangin!!!
Stick shift classes will love this device, plus many others that wanna save axles n boxes :)
That is so badass. Thanks for sharing with us Brent
I absolutely love ingenuity. Doubly so when someone takes the time to source Made in America parts and local manufacturing.
Wow this is just awesome I love to see this people pushing the envelope on this in the industry for us drag racing motor heads wat a amazing invention sooo rad!
It’s cool that it is controlled via smartphone app but when I’m already tuning my vehicle with a computer it would be nice to have a can bus hookup so it can be integrated into the engine/trans control unit.. I see holly or some other big manufacturers trying to buy the patent to this product. Awesome USA made go fast part!
But then he couldn’t charge only $3.99 a month to actually use the features
@@BrightEyes8513 yeah see this is the part he tried to sneak in. Subscribed? For a clutch slipper? C'mon... doing too much.
You dont even subscribe for a draggy.
He got rid of the subscription and v2.0 will have Can/obd2 support.
Will save the transmissions from exploding too. Great idea
Great video Brent. See you next month
Wow pretty afficent contraption hes got there move over slipper clutch there's a new Sheriff in town,and were are yall im looking out the window there behind the guy and looks like your in the mountains lol
nice! I'm in Colorado right now for the first time. beautiful state! Also I've been coincidentally shopping for a slipper valve setup for my civic haha
Made in America to boot!
Awesome invention!
Great information, thanks
I'm so stoked its finally happening. Hell yea brothers!
That's a freaking rad idea bruh it would be great for a racecar, street car, and especially for a drag and drive car cause you could set it up for whatever road/ track condition I need one of those
It's perfect for that because you would need a different setting on street tires than you would slicks or drag radials. Drag Radials is the next evolution of FWD drag racing.
This is great idea.
Isn't it a bit like the FN2 type-R slipper ? just adjustable and has an app ? :D pretty awesome job billy and thanks Brent!
I just ordered mine!
Awesome Product!
I have heard rumblings about this for a while now, and it is kind of brilliant and simple. I think the one factor keeping me away is the 'subscription' mentality of the app. That is simply a bridge too far for me, I do not want to pay a subscription for years to have a clutch that works. That one small piece of marketing ultimately keeps me out. Charge a one time fee, make it part of the product price. It's like paying Holley or AEM or anyone for updates or revisions or bug fixes.
I couldn't agree more! This one particular marketing practice annoys me more than anything. The last thing I want or need is an addition to my monthly expenses. I prefer to just buy a product and be done with it. I'd rather just pay a higher price ONCE, than to buy a product that needs constant upgrading, like most everything sold today. I don't want to be signed up for some free trial membership for one month that charges my account monthly forever, until I cancel either! I refuse any and all of such offers! I wish this practice would be outlawed!
It can be quite a turn off - I admit you are not wrong. I have enough subscription fees, next thing you know my clutch will have hydraulic and electricity tax and licenses! It's too much-my heart sank when I heard that part honestly. Love the invention, that one point is super duper sketch. To me.
A subscription service for your clutch lmfao
Straight genius that never gave up and overcame and conquered his obstacles 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I have the Clutch Tamer. It took awhile to figure out how to install it. I like Bill's unit and had a chance to talk to him at Race Week. This really helps maximize power to the ground at lower power levels. He right the sport Compact/import market is ripe for solutions like these.
That is amazing invention! Simple and effective, just some pixies dancing on the controller and your car jumps from the line!
That's pretty cool stuff. Learn something everyday lol.
At 3:38 🤣🤣 peak legend
I just started the video and I already know it's a great idea.
Damn and the Bluetooth tuning. Stick shift is about to be as consistent as the automatic class
I love the product, don't know how I feel about a subscription service for my clutch.
That's very cool!
With running that through a standalone ecu I wonder if you could set that up like a auto trans brake. Stage, engage the clutch, press steering wheel button, release clutch pedal with button pressed and launch with release of the button. In effect work like a delay box for Trans brake. With some programming in the ecu it would be sending a signal to the clutch switch the clutch pedal was released.
I may be over complicating things with the thought process
It is made to release to the slip point, hold then fully release. You can sidestep the clutch and it works the same, no need to add a button.
Launching a stick car off a button is not legal in any stick class.
Amazing great stuff great job
I'm so excited to see this work👍
Really cool man!!
Keep up the good work, who remembers the bully video where chow puts the pin into the timing belt tensioner to keep the engine good besides belt age over time,,,such a good tech keep it up all is coming to you!!!
Love the chips message!!😂😂
This is a genius set up I've wondered y there wasn't anything like this out for a while but I'm glad to see that someone put the engineering into something like this to benefit us all with a product like this on the market
Would like to see it set up in an awd car. super cool stuff
That would be ideal
That is a awesome product!! So magnus launch control is a thing of the pass!??
I thought about this 25 years ago but with a line lock, micro switch and a timer. The app is pretty sweet tho.. hope it works out for him
This is absolutely genius!
I appreciate this man 👏🏾👏🏾excellent work
If Cleetus ever races Leroy again this would easily pay for itself. It would take him an entire trans, a couple of axles and maybe a torque tubes to adjust a regular slipper clutch at the track
Need is the mother of invention. God bless America
That's awesome !!
Ohh this is a game changer.
Coupled with the "Man brake" that "NXT SHIFT" made, this would be INSANE for any heavy manual transmission vehicle!! This is really cool stuff man, thanks for sharing! My 505whp station wagon needs this, the t56 is really frustrating at the track as y'all have seen. I was beside you In Kole Truck at Houston C&C a few years ago and said "I'd follow you, you look like you know the way" lol, but we ended up not racing together. Good thing, my car was dookie. So, I purchased the Magnus clutch slipper, I wonder if I can integrate electronics from this unit to it and save on cost and time rebuilding hardware? Is that even an option, some manufacturers want to sell, all or nothing, and I understand, just wondering. Stay Gold PFI Speed!
Unfortunately no as the Magnus unit slows the entire clutch travel, ours only slows or controls the "Bite" point.
Sounds like a good idea, but app an pay, no no no, ggz-👽👍
That is a nifty little product maybe you need to get ahold of Emilia to have her put it on Mimi.
Thats great 👍 😀. Love it💯
This is awesome tech!
Smart as hell goofy needs this
does it watch the tree and cut a .01 60"
I want a Brent hug!
I love the product! But in transparency I don't see the high up front cost coupled with the subscription model being a fix for the import crowd. This is also difficult to imagine when for sometimes half the year the car setups are being worked on/improved.
I really wish this was simply purchase the product and get all the features that it currently has.
Thanks for the input, based on the comments we're going to be reevaluating the subscription piece.
@@thebangshiftbilly1653 Understood, glad you're able to get a quick feel of the pulse from potential consumers. Appreciate the innovation and commitment to solving a critical problem in the community!
Subscription products are a NO GO, for me. I don't rent shit. I own it.
Awesome device! Not a fan of the monthly subscription though. Question. With it needing to see all 3 inputs, how does the clutch switch keep it on when you take off? Simple on off switch? Or a pedal position sensor(potentiometer)?
On/Off switch
It doesn't need to see all three inputs that's just how it's wired up on my car. You can use it with just a single switch and even a carburetor
I think this is great! The only thing that bothers me is this. You pay for the device you pay for the software needed to use the slipper, it's the monthly fee to save your settings. I don't feel that is fair. I understand business but just rise the price and save the profit. I just don't want to pay someone monthly to save my settings. For guys that feel the way I do I wonder if you have to reset the settings after every pass or if the 12 volt power supply is interrupted. short, open, or just turning off the vehicle.
I had the same thought, great idea had my full support the whole way until he slipped in 'but to get all the features of our app and use the mostt important features you also need to pay us 5$ a month for the rest of your life and without the app its a dead weight. Then people wonder why consumers would rather buy the shit once its replicated in China
Based on your comments and others we're going to be reevaluating the subscription piece. Thanks for the input! Sometimes a guy doesn't always see the full picture in the beginning.
@@thebangshiftbilly1653 this is awesome news. And very humble of you to reconsider. I'm sure people would happily pay a higher price up front for the product to cover the costs of the app as everyone knows nothing is free. I'm also sure there's still room somewhere for a subscription based service somewhere within the app. Keep on keeping on, wishing nothing but success for your business.
Wow, I was just thinking outloud. Never thought it would possibly make a difference. I was waiting to get yelled at by so many people and it didn't happen. That's why I love this sport. It is a really fun community to be a part of. Great invention and believe me I admire the work and time involved in bringing a dream,an idea into reality.
So impressive.
I have my magnus delay valve wired up to my infinity, does the same thing as bangshift billy but thats a good solution for people without aftermarket ecu
Not the same deal, The Bangshift Billy quickly goes to your engagement setpoint, holds for as long as you need then fully engages. Your magnus delay looks to be a line-lock with a route thru a manual valve to slow down the fluid. His test mule has a Holley Dominator in it. He wouldn't have spent all the money to RnD if something close to this was on the market. I am not sure if he added software but he talked about allowing 2nd and 3rd to have some slip. Not the best video but he spent a ton into the car to not roast slicks it would spin 0-30/40 feet out of the hole 10 ish on second and 5 feet on 3rd. Map and timing turned way down. ua-cam.com/video/nrxE-Gq7WRw/v-deo.html
I have been thinking of doing this with a PWM out of Holley with a hydraulic solenoid, same idea, and let Holley control it only in first gear
Nailin these daily uploads!
What a great idea
How can you tell it's a PFI speed video?
I enjoyed it.
🤔 it’s on his channel…
@@5uprnva whooosh
I'm extremely curious what the difference in performance between Bangshift Billy's vs The Mansbrake. Same principal. I don't think the Mansbrake has an app to control, record, and save transmission/ clutch tuning. Thank you for bringing this to are attention Brent. J swap Jason.
looking at the mansbrake, its designed to hold the clutch, you take your foot off the clutch pedal and when you want to go you go you get go of the button, like an automatic car with a transbrake. this is not legal for most stickshift classes. from that point on its similar, it will slip the clutch out for a given time before the release bearing is allowed to fully extend. the big difference i see is the mansbrake (aside from leaving on a button) has far more potential error in adjusting, your using a manual flow control valve and a timed relay you adjust with a screwdriver, your not going to get precise adjustments here and fine tuning is gonna be tough.
there is also one other big advantage the technology and app control brings you, and thats making a last minute change. say you get lane swapped at last minute, or you can see the track isnt as good as you initially thought, a quick couple taps on your phone while your in the car and you can accurately change your launch strategy.
It seems like there are a couple big differences. Both look like killer products. These are my observations:
It seems like the adjustments are more precise with billy. He was entering delays down to the millisecond. The mansbrake has a manual dial that is less precise.
Being able to adjust your tune from your driver's seat with the Billy has to be incredible. Think of how often you sit in the staging lanes waiting for a cleanup and the track conditions change dramatically. With our mechanically adjustable clutch that's a serious PITA.
Being able to use a button with the mansbrake would be pretty cool. Might get more accuracy out of that.
The consistency of the billy seems to be better. The launch strategy is based on exact numbers. The mansbrake wants you to load the clutch based on feel each pass. That might be fine, but the billy seems to be way more controlled and precise overall.
Ultimately I'd like to try both and see what performed better for my application. I would love to try both on my Acura TL racecar I'm building, especially since I have already purchased in hand my FT600. Nothing like apples to apples. Both I'm sure have there advantages and disadvantages. Also curious which would keep the clutch's longevity. From an on the fly standpoint the Bang Shift has that advantage it seems. Both took alot of R and D.
@@unknownbikes5178 Clearly this device is still not fully developed as a complete system and controller.
The idea to have a electronically controlled hydraulic clutch is good and compared with the mechanical based system, components used in Top Fuel, along with the storage of various settings. If there are many setting that cam be stored then during the 'test n tune' and qualification runs, then some of the finer adjustments and differences of the track sides, conditions, etc. can be stored.
However, there are several drawbacks
A. phone application based - better with ECU, which most are using.
B.'Trial and Error' type of initial setup - needs further development to use sensors for precision, automated detection, monitoring, modifications as other ECU functions.
C. small monthly fees for updates, etc.
@PFI, Speed;
The owner and developer at FuelTech Anderson Dick will have a much more complete and comprehensive solution, than this.
Clearly this development is an early level and incomplete, though helpful for 'trial and error' type individuals.
Before i would consider purchasing their i would contact Anderson Dick, FuelTech, HalTech, Holly and others to determine what they have and in development, which will be complete.
Also, if my vehicle is using a comprehensive ECU like a FT-550, 600 or similar with HalTech, etc. i do not want another controller.
That is one of the issues with the FAST system - having multiple controllers.
Actually my background is within electronics design, development engineering with extensive knowledge of mechanics, mechanical, though Anderson Dick has much more of this combination experience and expertise than me.
The people on these channels, those involved in building, racing these type of vehicles are not engineers, not highly developed mechanical technician, but as Brent, some have developed their expertise.
Thus, many may be excited about such a product, idea, and such, but not quite have the information, knowledge, expertise to properly assess, evaluate, discern, differentiate, analyze, thus determine and conclude with a fuller view, perspective and perception.
For some it some and would be useful, helpful, beneficial and worthwhile to purchase this product in it current stage, if it results in monetary benefits which effectively pays for the costs, while others develop their more complete solutions, systems, controls.
My view is to first contact these other companies with their more ECU solutions to determine if and what they may have or in development.
Also, perhaps the mechanical solutions which Top Fuel use may be available or be modified to work too.
Some of the NPK and other higher level professional drag racing teams may have solutions they have in use already too, including with companies like FuelTech, HalTech, etc.
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@@newtonfirefly3584 100% agree I've been dealing with Greg at Fueltech. Fortunately for me the build will probably be done in about a year. I'm doing my built engine and valve train now. I already have the FT600 since eventually it will be sequential AWD so I went with the big dog to have all my inputs and outputs. Hopefully Fueltech is working on there solution, I have time. I'm just a hot rodder putting to much money into a gen 3 Acura TL but I have 5. And many classics 65 fastback, 67 Chevelle, 68 C10, and 75 Camero. All sentimental so they won't be race cars. And way to many Aprilia Street bikes. I appreciate you and your advice. Live blessed!!! J swap Jason.
Heidi, wheres the G8 content??? Saw it in the 1320 video. Need more!!!
Leeroy needs this
Cleetus needs this for ol'leroy!
He has a slipper clutch. This would be worthless to him. This is the solution for those who street drive and don’t want the hassle of a slipper
I’m going to try and get my buddy to throw one on his cobra!
Can it watch and save a clutch sequence? As in if you have it in record mode and you physically land a perfect launch, can you then save that launch and make it repeatable?
Great video and awesome product. How would it work during staging, when you are creeping forward to break the beams ?
Your not wot so no slip.