I remember the good ole days when you didn't have all this nanny stuff and you took off and hit the first corner, understeer took over and you wrapped it around a tree...the end.
Yeah those good old days when a fender bender could kill you and cars lasted 100k miles if you were lucky. I think I miss the rust the most. Cars were so much better back in the good old days
poopsmcgee2k6 Big boats from the mid '70s that had 165 hp and enough plumbing to build a public housing project... Crumple zones? Not for "Real Men". Who needs stability control, I want the back end to come around...ha!
JR, I love you and this comes from the heart. Really enjoyed the lesson on TPMS sensors. Learned some stuff! What I missed, and what I wanted to see, was you fishing those bits of broken sensor out of that tire and working some magic to keep the tire machine from breaking the new sensor. In summary, show don't tell. Please and thank you.
Only to Autel TPMS MX sensors. Not that it's a bad thing, just know you can't buy the sensors at the dealer. Unless they sell Autel MX sensors that is.
@@Roosterfishh Hard to say. If it's a cheap direct-fit TPMS sensor, you can't rewrite them. If you're talking about something from NAPA Echlin's OE-Match, you will need at least an Ateq VT37. Like I said, it's hard to say. Especially with a variety of direct-fit aftermarket sensors available in the marketplace.
I'm going to chime in here with an updated answer. Having used Autel's TPMS tool (and their TPMS sensors for awhile), I highly recommend staying away from the Autel TPMS MX sensors! The MX sensors are flakey, and crap out on you often, leaving you to wonder if your tires are flat or if it's Autel's sensors playing tricks on you. Here's what I recommend you do instead: Get pre-programmed TPMS OEM sensors (which are sold at dealers and stores like Rock Auto). You can install those, activate them (via instructions that come with the sensors), then have the Autel tool read the sensors and program those into the onboard computer via the OBD II port. I love the tool, but those sensors are baaaaaaaaad.
This was very cool to see. This has always been a tell a the shop "Yeah I want TPMS" thing, and never actually saw how it worked and was installed and configured. Great stuff!!!
Personally i hate tpms and find it annoying and needlessly expensive. I check my tire pressure regularly. I wish there were a way to shut it off for people like me.
Because they sell cars like candies, not educating people the maintenance, the care needed. To make profits the wrong way, is also to make people uneducated, to make people more dependable on others like dealers,shops, and etc... At the end, most people who drives are busy, have minimal knowledge on the safety maintenance of tires and cars, causing danger to self and others on the road. Temporary solution is to create more cost for consumers like TPMS, more waste for the environements as its one time use while new laws keep on placing the burden back on individuals vs back on the system . 🎉
You can skip it from the ECU Application, but think about insurance. They'll refuse any payments in case of an accident, once proven they were not connected or red by the board computer of the car. And they know well how this could be investigated.
@@chrispartridge3080 Don't need any of that stuff, get a new set of sensors and indicator on Ebay for about $25. They screw onto the valve stems in place of the caps and you are all set!
@@chrispartridge3080 @WatchJRGo I agree this is BS. I'm a big DIY guy, but I have a small house and kids with a bunch of crap and a 2-car garage that actually park 2 cars in! The last thing I have room for is a tire machine, so I'm stuck going to a tire shop no matter how "easy" it is to fix a TPMS sensor with all the right tools. (I actually prefer to just pull my wheels off and take them to the tire shop so I don't have to leave my truck there and then bum a ride home or wait like an idiot, but that's beside the point.) And what happened to the Audi BTW? You put the turbos on 3 months ago and now its not in your garage anymore? No one cares if you want to fly planes. We came here because we like to fix cars too.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009XJARD4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It aint easy, but I use this tool to replace TPMS sensors at home. Break the bead, pry the tire down and swap out the TPMS sensor. You need 3 hands.
"...Not that big of a deal!" Hmm, it seems an unnecessary hassle to me, full of fails and sensors that won't talk to the car. All sensors should use a single universal protocol and all cars should autodetect with a single command.
I'd rather know how to disable or turn off the TPMS.... I have a 2009 Police Crown Victoria and the damned light comes on every time I drive the car for more than 30 minutes at a time. It just doesn't work and I'm about to pull the cluster out and paint over the light.
Tpms is just another Gov mandated accessory that should be an option, they regularly fail and at 30 to 100 dollars to have fixed each it's much cheaper to buy a tire pressure gauge and check yourself 3 or 4 times a year! Especially if they dont tell you what pressure is required!
When I first started watching John Ross, I felt like he was a great value Hoovie. But now that I've followed his channel for a while, I have respect for his hustle to upload good content frequently and for being himself through the process
Yeah, there are several ways to meet the Federal requirements. I had a Honda Accord that used the ABS sensors to detect differences in the RPM of the tires. You get a lot more functionality out of sensors, but I'd rather it just be seamless and maintenance-free. I put snow tires on my Jeep a few years ago and had to get 4 new sensors for the winter wheels. It was an annoying hassle.
So your abs sensor outside the tyre can read pressure inside the tyre? That doesn't sound right. they might use the abs system to collect data but not detect pressure - unless it measures wheel speed rotation? Hadn't thought of that?
My 2019 Ford Fiesta SE has the light and says the tire is low. However, it doesn't say which tire is low. Which is not a big deal to me because i have a tire pressure gauge that I use and just air up the low tire
Please, “life saving”.How did we ever survive for so many years, millions of automobiles driving down the road with no TPMS. How did we ever survive , Lol
Non car people dont fill or check the tyre pressure thats why they are important. A moron next to you on the highway having a blowout and side swiping you is not nice
How to fix a TPMS light on a 08 Forester...remove cluster, take out TPMS lamp bulb, reinstall cluster, check tires regularly like your suppose to, and enjoy not having the annoying light on the dash.
The tmos units have 10 year batteries. Some last longer some shorter. My 2009 Honda Crv had 1 bad battery after 9 years, I knew I needed to change tires next year. The following year I got new tires and new temps aftermarket sensors from eBay, 4 for $44(total not each) had Discount tire install and program. They had no problem with these aftermarket sensors and didn’t charge for installation or programming. Tires were ones I wanted at a good price.
"Tool is relatively inexpensive." -> Clicks the link. ....... Eyes widen. holy shit! What is your version of relatively inexpensive? $400 is not relatively inexpensive. It's flat out expensive. $150 is "relatively inexpensive."
And that tool will probably only program one specific brand of sensor? Every thing is so proprietary regarding this stuff unless you get a $1000+ SnapOn programmer.
When ever I used to work for ford, I had a customer come in one time that ask me if I can get rid of the TPMS sensor lights, well previously I had been messing with their computer on new vehicle just to kind of look at what all it can do, so I gave it a shot. I hooked up the computer to his truck and I set the minimum maximum psi for his tires to be 1PSI by doing so the light never came on.
Tpms is a no brainier these days. For $30 I can read real time tire pressure and temperature on all four wheels continuously, set audible and visual warnings for thresholds. It's a huge safety feature improvement while driving on the road. There's no second guessing or any hesitation if you spring a leak or blow a tire while driving.
Tpms is thanks to ford and firestone with the Wilderness at tires that were blowing and flipping them and killing people. Firestone and ford blamed it on tire pressures and not the crap tires firestone built
My experience as well. Since the dealer my 350Z had an issue with it's brand new system. NEVER got resolved, and I got tired of it. Another move to add cost to our cars. If you are going to mandate the use of it, mandate the car makers to make it work.
Like I commented above, it has never worked right in my Toyota. Not worth the cost of fixing. I just ignore the light that has been on for 8 years and just check the tires with a manual gauge.
My 2008 Ram 3500 does not have it because it is a 1 Ton truck and those weren't mandated until 2009 for some reason. My 2006 Tundra had it and it never worked properly so I ended up "fixing" it by covering the blinking light with tape
TPMS is great. When it works. In my Fit it's simply the light in my dash I ignore now. The whole thing is rigged to get you back to the dealership IMHO. There has to be a better design rather than this crap they have now.
Maybe in 20 years, if enough people complain, they will make it less proprietary, the tools will be cheaper and the sensors won't be so crappy. I can't imagine the industry will make these changes unless they are forced by the government.
Hate TPMS - If you can't afford multi-$1000 scan tools you are stuck guessing. My granddaughter's car kept showing TPMS warning, which stressed her out terribly. She would have the tire pressure checked and all four tires were fine, but the warning would remain. I happened to mention this to the counter man at AutoZone when I was buying some oil. He suggested to check the spare, and sure enough, it was almost flat. Nowhere in the manual does it say the spare remains part of the active TPMS while you are driving. Most people give no thought to the spare tire until they have a flat.
PSA: If you’re DIY, and have an at home, manual tire machine, PLEASE for the love of god treat every tire as if it has a sensor. NEVER break the bead right at the valve stem.
You don't. You either put tape over the light, or remove the LED/bulb. . Or just replace the damned sensors. Or deal with the light. . Some cars allow programming in all zeroes for the sensor IDs for a bit, but will still throw the light later.
Another great video JR, but could you go back to showing us how to do it without access to a fully equipped commercial garage? $20K tire machines make it easy, but a lot of us are still using 2x4s or ratchet bead breakers at home. Thanks
Well shucks... all you need is the $300+ programming tool (which will only program one specific brand of sensor), and a $40 harbor freight manual tire machine. Or when you buy your sensors try getting them pre-programmed from the seller for your specific vehicle.
If you are too stupid to need TPMS to tell if your tires are low on pressure, you don't need to be driving at all. Your preflight should be enough to tell you. Checking pressures often with a calibrated gauge is all you need. Looking at your vehicle's condition is important every time you drive. These damn things aren't appliances.
There's one more type of TPMS and that's indirect TPMS. Indirect uses the vehicle's ABS / wheel speed sensors to monitor each wheel's rotation count/speed. When one of them has a variation in their rotation count compared to the other wheels, it will will trigger the TPMS (tire) light in the dash because a low tire pressure will cause the wheel speed to change and the TPMS indirectly detects that via the ABS / wheel speed sensors. The other type being "direct" (what you're showing in this video) where there are sensors in each wheel that report the pressure to the TPMS subsystem of the vehicle. I agree having an Autel TPMS tools is a great thing to have. I use my Autel MaxiTPMS TS601 far more than I thought I would when I purchased it. I enjoy watching your videos!
Does the nut torque from a new TPMS service set depend on the sensor you are installing a new set? Or that torque is the same for any TPMS Service Kit, which fits on that sensor? For example, the original TPMS sensor require 65 in-lbs (2009 Nissan Sentra), but new service kit for the nut included in that set gives 35 in-lbs. I didn't look before on the packet of the service kit and installed w/63 in-lbs. The car was driving perfectly fine like for 2 years. Now I'm replacing the wheels and moving the TPMS sensors fm old wheels to the new ones. I'm replacing the service kit items of course (nut, washer, gasket, and Schrader Valve). Here it came to my attention the printed value of the nut torque on the small packet for the new kit (35 in-lbs). So I don't know what torque to apply 65, 35 or smth in between (especially as everything was fine and with 63). I inspected the previous old service kit nuts, which were used for 2 years, and which were under 63 in-lbs instead of 35, they were fine, no hairline cracks on them. I would appreciate any opinions on this matter.
I really dislike TPMS. But I am that guy that checks the tire pressure every week. I like to check and top-up the tire pressure regularly because I love to have a good dynamic on my car (pressure gives you better cornering dynamic, as the tires do not squeeze as much), because the I have a more comfortable even on speed bumps, gives me better fuel economy, and my tires last longer. Why do I dislike TPMS? Because it is either (1) a bad solution, or (2) a expensive solution. (1) There are systems which uses the wheel rotation sensor, from the ABS / TCS / ESP system (Anti-lock Braking System, Traction Control System, Electronic Stability Programme). These systems are not very reliable in terms of the pressure that it outputs, because, if you have 2 tires, or even the all 4 tires, really low, the system usually do not check it. Moreover, as said in the video, these systems check the tire pressure occasionally, thus, for those which start their car and go straight to a highway at 60 mph, the system may not check the tire pressure on time. Yes, it is good. But not enough. (2) The cars which have the TPMS sensor in each wheel rim are a pain. Not only increases the price of changing a tire, but also increase the complexity involved in this task. I see many people postponing the tire change due to this increased price - which is way worse that the risk of having a low tire. Moreover, this also increase the investment a shop has to make, thus, this cost passes on to the consumer. This is very bad! I am all for improvements, especially in security. But this system requires too much maintenance, and for very low improvement. Just like brake pad sensors... Which only increase the price of a brake change.
Dude, you just said "I am that guy that checks the tire pressure every week." . TPMS checks it every MINUTE. . It's also there for the VAST majority of owners who DON'T maintain their cars. . As for shop investment, give me a break - they've been required for nearly FIFTEEN YEARS, if a shop hasn't updated their tire equipment in that time, they probably scratch the hell out of most aluminum rims with some dinosaur machine.
@@TheTalonts I know I am not a "regular driver", and not a "typical driver". That is why I said that, because it is a disclaimer. I check the tire pressure every week, because I love to have a good dynamic car, better fuel economy, and to have long lasting tires - that is why I invest on Michelin tires. As I said, not only (1) the TPMS is not always correct in assessing the tire pressure, but also (2) the value is not correct (except on those high-end S-Class / 7-Series cars). Thus, I prefer to check the tire pressure weekly. Regarding shop investment: never forget that it is you who pays. And, more system, equals more investment; which will be reflected on your receipt. Moreover, the TPMS is not equal on all OEMs, thus, more investment for a mechanic / tire shop. Regarding your "15 years", shops had to make very other investments, that is why you pay sometimes double per hour what you paid 20 years ago. But yes, I agree with your point: this is for those driver who not take care of their cars. Just like: maintenance reminder, ABS, TCS, ESP, etc... That is why cars are a lot more expensive than before, in both purchasing and maintaining.
There is another system that measures pressure loss with the hall sensors from the abs/esp, if it notices that one tire is slightly rotating faster due to the decreased circumference it knows that this wheel needs to be checked , it’s a simple system but I like it , it’s better than not knowing that you’ll have a big problem soon 😄👍🏻
I saw a post on a car forum I was on like 10+ years ago. He took his tpms sensors out. Bought a small wheel barrow pneumatic tire and tossed all 4 sensors in and filled it up to like 40psi (or whatever the vehicle required to turn the light off) and tossed it in the trunk. Never dealt with them again, was able to run several tire set ups. Also another guy built one out of pvc pipes and drilled a hole and put a valve core thru. Sensors inside, cap it off and add air.
Every tire machine is different, the basic ones maybe, but there are different levels of automation in the new ones. The Revolution literally does it all for you 🍻
Awesome, so shopping list, $390 scanner, tire machine, all the sensors you can find to hopefully find one that works, oh what's that, the lights still on. Simply outstanding. I remember when people used youtube to post videos when they actually figured something out or had some tech to share.
1 Phone chargers can Interfere with tpms 2 autel tool only program their sensors 3 gm, ford, audi, vw, BMW probably forgetting a few manufacturers can be put into tpms learn mode through the dash 4 some sensors lock out and can not be programmed to with vehicle info once installed and aired up I program them then test them then install
Im from Canada and its not a requirement to have tpms in Canada but i bought a car from usa and there was some TPMS on it and i totally agree TPMS Sucks this is the worst cheap gadget ever and its quite expensive you need to have it on all the 4 wheels you need a tpms professional reset tool + a odb2 scanner to reset it and here in Canada you need a set of summer tire and a set of winter tire but let me tell you its way less expensive to install a good old valve but dam its annoying to hear the bip noice and the tpms light on the dashboard i only wish i could unplug that thing from my honda pilot touring even if its sometime usefull to see the tire pressure i could get ride of those sensor and life without it..
The shit is too proprietary and the tools too expensive, yes. If there were good cheap universal sensors that weren't dead straight out of the box and the diagnostic tools were cheap, that would be a different story.
Try Kia here is the royal pain in the $&@ in 2013 -2017 Kia souls. Here is why the sensors are locked to the radio Bluetooth system. Now imagine the radio fails in your car or a fuse burns out your car goes into limp mode and the service engine light comes on and the tpms kicks on it’s light on the 2013 soul it also blows the throttle body sensor have fun that’s a 200.00 part alone
Yep, I did that for my MIL's car - programmed them, then pressed each to make sure I got a pressure reading. Then when she got the new tires installed, they just swapped them in and they were ready to go.
Newer Honda sedans use ABS for their TPMS system. Not a fan of that setup. Newer GM vehicles are very easy to get into the relearn mode without a scan tool. Still need the TPMS tool.
Also when I worked at a dealer during college, we had to do TPMS relearns on GM vehicles after tire tire rotations. Same on the Hondas using the ABS TPMS system. The Hondas that used actual sensors didn’t need a relearn after rotation.
I have a 2008 Pontiac G8, & it has a highline system. You can see the pressures for individual wheels. A PITA when the batteries go dead in the sensors. Hello from Phoenix Arizona!🔥
I had TPS on my tape deck in my 67 Mustang, oh TPMS... Yeah we just looked at the tires. My Toyota always has that tire light on even after i reset it.
If the system goes it’s expensive if a sensor goes out, easy fix. Doesn’t it tell you what pressure the tires should be inside the door or driver's manual?
Great video explanation, I have an 07 Acura TL and my system went crazy one day and I recently had my tires rotated and the sensors are back on point. Don't know why but I'm glad to have that error light off my dash.
Almost sounds easier to trade trucks to me................what a bunch of crap!!!!!!!!! Had a lot of trucks without all this high tech crap, I always just looked at my tires in my pretrip
Firestone charged me $75 for a single sensor in my HHR. Much prefer an indirect TPMS system like my Taurus has. It just uses the ABS sensors to compare wheel spin to find a low tire. It's not nearly as accurate as a direct system but it's way cheaper to maintain and does the job just fine.
$340!!! Great if you want to do this for a living. Otherwise, for about $180 can find a bluetooth OBD-to-smartphone tool that does TPMS diagnostics, tells you what on the system needs replaced, AND other systems as their in-the-box base model, AND patches available to custom tune performance. Do 15 mins of research, and get way, WAY more for half the price.
The TPMS on my Subie has worked fine since I got it (touch wood) but the one on the Jeeps my brother and his family own and have owned have never worked. Always broken.
For me, i just put some air on the tires…when put an air on the default 30psi…it still shows. Thats why i made it 32psi. Once i put 32psi…then drive it to work…the tpms was gone.
I have 1 of my tires / wheels that won't beep..the right rear..I bought 1 of the EL-50448 hand held sensore to try to beep and still won't so in order to fix it I have to do like you here in this video.
Hi. So i have 4 New sensors put in my rims. Now i will use the autel ts508wf Tool same way like you but no sensor will detect...... all 4 new sensors....... what is the problem? Autel service say, only sensors from autel will be programming .... all sensors 433mhz.
Great Video, how about showing how you remove a failed sensors from the wheel instead of just saying how to remove the sensor. I ask that because I tried to remove even a good Autel mx sensor and when I pulled using the same tool you were showing, it actually ripped the inside part of the valve right off the valve stem. What I'm saying is there's no way your pulling those valve stems out of the rims from the outside of the rim just the same way your pulling as you would if you were installing the valve stem. The inside part of the valve stem lip against the rim is just way to big to go through the rim hole.... So please show how you remove them....thanks.
My warning light came on. Looked in the manual, scrolled down to settings, driver assist and sorted. I later found out the dealer had changed a tyre and not reset the light. Check this before spending any cash. Some folk may not be aware of this fix.
Most of the tpms tools dont work and its possible you end up spending more for a cheap fix. Just bring it to the dealership and they will charge for it but it will be fixed or replaced problem solved. Instead of frustration money talks.
for anyone trying to fix TPMS on a LEXUS you HAVE to buy the oem ones which are like 100$ each from the dealer otherwise they will not sync with your Lexus. I wasted 3 sets from eBay claiming OEM and while they did work (meaning car detected them , programmed etc and light went away) BUT they did not show the actual PSI of the each tire on my dash. I ended up buying 4 OEM TPMS sensors from Lexus for about ~400, got them installed, programmeded and the PSI started showing on the dash again. Lexus makes everything easy except dealing with the TPMS sensors lol
Its just a mandated scam to charge you for a system repair that you dont need. There may be some vehs or applications where they MJGHT be useful, but most times unnecessary.
A sensor for my 2008 Mazda is $140. I am absolutely not going to continue chasing these goddamn things going wrong every few months. I was REALLY REALLY hoping this was a video about how to disable the stupid system. I'm all for safety but when the light has been on for 7 years it's just not really helping much.
Why don't the auto manufacturers fit a sensor on the spare? All they'd have to do is re-engineer the computer so the spare can be on any corner without the computer throwing the toys out of the pram. Without a sensor, the spare causes the computer to give up on displaying pressures from the remaining 3 good sensors and just displays a message such as "sensor fault".
Not just the tire shop, the dealer. On the 350Z only the dealer can reprogram. At their out of control prices. I don't believe in TPMS, if they want to do something, make people use their signal lights. They have been on cars since forever and people still can't get it., Mine didn't work right from the dealer (brand new car). It also had an issue : in Florida, on cold days (as cold as it gets here) it would mark all tires as low. Of course, once you drive they warm up and pressure is fine. But if you are not aware, you might add air to the "low" tires to then have over-inflation when they warm up. This was 2003, they might have come a long way since, or not. But you see, it is easy : get a tire machine, get two computers, easy.. so you can check the tire pressure on your car.
I remember the good ole days when you didn't have all this nanny stuff and you took off and hit the first corner, understeer took over and you wrapped it around a tree...the end.
Yeah those good old days when a fender bender could kill you and cars lasted 100k miles if you were lucky. I think I miss the rust the most. Cars were so much better back in the good old days
poopsmcgee2k6 Big boats from the mid '70s that had 165 hp and enough plumbing to build a public housing project...
Crumple zones? Not for "Real Men". Who needs stability control, I want the back end to come around...ha!
if you cant tell a tire is real low you shouldnt be driving
Vive la 1990s era Ford Explorers and their shredded Firestone tires...
...that forced the TPMS sensor upon the entire country!
@Jbog07 my 98 integra 4 speed auto gets near 32mpg the new ones are close to that and few will last 22+ years with the turbo and cvt
JR, I love you and this comes from the heart. Really enjoyed the lesson on TPMS sensors. Learned some stuff! What I missed, and what I wanted to see, was you fishing those bits of broken sensor out of that tire and working some magic to keep the tire machine from breaking the new sensor. In summary, show don't tell. Please and thank you.
For the record, you can also use the TS508 to write TPMS sensor IDs straight from the tool via the OBD II cable and Advanced mode.
Only to Autel TPMS MX sensors. Not that it's a bad thing, just know you can't buy the sensors at the dealer. Unless they sell Autel MX sensors that is.
Which tool can one use to rewrite tpms hex id's on cheap tpms sensors?
@@Roosterfishh Hard to say. If it's a cheap direct-fit TPMS sensor, you can't rewrite them. If you're talking about something from NAPA Echlin's OE-Match, you will need at least an Ateq VT37.
Like I said, it's hard to say. Especially with a variety of direct-fit aftermarket sensors available in the marketplace.
I'm going to chime in here with an updated answer.
Having used Autel's TPMS tool (and their TPMS sensors for awhile), I highly recommend staying away from the Autel TPMS MX sensors!
The MX sensors are flakey, and crap out on you often, leaving you to wonder if your tires are flat or if it's Autel's sensors playing tricks on you.
Here's what I recommend you do instead: Get pre-programmed TPMS OEM sensors (which are sold at dealers and stores like Rock Auto). You can install those, activate them (via instructions that come with the sensors), then have the Autel tool read the sensors and program those into the onboard computer via the OBD II port.
I love the tool, but those sensors are baaaaaaaaad.
The TPMS on our dodge has an aluminum valve stem - it snaps right off at the hole in the rim. A real pain..
This was very cool to see. This has always been a tell a the shop "Yeah I want TPMS" thing, and never actually saw how it worked and was installed and configured. Great stuff!!!
Second extremely helpful video of yours that I learned from and did/will implement on my own car! Thanks! (First one was the GDI cleaner video)
When it's no longer the number one sensor fail of all time. I might learn to like it too. Heck I might even learn to like O2 sensors!
If you have a TPMS in your car but it only has a warning light. Is there a kit where you can see the pressure data on a separate screen?
Link to the Titan sensor?
It does slow down the "new car - throw rubberband tire deeezzz onnit" impulse.
Where is the aftermarket to just send a good signal to the car...i got a $1 tire gauge. Tpms unnecessary.
Personally i hate tpms and find it annoying and needlessly expensive. I check my tire pressure regularly. I wish there were a way to shut it off for people like me.
I work in a tire shop. I couldn't agree more.
Because they sell cars like candies, not educating people the maintenance, the care needed. To make profits the wrong way, is also to make people uneducated, to make people more dependable on others like dealers,shops, and etc... At the end, most people who drives are busy, have minimal knowledge on the safety maintenance of tires and cars, causing danger to self and others on the road. Temporary solution is to create more cost for consumers like TPMS, more waste for the environements as its one time use while new laws keep on placing the burden back on individuals vs back on the system . 🎉
You can skip it from the ECU Application, but think about insurance. They'll refuse any payments in case of an accident, once proven they were not connected or red by the board computer of the car. And they know well how this could be investigated.
I hate it.
How to fix TPMS issues yourself:
Step 1- Buy a tire machine...
Haha I think someone is becoming out of touch we don't have access to garage lifts, tools, or scanners.
@@chrispartridge3080 Don't need any of that stuff, get a new set of sensors and indicator on Ebay for about $25. They screw onto the valve stems in place of the caps and you are all set!
@@chrispartridge3080 @WatchJRGo I agree this is BS. I'm a big DIY guy, but I have a small house and kids with a bunch of crap and a 2-car garage that actually park 2 cars in! The last thing I have room for is a tire machine, so I'm stuck going to a tire shop no matter how "easy" it is to fix a TPMS sensor with all the right tools. (I actually prefer to just pull my wheels off and take them to the tire shop so I don't have to leave my truck there and then bum a ride home or wait like an idiot, but that's beside the point.) And what happened to the Audi BTW? You put the turbos on 3 months ago and now its not in your garage anymore? No one cares if you want to fly planes. We came here because we like to fix cars too.
HaHa
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It aint easy, but I use this tool to replace TPMS sensors at home. Break the bead, pry the tire down and swap out the TPMS sensor. You need 3 hands.
"...Not that big of a deal!" Hmm, it seems an unnecessary hassle to me, full of fails and sensors that won't talk to the car. All sensors should use a single universal protocol and all cars should autodetect with a single command.
I imagine they dont because the computers would mess up anytime u got close to another car and the signals interfere
I'd rather know how to disable or turn off the TPMS.... I have a 2009 Police Crown Victoria and the damned light comes on every time I drive the car for more than 30 minutes at a time. It just doesn't work and I'm about to pull the cluster out and paint over the light.
Tpms is just another Gov mandated accessory that should be an option, they regularly fail and at 30 to 100 dollars to have fixed each it's much cheaper to buy a tire pressure gauge and check yourself 3 or 4 times a year! Especially if they dont tell you what pressure is required!
I thought it was the acronym for "Temporary" PMS....which doesn't exist to my knowledge.
TPMs in my 09 grand Cherokee hasn’t worked properly since 2011. The sensors just never sync up. It’s a shame.
Susan curran Very true
My car doesnt have it and I never miss it, unnecesary complication
yeah i have none as well. never needed it.
Some cars also use the abs wheel speed sensor to see what's going flat
ive seen that on many VW and BMW cars
When I first started watching John Ross, I felt like he was a great value Hoovie. But now that I've followed his channel for a while, I have respect for his hustle to upload good content frequently and for being himself through the process
JohnRoss has less schtick than Hoovie. I wish I had had half his knowledge and energy.
I like how VW does TPMS with the ABS sensors instead of the sensors inside the tires.
That's what my Taurus has too and I much prefer it.
Yeah, there are several ways to meet the Federal requirements. I had a Honda Accord that used the ABS sensors to detect differences in the RPM of the tires. You get a lot more functionality out of sensors, but I'd rather it just be seamless and maintenance-free. I put snow tires on my Jeep a few years ago and had to get 4 new sensors for the winter wheels. It was an annoying hassle.
So your abs sensor outside the tyre can read pressure inside the tyre? That doesn't sound right. they might use the abs system to collect data but not detect pressure - unless it measures wheel speed rotation? Hadn't thought of that?
Andrew Crome it doesn’t read the pressure, just compares the differences in rotation between the four wheels.
My Alfa Romeo does that too. You need to recalibrate if you alter the tyre pressure.
My 2019 Ford Fiesta SE has the light and says the tire is low. However, it doesn't say which tire is low. Which is not a big deal to me because i have a tire pressure gauge that I use and just air up the low tire
Please, “life saving”.How did we ever survive for so many years, millions of automobiles driving down the road with no TPMS. How did we ever survive , Lol
For motorcycles I can see it being a help but otherwise they're a nuisance at best, I've never had one car where they could all agree or work right
Non car people dont fill or check the tyre pressure thats why they are important. A moron next to you on the highway having a blowout and side swiping you is not nice
@@sys-administrator my Lexus GS has no issues with TPMS lol
How to fix a TPMS light on a 08 Forester...remove cluster, take out TPMS lamp bulb, reinstall cluster, check tires regularly like your suppose to, and enjoy not having the annoying light on the dash.
The tmos units have 10 year batteries. Some last longer some shorter. My 2009 Honda Crv had 1 bad battery after 9 years, I knew I needed to change tires next year. The following year I got new tires and new temps aftermarket sensors from eBay, 4 for $44(total not each) had Discount tire install and program. They had no problem with these aftermarket sensors and didn’t charge for installation or programming. Tires were ones I wanted at a good price.
The most logical comment I ever read on UA-cam .
my TPMS in my 2017 KIA does not show the pressure but tells one is low but not which one.
TPMS is rubbish they never last and alway fail
It's annoying and far from cheap. In Norway the price is 450$ for 4 sensors.
I was trained you always go through the rubber sidewall of the tire not the metal rim. This is by kaltire the biggest tire company in the world
just imagine driving along when all of a sudden your car tells you that your spare, which is in the trunk, is low 🤔🤔
Thats actually pretty cool. When you need the spare you know it will be ready
"Tool is relatively inexpensive." -> Clicks the link. ....... Eyes widen. holy shit! What is your version of relatively inexpensive? $400 is not relatively inexpensive. It's flat out expensive. $150 is "relatively inexpensive."
And that tool will probably only program one specific brand of sensor? Every thing is so proprietary regarding this stuff unless you get a $1000+ SnapOn programmer.
Very informative and notification squad
Always early squad 💪
When ever I used to work for ford, I had a customer come in one time that ask me if I can get rid of the TPMS sensor lights, well previously I had been messing with their computer on new vehicle just to kind of look at what all it can do, so I gave it a shot. I hooked up the computer to his truck and I set the minimum maximum psi for his tires to be 1PSI by doing so the light never came on.
Pro tip; a tire pressure gauge can also be used to check tire pressures.
Tpms is a no brainier these days. For $30 I can read real time tire pressure and temperature on all four wheels continuously, set audible and visual warnings for thresholds. It's a huge safety feature improvement while driving on the road. There's no second guessing or any hesitation if you spring a leak or blow a tire while driving.
@@anonypersona3189 Where can you buy a TPMS diagnostic/programming tool for $30?
Yeah, a good universal programmer like a SnapOn is over $1000 + $300ish for 12 month software license.
Thank you !!!!!!
Agreed😂
Tpms is thanks to ford and firestone with the Wilderness at tires that were blowing and flipping them and killing people. Firestone and ford blamed it on tire pressures and not the crap tires firestone built
TPMS will never save my life... no matter how many times I replace the stupid things all my dash says is service TPMS... it’s ridiculous 😂.
My experience as well. Since the dealer my 350Z had an issue with it's brand new system. NEVER got resolved, and I got tired of it. Another move to add cost to our cars. If you are going to mandate the use of it, mandate the car makers to make it work.
Idk works fine on hondas
Like I commented above, it has never worked right in my Toyota. Not worth the cost of fixing. I just ignore the light that has been on for 8 years and just check the tires with a manual gauge.
Hey just $225 so I can get rid of a light.
And save you from running on a true low pressure tire that crashes the car at high speed.
My 2008 Ram 3500 does not have it because it is a 1 Ton truck and those weren't mandated until 2009 for some reason. My 2006 Tundra had it and it never worked properly so I ended up "fixing" it by covering the blinking light with tape
TPMS is great. When it works. In my Fit it's simply the light in my dash I ignore now. The whole thing is rigged to get you back to the dealership IMHO. There has to be a better design rather than this crap they have now.
Maybe in 20 years, if enough people complain, they will make it less proprietary, the tools will be cheaper and the sensors won't be so crappy. I can't imagine the industry will make these changes unless they are forced by the government.
Hate TPMS -
If you can't afford multi-$1000 scan tools you are stuck guessing. My granddaughter's car kept showing TPMS warning, which stressed her out terribly. She would have the tire pressure checked and all four tires were fine, but the warning would remain. I happened to mention this to the counter man at AutoZone when I was buying some oil. He suggested to check the spare, and sure enough, it was almost flat. Nowhere in the manual does it say the spare remains part of the active TPMS while you are driving. Most people give no thought to the spare tire until they have a flat.
PSA: If you’re DIY, and have an at home, manual tire machine, PLEASE for the love of god treat every tire as if it has a sensor. NEVER break the bead right at the valve stem.
Here what i want to know ... how do i just get it out of my cars computer so i don’t have to look at the warning light anymore
You don't. You either put tape over the light, or remove the LED/bulb.
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Or just replace the damned sensors. Or deal with the light.
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Some cars allow programming in all zeroes for the sensor IDs for a bit, but will still throw the light later.
I hate tmps sensores in Canada they are usually 80 bucks plus labour a tire
Very informative. You'd be surprised how often the sensors are the source of a leak.
Another great video JR, but could you go back to showing us how to do it without access to a fully equipped commercial garage? $20K tire machines make it easy, but a lot of us are still using 2x4s or ratchet bead breakers at home. Thanks
Well shucks... all you need is the $300+ programming tool (which will only program one specific brand of sensor), and a $40 harbor freight manual tire machine.
Or when you buy your sensors try getting them pre-programmed from the seller for your specific vehicle.
If you are too stupid to need TPMS to tell if your tires are low on pressure, you don't need to be driving at all. Your preflight should be enough to tell you. Checking pressures often with a calibrated gauge is all you need.
Looking at your vehicle's condition is important every time you drive. These damn things aren't appliances.
Yeah, no shit. Unfortunately it’s mandatory in newer vehicles and most people don’t like staring at a dumbass tpms light on their dash
But what happens when you replace the TPMS already but it still says service TPMS after you drove it for couple of days?
There's one more type of TPMS and that's indirect TPMS. Indirect uses the vehicle's ABS / wheel speed sensors to monitor each wheel's rotation count/speed. When one of them has a variation in their rotation count compared to the other wheels, it will will trigger the TPMS (tire) light in the dash because a low tire pressure will cause the wheel speed to change and the TPMS indirectly detects that via the ABS / wheel speed sensors. The other type being "direct" (what you're showing in this video) where there are sensors in each wheel that report the pressure to the TPMS subsystem of the vehicle. I agree having an Autel TPMS tools is a great thing to have. I use my Autel MaxiTPMS TS601 far more than I thought I would when I purchased it. I enjoy watching your videos!
Thought JR had a trick to fix TPMS. Watched video and now hate TPMS more than ever.
Does the nut torque from a new TPMS service set depend on the sensor you are installing a new set? Or that torque is the same for any TPMS Service Kit, which fits on that sensor?
For example, the original TPMS sensor require 65 in-lbs (2009 Nissan Sentra), but new service kit for the nut
included in that set gives 35 in-lbs. I didn't look before on the packet of the service kit and installed w/63 in-lbs. The car
was driving perfectly fine like for 2 years. Now I'm replacing the wheels and moving the TPMS sensors fm old wheels to
the new ones. I'm replacing the service kit items of course (nut, washer, gasket, and Schrader Valve). Here it came to
my attention the printed value of the nut torque on the small packet for the new kit (35 in-lbs). So I don't know what
torque to apply 65, 35 or smth in between (especially as everything was fine and with 63). I inspected the previous old
service kit nuts, which were used for 2 years, and which were under 63 in-lbs instead of 35, they were fine, no hairline
cracks on them. I would appreciate any opinions on this matter.
I really dislike TPMS.
But I am that guy that checks the tire pressure every week.
I like to check and top-up the tire pressure regularly because I love to have a good dynamic on my car (pressure gives you better cornering dynamic, as the tires do not squeeze as much), because the I have a more comfortable even on speed bumps, gives me better fuel economy, and my tires last longer.
Why do I dislike TPMS?
Because it is either (1) a bad solution, or (2) a expensive solution.
(1) There are systems which uses the wheel rotation sensor, from the ABS / TCS / ESP system (Anti-lock Braking System, Traction Control System, Electronic Stability Programme).
These systems are not very reliable in terms of the pressure that it outputs, because, if you have 2 tires, or even the all 4 tires, really low, the system usually do not check it.
Moreover, as said in the video, these systems check the tire pressure occasionally, thus, for those which start their car and go straight to a highway at 60 mph, the system may not check the tire pressure on time.
Yes, it is good. But not enough.
(2) The cars which have the TPMS sensor in each wheel rim are a pain.
Not only increases the price of changing a tire, but also increase the complexity involved in this task.
I see many people postponing the tire change due to this increased price - which is way worse that the risk of having a low tire.
Moreover, this also increase the investment a shop has to make, thus, this cost passes on to the consumer.
This is very bad!
I am all for improvements, especially in security.
But this system requires too much maintenance, and for very low improvement.
Just like brake pad sensors... Which only increase the price of a brake change.
Dude, you just said "I am that guy that checks the tire pressure every week."
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TPMS checks it every MINUTE.
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It's also there for the VAST majority of owners who DON'T maintain their cars.
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As for shop investment, give me a break - they've been required for nearly FIFTEEN YEARS, if a shop hasn't updated their tire equipment in that time, they probably scratch the hell out of most aluminum rims with some dinosaur machine.
@@TheTalonts I know I am not a "regular driver", and not a "typical driver".
That is why I said that, because it is a disclaimer.
I check the tire pressure every week, because I love to have a good dynamic car, better fuel economy, and to have long lasting tires - that is why I invest on Michelin tires.
As I said, not only (1) the TPMS is not always correct in assessing the tire pressure, but also (2) the value is not correct (except on those high-end S-Class / 7-Series cars).
Thus, I prefer to check the tire pressure weekly.
Regarding shop investment: never forget that it is you who pays.
And, more system, equals more investment; which will be reflected on your receipt.
Moreover, the TPMS is not equal on all OEMs, thus, more investment for a mechanic / tire shop.
Regarding your "15 years", shops had to make very other investments, that is why you pay sometimes double per hour what you paid 20 years ago.
But yes, I agree with your point: this is for those driver who not take care of their cars.
Just like: maintenance reminder, ABS, TCS, ESP, etc...
That is why cars are a lot more expensive than before, in both purchasing and maintaining.
There is another system that measures pressure loss with the hall sensors from the abs/esp, if it notices that one tire is slightly rotating faster due to the decreased circumference it knows that this wheel needs to be checked , it’s a simple system but I like it , it’s better than not knowing that you’ll have a big problem soon 😄👍🏻
I saw a post on a car forum I was on like 10+ years ago. He took his tpms sensors out. Bought a small wheel barrow pneumatic tire and tossed all 4 sensors in and filled it up to like 40psi (or whatever the vehicle required to turn the light off) and tossed it in the trunk. Never dealt with them again, was able to run several tire set ups. Also another guy built one out of pvc pipes and drilled a hole and put a valve core thru. Sensors inside, cap it off and add air.
Could you do instructional videos for how to use the tire machines?
Every tire machine is different, the basic ones maybe, but there are different levels of automation in the new ones. The Revolution literally does it all for you 🍻
A tire machine is something you need to be trained for. It won't be enough just watching a You Tube video. Changing a tire can be really dangerous.
Awesome, so shopping list, $390 scanner, tire machine, all the sensors you can find to hopefully find one that works, oh what's that, the lights still on. Simply outstanding. I remember when people used youtube to post videos when they actually figured something out or had some tech to share.
1 Phone chargers can Interfere with tpms
2 autel tool only program their sensors
3 gm, ford, audi, vw, BMW probably forgetting a few manufacturers can be put into tpms learn mode through the dash
4 some sensors lock out and can not be programmed to with vehicle info once installed and aired up I program them then test them then install
I'm proud of you son!
Im from Canada and its not a requirement to have tpms in Canada but i bought a car from usa and there was some TPMS on it and i totally agree TPMS Sucks this is the worst cheap gadget ever and its quite expensive you need to have it on all the 4 wheels you need a tpms professional reset tool + a odb2 scanner to reset it and here in Canada you need a set of summer tire and a set of winter tire but let me tell you its way less expensive to install a good old valve but dam its annoying to hear the bip noice and the tpms light on the dashboard i only wish i could unplug that thing from my honda pilot touring even if its sometime usefull to see the tire pressure i could get ride of those sensor and life without it..
The shit is too proprietary and the tools too expensive, yes. If there were good cheap universal sensors that weren't dead straight out of the box and the diagnostic tools were cheap, that would be a different story.
Try Kia here is the royal pain in the $&@ in 2013 -2017 Kia souls.
Here is why the sensors are locked to the radio Bluetooth system.
Now imagine the radio fails in your car or a fuse burns out your car goes into limp mode and the service engine light comes on and the tpms kicks on it’s light on the 2013 soul it also blows the throttle body sensor have fun that’s a 200.00 part alone
I remember on my Nissan and my VW, the Tpms light was nearly always on whatever I would do fix it. what a crappy system.
How often did you relearn it?
What Nissan? My Quest has one that no longer functions, I use a tire Guage so don't care if they work at all. I am old school and always be.
I find it a LOT easier to program the sensor before I install it
Yep, I did that for my MIL's car - programmed them, then pressed each to make sure I got a pressure reading. Then when she got the new tires installed, they just swapped them in and they were ready to go.
Newer Honda sedans use ABS for their TPMS system. Not a fan of that setup. Newer GM vehicles are very easy to get into the relearn mode without a scan tool. Still need the TPMS tool.
Also when I worked at a dealer during college, we had to do TPMS relearns on GM vehicles after tire tire rotations. Same on the Hondas using the ABS TPMS system. The Hondas that used actual sensors didn’t need a relearn after rotation.
12:08 what if I live on the east coast?
Did I miss something or did the truck get a paint job from white to black??
We wrapped it black and ceramic coated it right after I got it! 🍻
I have a 2008 Pontiac G8, & it has a highline system. You can see the pressures for individual wheels. A PITA when the batteries go dead in the sensors.
Hello from Phoenix Arizona!🔥
Had a G6 2008 with high line sensors as well! When one failed and I found out a new one was $70+ I decided to just deal with the yellow light 🙃
@@Ammut6 Somebody found a way to make a $1.00 tire pressure valve cost $70.00. Somebody made a lot of money on that system.
@@mexicanspec they sure did! Which is why I turned it down and saved myself $70
I’m here before the video loaded how is this possible!
🧙♂️ magic!
I had TPS on my tape deck in my 67 Mustang, oh TPMS... Yeah we just looked at the tires. My Toyota always has that tire light on even after i reset it.
could try something new, like replacing it
If the system goes it’s expensive if a sensor goes out, easy fix. Doesn’t it tell you what pressure the tires should be inside the door or driver's manual?
He means it tells you what the tire pressure is at the moment in your tires.
Great video explanation, I have an 07 Acura TL and my system went crazy one day and I recently had my tires rotated and the sensors are back on point. Don't know why but I'm glad to have that error light off my dash.
Ha! Do doo 2:48
Almost sounds easier to trade trucks to me................what a bunch of crap!!!!!!!!! Had a lot of trucks without all this high tech crap, I always just looked at my tires in my pretrip
Firestone charged me $75 for a single sensor in my HHR. Much prefer an indirect TPMS system like my Taurus has. It just uses the ABS sensors to compare wheel spin to find a low tire. It's not nearly as accurate as a direct system but it's way cheaper to maintain and does the job just fine.
Camouflage on his bike just makes the bike even MORE hideous looking.
I think he said once before why he wrapped it in camouflage. I don't remember why though. @watchjrgo
Thanks for the shit show Ford, Firestone and mechanically incompetent drivers
Inexpensive ?
250$ for a full set in Canada
Plus they probably charge for install and programming too.
$340!!! Great if you want to do this for a living. Otherwise, for about $180 can find a bluetooth OBD-to-smartphone tool that does TPMS diagnostics, tells you what on the system needs replaced, AND other systems as their in-the-box base model, AND patches available to custom tune performance. Do 15 mins of research, and get way, WAY more for half the price.
Unrelated, I saw this on Craigslist in Canada... a Mercury LN7! I’ll try to attach an image.
Can’t
@@michealknox5554 you could add a link to the listing in a comment tho.
The TPMS on my Subie has worked fine since I got it (touch wood) but the one on the Jeeps my brother and his family own and have owned have never worked. Always broken.
Witchcraft I say...it’s witchcraft
It sucks.....BIG TIME
For me, i just put some air on the tires…when put an air on the default 30psi…it still shows. Thats why i made it 32psi. Once i put 32psi…then drive it to work…the tpms was gone.
I have 1 of my tires / wheels that won't beep..the right rear..I bought 1 of the EL-50448 hand held sensore to try to beep and still won't so in order to fix it I have to do like you here in this video.
Hi. So i have 4 New sensors put in my rims. Now i will use the autel ts508wf Tool same way like you but no sensor will detect...... all 4 new sensors....... what is the problem? Autel service say, only sensors from autel will be programming .... all sensors 433mhz.
" The More You Know" ( insert Rainbow Twinkle Star here )
That's a donut media staple.
In the good old days people were not so lazy and checked there tyres regularly, just plain fuckn lazyness
Great Video, how about showing how you remove a failed sensors from the wheel instead of just saying how to remove the sensor. I ask that because I tried to remove even a good Autel mx sensor and when I pulled using the same tool you were showing, it actually ripped the inside part of the valve right off the valve stem. What I'm saying is there's no way your pulling those valve stems out of the rims from the outside of the rim just the same way your pulling as you would if you were installing the valve stem. The inside part of the valve stem lip against the rim is just way to big to go through the rim hole.... So please show how you remove them....thanks.
My warning light came on. Looked in the manual, scrolled down to settings, driver assist and sorted. I later found out the dealer had changed a tyre and not reset the light. Check this before spending any cash. Some folk may not be aware of this fix.
What does it mean when pressure is correct but get a TPMS SENSOR ERROR triggered after 18 mi drive. Everyday.
Most of the tpms tools dont work and its possible you end up spending more for a cheap fix. Just bring it to the dealership and they will charge for it but it will be fixed or replaced problem solved. Instead of frustration money talks.
for anyone trying to fix TPMS on a LEXUS you HAVE to buy the oem ones which are like 100$ each from the dealer otherwise they will not sync with your Lexus. I wasted 3 sets from eBay claiming OEM and while they did work (meaning car detected them , programmed etc and light went away) BUT they did not show the actual PSI of the each tire on my dash.
I ended up buying 4 OEM TPMS sensors from Lexus for about ~400, got them installed, programmeded and the PSI started showing on the dash again.
Lexus makes everything easy except dealing with the TPMS sensors lol
Its just a mandated scam to charge you for a system repair that you dont need.
There may be some vehs or applications where they MJGHT be useful, but most times unnecessary.
Prius: AFAIK, some sensors only go active if moving and/or pressure changes. Saves the battery!
Mine works fine. When my sensors died, I had them replaced. Now they work again.
A sensor for my 2008 Mazda is $140. I am absolutely not going to continue chasing these goddamn things going wrong every few months. I was REALLY REALLY hoping this was a video about how to disable the stupid system. I'm all for safety but when the light has been on for 7 years it's just not really helping much.
Why can't they make these sensors work of kinetic energy - changing the sensor after battery dies is horrible without tire machine.
Why don't the auto manufacturers fit a sensor on the spare? All they'd have to do is re-engineer the computer so the spare can be on any corner without the computer throwing the toys out of the pram. Without a sensor, the spare causes the computer to give up on displaying pressures from the remaining 3 good sensors and just displays a message such as "sensor fault".
Not just the tire shop, the dealer. On the 350Z only the dealer can reprogram. At their out of control prices. I don't believe in TPMS, if they want to do something, make people use their signal lights. They have been on cars since forever and people still can't get it., Mine didn't work right from the dealer (brand new car). It also had an issue : in Florida, on cold days (as cold as it gets here) it would mark all tires as low. Of course, once you drive they warm up and pressure is fine. But if you are not aware, you might add air to the "low" tires to then have over-inflation when they warm up. This was 2003, they might have come a long way since, or not. But you see, it is easy : get a tire machine, get two computers, easy.. so you can check the tire pressure on your car.
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@@WatchJRGo Great love your show
That's such a stupid feature, its battery dies after 5 years, then we have to spend money to replace it.