I’d like to mention one of my favorite lines in the base game. In Eunie’s side story X says “I was told Nopon weren’t supposed to interfere. I guess they were wrong.” or something similar. This fits very well with the theory that they’re somehow exempt from the rules for one reason or another.
Interesting vid and I like your theories! I do think it's kinda funny to think that there are a bunch of "immortal" Nopon infesting Aionios and Moebius can't be bothered to do anything about them.
@@miscalotastuff733may or not be related, but I have two theories regarding why Bionis and Alrest share some species/fauna 1) as pneuma and logos gathered info from blades which gathered info of species and evolution and Ontos received feedback/info from those two. 2) as Zanza is Klaus' soul and Klaus was somewhat awarw of what was happening on the other side (and he received info from the master blades/aegises). Maybe Zanza received some of that or shared certain but limited thoughts, and he, as the Bionis, (re)creates those species that were evolving in Alrest.
It seems like most of the nopon we see were born in Aionios and operate under the same rules as the city folk, barring any connection to Ouroboros. It's just the seven legendary nopon blacksmiths who were immortals and had their ages hidden in the base game, Burrburr of course being one of them.
I just assumed the reason why not everyone got assimilated into origin was mostly due to an error or glitch within the system due to Z taking control. The reason why the nopons are there, imo, was mostly on Melia part on freeing them before getting capture by Moebius. I could be wrong but it most logical head canon i got.
What we can see in the base game about Nopons is that they were bot united as before, they either work with Agnus and Keves or split into different caravans. Maybe as the Frontier Village tree was poisoned and we can oonly see the remains of it (platforms, houses, riki's grave). I would like to think that Moebius didnt consider them a threat after dividing them (divide and conquer). Maybe due to the grave, Riki died there in a last stand when Moebius wasnt in full control yet. Melia could have freed them and then this happened, but I don't know about the Alrest Nopons.
Just found your channel, and i must say its really an hidden gem. I really like the theory that the worlds were rotating, makes sense, since at the end of the day they were two planets with their own gravitational pull.
Even of he was a Machina-hom hybrid, his lifespan should still surpass that of the average homs. Nia used the term human with Mio, so I wonder if they used the term human before Aionios in Bionis and Alrest. As a way to keep the people more united/less racist?
@UCkWhR3h_gXemS2i38pZchyg well, Sena notices and mentions the patterns on Lanz's arms and a sidequest related to teach's teachers in colony gamma mentions how Lanz has a difgerent kind of tissue/skin that is tougher, built different (+ mentioning that Eunie's wings may be involved in how the high Entia process ether)
@@imperfectworks7064 Do we even know if Homs genes shorten an interracial Machina-Hom’s lifespan? It doesn’t necessarily have to work like Half-Elves in D&D. IIRC High Entia-Homs mixed people in XC1 had ages in line with their pure High Entia brethren, like Melia’s (88y) half-brother Kallian (151y) is more pure and was almost double her age and clearly appeared much more physically mature than her. But to be fair, this may be a case of stretching genetics for Machina as at least High Entia and Homs shared a Titan, so diversified genetic immunity at this separation wasn’t going to hurt them (IRL genetically diverse humans from across the globe have better health), whereas a Bionis native and Mechonis descendant can certainly bear children, but could be like the Half-Elves mentioned earlier. We don’t really know as Homs-Machina (or a Mr. Worldwide mix of Homs-Machina-High Entia) only became a thing as contact became a thing late into XC1’s storyline if Shulk and party are attentively doing the Colony 6 reconstruction project* at the earliest. *which most certainly must be canon, I hope, as I believe in series w/ one ending (or has a “true” ending) that the player completing all the side quests is canon unless proven otherwise. Kingdom Hearts kind of does this as KH2 acknowledges Sora doing all of the optional Colosseum tournaments which I didn’t do because I sucked at that style of action RPG to be confident.
@@imperfectworks7064 Oh sorry I deleted that comment on Lanz’s Machina traits (or somebody like Valdi) because I didn’t like my reply’s “quality”, but you bring up a good example, thank you.
@@corrinflakes9659 I hope its canon, those Black Liver Beans were hard to find. Maybe its the town we see in the opening of XC3 but evolved? As Colony 9 is in the right side of Bionis head and Alcamoth was on the left side in the flashbacks. MAYBE, as Machina kids used ti grow in mobile craddles, the first generation of homs-machina hybrids were conceived in that way as those species didn't have compatible organs in that regard.
Great video! I think the protagonists aren't part of the cycle because they weren't afraid of the future, since that is the thing that created and powers Moebius in the first place. Especially after fighting so hard for their futures during the events of their games. The main party of xenoblade 3 also learns to not be afraid of the future during the final battle as well.
Maybe to be assimilated in Origin you needed to be afraid and resonate with the Moebius wish (fear of uncertainty), like most of the population under that circumstances (no guarantee that origin would work or them recreated would be themselves or a copy). I imagine that asides from them, other XC1 and XC2 party members were not assimilated aswell and might have been hunted down by Moebius as they don't contribute to the flow. Or may have joined the lucky seven.
You know how Klaus mentioned that the residents of Morytha were sent everywhere after the world's split. What if they (and/or their decendents) began to be slung back into the original world. Couldn't that be an interesting 4th entry.
If I had to find a reason, Nia and Melia had the origin access key within them, the admin perms. Both Shulk and Rex were in contact and linked with the Trinity Processor before (Alvis A and Pneuma). The ones with no explanation are Linka, Panacea and Riku. Maybe some other previous party member in the early Aionios.
@@imperfectworks7064 Also interesting that Rex never met Dunban. It could be he was also in Aionios and died before the Liberators were formed or something else
There is a line from Linka I think, where she said origin didn't assimilated them correctly and maybe it was because they were supposed to fulfill a mission or something like that
nopon them self appear to have long life spans anyways to begin with. hard to say if the nopon sage of 9999+ years is something to consider or not, but it does seam likely that a couple of them could live through all the events of aionios, potentiolly with help of the situation of aionios. also i dont think we ever see a death of a nopon in aionios to see which type of death they have to compare to the other characters.
How do you then explain how shulk and rex were younger when they faced alvis as alpha ? Since they stated at one point they had a cease fire with Z, implying they have been fighting him for a while
They weren't younger, they had shorter hair and 2 eyes respectively. Their 3D models are identical except for the hair and eye. Even if aging stopped, they need to eat (taking animals life energy out of the flow in the process) and I guess thats why Shulk's hair grew. Rex's beard was already in the Alvis fight so no issue with him Indeed they have been fighting Moebius for a while, quite a while if we consider the amount of Noah's and Mio's that have been born by that time and Ghondor.
So if Panacea and Linka are 'immortal' or outside Moebius. What happened to them? Wouldn't they aid the main party if still alive, or did they die due to some circumstance. Does the game provide an answer?
We know their decendents at least, and how some houses have an alliance while others are rivals. I guess they eventually died in battle. As After the defeat of Alpha, the compact is done and Moebius would resume hunting them. Additionally, Ouroboros tech was still being worked on and it must have caught their attention, eye patches were not made yet.
Completely agree with your take on xc3's plot. Its good. Damn good. Moreso focusing on characters then lore. But lore is not non-existent. And your timeline where it seems to be missing another game seems dead on. I could totally see that being the warriors spin off.
@@imperfectworks7064I know I'm late to this party, but I would love to be able to read your script. I'm getting better at understanding your accent, but I'm much better at reading along with a theory than just watching the video. Sometimes the different pieces of the video (speech, cutscene, captions, still images, background music) can all interfere with my comprehension. I like to read over text multiple times to get the gist. But I also understand if you don't want to share it. So far I'm liking your videos, I'm going through them in release order. P.S. I'm not completely convinced about The Immortals theory. I think just Melia, Nia, and the 7 legendary Nopon do not age, or age slowly. I'm trying to piece together another theory. Mostly because Georgie and Giorgio throw a wrench into everything. 😢
@@imperfectworks7064 Cool! But it's not so bad now. I'm getting a lot better at comprehending your accent. I've watched 6 or 7 videos so far. The amount of detail and effort... it's just amazing! Well done 💖
I’d like to mention one of my favorite lines in the base game. In Eunie’s side story X says “I was told Nopon weren’t supposed to interfere. I guess they were wrong.” or something similar. This fits very well with the theory that they’re somehow exempt from the rules for one reason or another.
Interesting vid and I like your theories! I do think it's kinda funny to think that there are a bunch of "immortal" Nopon infesting Aionios and Moebius can't be bothered to do anything about them.
"The nopon are here" has a whole different meaning now
I always thought zanza had made the nopon for mayneth for something cute and silly.
@@miscalotastuff733may or not be related, but I have two theories regarding why Bionis and Alrest share some species/fauna
1) as pneuma and logos gathered info from blades which gathered info of species and evolution and Ontos received feedback/info from those two.
2) as Zanza is Klaus' soul and Klaus was somewhat awarw of what was happening on the other side (and he received info from the master blades/aegises). Maybe Zanza received some of that or shared certain but limited thoughts, and he, as the Bionis, (re)creates those species that were evolving in Alrest.
It seems like most of the nopon we see were born in Aionios and operate under the same rules as the city folk, barring any connection to Ouroboros. It's just the seven legendary nopon blacksmiths who were immortals and had their ages hidden in the base game, Burrburr of course being one of them.
I just assumed the reason why not everyone got assimilated into origin was mostly due to an error or glitch within the system due to Z taking control. The reason why the nopons are there, imo, was mostly on Melia part on freeing them before getting capture by Moebius. I could be wrong but it most logical head canon i got.
What we can see in the base game about Nopons is that they were bot united as before, they either work with Agnus and Keves or split into different caravans.
Maybe as the Frontier Village tree was poisoned and we can oonly see the remains of it (platforms, houses, riki's grave).
I would like to think that Moebius didnt consider them a threat after dividing them (divide and conquer). Maybe due to the grave, Riki died there in a last stand when Moebius wasnt in full control yet. Melia could have freed them and then this happened, but I don't know about the Alrest Nopons.
Just found your channel, and i must say its really an hidden gem. I really like the theory that the worlds were rotating, makes sense, since at the end of the day they were two planets with their own gravitational pull.
Much appreciated, as [insert name] said, better underrated that overrated.
People always mention how long High Entia live for but just imagine Lanz’s stolen lifespan as a Machina.
Even of he was a Machina-hom hybrid, his lifespan should still surpass that of the average homs.
Nia used the term human with Mio, so I wonder if they used the term human before Aionios in Bionis and Alrest. As a way to keep the people more united/less racist?
@UCkWhR3h_gXemS2i38pZchyg well, Sena notices and mentions the patterns on Lanz's arms and a sidequest related to teach's teachers in colony gamma mentions how Lanz has a difgerent kind of tissue/skin that is tougher, built different (+ mentioning that Eunie's wings may be involved in how the high Entia process ether)
@@imperfectworks7064 Do we even know if Homs genes shorten an interracial Machina-Hom’s lifespan? It doesn’t necessarily have to work like Half-Elves in D&D. IIRC High Entia-Homs mixed people in XC1 had ages in line with their pure High Entia brethren, like Melia’s (88y) half-brother Kallian (151y) is more pure and was almost double her age and clearly appeared much more physically mature than her. But to be fair, this may be a case of stretching genetics for Machina as at least High Entia and Homs shared a Titan, so diversified genetic immunity at this separation wasn’t going to hurt them (IRL genetically diverse humans from across the globe have better health), whereas a Bionis native and Mechonis descendant can certainly bear children, but could be like the Half-Elves mentioned earlier. We don’t really know as Homs-Machina (or a Mr. Worldwide mix of Homs-Machina-High Entia) only became a thing as contact became a thing late into XC1’s storyline if Shulk and party are attentively doing the Colony 6 reconstruction project* at the earliest.
*which most certainly must be canon, I hope, as I believe in series w/ one ending (or has a “true” ending) that the player completing all the side quests is canon unless proven otherwise. Kingdom Hearts kind of does this as KH2 acknowledges Sora doing all of the optional Colosseum tournaments which I didn’t do because I sucked at that style of action RPG to be confident.
@@imperfectworks7064 Oh sorry I deleted that comment on Lanz’s Machina traits (or somebody like Valdi) because I didn’t like my reply’s “quality”, but you bring up a good example, thank you.
@@corrinflakes9659 I hope its canon, those Black Liver Beans were hard to find. Maybe its the town we see in the opening of XC3 but evolved? As Colony 9 is in the right side of Bionis head and Alcamoth was on the left side in the flashbacks.
MAYBE, as Machina kids used ti grow in mobile craddles, the first generation of homs-machina hybrids were conceived in that way as those species didn't have compatible organs in that regard.
This was great!
Great video!
I think the protagonists aren't part of the cycle because they weren't afraid of the future, since that is the thing that created and powers Moebius in the first place. Especially after fighting so hard for their futures during the events of their games. The main party of xenoblade 3 also learns to not be afraid of the future during the final battle as well.
Maybe to be assimilated in Origin you needed to be afraid and resonate with the Moebius wish (fear of uncertainty), like most of the population under that circumstances (no guarantee that origin would work or them recreated would be themselves or a copy). I imagine that asides from them, other XC1 and XC2 party members were not assimilated aswell and might have been hunted down by Moebius as they don't contribute to the flow. Or may have joined the lucky seven.
You know how Klaus mentioned that the residents of Morytha were sent everywhere after the world's split. What if they (and/or their decendents) began to be slung back into the original world. Couldn't that be an interesting 4th entry.
Also mentioned that many people and many things were lost into far distant dimensions... maybe he was thinking on the ICARUS??
Artificial destiny you say? Do you think it might be possible to emancipate them beyond the Logos?
It's still a mystery as to why those characters weren't stored in Origin. My best guess is only children up to a certain aged were stored
If I had to find a reason, Nia and Melia had the origin access key within them, the admin perms.
Both Shulk and Rex were in contact and linked with the Trinity Processor before (Alvis A and Pneuma).
The ones with no explanation are Linka, Panacea and Riku. Maybe some other previous party member in the early Aionios.
@@imperfectworks7064 Also interesting that Rex never met Dunban. It could be he was also in Aionios and died before the Liberators were formed or something else
There is a line from Linka I think, where she said origin didn't assimilated them correctly and maybe it was because they were supposed to fulfill a mission or something like that
nopon them self appear to have long life spans anyways to begin with. hard to say if the nopon sage of 9999+ years is something to consider or not, but it does seam likely that a couple of them could live through all the events of aionios, potentiolly with help of the situation of aionios. also i dont think we ever see a death of a nopon in aionios to see which type of death they have to compare to the other characters.
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How do you then explain how shulk and rex were younger when they faced alvis as alpha ? Since they stated at one point they had a cease fire with Z, implying they have been fighting him for a while
They weren't younger, they had shorter hair and 2 eyes respectively. Their 3D models are identical except for the hair and eye. Even if aging stopped, they need to eat (taking animals life energy out of the flow in the process) and I guess thats why Shulk's hair grew. Rex's beard was already in the Alvis fight so no issue with him
Indeed they have been fighting Moebius for a while, quite a while if we consider the amount of Noah's and Mio's that have been born by that time and Ghondor.
@@imperfectworks7064 true, i havent thought about them just growing hair lol xD
So if Panacea and Linka are 'immortal' or outside Moebius. What happened to them? Wouldn't they aid the main party if still alive, or did they die due to some circumstance. Does the game provide an answer?
We know their decendents at least, and how some houses have an alliance while others are rivals. I guess they eventually died in battle. As After the defeat of Alpha, the compact is done and Moebius would resume hunting them. Additionally, Ouroboros tech was still being worked on and it must have caught their attention, eye patches were not made yet.
Completely agree with your take on xc3's plot. Its good. Damn good. Moreso focusing on characters then lore. But lore is not non-existent. And your timeline where it seems to be missing another game seems dead on. I could totally see that being the warriors spin off.
This is great and all but can you add subtitles? It's really hard to understand your accent. Sorry
I have yet to research how youtube subtitles work, but I have the script. I wonder how the automatic subtitles are, don't know if they are good or bad
By the way, any specific sounds, phrases or words that I should improve? Or is it the pacing? I want to improve
@@imperfectworks7064I know I'm late to this party, but I would love to be able to read your script. I'm getting better at understanding your accent, but I'm much better at reading along with a theory than just watching the video. Sometimes the different pieces of the video (speech, cutscene, captions, still images, background music) can all interfere with my comprehension. I like to read over text multiple times to get the gist. But I also understand if you don't want to share it. So far I'm liking your videos, I'm going through them in release order.
P.S. I'm not completely convinced about The Immortals theory. I think just Melia, Nia, and the 7 legendary Nopon do not age, or age slowly. I'm trying to piece together another theory. Mostly because Georgie and Giorgio throw a wrench into everything. 😢
@@AerynBella can add subtitles later now that I know how to do that
@@imperfectworks7064 Cool! But it's not so bad now. I'm getting a lot better at comprehending your accent. I've watched 6 or 7 videos so far. The amount of detail and effort... it's just amazing! Well done 💖
Guess this theory is debunked now.
Parts of it yeah, like Shulk and Rex, while others like the Nopon were confirmed