Great interview. Chris are you aware also of the work of Dr. Amrine who is a German Scholar at U of M (go blue!) He like Matt has an interest in the way Steiner has metamorphosed the Idealists. His recent book Kicking Away The Ladder (reference Wittgenstein) to The Philosophical Roots of Waldorf Education traces this lineage beautifully for a perspective on education and more. His biographical descriptions of the idealists and their characterological dispositions is delightful (Especially Fichte).
Merci pour bel entretien Concernant Rudolf Steiner et le faire connaitre d'avantage. Notre monde à besoin d''un retour à la vérité, au beau et au vrai et au spirituel pur !
@40:00 this is a deeeeep description of projection and profoundly explains why we become idolatrous with our models and tech. This was new to me in our most recent readings together, Matt. Not sure if it was for you. Projection is old hat but that there is generative location and inevitability to it burst upon me in our last sessions
@29:00 I love this deeply felt description. I agree with the notion of the rind AND I am recently coming into intimacy with the notion that the physical IS a symptomatic artifact of these other generative factors but it is ALSO a model of our future selves in increasingly potent potential. And as we see with our models and tech that the physical world is effected/adulterated so do these physical bodies leave a potent residue at our death. It is my feeling that this "phantom" is increasingly influential in our lives between birth and death and is the reason for the models and technologies that are symptomatic forecasts of the spiritually autonomous potential seeded in the human will as 9fold impulses.
@50:00 Freedom! Again lovely descriptions. Just to couple it with earlier notions about the layered ontology : the actual transformation or waking up in the psyche and will also is to transform our individuality into perceptual in the layers and also generatively a participant.
This a very interesting talk about a highly controversial thinker. I appreciate your look back to German Romanticism through the lens of the outsider Steiner, and your defense of the Romantic imagination (which, one may add, is always self-reflexive and self-critical) as a realm of spontaneity, intuition, and affects that we might rediscover today as an antidote to current conspiracy theories and other dangerously irrational movements. I also appreciate your disentangling of Romanticism from Nazi ideology. But how does this tally with your cautious defense of parapsychology, which seems to promote exactly the types of deeply irrational fantasies that the Romantics were very critical of (see E.T.A. Hoffmann et al.)?
@21:46 I appreciate Matt's open mind bout reincarnation. I think it important to note that if one can incorporate the notions of the evolution of consciousness, the nature of thinking itself, the nature of memory, the role the physical body plays especially via the life processes and the senses (12), the nature of time and presence, phenomenological intimacy with being and becoming, new biological break throughs, quantum physics and a psycho-spiritual phenomenology and an examination of other traditions, not only does reincarnation become increasingly plausible but it becomes obvious that the enlightenment paradigm becomes embarrassingly shallow and as such and more importantly, obscuring of this important notion. It seems to me that in light of the evolution of consciousness we can find an explanation of how human consciousness lost the memory of the reality of reincarnation and that our rather superficial modernist notions of reality are a result of that evolution and that the perceptual faculties lie latent or dormant as seeds in the human will. And that because thinking and memory are an aspect of reality not addendums our conceptual life can reveal in the sense of unveil as opposed to the sense of bring back again unless perhaps we mean to resurrect (which is a whole nother conversation!)
Hi Andrew, I apologize for the commercials. I can't really do anything about them that is part and parcel of creating content on UA-cam. I do hope you enjoy the video.
@@TheYoungIdealist I like leaving the commercials on to support people I like to learn from but I've noticed other creators picking where the commercials will go so it doesmt just start randomly. (from what I understand I just need to kisten to 30 seconds for you to get credit for it) t
@@robertalenrichter I liked a lot, you're both doing a great job promoting Romanticism, which i believe is when a lot of our modern thinking took root. If you ever get a chance check out Adam Weishaupts Lamp of Diogenes, written in 1804. He didn't get along with all his contemporaries but offers some excellent insights into the impulses that drove the free thinkers in that era.
I admire his outspokenness regarding Steiner; I've always felt he was something of a taboo. He knows it's the right thing to do. I should use* the opportunity to suggest to him again (as I have before elsewhere) to read Mr. Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. More of "the occult" that's quite promising - David Bohm for example secretely thought so.
What is interesting for me is that in the english language Steiner´s ideas sound way better than in the german original. Take for example "spiritual beings" as apposed to "geistige Wesenheiten". In german he sounds quite essentialising and one has the feeling he only talks about entities all the time which makes it way less dynamic than the "classical" german thinkers. In comparison to Fichte, Hegel and Schelling he seems to loose a lot of the actual speculative potency. I have the impression that he seems to be into presenting results rather than dynamics of thought/reality. He speaks ABOUT these processes rather than just showing them to be the case while ENACTING them for the audience. That´s only my take however... ;-)
listening to this you would never know that for Steiner the most essential event in all of history (and not just human or earth history but all of cosmic history encompassing vast time scales of which the earth is just a small part) was the incarnation of "the Christ" being into the body of Jesus of Nazareth (there were actually two Jesus children, but don't ask its way too bizarre). Basically there were several planetary stages before the earth which consisted of a "descent" into matter to the point where "spirit" was basically lost. At that moment this cosmic being (Christ) incarnated to reverse the trajectory back to an upward path to reacquire "spirit" except on a higher level since the "matter" part was not lost but transmuted. It's a nice story but perhaps a bit crazy. He says that if you were in space above the earth watching the "aura" of the earth, at the exact moment that christ died on the cross you would have seen the whole aura of the earth change dramatically. It's also good to know that Steiner had a really fun racial theory where black people were the lowest race and (guess what) white Germans were the highest and most evolved race. Im surprised the Nazis didn't like him lol. Actually there is a whole book about Anthroposophy (after Steiner's death) and National Socialism. It's not a pretty story.
not sure why my first reply is not showing up, but please do visit my blog and search for Steiner for my treatment of these issues (including writings and group dialogues).
Yet an outstanding presentation from Matt; I always enjoy learning from him. Very well done!
The intense influence of Buddhism on Steiner's work is often overlooked.
Great interview. Chris are you aware also of the work of Dr. Amrine who is a German Scholar at U of M (go blue!) He like Matt has an interest in the way Steiner has metamorphosed the Idealists. His recent book Kicking Away The Ladder (reference Wittgenstein) to The Philosophical Roots of Waldorf Education traces this lineage beautifully for a perspective on education and more. His biographical descriptions of the idealists and their characterological dispositions is delightful (Especially Fichte).
Great collab.
It was really interesting. A nice presentation of Rudolf Steiner, for all those who don't know him.
Merci pour bel entretien Concernant Rudolf Steiner et le faire connaitre d'avantage. Notre monde à besoin d''un retour à la vérité, au beau et au vrai et au spirituel pur !
@40:00 this is a deeeeep description of projection and profoundly explains why we become idolatrous with our models and tech. This was new to me in our most recent readings together, Matt. Not sure if it was for you. Projection is old hat but that there is generative location and inevitability to it burst upon me in our last sessions
It's very nice to see you be open minded about Steiner and explore his work. I actually became interested in Idealism first through Steiner.
@29:00 I love this deeply felt description. I agree with the notion of the rind AND I am recently coming into intimacy with the notion that the physical IS a symptomatic artifact of these other generative factors but it is ALSO a model of our future selves in increasingly potent potential. And as we see with our models and tech that the physical world is effected/adulterated so do these physical bodies leave a potent residue at our death. It is my feeling that this "phantom" is increasingly influential in our lives between birth and death and is the reason for the models and technologies that are symptomatic forecasts of the spiritually autonomous potential seeded in the human will as 9fold impulses.
@50:00 Freedom! Again lovely descriptions. Just to couple it with earlier notions about the layered ontology : the actual transformation or waking up in the psyche and will also is to transform our individuality into perceptual in the layers and also generatively a participant.
This a very interesting talk about a highly controversial thinker. I appreciate your look back to German Romanticism through the lens of the outsider Steiner, and your defense of the Romantic imagination (which, one may add, is always self-reflexive and self-critical) as a realm of spontaneity, intuition, and affects that we might rediscover today as an antidote to current conspiracy theories and other dangerously irrational movements. I also appreciate your disentangling of Romanticism from Nazi ideology. But how does this tally with your cautious defense of parapsychology, which seems to promote exactly the types of deeply irrational fantasies that the Romantics were very critical of (see E.T.A. Hoffmann et al.)?
@21:46 I appreciate Matt's open mind bout reincarnation. I think it important to note that if one can incorporate the notions of the evolution of consciousness, the nature of thinking itself, the nature of memory, the role the physical body plays especially via the life processes and the senses (12), the nature of time and presence, phenomenological intimacy with being and becoming, new biological break throughs, quantum physics and a psycho-spiritual phenomenology and an examination of other traditions, not only does reincarnation become increasingly plausible but it becomes obvious that the enlightenment paradigm becomes embarrassingly shallow and as such and more importantly, obscuring of this important notion.
It seems to me that in light of the evolution of consciousness we can find an explanation of how human consciousness lost the memory of the reality of reincarnation and that our rather superficial modernist notions of reality are a result of that evolution and that the perceptual faculties lie latent or dormant as seeds in the human will. And that because thinking and memory are an aspect of reality not addendums our conceptual life can reveal in the sense of unveil as opposed to the sense of bring back again unless perhaps we mean to resurrect (which is a whole nother conversation!)
Not sure if you're aware that commercials are poppping up in the middle of sentences, kicks one out of the flow state.
Hi Andrew, I apologize for the commercials. I can't really do anything about them that is part and parcel of creating content on UA-cam. I do hope you enjoy the video.
There are different browsers and attachments that eliminate cookies. I experience the platform commercial-free.
@@TheYoungIdealist I like leaving the commercials on to support people I like to learn from but I've noticed other creators picking where the commercials will go so it
doesmt just start randomly. (from what I understand I just need to kisten to 30 seconds for you to get credit for it)
t
@@robertalenrichter I liked a lot, you're both doing a great job promoting Romanticism, which i believe is when a lot of our modern thinking took root.
If you ever get a chance check out Adam Weishaupts Lamp of Diogenes, written in 1804. He didn't get along with all his contemporaries but offers some excellent insights into the impulses that drove the free thinkers in that era.
I admire his outspokenness regarding Steiner; I've always felt he was something of a taboo. He knows it's the right thing to do. I should use* the opportunity to suggest to him again (as I have before elsewhere) to read Mr. Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. More of "the occult" that's quite promising - David Bohm for example secretely thought so.
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But would Matt agree that Anthroposophy is a 'speculative science.'?
What is interesting for me is that in the english language Steiner´s ideas sound way better than in the german original. Take for example "spiritual beings" as apposed to "geistige Wesenheiten". In german he sounds quite essentialising and one has the feeling he only talks about entities all the time which makes it way less dynamic than the "classical" german thinkers. In comparison to Fichte, Hegel and Schelling he seems to loose a lot of the actual speculative potency. I have the impression that he seems to be into presenting results rather than dynamics of thought/reality. He speaks ABOUT these processes rather than just showing them to be the case while ENACTING them for the audience. That´s only my take however... ;-)
•YH-HNN 1050-1350 : Moses’ Radio’s notes
•gutenberg 1393-1468 : Latin
•luther 1483-1546 : Deutsch two
•plato 1546-1646 : Greek
•leibniz 1646-1716 : Matheten Hieroghlyphs
•kant 1724-1804 : Ideal
•hegel 1770-1831 : State stories
•marx 1818-1883 : machine
•hitler 1889-1945 : A.I. gets out the IBM labs
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Whiteheadians🤝Schellingians
listening to this you would never know that for Steiner the most essential event in all of history (and not just human or earth history but all of cosmic history encompassing vast time scales of which the earth is just a small part) was the incarnation of "the Christ" being into the body of Jesus of Nazareth (there were actually two Jesus children, but don't ask its way too bizarre). Basically there were several planetary stages before the earth which consisted of a "descent" into matter to the point where "spirit" was basically lost. At that moment this cosmic being (Christ) incarnated to reverse the trajectory back to an upward path to reacquire "spirit" except on a higher level since the "matter" part was not lost but transmuted. It's a nice story but perhaps a bit crazy. He says that if you were in space above the earth watching the "aura" of the earth, at the exact moment that christ died on the cross you would have seen the whole aura of the earth change dramatically. It's also good to know that Steiner had a really fun racial theory where black people were the lowest race and (guess what) white Germans were the highest and most evolved race. Im surprised the Nazis didn't like him lol. Actually there is a whole book about Anthroposophy (after Steiner's death) and National Socialism. It's not a pretty story.
not sure why my first reply is not showing up, but please do visit my blog and search for Steiner for my treatment of these issues (including writings and group dialogues).