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I've met many people like Frank in my life, and the majority of them seem to be really smart people. But the thing about smart people is how they can easily fall into a state of nihilism, when they are too aware of how meaningless our struggles are when the end result never changes, so they just say "fuck it" and just live out their lives in pure hedonism.
Same. Remember when I first saw it in tv at like 1 in the morning and I thought "W T F is going on in that show", and I was even more suprised when I googled the show and found out that it had 6 seasons at that point.
This show is truly underrated. You feel and understand what this show is about, the frustration of how each and every character in this show tries to pull themselves up from their own lives.
Imagine rewatching the show in 10-20 years, this has got to be one of the most well written shows about characters and life ever created. I love it and after 9 seasons it has never once disappointed me
"We're all addicts, someone's vices are simply more healthy than with others." This sentence (commented from David Orvik before me) hit home with me, because I often self indulge myself with music and characters from stories since I was in 4th grade and now it has evolved into Broadway. I love to get into each character's head, dig into their minds, find out their demons, find out their backgrounds, watch each actor take on their own part of the role and try to separate them from each other, etc. It has become into addiction, and the reason why I do that is because it distracts me from my own insecurities so I often dig into someone else's problems. I do the same thing with literature, movies, tv. I love picking apart stories and getting into the writers' minds and learning. It's my break away from my own problems. I'm not saying my "addiction" is equivalent to alcoholics or drug addicts, or even food addicts, at all but it is crazy how one thing can consume everything else in your entire life and you don't even realize it.
I really thought i was the only one who felt that way for a while and maybe still now I saw it as a flaw, and i still somehow really hate that part of myself that commits so much to fictional characters just to avoid building my own self or fixing it, i just attach myself to whoever i can relate to and go deep in that character's psyche just to try to like myself more by giving myself traits characters i admire have. A year ago i met someone like that and it did change the way i viewed it but just like you for me it started in 4th grade and now as a 21 year old i still can't escape that, nothing has changed except the fictional characters i attach myself to, it used to superheroes and cartoon characters and now it's characters like Lip or Don Draper or Tyler Durden, and I find myself doing dumb shit like smoking and doing drugs just because i try to attach myself to something that is not me and holy shit some days it hits and i feel devoid of personality. Thank you for this comment, posted on the only good exploration and analysis on the internet about my favorite show
Even if you aren't a fan of Shameless, it's character development paints the most accurate picture of poverty in popular television in a long time. It's not as simple as just a tale of addiction. Substances and crime are frequent in many neighborhoods, and income (or lack thereof) is the consistent, punishing force at play in these neighborhoods - across races, sexuality, generational differences, and differences in intellectual ability.
Yeah... It broke my heart. I have always put all the shame on Frank. Sometimes you forget Monica is to blame too. Sure, she had mental illness but still...
Frank is an absolute trashy dad. He is a narcissist and never ever done something nice for anybody. Something I loved about the show was the unconditional love between the sibling. That makes it so good and more bearable.
The show always gives us the hope that change is possible time and time again, because that's actually what it takes to really change. If you give up changeing once your fail, you will never change a single thing.
This sums up the repetitive strikes against the characters and the silver linings perfectly. We want them to succeed and we have to understand why they don't.
I love how in season 5, when they were dealing with gentrification, they didn’t make it this big bad villain to overcome by the end of the season, they just treated it like how it would feel in real life
I don't particularly think Debbie's slothful, she was shown from the beginning to always want to grow up too soon, she just wasn't ready for the consequences of it. I think envy is more her thing, bc she spent a lot of seasons comparing herself to the only other woman she really knows, Fiona, who always (seems to) have shit put together and is beautiful to boot. Sam doesn't count. Sam never counts.
The thing about Shameless is that the most messed up couples are the best ones: Ian and Mickey, Fiona and Jimmy, Mandy and Lip... I mean you REALLY appreciate characters like Mickey when Ian is pared up with characters like Trevor
A.M Lash Mandy and Lip??? I could never buy him liking her... They made a big mistake with the casting of Mandy #2... Seemed like they were trying to find someone with Mandy #1’s general vibe, instead of casting another really talented actress. After Season 1, everything Mandy-related is painful IMO. Lip and Karen had an awesome and very fucked up relationship that was interesting from start to finish. And if you haven’t checked out Black Sails, I highly recommend it, not only ‘cause it’s an excellent show but because Zach McGowan (Jodie) is an excellent and unrecognizable actor.
Mickey and Ian ended up to be the most fulfilling and strong relationship in the show. No matter how fate kept them apart, they were always drawn to each other.
A lot of these points make me realize why I'm still not finished with this series, even though I like it. The frustration of them not changing or changing too quickly in a way I wasn't expecting is hurting my chances of continuing on with the story or not.
The answer to if you can ever get out of it is no. You can gain education and wealth and success but it always follows you. It is shame, anger, fear, it is knowing that old life is always just around the corner. It is a hardness and an ability to adapt. Even when you have reached success you never fully feel like you belong. It is a thousand days of experiences that would shatter the world of a normal person but to you is just normal.
i always think about how frank could have been an amazing business man or professional con artist but because of his world views he behaves as if he were one but without any professionalism behind it and ends up having to struggle through life as a result of it
Ghadeer Gallavich I know Noel Fisher has “made it,” but I don’t think he’s appreciated nearly enough. He’s *amazing* in every role, and totally different. He was so good on The Riches. He was the only palatable thing about Hatfields & McCoys. He is one of the best young actors in Hollywood, IMO.
@@queenmaoasada8447 I thought this comment section was about shameless! what, are we going to discuss every actor that plays a character on the show? Why turn it into Noel this and Noel that and Noel played this role and was best in that role in that show. My God, give it a rest! Yes he is a great actor and Mickey is a lovable character but damn get a life! Now go sound the alarm with ur hashtag alerts to bash someone with a grip on reality!
I don’t necessarily think that Ian’s addiction is Lust but Choas like Fiona. I get why it seems like that with Mickey and that Mickey isn’t good for him, but what’s not good for him is the choas that follows Mickey usually. Therefore when they were at the border Ian didn’t cross not because he didn’t love him, but because he realized that this Choas will only fuck everything up again. I don’t really like when people say that Mickey was a bad influence for him because I could literally go on for forvever on the things he’s done for him. I still have hope that maybe eventually idk Mickey could fake his death so he’s not longer on the run and wanted and get a new identity and basically get a fresh start. Like they say If You Love Something, Set it free and it it comes back to you, it was meant to be or something like that lol
thats such bullshit lol ian and mickey's relationship was so fucking toxic. literally if the relationship was a guy and girl, people would never support it and the few that did would be looked down upon. mickey and ian at times were both physically abusive, ian pressured mickey into coming out knowing damn well that he had a violently abusive homophobic father, mickey literally almost always resorted to violence when it came to his problems and couldnt see the bigger picture... that relationship was fucking horrible
I get really annoyed at the Mickey stans. No Mickey was not good for Ian. From the start to the end he was abusive and selfish to the point where he wanted Ian to leave everything to live on the run with him. That's not a healthy relationship. If you're going to stand up for Mickey might as well talk about how JimmySteve and Robbie were the best for Fiona. And what's even more annoying is how people want the show to just do some shitty retcon to bring Mickey back. I mean, is Ian not allowed to develop as a character
Pls WaLuigi Dom Me Mickey didn't obligated Ian to go in Mexico with him. He always asked him if that was a goodbye or something else. When he understood that Ian chose not to cross the border because """he's not like that anymore""" (which is a freaking lie because he later got in jail and did a lot of idiotic things) he obviously panicked and tried to convince him but he wasn't annoying and he accepted his decision. I think the VERY selfish and unhealty one is Ian. I hated his decision to go with Mickey and then dropped him like that.. That was brutal. He also didn't want to visit him in prison. I understand if Mickey did something but lol he didn't. Ian knew he was(and still is) the problematic one, he wanted Mickey to move on. Mickey accepted the fact that Ian was bipolar meanwhile Trevor didn't. If you think Trevor is healty for Ian you're freaking wrong, he's worse than Mickey, he literally don't care about him. By the way I'm not saying Mickey is an angel, he isn't but saying he is toxic and unhealthy for Ian is just bullshit and it pisses me off. Like I said before it's Ian the toxic and unhealthy one and Mickey deserves better than him but they're going to be endgame and I am sure about that.
Ian was a bad influence Mickey would have never gone to jail in the first place if Ian didn’t have a long trail of fucking up starting when he stole lips identity making him a wanted man which gave Sam fuel to get him arrested causing Mickey to rightfully get pissed not to mention that Ian also dragged him through that bipolar garbage(which wasn’t his fault) the issue was that he made Mickey go through it with him and also be very abusive towards him at the time
the message of the show is you can't change anyone if they don't want to. in the orignal show frank does not change til he loses all of his kids. as they have grown up and moved on. in this version we see that small glimmer in frank that he truly wants to change but is afraid to do so. it would be so good if they do the gallagher kids justice and give them their father. and give us fans the happy ending we all desire for them
What a great video essay!! I love discovering that you've analyzed another favorite show of mine. This is such a compelling explanation of what we who enjoy about the show enjoy about it.
Gotta say I think Shameless is one of the most well written shows I have ever seen and will ever see. I love how it shows life as it really is, people who are not perfect just trying to pull it together and be better then they were yesterday.
I love this tv show so much. There’s definitely tons of deeper meanings in every season which is why Im watching The Take’s take on it. This channel is so good. I love all the breakdown videos they do on movies and tv shows.
I so became hooked on this show! I don't have any of these issues in my life, but this show is so wonderfully done and has awesome actresses and actors that totally hold my attention! Miss Fiona (Emmy Rossum). Wish there'd be more seasons and episodes. Well done!
Hell no! Maybe they live one of the best romance of all the show (my fav one stays the kev/Veronica one - they stay together all along the show) but Mickey was, from the start and then became more and more, unhealthy to Ian. Until the last time that he goes to jail I thought that Ian could have changed him, but as we see him become responsible, meet Trevor, etc, I just had that feeling that, yeah, even though his feelings for Mickey were more intense than for any other guys, Mickey still was pulling him under. Sorry for my wrong English ^^
Rachel Schol lmao no Mickey is not unhealty. Maybe at first? But EVERY couple in Shameless are kinda unhealty and toxic. Mickey always helped Ian and he loves Ian a lot. They will be endgame and I am sure.
That was my first feelings about Ian and Mickey, that of course Mickey helped Ian alot, regardless of his bipolar syndrom (which is one of the greatest proof of love). But, as I said, as Mickey goes to jail,we see Ian's life objectively increase of level of living, even though he seems happier with Mickey than with any other guy in the show : he gets a job, stops dancing an selling his body in the club, and even more finds satisfaction in this kind of new life. And then at the moment Mickey reapears in the show, Ian suddently leaves his job, family and security to follow him. That too is a huge proof of love. I think Ian's story is balancing between stable life with security, and love, which make them be the most romantic couple of the show. But my opinion stays the same: Mickey is pulling Ian under
they were the best thing that happened to each other, if it weren't for ian then mickey would probably not have come out or would be married to some women. they were good for each other, even though it could SOMETIMES get toxic, i still lov them though and they are my otp of alllll time and im suing the show if they aren't endgame.
Are you guys going to do a character analysis series when the show is over like you did with Mad Men? I feel like it would be well worth it, after 11 seasons it would be great to see an in depth analysis of every character. Thank you and I love this channel so much !!
Whether a Family is poverty or not I think anyone who watches Shameless can relate. Every Family has the “7 Deadly Sins” and struggles in some way or another. That’s why this show is “addicting” to so many.
Such a good analysis! I started watching this show a month ago and I just finished it. I had a really good time watching it, though, at times, it became quite frustrating, to the point where I wasn't sure if I wanted to continue. It was so hard watching them work towards getting out of their situation, only to see them start over again. But that's how it is sometimes. Season 7 is my favorite because it shows that change _is_ possible, and no matter how much we screw up, how much we struggle, we can get where we want to be, even if we don't take the road we imagined.
Great job with this video! Shameless is basically the closest thing to real life I've ever seen on TV. it's dark,sad and it made me cry too and almost each character seems real to me...It's a great show and I'm really sad that it'll end
12:11 I think that's a very good point about the movies and why they always left me kind of bitter lol. As if people could really put the past where it belongs, I'm not saying we're all slaves to our past traumas, but it'd be nice if movies captured how trauma does linger, how people relapse; it doesn't all just go away with one "life-changing" experience.
Make a follow up video! The merits in the points made here we’re really close to the season finale. The show ended with Frank and it began with Frank. Explore that! And thanks for making these videos :-)
Love it love it love it, I would have also loved to see how the mentalities of the characters change to be in contrast to what they wanted in the first season.
Overcoming addiction is possible, but difficult when life keeps messing up. These poor souls are struggling with poverty and bad role models. Support is out there, try AA, NA, one of those. They seem like bullshit at first, but KEEP GOING, accept help, it gets easier.
Underrated for me as well.I was just looking for something to watch one time and could not believe I never watched it before.And I have Showtime and live in Chicago.Great video by the way.
I identify so much with Fiona, and I guess I feel a bit differently about the show; because I’ve lived it. Good video though, pretty accurate and well thought out
I always have a hard time watching it because of that. It's like looking in a mirror for me, and is this reminder that I'm never truly out of the cycle mentally as hard as I keep trying to be.
Very good spot on the Trainspotting inclusion here. Along with its themes on addictions, the films quickfire, fast paced, in yer face grittiness was incorporated into the original UK Shameless. I was delighted to see that lightning struck and captured in a bigger, broader bottle in its US counterpart. Indeed, most of Shameless season 1 was a scene for scene remake of the UK original, albeit on a much bigger scale. By season 2, the US Shameless delves into its own paths, and it was great to see their Fiona and Lip still in it- they both leave the UK version by season 3's end. The UK Shameless focuses just as much on the Gallagher's neighbours - The Maguires ( The Milloviches in the US), by season 4 and it covers more across the council estate that its set on. Im glad both versions exist for people to see. Excellent video.
Shameless is the best show that has ever and will ever exist. this was a great review. i wish you had included Kev and Vee clips in there, but still good.
I'm addicted to this show! Shameless is my favorite show on TV. I started watching this show in the middle of season 4. After watching the rest of that season, I went back & watched season 1-3. The 10th season has a big hole in it where Fiona used to be. But still, the remaining characters keep coming up with stuff that is so real & edgy, that I really hope there is an 11th season! Macy is amazing.
I don’t know...I disagree a bit with Mickey being a super super bad influence. In the beginning, maybe, but Mickey was definitely someone who was NOWHERE near in the same ballpark as Jimmy/Steve
Ian didn't say goodbye to Mickey because their relationship was unhealthy no it isn't he chose not to go to mexico because he couldn't leave his family job or bipolar meds his heart still and always will belong to mickey
I think calling Fiona's choice to cheat on her bf with his brother, use coke, and get fired from her job after nearly losing her siblings "circumstances beyond her control" isn't 100% accurate. The social services thing I agree. And yes once she went on the downward spiral I agree that it makes sense she struggled (and I believe still does today) with trying to make things right. But all of that particular downward spiral in season 4 started with something she had control over. It all started when she chose to cheat on Mike with his brother Robbie while he was passed out in the next room, and then again several more times even before she started using drugs Robbie gave her. Maybe it could be argued that her environment didn't provide good role models growing up but she's an adult now who's the guardian of all her siblings. I get this is all tough but I don't think it is totally accurate to portray all of Fiona's mistakes as something beyond her control. Some of her choices are ones she clearly didn't have to make one outcome but did so anyway because it was easy or it fulfilled some selfish desire. Sure it's not like no one has ever done this, and sometimes more than we'd like to admit, but I have a hard time feeling bad for Fiona when her own selfishness comes back to bite her, just like when it happens to others on the show.
PrincessLuLu I agree. I sympathize with Fiona’s situation, but I don’t believe she is blameless. The idea that we are predetermined by our parents, I think is really toxic. Everyone has a chance to change but self acceptance is necessary.
I think one of the reasons she cheated on that boyfriend/boss and later on that musician guy was that they were kinda "boring" and too friendly. The one guy himself and Veronica pointed this out. That's a problem with a lot of women I know. They search for a prince but in the end they want someone that threats them bad and makes them angry from time to time and is kinda "cool" and mysterious just like the brother from her boss or Jimmy.
No, Tony, that's a quite common misunderstanding. For sure there are lots of women really into "the bad guy" but please don't forget that when someone came from a dysfunctional family is kinda hellish having a meaningful relationship. Those people never got loved or cared in their childhood and they're sort of incapable recognizing healthy feelings, they're just repeating their story life of being neglected by choosing shitty men. It takes years and often therapy to break this vicious circle, but they can get over it successfully in the end. Sorry for my bad English.
@@krd2331 honestly? Yeah. I agree. Something I’ve always disliked about Shameless is that whenever the writers can’t immediately think of something they fall back on blatant degeneracy. The show pretty much drove itself into the ground on this principle. It gets well past the point where you can revel in the downfall of those who set up their failures with their own mistakes, and just gets irritating and sad. The show could’ve been a landmark point in television history, showing people a realistic and empathic aspect of people under the poverty line. But no, they decide to broadcast the message that all poor people are self destructive addicts and petty criminals.
This video this video is awesome, I love Shameless. and I always felt the show was very relatable and you guys put into this video in Great Lengths the emotions and struggles of real life that this show touches on that makes this show so unique!
Everyone says this is a underrated show it is but it’s also showtimes premier show so it definitely getting the praise it gets when I first started this show I was late it was already through season 9 which is currently I binged the whole thing tho it’s crazy and prob the best show that has ever lived and I can’t wait for season 10
They have everything stacked against them because from a young age they all had to help their own father and mother keep food on the table for the family and help with bills that no young kids should have to deal with....I mean the stories that Fiona told of stuff that happened before the show took place like when she was a little girl having to take care of her brothers when her dad was drunk and left them at the store and so many more stories that just made me think if it weren’t for Fiona keeping the boys and later Debbie and Carl in check too then they would have all ended up staying in foster care if Fiona didn’t try so hard to keep everyone together
this video hit me... i am coming from a very unstable household... and all i ever wished was something stable.... but now that i am the closest i ever get, i am bored, i feel uneasy and i hate it. I hate this cold environment that stability gives you. I am young and i am scared, that if i dont break free i will be stuck in this for ever, and if i break free, that i will end up like my mother... Its very hard to change. Or adjust to change. I almost miss the tearfilled shouts from my family fighting. I almost miss the quiteness that comes in between as we avoid one another while living in the same house. And now i live with my bf and his family... they talk like a normal family, they dont despise each other and i really really hate it. I hate this harmony. And i am afraid of that hate.
I can relate with absolutely everything you said. I always felt really uncomfortable in that kind of family dynamic. And now we're married, moved out of his parents house and bought a house, and have a kid. And it's worse. I thought I'd finally feel better, but I'm even more miserable and numb, and soooo bored all the time. It's both the most secure and the most depressed I've ever been.
I wanna like this show but.... I don’t like it to be a comedy. Not once have I laughed at this show, but I’ve only felt depressed afterwards. I also suffer from severe depression, and I live I’m apart of town like this. Bad people and nobody to trust. While watching it, it feels like a drama but if it feels like they’re making fun of people who have this life style due to the fact that it’s supposed to be a “comedy”. Idk it feels like life slows down when I watch it. I wanna like it but I can’t get out of that slump to motivate myself to keep watching. While others say it’s addictive, I feel the opposite, idk if I’m missing something or it’s not for people with depression...
Maybe you simply don't like it, nothing wrong with it :) I have been diagnosed with major depression at 17-yrs which is just the tip of the iceberg. Coming from a dysfunctional family I had to raise myself like Fiona did. Lucky me, I had no siblings to take care of, but my mother was a mess and I was her genitor for quite a while. I see a lot of myself in this show, if that's not the same for you then just move on, whatever makes you happy or at least whatever make you feel less alone. Sorry about my broken English. I hope things are getting better for you.
Have you tried British Shameless. I think it is more serious and sad. It was once on You Tube but the episode was very violent. And everyone talks with an Irish accent. It is about life in a UK Ghetto.
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I've met many people like Frank in my life, and the majority of them seem to be really smart people. But the thing about smart people is how they can easily fall into a state of nihilism, when they are too aware of how meaningless our struggles are when the end result never changes, so they just say "fuck it" and just live out their lives in pure hedonism.
Absolutely, Emilio. We actually have an essay coming about two characters who think this way, stay tuned.
ScreenPrism rick and frank?
You say that like its a bad thing.......
in therory i kind of like that, in practice it seems like hell
fuck
Shameless is the best accidental watch I ever had. I hope the new season is good.
Same. Remember when I first saw it in tv at like 1 in the morning and I thought "W T F is going on in that show", and I was even more suprised when I googled the show and found out that it had 6 seasons at that point.
We really hope so too!
That would be a pretty long song though.
PariSitic Pictures I hope it never ends lol
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This show is truly underrated. You feel and understand what this show is about, the frustration of how each and every character in this show tries to pull themselves up from their own lives.
Absolutely!
Imagine rewatching the show in 10-20 years, this has got to be one of the most well written shows about characters and life ever created. I love it and after 9 seasons it has never once disappointed me
People hate on it and this really is a good show
This American adaptation of Shameless is great at representing Addiction, working class and poverty just like the original UK did.
The most real and relatable show about living poor I’ve ever seen.
Melissa I’ve had friends and family in similar(less exaggerated) situations and yes they got as close as they could while still being entertaining
Poor in the U.S hahahaha
@Joey you're right, I'm just saying is not as bad
@Joey I actually agree, sorry that comment was kinda in the moment
For me it was malcolm in the middle
"drinking turns the volume down. Makes the world more tolerable." That is way too true.
Sad that Shameless is the most realistic TV view of poverty.
Lost Age Comics not so much now but the first three were very realistic
they're not really in poverty anymore
Dylan Maes What makes the following seasons less realistic?
Albin Lundholm The fact that they're all still alive lol
Having been in poverty, I wouldnt say this is a great picture of it but it’s a good picture of the habits that perpetuate poverty.
seriously..very underrated and my guilty pleasure...
mayur reddy i to watched this show before they put it on Netflix; its crazy how much it has blown up since last fall
It's not underrated
pssst yeah it is .... i mean its blowing up now .... 8 seasons in lol ..... The fact that Emmy Rossum hasn't won an Emmy yet is a travesty.
Why is your guilty pleasure?
Because it's probably something you can't watch with your parents
"We're all addicts, someone's vices are simply more healthy than with others."
This sentence (commented from David Orvik before me) hit home with me, because I often self indulge myself with music and characters from stories since I was in 4th grade and now it has evolved into Broadway. I love to get into each character's head, dig into their minds, find out their demons, find out their backgrounds, watch each actor take on their own part of the role and try to separate them from each other, etc. It has become into addiction, and the reason why I do that is because it distracts me from my own insecurities so I often dig into someone else's problems. I do the same thing with literature, movies, tv. I love picking apart stories and getting into the writers' minds and learning. It's my break away from my own problems. I'm not saying my "addiction" is equivalent to alcoholics or drug addicts, or even food addicts, at all but it is crazy how one thing can consume everything else in your entire life and you don't even realize it.
I really thought i was the only one who felt that way for a while and maybe still now I saw it as a flaw, and i still somehow really hate that part of myself that commits so much to fictional characters just to avoid building my own self or fixing it, i just attach myself to whoever i can relate to and go deep in that character's psyche just to try to like myself more by giving myself traits characters i admire have.
A year ago i met someone like that and it did change the way i viewed it but just like you for me it started in 4th grade and now as a 21 year old i still can't escape that, nothing has changed except the fictional characters i attach myself to, it used to superheroes and cartoon characters and now it's characters like Lip or Don Draper or Tyler Durden, and I find myself doing dumb shit like smoking and doing drugs just because i try to attach myself to something that is not me and holy shit some days it hits and i feel devoid of personality. Thank you for this comment, posted on the only good exploration and analysis on the internet about my favorite show
Even if you aren't a fan of Shameless, it's character development paints the most accurate picture of poverty in popular television in a long time. It's not as simple as just a tale of addiction. Substances and crime are frequent in many neighborhoods, and income (or lack thereof) is the consistent, punishing force at play in these neighborhoods - across races, sexuality, generational differences, and differences in intellectual ability.
At the end of shameless season 8 it is reviled that Frank went to college and would of had a very successful life then he meet Monica
Yeah... It broke my heart. I have always put all the shame on Frank. Sometimes you forget Monica is to blame too. Sure, she had mental illness but still...
don't you guys see it , give Frank a portal gun and he is Rick sanchez
We do see it, stay tuned :)
Basically
Frank is an absolute trashy dad. He is a narcissist and never ever done something nice for anybody. Something I loved about the show was the unconditional love between the sibling. That makes it so good and more bearable.
The show always gives us the hope that change is possible time and time again, because that's actually what it takes to really change. If you give up changeing once your fail, you will never change a single thing.
We're all addicts, someone's vices are simply more healthy than with others.
True true
Amilliya Sadeh you're gay
Amilliya Sadeh fuck no the actors are horribly cringey
Amilliya Sadeh That's why it has so much lower rates than us shameless
David Orvik nice pfp
Carl is working up to be the family redemption
This sums up the repetitive strikes against the characters and the silver linings perfectly. We want them to succeed and we have to understand why they don't.
I love how in season 5, when they were dealing with gentrification, they didn’t make it this big bad villain to overcome by the end of the season, they just treated it like how it would feel in real life
I would love to see an episode on Ian and Mickys relationship through the seasons it’s a super interesting relationship
This analysis is very good, you put into words what I always feel when I watch it
Thanks Isabella!
Frank: Gluttony
Fiona: Pride
Lip: Wrath
Ian: Lust
Debbie: Sloth
Carl: Greed
Sam (Franks other daughter): Envy
I did not include Liam cause he is too innocent.
Tony Lawliet fiona should be lust lol
Damn that's actually really accurate
I actually thought Lip was more Lust and Carl more Wrath.
I don't particularly think Debbie's slothful, she was shown from the beginning to always want to grow up too soon, she just wasn't ready for the consequences of it. I think envy is more her thing, bc she spent a lot of seasons comparing herself to the only other woman she really knows, Fiona, who always (seems to) have shit put together and is beautiful to boot.
Sam doesn't count. Sam never counts.
The thing about Shameless is that the most messed up couples are the best ones: Ian and Mickey, Fiona and Jimmy, Mandy and Lip...
I mean you REALLY appreciate characters like Mickey when Ian is pared up with characters like Trevor
A.M Lash Mandy and Lip??? I could never buy him liking her... They made a big mistake with the casting of Mandy #2... Seemed like they were trying to find someone with Mandy #1’s general vibe, instead of casting another really talented actress. After Season 1, everything Mandy-related is painful IMO. Lip and Karen had an awesome and very fucked up relationship that was interesting from start to finish. And if you haven’t checked out Black Sails, I highly recommend it, not only ‘cause it’s an excellent show but because Zach McGowan (Jodie) is an excellent and unrecognizable actor.
Mickey and Ian ended up to be the most fulfilling and strong relationship in the show. No matter how fate kept them apart, they were always drawn to each other.
A lot of these points make me realize why I'm still not finished with this series, even though I like it. The frustration of them not changing or changing too quickly in a way I wasn't expecting is hurting my chances of continuing on with the story or not.
It's all utterly heartbreaking. It hurts even more that pretty much everybody can empathise with the characters.
“You’re an addict, so be addicted. Just be addicted to something else.” From T2: Trainstopping. Best advice I could give someone.
The answer to if you can ever get out of it is no. You can gain education and wealth and success but it always follows you. It is shame, anger, fear, it is knowing that old life is always just around the corner. It is a hardness and an ability to adapt. Even when you have reached success you never fully feel like you belong. It is a thousand days of experiences that would shatter the world of a normal person but to you is just normal.
absolutely true
Your addiction dictates your lifestyle and outcomes.
Beautiful and chaotic show
i always think about how frank could have been an amazing business man or professional con artist but because of his world views he behaves as if he were one but without any professionalism behind it and ends up having to struggle through life as a result of it
He would've been an amazing politician. Corrupt, good speeches, fake promises that people eat up. Frank would've become the fkn president.
Mickey deserves so much better
Miri Jdowokadbakoy .. Sooooo right.. Noel need to come THE FUCK back!!
#gallavichEndgame ❤
#Gallavichforever ❤
#Bringmickeyback ❤
Ghadeer Gallavich I know Noel Fisher has “made it,” but I don’t think he’s appreciated nearly enough. He’s *amazing* in every role, and totally different. He was so good on The Riches. He was the only palatable thing about Hatfields & McCoys. He is one of the best young actors in Hollywood, IMO.
@@queenmaoasada8447 I thought this comment section was about shameless! what, are we going to discuss every actor that plays a character on the show? Why turn it into Noel this and Noel that and Noel played this role and was best in that role in that show. My God, give it a rest! Yes he is a great actor and Mickey is a lovable character but damn get a life! Now go sound the alarm with ur hashtag alerts to bash someone with a grip on reality!
@@darleneeverson4733 this is literally a comment about his character??? why are you mad they’re talking about the actor man?
I don’t necessarily think that Ian’s addiction is Lust but Choas like Fiona. I get why it seems like that with Mickey and that Mickey isn’t good for him, but what’s not good for him is the choas that follows Mickey usually. Therefore when they were at the border Ian didn’t cross not because he didn’t love him, but because he realized that this Choas will only fuck everything up again. I don’t really like when people say that Mickey was a bad influence for him because I could literally go on for forvever on the things he’s done for him. I still have hope that maybe eventually idk Mickey could fake his death so he’s not longer on the run and wanted and get a new identity and basically get a fresh start. Like they say If You Love Something, Set it free and it it comes back to you, it was meant to be or something like that lol
PaNiC! aT tHe yEeMo BoYs Agreed. I hate that they had to write Mickey off the show. They were the purest, most real love on the show.
thats such bullshit lol ian and mickey's relationship was so fucking toxic. literally if the relationship was a guy and girl, people would never support it and the few that did would be looked down upon. mickey and ian at times were both physically abusive, ian pressured mickey into coming out knowing damn well that he had a violently abusive homophobic father, mickey literally almost always resorted to violence when it came to his problems and couldnt see the bigger picture... that relationship was fucking horrible
I get really annoyed at the Mickey stans. No Mickey was not good for Ian. From the start to the end he was abusive and selfish to the point where he wanted Ian to leave everything to live on the run with him. That's not a healthy relationship. If you're going to stand up for Mickey might as well talk about how JimmySteve and Robbie were the best for Fiona. And what's even more annoying is how people want the show to just do some shitty retcon to bring Mickey back. I mean, is Ian not allowed to develop as a character
Pls WaLuigi Dom Me Mickey didn't obligated Ian to go in Mexico with him. He always asked him if that was a goodbye or something else. When he understood that Ian chose not to cross the border because """he's not like that anymore""" (which is a freaking lie because he later got in jail and did a lot of idiotic things) he obviously panicked and tried to convince him but he wasn't annoying and he accepted his decision. I think the VERY selfish and unhealty one is Ian. I hated his decision to go with Mickey and then dropped him like that.. That was brutal. He also didn't want to visit him in prison. I understand if Mickey did something but lol he didn't. Ian knew he was(and still is) the problematic one, he wanted Mickey to move on. Mickey accepted the fact that Ian was bipolar meanwhile Trevor didn't. If you think Trevor is healty for Ian you're freaking wrong, he's worse than Mickey, he literally don't care about him. By the way I'm not saying Mickey is an angel, he isn't but saying he is toxic and unhealthy for Ian is just bullshit and it pisses me off. Like I said before it's Ian the toxic and unhealthy one and Mickey deserves better than him but they're going to be endgame and I am sure about that.
Ian was a bad influence Mickey would have never gone to jail in the first place if Ian didn’t have a long trail of fucking up starting when he stole lips identity making him a wanted man which gave Sam fuel to get him arrested causing Mickey to rightfully get pissed not to mention that Ian also dragged him through that bipolar garbage(which wasn’t his fault) the issue was that he made Mickey go through it with him and also be very abusive towards him at the time
the message of the show is you can't change anyone if they don't want to. in the orignal show frank does not change til he loses all of his kids. as they have grown up and moved on. in this version we see that small glimmer in frank that he truly wants to change but is afraid to do so. it would be so good if they do the gallagher kids justice and give them their father. and give us fans the happy ending we all desire for them
So happy you guys made this! Really excited for the season premiere
Thanks Joseph! So are we!
"the system is rigged against them" *pans over to Fiona going to jail because Liam got into her coke*
sarah left-wing empath free thinker provocateur accepting any responsibility whatsoever might actually mean they’d have to change their behaviour lol
This video is amazing, I always wondered why I kept coming back to this show season after season even though they would constantly frustrate me
Thanks Lucien
What a great video essay!! I love discovering that you've analyzed another favorite show of mine. This is such a compelling explanation of what we who enjoy about the show enjoy about it.
I still have hope for Gallovich
Hey and it all worked out in the end!
Spoiler Alert....It happened! 😉
Gotta say I think Shameless is one of the most well written shows I have ever seen and will ever see. I love how it shows life as it really is, people who are not perfect just trying to pull it together and be better then they were yesterday.
I love this tv show so much. There’s definitely tons of deeper meanings in every season which is why Im watching The Take’s take on it. This channel is so good. I love all the breakdown videos they do on movies and tv shows.
i wish more people watched halt and catch fire, that show lends itself perfectly to video essays, especially character and relationship studies
Thanks, just added it to my netflix list!
I so became hooked on this show! I don't have any of these issues in my life, but this show is so wonderfully done and has awesome actresses and actors that totally hold my attention! Miss Fiona (Emmy Rossum). Wish there'd be more seasons and episodes. Well done!
Mickey was the best thing to happen to Ian!
Mieshon Waller Noel Fisher is a treasure
Hell no! Maybe they live one of the best romance of all the show (my fav one stays the kev/Veronica one - they stay together all along the show) but Mickey was, from the start and then became more and more, unhealthy to Ian. Until the last time that he goes to jail I thought that Ian could have changed him, but as we see him become responsible, meet Trevor, etc, I just had that feeling that, yeah, even though his feelings for Mickey were more intense than for any other guys, Mickey still was pulling him under.
Sorry for my wrong English ^^
Rachel Schol lmao no Mickey is not unhealty. Maybe at first? But EVERY couple in Shameless are kinda unhealty and toxic. Mickey always helped Ian and he loves Ian a lot. They will be endgame and I am sure.
That was my first feelings about Ian and Mickey, that of course Mickey helped Ian alot, regardless of his bipolar syndrom (which is one of the greatest proof of love). But, as I said, as Mickey goes to jail,we see Ian's life objectively increase of level of living, even though he seems happier with Mickey than with any other guy in the show : he gets a job, stops dancing an selling his body in the club, and even more finds satisfaction in this kind of new life. And then at the moment Mickey reapears in the show, Ian suddently leaves his job, family and security to follow him. That too is a huge proof of love.
I think Ian's story is balancing between stable life with security, and love, which make them be the most romantic couple of the show. But my opinion stays the same: Mickey is pulling Ian under
they were the best thing that happened to each other, if it weren't for ian then mickey would probably not have come out or would be married to some women. they were good for each other, even though it could SOMETIMES get toxic, i still lov them though and they are my otp of alllll time and im suing the show if they aren't endgame.
Are you guys going to do a character analysis series when the show is over like you did with Mad Men? I feel like it would be well worth it, after 11 seasons it would be great to see an in depth analysis of every character. Thank you and I love this channel so much !!
Whether a Family is poverty or not I think anyone who watches Shameless can relate. Every Family has the “7 Deadly Sins” and struggles in some way or another. That’s why this show is “addicting” to so many.
Such a good analysis! I started watching this show a month ago and I just finished it. I had a really good time watching it, though, at times, it became quite frustrating, to the point where I wasn't sure if I wanted to continue. It was so hard watching them work towards getting out of their situation, only to see them start over again. But that's how it is sometimes. Season 7 is my favorite because it shows that change _is_ possible, and no matter how much we screw up, how much we struggle, we can get where we want to be, even if we don't take the road we imagined.
This show has inspired me a lot. Gonna watch the this show every decade of my life
Great job with this video! Shameless is basically the closest thing to real life I've ever seen on TV. it's dark,sad and it made me cry too and almost each character seems real to me...It's a great show and I'm really sad that it'll end
12:11 I think that's a very good point about the movies and why they always left me kind of bitter lol. As if people could really put the past where it belongs, I'm not saying we're all slaves to our past traumas, but it'd be nice if movies captured how trauma does linger, how people relapse; it doesn't all just go away with one "life-changing" experience.
I love this essay on one of my favorite shows. All of what you said in the video has gone through my mind. Gallagher for life!
Thank you for another insightful and properly articulated video! I'm a Fan!
Thanks for the kind words Andrew!
Make a follow up video! The merits in the points made here we’re really close to the season finale. The show ended with Frank and it began with Frank. Explore that! And thanks for making these videos :-)
Love it love it love it, I would have also loved to see how the mentalities of the characters change to be in contrast to what they wanted in the first season.
one of the most underrated shows on television rn imo
When I was like eight I started watching this and I’m never going to stop
Overcoming addiction is possible, but difficult when life keeps messing up. These poor souls are struggling with poverty and bad role models. Support is out there, try AA, NA, one of those. They seem like bullshit at first, but KEEP GOING, accept help, it gets easier.
“Exactly what?” *shows Mickey* haha I mean he kinda was LOL
I will definitely check out this show.
I rewatched this 3 times. Such a good show
i actually love this verbal essay!
Somehow I love this video so much. It shows so much understanding, not only towards Shameless but also life.
Thanks so much Jia! We appreciate that
Underrated for me as well.I was just looking for something to watch one time and could not believe I never watched it before.And I have Showtime and live in Chicago.Great video by the way.
Absolutely love this channel!
Great take on the show. Thumbs up!
I identify so much with Fiona, and I guess I feel a bit differently about the show; because I’ve lived it. Good video though, pretty accurate and well thought out
I always have a hard time watching it because of that. It's like looking in a mirror for me, and is this reminder that I'm never truly out of the cycle mentally as hard as I keep trying to be.
Very good spot on the Trainspotting inclusion here. Along with its themes on addictions, the films quickfire, fast paced, in yer face grittiness was incorporated into the original UK Shameless. I was delighted to see that lightning struck and captured in a bigger, broader bottle in its US counterpart. Indeed, most of Shameless season 1 was a scene for scene remake of the UK original, albeit on a much bigger scale. By season 2, the US Shameless delves into its own paths, and it was great to see their Fiona and Lip still in it- they both leave the UK version by season 3's end. The UK Shameless focuses just as much on the Gallagher's neighbours - The Maguires ( The Milloviches in the US), by season 4 and it covers more across the council estate that its set on. Im glad both versions exist for people to see. Excellent video.
Shameless is the best show that has ever and will ever exist. this was a great review. i wish you had included Kev and Vee clips in there, but still good.
love ur videos so much. cant wait for the season 8
Neither can we! Thanks Cherie!
Love love love this
I'm addicted to this show! Shameless is my favorite show on TV. I started watching this show in the middle of season 4. After watching the rest of that season, I went back & watched season 1-3. The 10th season has a big hole in it where Fiona used to be. But still, the remaining characters keep coming up with stuff that is so real & edgy, that I really hope there is an 11th season! Macy is amazing.
I don’t know...I disagree a bit with Mickey being a super super bad influence. In the beginning, maybe, but Mickey was definitely someone who was NOWHERE near in the same ballpark as Jimmy/Steve
Ian didn't say goodbye to Mickey because their relationship was unhealthy no it isn't he chose not to go to mexico because he couldn't leave his family job or bipolar meds his heart still and always will belong to mickey
Glimmers of hope among a sea of shitty behavior?
Isn't that the textbook definition of an abusive relationship?
Yeah good point.
I’d love to see another video focusing on Fiona now that’s she’s left the show
I adore this greatfully , appreciate
You analysis , being best and worst selfs
I think calling Fiona's choice to cheat on her bf with his brother, use coke, and get fired from her job after nearly losing her siblings "circumstances beyond her control" isn't 100% accurate. The social services thing I agree. And yes once she went on the downward spiral I agree that it makes sense she struggled (and I believe still does today) with trying to make things right. But all of that particular downward spiral in season 4 started with something she had control over. It all started when she chose to cheat on Mike with his brother Robbie while he was passed out in the next room, and then again several more times even before she started using drugs Robbie gave her. Maybe it could be argued that her environment didn't provide good role models growing up but she's an adult now who's the guardian of all her siblings. I get this is all tough but I don't think it is totally accurate to portray all of Fiona's mistakes as something beyond her control. Some of her choices are ones she clearly didn't have to make one outcome but did so anyway because it was easy or it fulfilled some selfish desire. Sure it's not like no one has ever done this, and sometimes more than we'd like to admit, but I have a hard time feeling bad for Fiona when her own selfishness comes back to bite her, just like when it happens to others on the show.
PrincessLuLu I agree. I sympathize with Fiona’s situation, but I don’t believe she is blameless. The idea that we are predetermined by our parents, I think is really toxic. Everyone has a chance to change but self acceptance is necessary.
I think one of the reasons she cheated on that boyfriend/boss and later on that musician guy was that they were kinda "boring" and too friendly. The one guy himself and Veronica pointed this out. That's a problem with a lot of women I know. They search for a prince but in the end they want someone that threats them bad and makes them angry from time to time and is kinda "cool" and mysterious just like the brother from her boss or Jimmy.
No, Tony, that's a quite common misunderstanding. For sure there are lots of women really into "the bad guy" but please don't forget that when someone came from a dysfunctional family is kinda hellish having a meaningful relationship. Those people never got loved or cared in their childhood and they're sort of incapable recognizing healthy feelings, they're just repeating their story life of being neglected by choosing shitty men. It takes years and often therapy to break this vicious circle, but they can get over it successfully in the end.
Sorry for my bad English.
It’s called bad writing.
@@krd2331 honestly? Yeah. I agree. Something I’ve always disliked about Shameless is that whenever the writers can’t immediately think of something they fall back on blatant degeneracy. The show pretty much drove itself into the ground on this principle. It gets well past the point where you can revel in the downfall of those who set up their failures with their own mistakes, and just gets irritating and sad. The show could’ve been a landmark point in television history, showing people a realistic and empathic aspect of people under the poverty line. But no, they decide to broadcast the message that all poor people are self destructive addicts and petty criminals.
This video this video is awesome, I love Shameless. and I always felt the show was very relatable and you guys put into this video in Great Lengths the emotions and struggles of real life that this show touches on that makes this show so unique!
Thank you!
Great job on this video.
IAN IS ADDICTED TO MICKEY. PERIOD. FML.
This show is just great
not only is shameless my favorite but, you made it better.
Everyone says this is a underrated show it is but it’s also showtimes premier show so it definitely getting the praise it gets when I first started this show I was late it was already through season 9 which is currently I binged the whole thing tho it’s crazy and prob the best show that has ever lived and I can’t wait for season 10
i agree with your observations. i would add that the writers deliberatly choose extreme stories lines even though are often implausible
Shameless is the story of humanity. I love it.
Can we have Jimmy Steve Jack back? That guy was the reason why i loved the show
I would love to see a video on Ian and mickys relationship it’s a super interesting relationship
Hmm... this was actually a pretty insightful episode. 👍
Yall should definitely do a follow up after the series finale tomorrow night.
Love this channel!!
p.s that voice actor sounds extremely cute
Good job! I wish there was an Idea of a show- ( Frank and Monica A Love Story). That would be a good branch off!
the confidence or strenght amnd gained a philosiphal eye, i am jellous, with Frank the addictive charator, must wust this show soon
thank you for this video
They have everything stacked against them because from a young age they all had to help their own father and mother keep food on the table for the family and help with bills that no young kids should have to deal with....I mean the stories that Fiona told of stuff that happened before the show took place like when she was a little girl having to take care of her brothers when her dad was drunk and left them at the store and so many more stories that just made me think if it weren’t for Fiona keeping the boys and later Debbie and Carl in check too then they would have all ended up staying in foster care if Fiona didn’t try so hard to keep everyone together
I think Carl is actually going to change and go to the military or become a cop but probably not honestly
this video hit me... i am coming from a very unstable household... and all i ever wished was something stable.... but now that i am the closest i ever get, i am bored, i feel uneasy and i hate it. I hate this cold environment that stability gives you. I am young and i am scared, that if i dont break free i will be stuck in this for ever, and if i break free, that i will end up like my mother... Its very hard to change. Or adjust to change. I almost miss the tearfilled shouts from my family fighting. I almost miss the quiteness that comes in between as we avoid one another while living in the same house. And now i live with my bf and his family... they talk like a normal family, they dont despise each other and i really really hate it. I hate this harmony. And i am afraid of that hate.
I can relate with absolutely everything you said. I always felt really uncomfortable in that kind of family dynamic. And now we're married, moved out of his parents house and bought a house, and have a kid. And it's worse. I thought I'd finally feel better, but I'm even more miserable and numb, and soooo bored all the time. It's both the most secure and the most depressed I've ever been.
I wanna like this show but.... I don’t like it to be a comedy. Not once have I laughed at this show, but I’ve only felt depressed afterwards. I also suffer from severe depression, and I live I’m apart of town like this. Bad people and nobody to trust. While watching it, it feels like a drama but if it feels like they’re making fun of people who have this life style due to the fact that it’s supposed to be a “comedy”. Idk it feels like life slows down when I watch it. I wanna like it but I can’t get out of that slump to motivate myself to keep watching. While others say it’s addictive, I feel the opposite, idk if I’m missing something or it’s not for people with depression...
Maybe you simply don't like it, nothing wrong with it :)
I have been diagnosed with major depression at 17-yrs which is just the tip of the iceberg.
Coming from a dysfunctional family I had to raise myself like Fiona did. Lucky me, I had no siblings to take care of, but my mother was a mess and I was her genitor for quite a while. I see a lot of myself in this show, if that's not the same for you then just move on, whatever makes you happy or at least whatever make you feel less alone.
Sorry about my broken English. I hope things are getting better for you.
Have you tried British Shameless. I think it is more serious and sad. It was once on You Tube but the episode was very violent. And everyone talks with an Irish accent. It is about life in a UK Ghetto.
I loved this show so much i wish it never ended 😭
I am ashamed to say that I missed 11 seasons of Shameless, until now… i am watching it from the beginning. . .
brilliant video
I love the Galligers! I come from a big dysfunctional family that is not as connected and devoted to each other as the Gallagher's.
Damn that scene with Ian and Mickey tear followed by chuckle at that disguise lmao