The Liverpool to Manchester Railway. Edge hill engine station
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- Опубліковано 3 лют 2025
- The Liverpool to Manchester Railway. Edge hill cutting was built by George Stephenson. The cutting is on the approach to The Crown Street station the Liverpool terminus of the Liverpool to Manchester railway. The cutting held the static steam engines that hauled railway trucks up the Wapping Tunnel. It was also adorned by the Moorish arch. George Stephenson's wonderful piece of Moorish architecture. We also take a brief look at the Crown street tunnel. This is the birthplace of the modern railways.
How can it be that we have such significant history literally under our feet ....... and be unaware of it?
The place should be a historic place of significance, recognised as such and preserved!
Martin, you do yourself (and us) proud!
Like battlefields...unlike the USA, many of these historic places are simply forgotten about and the general public are unaware of their existence.
Absolutely. What a superb visitor attraction this could be. It would be public money (levelling up) very well spent in my opinion.
Sorry Dave, didn't see your comment before I wrote mine. We couldn't agree more 👍
Not all of us are unaware of it.
@@terryhutchinson6503 Of course Terry. That's why we watch and gain such a great education. I meant further afield than those who are obviously fascinated with our history.
I'm breath taken that it all arill exists in the centre of a modern city. Such a shame that its not open to the public but makes your video all the more special. Thank you.
Pretty amazing stuff, this is almost like seeing Mayan ruins from a long lost once grand civilisation being uncovered!
Thats how it felt Peter
Even more amazing if you found any in Liverpool! 😉😉
I've always loved the approach to Lime Street, especially in the summer with hanging vines and green-tinged light illuminating the mysterious ruins. The same thought as yourself regarding a lost civilisation has struck me on many an occasion so had to comment!
@@MartinZeroHi Martin if you’re ever in Liverpool again you should check out the pictures on the walls at the Childwall fiveways pub, there’s pictures showing the excavation work taking place at Edge Hill, obviously I’m sure these pictures are available elsewhere and I’m sure there are others if you know were to look.
Should be a world heritage site, it's beautiful. Should not have been vandalised like this its such a shame. We should all be proud of this tunnel. Thanks for a fab video. ❤😊
I think its been granted world heritage site now..❤
Fabulous Martin. It gives me a great deal of pride to say that the first proper railway was in our area the great north west of England👍👍can’t wait for the next instalment pal.
I’ve not long finished as a trackman , luckily I’m still in the railway industry (on the training side of the industry). I’ve pretty much worked from edge hill and all the way chat moss on various rail projects. The Chat Moss line is just one big long piece of history including many of the stations and the infrastructure along the chat moss route . Great vid again mate , always good to see you in my hometown.
Hi Martin, well done, another really great clip. Appreciate how you investigate and explain the details.
The maps make all the difference, great presentation...thanks mate
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Another one of Martin's Marvellously Magnificent Mind-blowing Mega-interesting Documentaries, I'm burning with curiosity and eagerly looking forward to part two ❗
Wow, and double Wow!!! Great history lesson, never expected to see this up to date view of a classic picture, brilliant. Roll,on the next vid👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻❤
This is part of British history. It's part of the Industrial Revolution that can be stepped into, explored and touched but not for long if left to decay. If there's anything that should be 'listed' and preserved then it's this. Great informative and educational vid.
My dear brother in the Love of what the Railroad History does to BOTH of us!! Thanks to you, Martin, I got to have a religious experience as if I were there with you! It just BLOWS MY MIND as it apparently does yours! I applaud your work and I'll give you a ring here and there (so to speak) and watch for more exciting adventures!! I AM HOOKED my friend, thank you!!
Thanks very much Paul
Martin, greetings from Ireland, thanks for making my Sunday night so enjoyable.
Martin!!! Brilliant!! Another amazing history lesson, so well put together. Such a crime that such a unique, historically important piece of British industrial architecture is being overtaken by nature, and hidden away from the public. Isn't there any way that the whole site can be cleared, stablised and then somehow made available for the public to view?? These places are integral to what made Britain a world beater. Its a complete tragedy to see our amazing history gradually crumbling into the undergrowth. Thank you Martin for bringing this history to life for us👍👍👍 keep doing what you do. Because we need someone to do this vital work.
All best wishes. Lee .
I moved to Scotland and am always amazed how many grants we get via Westminster for the most mundane projects you could imagine ,none of which are of any use . Pity some of the money couldn’t be diverted to start this project , would definitely be worth every penny
I'm sorry Lee... But you have to remember that we are no longer allowed to celebrate our past.
Indeed. On a daily basis we are told (nay, TOLD) we must apologise for our history.
Because we did it all on "slave labour".... Mmmm...
Well, my folks going back hundreds of years never made a penny out of "slave labour".
I'd be surprised if your folks did....or even very few readers on here.
Indeed, many of my forefathers were slaves to the system of the era long after the Slavery Abolition Bill.
We still had kids down mines...up chimneys.......
I wonder how many "slaves" were employed in the construction of these works depicted here..... None.
Not in the accepted sense: They were all locals. Working for a pittance. But the job got done.
For the country...... because that was how it was. We moved on.
Sadly, some folk cannot.....
Some people, like "Sir" Lenny Henry deem it necessary to remind us of the past.
Trying to make us choke on our history...whilst he can forget the atrocities of "his fellow people". Nauseating.
(Hardly surprising...given his total lack of talent in any other area.)
I will never, ever, "apologise" for my nation. To anyone. Least of all, to any hypocrite.
Sorry. I digress.
I agree.... Why is this place not showcased.....? I don't know.
The Manchester end of the line is a fine museum. First Passenger Railway Station in the World.
Take care.
@@patagualianmostly7437 You're correct about the slaves (as they worked in the plantations in the Americas & Asia), but the fact that the aristocracy exploited both slaves & the common people is unfortunately a part of history that can't be altered. In fact we should always remember the past so we can prevent those negative & painful aspects of society occurring again!
It is simply amazing to make comparisons with railway engineering only five years previous. This was on such a Herculean scale!
The amount of excavation of the building of the cuttings and tunnels in that sandstone was one hell of an achievement, Martin. If the cutting was completed in 1830, then it must have taken quite some time before that date, to start on the job. Just think, no heavy plant machinery or anything near that. The whole thing is a mind blower, and many thanks for producing this program with very good explanation and photos included. The steam tunnel to Edge Hill - incredible, by the way.
Even though sedimentary-sandstone is relatively soft, the navies dug it all out by pick & shovel, so quite an achievement!
Truly Astonishing
There was a gentleman who was so rich that when Liverpool fell on hard times he paid people to dig tunnels to keep employment up, there called the Williams tunnels
Love the enthusiasm for history and engineering - it's great - thanks!
This is one of those videos where there's something interesting to see in every shot
Another mind blowing view of history brought to life!
Great job Martian!
Thanks Adam
Thanks a lot for the video. I grew up in Liverpool from the age of 12. I've just spent ¼ hour studying Google maps following the line of the Wapping tunnel. It's amazing how much is still too be seen. The arches and the end by the docks, the cuttings by the docks and another two ventilation towers. There's even a newish building that's been built in two parts so it doesn't sit on the tunnel. This should be preserved and opened to the public, again thanks from South Germany.
Reminds me a lot of the setting of the Alec Guinness film “The LadyKillers”
brilliant martin very educational very interesting
Fantastic! You do yourself proud with every single video! You deserve to be on tv 😗
Thanks Charlie
Martin! You've done it! The Holy Grail.
We've all grown up looking at those drawings/paintings in the railway history books.
Gobsmacked and mesmerized !.......I am speechless actually... I usually wait before I watch your videos, Martin, they are so fantastic, and I am transported out of any depressive state I might be in ! Thank you for all you do ..
Thanks very much Annne, glad you find them Cheerie
That artwork at the start is AMAZING..... "The Lost City of Petra" in Jordan came to mind, Hmmm. Martin, you are so lucky to have so much history to explore and to help keep the story alive. I would rather spend 4 days there than at Disneyland any day. George Stephenson was a amazing man. Thanks to you and your team and network rail.... Will have coffee at the ready for the next video. "Where's James?"
Disneyland....Ha ha ha... That cracked me up...big style!
@@patagualianmostly7437 I'm not joking..... "REALLY"
Wow, my tiny mind finds this architecture beyond comprehension. Liverpool sure looks interesting with all its conduits and tunnels and dungeons. It's a whole life, almost forgotten. Thanks 🌼 🤗
Looks so Amazing and Advanced for Horse and Cart Technology 🤩
If you think that's impressive then check out 'The mole of Edgehill' who excavate a rabbit warren of tunnels to give employment to the locals: ua-cam.com/video/DEhJ3scy3QA/v-deo.html
Amazing Historical significance this video now holds. In 100 years your video Martin will be referenced for historians. Great Stuff and really enjoyed it.
I am of the same outlook and feelings as you, as I was fortunate to be invited to visit this wonderful place in July 2923. In next few years It Will Have The Official Stature It Deserves!.
Martin and the chap’s 💪🧠🤝 sending good thoughts…..💙Nathan 🙋♂️🙏
I loved the video thanks Martin 👍
Fascinating, should be made a world heritage site. Thanks for taking us on a historic journey 👍
Tunnels and Trains. Two of my most favorite topics that Martin is a master at documenting and making great videos of.
Thank you
Wow that was just fascinating to watch when you think of all the work that's gone into those tunnels and the engineering involved from back in the day. The whole site is just amazing full of History. You always find these really historical places which are a real treat to look, it's just a shame sometimes that these places aren't looked after so they don't just collapse over time and get filled in. I'm looking forward to the next episode now the walk down the tunnel.
I totally agree!
Very interesting vid Martin ,look forward to the next one ,beats anything on TV
Thanks very much Steve
Well done Martin, always welcome in Liverpool. Love your obvious enthusiasm for your subject. Would love to see you make other Liverpool based subjects ie some of the outstanding architecture and buildings in the city would be great.
Hi Mark... Yes, he does a brilliant job of illustrating the histories of our two fabulous cities.
(Can you tell me of any other two Cities...just 35 miles apart...that have done the same for the world?)
I watch from the other side of the world...and I love to hear his accent... from my childhood/teenage/Adult years!
So glad that you can appreciate it too. Stay well.
Thankyou , I agree with you an unbelievable place , how could this colossal historical structure be forgotten.
As a child of twelve (1973) I couldn’t understand why a small station like Edge hill had so many railway lines and carriages around it .
My parents didn’t know either, my “school “ was only four miles away and adjacent to the original railway line but it was never taught.
So much lost heritage but I now hope like you that this world heritage construction has a future, imagine being able to take an electric (battery ) tram / bus from Edge hill to the docks .
There is nothing like this in the entire world.
Best wishes Steve.
A truly unique and insightful video presentation of one of the great breakthroughs in the industrial revolution that changed the world. Well Done Martin & Thank You
The scale of the effort to produce the cutting through solid rock is staggering when the technology of the day is considered.
Just watched this for the second time ( I’ve recently seen more of your Wapping videos) so rewatching this is clarifying things, all your presentations are very, very good, your perspective on our industrial history is excellent. Thanks MZ. Eccles
You are a great story teller and you know what your talking about great stuff as always
Wonderful engineering for that times. Could they even do this today. Great video thanks
Railways are always cool!
Indeed they are
something so historically important should be restored and preserved
I know, thats how I feel
Good stuff Martin can’t wait for part 2 😁🧱👍🏼
This is one of your best videos Martin, thank you for all your research and hard work.
Brilliant and interesting as always Martin some amazing engineering 👌
Fantastic Martin, industrial history at its finest on a par with the canal trap door well done bloody amazing thanks. 😊
Great video of an astonishing site. I find it hard to comprehend that a site of global historical, and technological importance, created by one of the greatest engineers, and problem solvers of ALL TIME, has been left to be over run by nature.
It's something I've never been able to get my head round, frankly. Hopefully your video will make more people aware. Some might even be in a position to do something, and think:
'Hang on a minute. That can't be right...' 👍👍👍
Is that also where the world's first railway fatality occurred? William Huskisson, MP, was run down by The Rocket, severing his legs.
I thought Huskisson was hit further towards Manchester? Somewhere around Newton le willows?
@@nicksteele9436 - I wasn't sure - I know it was on the opening day, but exactly where has puzzled me.
He was hit at the other end on the opening day
@@mikegrace - Thank you. Still a great tragedy, though. You have the rail company touting this as a fast, new, and safe mode of transport - and an MP is accidentally run down and mortally injured on the same day. You couldn't make it up.
@@brianartillery yes,like the titanic was unsinkable
I always find it stunning just how precise the brickwork on these things is
It's a shame though that a lot of places like these are left to rot away and be forgotten
It’s always so sad to see shadows of our industrial past, echo’s still alive in the walls and structures all around us. Your videos always light up the past that help keep our history alive. Magnificent video as always Martin, very well put together. 🙌
I've always wanted to know more about this station! It can't be emphasized enough how confident the owners were that their railroad would be a success that they spent so much time and money to excavate and build such a monumental structure before even one train ran. That such an important part of Britain's railroad history is falling into ruin is despicable! This station and railroad made Liverpool and Manchester into the industrial centers they they are today!
Mmm.... Pinch of smelling salts needed there Bulletube.... Times change and neither Liverpool nor Manchester are the Industrial Power Houses they once were.... Long ago, yes. But mega Containerships have killed both places as "Ports".
Liverpool is trying to re-invent itself as a Cruise Ship Terminal..... Good luck with that.
Manchester was the Steam Locomotive constructor of its day. Worldwide.
Manchester had the biggest Industrial Estate in Europe.
Manchester. (I believe ). was the birthplace of the modern computer.
On the other hand: Liverpool was the birthplace of modern industrial unrest. Purely for political reasons.
35 miles or so seperate Manchester & Liverpool..... Unbelievable. Breaks my heart. It really does.
@@patagualianmostly7437 I know it's hard to believe but industrialization has ceased in many parts of the world as companies move to countries with cheap labor. But the cities do live on reinventing themselves as they always have. (I'm really an incurable optimist!)
The Liverpool to Manchester Railway also brings my Beatle-Mania to near boiling! I've been an accomplished guitar player, thanks largely to the work of the Fab 4! I remember everything from their first ever show, and I was 6 (1958)! That's enough outta me!
Cracking vid. I was alerted to your channel by Hull History Nerd, who's doing a series on watercourses in Cottingham, Hull. He describes you as 'a brave man' and he's not wrong there! I spent many years in Manchester, and have travelled between there and Liverpool by rail many times. You really do get a sense of awe, seeing the massive cuttings out of the train window.. Somehow it's even MORE amazing when it's raining, so it's amazing a helluva lot of the time! 🤣I look forward to seeing more of this fascinating and valuable content. Nice one Martin! 👍
Goosebumps watching this amazing location!
In the giant foot steps of George Stevenson walks Martin! Awesome video!
This should be a tv series 👍
Fantastic history Martin great video
Fascinating as always Martin. you're as much a treasure as the ones you discover and bring to us. Thank you!
Amazing what is still around from years gone by. It’s was also built to last.
Amazing. For all the TV documentarys I've seen....yours is the first to fully explane that cutting area....👍
Cheers Ian
I bet it was very tempting to go down that piped steam tunnel towards Edge Hill station.
It was Mary
The railway tunnel to the docks is really tantalising, such a massive complex of tunnels. I'd love it if someone uploaded a video of them going through the entire complex at some point
Just came across your video by accident, as a kid and adult I've taken the train from lime street to roby more times than I could count I would look out of the window at all the abandoned tunnels and infrastructure and wonder what it used to be like , I remember the old train sheds at edge hill that was a scrap yard before it was demolished years ago , thanks for the video very informative
That was kinACE... Cheers...
Began watching the Wapping Tunnel video but came here when you mentioned this one preceded it!
Fascinating look into the very early days of the railways which should be preserved as much as possible!
That steam-tunnel to Edge Hill Station explains the reason for that tunnel that runs along the rear of the boiler-caverns!
Wow! That's amazing. It would be great if some of that whole system could be reconstructed. Just think what a wonderful method of teaching it would be. Much better for kids particularly than dry drawings and words.
That was great Martin. A real eye-opener. It's a pity it can't be preserved as a museum with replica machinery to highlight the way it used to be. Mind you, the amount of overgrowth down there, it'll have its own little 'eco-system' to itself now. From a smokey hole to being part of the 'Lungs Of Liverpool', as it were. It's a pity it can't be managed to give Home-less folk a decent pitch in the bad weather...but that means spending money. A fantastic tour of the site and the tunnels. Thank you Network Rail for the guided access. Amazing stuff, Martin. You Keep Safe and Well. Cheers!
Fantastic video again Martin, really enjoyed it.
Excellent work!
More like this Martin please fantastic
Cheers Stephen
Been into Liverpool many many times through Edge Hill and didn't know those original cutting where there. I do now, cheers Martin for another eyeopener vlog.
This really was historic. I remember seeing the old drawing pictures from the cut and thought the place was long gone. And here it was, with you Martin right in the historic place. Good work and goos filming.
Best regards from Denmark
Thank you
Thank you Martin, for taking us with you to the holy grounds for every train enthousiast in the world!
Your videos are never a disappointment. All the info and backstory. Golden! Thank you from Bakersfield California USA and 40 miles from the world famous Tehachapi Loop railroad passage which I road as a passenger un 1971 just before all passenger service for this section was stopped for ever. Now it is only freight service. Google it and see all the tunnels. Thank you. 💪🏽🙏💙🐝
Thanks Katherine I will
Outstanding, thanks for letting us see these tunnels that we would probably never get to see. I can't wait for the Wapping Tunnel video 😁
Great Video Martin , I have been down there myself many times back in the 80s , it wasn't so overgrown back then, Liverpool was great for railway remains back in tbe 80s with fragments of the original Liverpool Central still visible and Riverside station also .
The engineering is brilliant. Thank you for the outstanding video
Wicked 👌 amazing what has been built in the past. Them tunnels, 😮 the achievement of man against a big rock.
great video fella, looking forward to seeing the next ✌🏼🤟🏻💯
That mention of the Wollaton waggonway, that is one end, Wollaton Hall and estate, but the other end was up in Strelley village, quite literally just around the corner from me. You can still find "shadows" of it in the grounds around Strelley Hall if you know where to look. It supplied coal from the bell pit mines to Wollaton hall.
Someone needs to get some video of that! I stopped the video at that same place so I could look up the Wollaton Hall area. I know Nottingham doesn't seem to have nearly the same number of urbanex ruins that the Manchester area does, but there are *some* I have come across just in casual Google maps exploration and they don't appear to be as well documented, either. Wish we had a Martin Zero in the east Midlands.
@@alexac3098 Yeah, Nottingham has been kept fairly "tidy" in terms of old constructions, especially in and around the centre, mainly due to the city centre being quite a small area for a mid-size city. Of course we do have things like the old rail tunnels under the centre of town and also the hundreds of caves, but sadly most of those are completely inaccessible due to private ownership and bricking up. There are still plenty of old rail routes still visible if you know where to go looking.
Wonderful video Martin! Thanks for posting
Thanks very much Micah
What a amazing stuff. My heart as a railroadenthusiast will beaten higher, when I see this! Wonderful!!!
A few folk have covered some of these tunnels but no one does a documentary like you Martin. It’s great how you do your research and then present the history and you do bring it to life. Thank you for giving us such a brilliant insight into amazing history which needs to be preserved. When I was a boy in the late 70s I walked through the short tunnel from the goods yard. Back then the goods yard which is the park now was just derelict, it was just brown soil, rubble, undergrowth and s***e everywhere. When I got through into the cutting I could see the other 2 tunnels but I would not consider even looking into them as I was too scared to venture in alone. Also the area was very rough and walking up Myrtle Street just to the south, a black lad hurled a glass bottle down from the 6th storey flat he was perched upon. He just glared at me. Fortunately the bottle just missed me and smashed by my feet. This was prior to the Toxteh riots and tensions were massive … very sad really as I hadn’t done anything to provoke this lad except walk through his turf.
Liverpool was a dangerous and rough place then but still amazing in its rich culture and peoples. The Albert Docks were an incredible playground for me as this was about 2 or 3 years before they started to restore the docks. Imagine the atmosphere where you walk around those warehouses back then, the basins were almost level at the top with thick brown slimes mud that stank lol! The upper windows of the docks were all open, the old cranes bolted to the walls for lifting cargo out of the ships… and pigeons would coo and flutter out of derelict upper windows and it was quiet like the grave… an amazing time, I wish I’d had video to record it as it’s all gone and it’s restored … tye time that Boys From the Blackstuff was filmed …. Giz a job… I can do dat… go on giz a job… lol 😂
Absolutely fascinating Martin! I wondered why that cutting was abandoned, now I know why! Thanks for that video and the one to come which I look forward to!
Very good Martin - I like the Paintings @ the beginning of the Vid!!! Did not realise that cutting still existed!!!😎🚂🚂🚂
Superb work Martin. You really do capture the amazing work of those days and your enthusiasm shines through. Thank you.
Really enjoyed that film Martin. It us much better being accompanied by Network Rail employees. It gives your films higher qudos and authority that other urban explorers who are merely tresspassing. Well done.
Brilliant brilliant brilliant. Seen another video about the cutout, by "Be here", but much more fulfilling by you...
Looking very much forward to the sequel.
Ive gone through this station all my life and for 4 years day to day, its a shame its been left the way it is. It was literally the start of our modern age and would be another huge tourist attractin to Liverpool
An excellent series of well put together, informative, interesting, well presented and cross referenced films. Thank you Martin.
Thanks very much
Nice one Martin 👍 once again you never fail to deliver an interesting video on subjects regarding our local railways, rivers, canals and their architectural infrastructure 😊
Brilliant Martin, that was an amazing day. I think if you'd made that video an hour, it wouldn't cover it all.
Yeah great day Mike, so much to see
Your videos are worth watching for the 2nd time.... thanks
Thanks Yasin
As a small child remember looking from direction of Myrtle Gardens, a pair of Gates in too an abandoned goods yard (even then, i knew what i was looking at , with mixture of coal dust and Oil) this was the early 70’s 2 tunnels to the right of chimneys/ vents too the left when looking from Myrtle gardens, not Long, loads of rubble at end in direction of Edgehill😀
Always wandered what Those tunnels where, i was probably 4-5 years Old then, would not happen today😀 thanks😀
Very impressive documentary, full of historical interest. Looking forward to 'walking' Wapping Tunnel. Well done!
Two words: Fantastic video! I thoroughly enjoyed it! I thought you did a great job at bringing the cutting back to life with the old drawings. And I know one thing for sure, you must've been absolutely gutted not to be able to go slipping off all the way through that steam tunnel! I know I would be! Cheers.
Martin, you have excelled yourself here. I think this is your best video yet. You are dead right. It is fascinating!!!!
Fantastic video of a truly remarkable place in our history. Well done.
What a magnificent achievement those Victorian engineers created in building these tunnels and cuttings. It’s amazing that they cut into the rock to create these railway structures. That steam tunnel to Edge Hill is incredible. Another great video production Martin well done 👌
This has to be one of the best ones yet Martin . Such a shame it left to get overgrown
I would love to get down there and look around this historical place 🚂
Cutting edge info many thanks for showing this 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😎👌regards fred ps I was quite emotional at the end of this vid