I really love that form... one day I will learn it! :-) @ Salvatore Canzonieri: Thanks a lot for all the great articles you wrote about the Chinese Martial Arts!!! The one about "Rou Quan" was also VERY interresting!
@TheDrCritic I assume it's real; After all, one of the legends of Zhang Sanfeng is that he was a Shaolin monk and an expert in Crane Boxing. Most of the martial arts of China tend to "intermix" and "inform" one another, because their internal principles are the same.
Amitoufo_/\_ Nice share you got there! That's a very interesting routine that got me a bit curious. Do you by chance know if the Shaolin Rou Quan 108 forms came from same school or lineage as this 13 form? In other words is the 108 forms the 2nd Rou Quan set? I've heard that there is another school that teaches 1st and 2nd routine where both contains 36 forms each. Thanks.
Well, the 108 and this one are from the same original teacher, the late Monk Shi Degen and his student Zhu Tianxi. Shi Degen also taught the two 36 form Shaolin Rou Quan routines, as does Shaolin temple today and as also taught in the Dengfeng village area, but they are from a different original founder.
Salvatore Canzonieri So that would mean both the two 36-form routines came first? How about the equally popular 18-form routine? Does it belong to the 13-form and 108-form lineage? Thanks.
So, the way I see it, Either this is the original form that was the basis for Chen family style from before it was called TaiJi, or it is a modern reconstruction and ShaoLin is trying to ride on the popularity of Chen shi TaiJiQuan. The answer to this could also either confirm or deny the claim that TongBei is the real origin of TaiJi.
The founder of Tong Bei, Dong Bongzhai, the real one not the legendary one, first studied at Shaolin, where he learned the Hong Quan system, which included Taizhi Chang Quan and Rou Quan and Xiao Hong Quan, THEN he learned Taoist spear play. He combined all these to create the earliest version of Tong Bei Quan (I have some really ancient Chinese book with this information). Later he wound up meeting with people from Chen and Li family. They developed the earliest version of Chen martial arts from this influence. It still wasnt Chen Tai Ji Quan yet, but the building blocks of it.
Well the shaolin Taizu Chang Quan set is the model that was used for the Chen Laconia set. The Chen set follows it step by step. I wrote many articles about it and my website has charts that maps all the moves one to one Of course if you look at how Shaolin does that set now you would not see it.
Yes, I love your website and respect the effort you put into research. Nonetheless, this set appears have a different shen fa from other Shaolin rouquan sets, so I don't think we should eliminate the possibility that this is a modern reconstruction created to lend credence to the theory that Shaolin is the origin of TaiJi. If you know something I don't, then I apologize for being argumentative.
@@ambulocetusnatans yes, the WAY is done in THIS video some modern, but the material is not. The set was passed done from Shi De Gen, the last great Shaolin master from the old times, he preserved Rou Quan, Louhan Quan, and Xinyi Ba from extinction.
Super nice guy. met him in 1999 in zhengzhou. brought us to visit zhu tian xi and his beautiful daughter. and drank his bu lau jiu.
@TheDrCritic shaolin Rou Quan is said to be one of the oldest of the shaolin fists, much older than Taijiquan
I really love that form... one day I will learn it! :-)
@ Salvatore Canzonieri:
Thanks a lot for all the great articles you wrote about the Chinese Martial Arts!!!
The one about "Rou Quan" was also VERY interresting!
Performed by martial arts professor:
Mao Jing Guang
I don't think he is in Deng Feng, but he is very well known in China.
Awesome thank you
Know anywhere I can view the "36 Luohan Quan" I think it's origin is Ermei, it is performed slowly like, hard Qi Kung
thx again SC...could use a situ for this set
very good
Nice form.
@TheDrCritic I assume it's real; After all, one of the legends of Zhang Sanfeng is that he was a Shaolin monk and an expert in Crane Boxing. Most of the martial arts of China tend to "intermix" and "inform" one another, because their internal principles are the same.
I so love that form!!!
Does someone know where master Mao Jing Guang live?
Loving the music, can somebody tell me who it is by?
the music is from Quan Yin, buddha of compassion in chinese equivalent to the tibetan feminine goddes of compassion TARA
Amitoufo_/\_ Nice share you got there! That's a very interesting routine that got me a bit curious. Do you by chance know if the Shaolin Rou Quan 108 forms came from same school or lineage as this 13 form? In other words is the 108 forms the 2nd Rou Quan set? I've heard that there is another school that teaches 1st and 2nd routine where both contains 36 forms each. Thanks.
Well, the 108 and this one are from the same original teacher, the late Monk Shi Degen and his student Zhu Tianxi. Shi Degen also taught the two 36 form Shaolin Rou Quan routines, as does Shaolin temple today and as also taught in the Dengfeng village area, but they are from a different original founder.
Salvatore Canzonieri
So that would mean both the two 36-form routines came first? How about the equally popular 18-form routine? Does it belong to the 13-form and 108-form lineage? Thanks.
Who is the master demonstrating the form? Does he have a school in Dengfeng?
影像品質不行，中文和英文解說重疊，十分雜亂
rou quan is a sholin form isen't it?
it is tai chi
So, the way I see it, Either this is the original form that was the basis for Chen family style from before it was called TaiJi, or it is a modern reconstruction and ShaoLin is trying to ride on the popularity of Chen shi TaiJiQuan. The answer to this could also either confirm or deny the claim that TongBei is the real origin of TaiJi.
The founder of Tong Bei, Dong Bongzhai, the real one not the legendary one, first studied at Shaolin, where he learned the Hong Quan system, which included Taizhi Chang Quan and Rou Quan and Xiao Hong Quan, THEN he learned Taoist spear play. He combined all these to create the earliest version of Tong Bei Quan (I have some really ancient Chinese book with this information). Later he wound up meeting with people from Chen and Li family. They developed the earliest version of Chen martial arts from this influence. It still wasnt Chen Tai Ji Quan yet, but the building blocks of it.
Just look at his palm strike..
Supposedly pre Qing.
Buddah be praised.
Well the shaolin Taizu Chang Quan set is the model that was used for the Chen Laconia set. The Chen set follows it step by step. I wrote many articles about it and my website has charts that maps all the moves one to one
Of course if you look at how Shaolin does that set now you would not see it.
Chen Lao Jia set. Damb autocorrect
Yes, I love your website and respect the effort you put into research. Nonetheless, this set appears have a different shen fa from other Shaolin rouquan sets, so I don't think we should eliminate the possibility that this is a modern reconstruction created to lend credence to the theory that Shaolin is the origin of TaiJi. If you know something I don't, then I apologize for being argumentative.
I started a thread at RSF that you might find intriguing rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26500&sid=c6ed7de679c28999b36a5b3083e16e0b
@@ambulocetusnatans yes, the WAY is done in THIS video some modern, but the material is not. The set was passed done from Shi De Gen, the last great Shaolin master from the old times, he preserved Rou Quan, Louhan Quan, and Xinyi Ba from extinction.
the music is from Quan Yin, buddha of compassion in chinese equivalent to the tibetan feminine goddes of compassion TARA