Wait Until You Ride A Stark Varg...
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And truth be told the lack of noise (while we all can agree definitely detracts from the sport) opens up so many more places to ride. Pesky neighbors have one less thing to complain about.
Watching moto e is cool tho hearing just the tires
True, but my ❤❤❤ is wedded to 2 strokes.
all youd here is just the chain slapping 😂
In future, there will be no land to ride at all, lol. Noise is not a problem, you can make ICE quiet easily. +2kg, - 3% HP and you are quiet.
Great for no-disturbance riding. Game changer for many folks. Imagine having a track inside the city limits.
How else are you going to set an entire city block on fire ?
@@butchgreene oh, yeah. 3 Stark Varg youtube fires and they are fooked. "Breaking news, Southern California in flames from Stark Varg fires". oops
@@1176hambone never thought it possible until what is happening in Lahaina, Maui. Now it seems very real
@@butchgreene Hey, whats happening there? City track??
The Varg is awesome & I’ll agree, I almost felt better on that than I do on my 450 - even with the production bars, suspension, etc.
People obviously have some pretty harsh opinions on it, but once they experience it I truly believe it’ll become more accepted within the industry.
Yeah, unfortunately most of those that have harsh opinions haven’t ridden one, don’t understand what it does for the sport, or think someone is going to take their ICE toy away. Or they just make silly irrelevant comments about politics or generators or something.
@@kurtheidelbachyeah, it's not like there's already a ban on small gas engines going into effect in 2024 in California... I bet you also voted for Brandon and support adolescent sex change surgeries.
@@user-ro6zk4ex7z Yeah real relevant comment 🤦🏻♂ Typical irrelevant political comment. The Varg has nothing to do with climate change, politics, sex, or generators .Yes, there is a ban on small engines in CA. That’s extremely old news.
Easier to ride is cool for weekend warriors. But in professional racing I like that the best riders are so technically good that they are mastering clutch and gears and all those things.
It's kind of pitiful thatF1 gear changes are just buttons now. Upshifting, downshifting and clutch manipulation are quite literally talents that define a riders success.
like having to find the power band and actually shift around the track when men were men and they rode real MX bikes? hehe 2-strokes > 4-strokes > e-bikes. there's no question that e-bikes are easier. but there's also no question that 4-strokes made racers lazier/less skilled as well. imo, Eli Tomac would still smoke Matt Burkeen if they're both on Stark Vargs (once they've both adjusted to the machines). fwiw, I'm kind of miffed that ppl look like fat/overweight mutants wearing their chest protectors under their jerseys, and that modern MX pants look like spandex yoga pants. iunno. times change, I guess. saw it with 4-strokes running 3rd gear around the entire track. gonna see it again in 5-10 years when there are no gears to shift on e-bikes. but maybe by then ppl will stop wearing those ridiculously large, over-the-protector, jerseys. 😄
@daneg bro just said less skilled lmfao. None of are athletes are less skilled because of a 4 stroke. That's just crazy talk
@@kaneCarter_ they require less skill. less clutch work. less shifting. less skill. lug around the track in the same gear.
So then why not put them all on Elsinores?
need to buy like 5 at your personal track lights at night type stewert compund - no noise
Our sport is extremely resistant to change in general unfortunately. I have read so many stupid comments about sound, smell, and politics. The focus should be on the growth opportunities to the sport and things that e bikes open up and enhance.
Nothing stupid about people saying they like the smell and sound
@@kaneCarter_ No but it absolutely is to say that’s what makes racing and it would be terrible without it. Deaf people sure hate racing today.
some conservatism give people possibility to ride at all. Compare it to autosport or downhill and you will understand that expensive technologies restrict most of people from participation. Second, electric bikes exist for long time already. You don't need to compete straight away with 450, just compete in own class. Such solution used everywhere. In Russia there is retro class because a lot of old bikes. In China they have Chinese bikes class etc. The problem what I see with Stark, Alta and etc, is that they make everything twice more expensive.
So only focus on the possible good and ignore the guaranteed negative?
@@inevespacethe real problem with Stark and companies like them is that they are ran by liberals. Whom are too focused on their cause to see any logic in front of them.
Makes for bad businessmen.
Tesla only succeeded because it is heavily subsidized.
Id set up the hand controls like a bicycle.
Bicycle controls in the US are typically opposite of motorcycles, I've always wondered why (front brake on the left).
I should have let Kris ride mine.
You should let all of us ride yours 😎
- How is the new state treating you mang?
This really opened up my mind and I think I have some pretty good ideas regarding the situation with not being able to hear riders coming up on you on electric bikes when coexisting with 2 and 4-stroke bikes and of course we can talk about some type of horn system or loud warning sound but I was thinking I've had this idea in the past have some company like bose develop a speaker system and have them hidden on the bike and inconspicuous areas and you can have a app setup and have them match the decibels of their surrounding bikes and have either a two-stroke sound or four-stroke sound but have it all integrated into a real system of when you actually throttle the electric bike it will make the sound of your choosing whether be a two-stroke 300 a two-stroke 125 a 4-stroke 450 etc etc but the technological aspect would be for the system to recognize how loud the bikes are surrounding the electric bike as to have enough Decibels to match the Sounds of the other bikes but anyways just taking it not with the safety thing but just for something cool,... have the integrated audio system setup in in users can control the volume they can control the type of bike they can make it sound nothing they can have it sound like a classic panhead harley,....or a19th century locoMOTIVE.....OR A NASCAR ENGINE.......submarine diesel engine sounds they can have the sound of a F-16 fighter pilot they have the sounds of a P-51 Mustang and when that electric bike rider revs that throttle it'll be like they're REVVING a real P-51 Mustang from 1940s how that actually would sound and POSSIBLY AI WOULD COORDINATE AND INTEGTRATE THE DYNAMIC NATURE OF THE SOUNDS TO BE MOST REALISTIC TO OUR EAR..AND AI... would probably really recreate those sounds perfectly be a perfect bridge to bridge the electric ........combustion Gap and have the electric as have as many traits as a previous ERAS MACHINES AS TO SAVOR AND PROMOTE NOSTALGIA AND A CONNECTION TO OUR PAST AS BIKE ,LOVER, ENGINE LOVERS, DATA, I FORMATION, INNOVATION LOVERS,..and the app would be interactive and linked to an onli e site thats the center hub for he bikes culture.....so it will have the day ricky johnson won the suoercross race at , such and such, so today u get to hear exactly whaT rickys 1986 CR250 SOUNDED LIKE THE NIGHT OF THAT RACE, to honor the day in motocross history....... someone that day the Riders get the rider electric bikes and sound like Griffey Johnson's 86 CR250 like I just said and get appreciation for the past all linked to the app and the site whatever Doug Henry won the 97 Las Vegas deal on the yz400 and whatever date that was have the electric bikes on that day sound like that bike from that night to remember the night that four-stroke technology cemented itself into the main possibility of replacing 2-stroke........NEWAYS......I MUST SAY THOUGH THT audio is SHURLY affects me like if it wasn't for the sound that my 2-stroke made I don't think I would be into motorcycles as much cuz that's how big the sound is for me I'm a sound APHILE or an AUDIOPHLE FOR CRISP 2 STROKES IN 60 DEGREE AIR, JETTED PERFECTLY....... it propels me,.... it motivates me to keep going and I don't ride to relax I ride to have energized exciting experience and I only ride Two Strokes for that but like you said it is very so many factors he had to take in that detract from the the flow. OF the experience.... you HAVE clutch you got to shift you got to MODULATE, STAY NEUTRALLY, WORRY BOUT ENGINE STALLING, OVERHEATING, take a look ahead and worry about the terrain you have to do all these things and not focus on the fundamentals and possibly you engage your fight-or-flight brain or like me and I go into a a session already to do some drills and practice like after watching Rhino for an hour and a half of getting on the balls in the feet,... unlock the hips don't round the back in the shoulders keep your torso straight Yadi Yadi yada yada then direction you want to go but us humans are so good at forgetting really quick forgetting the pain forgetting how shity was it we just stumbled ahead hoping for the best but hey I rather have that kind of amnesia LOL
Yeah I can’t tell you the silly comments I’ve seen about sound. They can make it sound like whatever you want LOL. Heck, I had one on my bicycle in the 70’s 😂😂😂
I’ve had some of the best riding times of my life on electric. Hopping on one is like being a dirtbike riding virgin all over again!!!
Switching back to gas again after weeks of electric make gas fun all over again too! The haters only hate because they’ve never been on one. Anyone who’s ridden one doesn’t hate.
You probably gonna re-lose your virginity in the metaverse too right?
Yeah it’s amazing the stupid comments you hear and the rationale. Have no idea of the application and growth for the sport nor have they even been on one LOL. It will be a great way to separate the fake fans though.
@@S0RELOSER well the day that happens you'll be in there too. Last video game I played was Supercross Circuit 24 years ago.
@@kurtheidelbach the ego projected around it above is hilarious. They have no clue.
this bike is the dream, for sure getting one!
Rich parents that are sick of dropping off/picking up 14yo kids have bought them Surrons so many of em in packs of 3-5 riding around stealth mode learning wheelies/bike control than otherwise would not be. Tons of kids are being prepped for the streets/tracks/trails now bc there is no school bus systems in Orange County and parents want kids riding themselves to school instead of them having to be the kid taxi lol. Kids dont wanna peddle to school when they see their buddy going 45mph to school and then ripping up the dirt spots on way home. We just had an HOA head lady bulldoze the jumps behind our hood here in Huntington Beach bc the ebike kids were going nuts and old people STILL complained on the silent bikes bc they hear the kids having fun. Ebikes are bringing 2 wheels back to suburbs thats a great thing. If the chinese ebikes gets em off chinese cell phones and having fun than im all for it. At least they dont need to worry about jetting carbs and oiling filters
Absolutely
Think ever dirtbike lover needs a two stroke, four-stroke and a electric bike for stealthy city stuff and you can ride a electric dirtbike way more. But gotta have both
Yeah, so many people look at them with very closed minds and blinders. It’s not a replacement but an enhancement and true growth opportunity for the sport overall.
Exactly. There will always be a place for both. Also we have to be able to afford the bike.
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You can do that to your 350 jase. I had a z start pro recluse clutch . I rotated the clutch lever down a few degrees and put a mountain bike shorty lever on a custom made perch just above it which i ran a cable down to my rear brake pedal . Keeping a foot brake as well as a hand rear brake and a clutch . Was so good for so many reasons . I ended up useing foot brake and handbrake at the same time in technical stuff.jumping was the best ,i deliberately air wheelied then just pull the rear brake lever without fear of stalling in the air ,then drop the nose and gas it . Could rock back and forth in the air twice on big jumps.single trail with whoops so much easier. Takes a bit of getting used to but if you make a mistake and ride the old habit it doesnt matter. Even had a husky 430 wr auto 2 stroke with a handbrake rear kept the rear footbrake also.
Install a tinybaby horn.. honk it when behind the Gas dudes..
put huge fan on electric motor in front !! fix/ water cooled electric ?
Check out a Clake. I believe its made in Australia.
Spell check
Some of us are old enough to remember CLEARLY the transition we all made from 2-strokes to 4-strokes. At first you only rode a 4-stroke if you were a dessert guy....or "x" guy, whatever. Then, they got lighter and easier to start and boom, 99% of the bikes out there are 4-strokes now. The Stark Varg is very close to being enough to replace a modern 450. It's just not quite there. The power is there but the battery life and weight need to change. Battery: imagine a 2 moto race at Glen Helen when its >90 degrees out? Even if you could recharge the battery between motos, the battery won't live very long with that kind of wear and tear. So, we hot swap the batteries between motos. Each battery needs to give at least 1 hour of runtime at moderate loads and at least 45+ minutes at an expert-level race pace load. The batteries need to be easily hot-swapped, yet affordable. Instead of trying to plug in between motos, we need to just pop in a fresh battery. Sometimes we're dealing with a tire change, bike issue, or pressure washing the bike between motos and it's not reasonable to have it on the stand charging. Losing 8-12 pounds would make it more manageable for a
I think they are cool, I just hope the pros stay gas. The sound is a big part of the fan experience IMO especially at SuperCross.
I would say 4-strokes pretty much ruined the supercross experience, no? but as much as I'm an e-bike fanboi, that whiny sound they make is definitely cheesy. it's sooo weird, like Kris said, to hear everything around you without the combustible engine sounds. every little thing that happens a dozen times every lap sounds new. and this is just me watching/listening to youtube clips. 😄
2 strokes sounded amazing at Supercross but so do 450s.
The beginning of the end for the big 4 manufacturers.
Watching motto e is really cool too all you hear is tires and a whir sound
Just look at RC racing. Started out 40 years ago batteries barley lasted 5mins max and motors burned up in about 20 batteries. Now batteries can last 30 mins and the motors last. Plus the speed controller tuning is insane. Tuning drive frequency, drag brake, punch all these things can be tuned on electric bikes.
Yeah the tuning of the engine is crazy compared to an ICE bike
Nobody talks about availability of diagnostics at the track level.
I'd be interested in how they plan to regulate software.
They are awesome bikes but not able to be in enduro spec, as can't go all day out there with your mates because of motor and battery heat and duration before empty. Also if get damaged from impact can cause bad fires. Sounds also allow other people and wildlife hear you coming from a distance. I have crazy rc car but battery is so dangerous when going extreme.
I admit it is great for not disturbing anyone while riding but what about when it’s race day and there is no bikes hitting the limiter there no gear changing for me it kind of takes away the sole of a motorbike
For me personally look at battery hand tools. 10 years ago they sucked, I have a half inch drive dewalt impact that puts my Ingersoll rand air impact to shame. Give bikes another 10 years and see how gnarly they are
I,m very interested in how the bike wil do in a cold wet January day , I’m from the Netherlands and I want to see how the bike holds up in let me say Lommel in the winter
Bring on the electric dirt bike revolution!!!
The thing everyone should be thinking about, is how at some point the ownership of a Stark will entail some sort of subscription service. I will not be surprised, just like with Tesla, and Merc and everyone else. They are moving us towards a subscription style economy and this bike will be the catalyst for the MX community.
I would rather lease an e-bike, tbh. batteries don't hold charge over time. I forget the term. but all batteries become less and less effective. replacing the battery is as expensive as buying a new bike. so joke's on them if I have to lease. I do think it's frustrating that the only difference between the 60hp and 80hp bike is paying extra $$$ to unlock software codes. Tesla and Stark both do that already (same car already has the features but you have to pay to unlock).
Ktm and I believe others have the goods in the ecu but you gotta pay extra...total BS
@@daneg That’s actually not a bad idea, as long as the lease is shorter than 3 years. I’m guessing you’d get 2 good seasons out of the batteries before you start seeing aging on the battery.
@@CouchSlouch- 2-3 sounds right to me. but I really have no basis of comparison. maybe early teslas? I guess we can ask Alta owners?
That’s one major reason pros where ear plugs
Nahh. Fook all that shit 😢
Nothing funnier than slow people talking about how fast they are
Just say it mate your weren't willing to take the poison to be aloud to travel.... 💪💪💪 good man
Jas.. are you coming to fox hills!?
I wish I was man but I would be able to go
Would or wouldn’t…
The amount of content Would be unreal!
So may ex gp champs to interview!
Amazing bikes!
You could have a month off just to process the content after that weekend!
Need a helmet boots and a bike? 🤔
Test rides on an electric bike would help convert the thinking,and maybe a clutch.
Definitely possible, 44t did a video on electric trials bikes (which look like an absolute hoot) and some of them had clutch levers that act like it would on an ICE bike
And then have to recharge it after one moto or get stuck in the woods from lack of battery. Not sold yet. Im sure it rides amazing and I love electric but one moto aint gonna cut it
No doubt it’ll be fun…except for walking back to the truck.
And when it overheats... Instant bonfire. Maybe even a bonfire in the pits while recharging
@@butchgreene Listen I am not against the technology as there are a ton of advantages but until the batter storage improves its a no go and I think they over sold the battery life on this thing it seemed at least the real world mileage.
battery time is the big issue atm, but you know they have meters on them that tell you how much charge you have. you'd have to be kinda stupid to find yourself stranded miles away from home b/c your battery ran out of juice.
@@daneg unless you are doing enduro riding and get lost which happens or add a section and presto you screwed. Lol
How long does the stark battery last in heat?
Something my dad can ride!
I am a 65 year old motocrosser. LOL
@@michaelfrost1709 It has 20HP more then any 450 so your point makes no sense.
Would be awesome to be able to afford one aswell but I think that is why I did ride ktm300exc's for age's and currently 18 husqvarna te300. You can ride on roads when needed and hardly change gears from 3rd when bush bashing, hillclimb, rippin beaches and sanddunes and hardly ever have to use clutch and only small amounts of brakes with engine braking. Wheelies any gear, no clutch up and over 150km/h. 2bangas sound awesome and are best fun to ride. Avagud1
If a 450 is too much power where does that put these Electric 80 hp bikes? Insane!!
Where ever you want! You can program/limit the 80hp Varg to any power level and throttle response you want.
First one to watch and like lets go gypsy forever
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All about someone experiencing it….
What happened with alta why did they go bust...
Because of Harley
This bike will change everything. The combination of lack of variables, hand brakes, power delivery, neutral handling will revolutionize our sport. Imagine riding at altitude without being effected!
I hate electric but it will take the sport to a new level. My kid has a 50 but I wish I had bought electric but the limited run time was a no go. The maintenance on the 50 is a pain and no way most parents would go through the hassle... Electric on the other side is plug and ride... So many more kids will start riding....
The E65 and 85 is supposed to be coming out so you can upgrade LOL
@@kurtheidelbach unless they have a swappable battery (or a seriously increased capacity) it's pointless... My kid rides all day... 1h just gets him warmed up. But don't get me wrong, he would prefer it if it wasn't for that... The power band on the 50 is also ridiculous for a beginner. He went from super comfortable in a oset MX 10 (one off experience) to terrified on the KTM 50.
@@jjjjrrr678 I haven’t seen too many people outride the charge/rest rotation on the larger Varg’s yet. Definitely not for all types of racing but most of the ones I see complaining are back at the truck taking a break at 20-30 minutes. If you keep them topped off I think they will be fine for most. 3 hours of riding for me in a day and I’m pretty much toast LOL. Battery technology should improve drastically soon too as much as it has the past couple years. We will see.
@@kurtheidelbachwhich makes electric usable on tracks with electric infrastructure only. In my experience most tracks in the world are without electric outlets nearby
Not at all there are multiple options. There are people with solar trailers, charge from vehicle’s, generators, all sorts of options. Most on a Varg wouldn’t even last a full charge anyway. I go to extremely isolated tracks and they still have electric. An urban track would obviously have to have design considerations
You'll like riding for 20 minutes then charging downtime to ride another 20 minutes.
Only if you can charge at all
Moto yes, trail riding they're going to last a lot longer, but still not enough for events.
It has more power than a Yamaha 450.
Have the electric bike with a radio on it w speakers so people can hear where you are on the co exist.Orrr just take out everyone's front and learn to fight.
THE ONLY PURPOSE OF RACING is to sell bikes. Electric bikes will not even be considered until all the participating manufacturers have competitive electric bikes. It is the same reason the AMA will not let KTM 300cc two strokes to race against the 450 four strokes. The other manufacturers would be upset if it became successful because they do not have a 300cc two stroke. It is the same reason they will not let 250 two strokes race against 250 four strokes. Formula One has an electric series and it is not nearly as popular as the gas series.
12 minutes? 😮 pretty poor.
But an electric trials bike finished the Scottish 6 day, and to do that it would surely need to run for hours, hauling across miles and miles of boggy moors... so I guess things have come on.
12 minutes due to excessive heat. Trials does not stress the battery in this way. You're going 1-4mph on average. They did have to switch out the battery between sections because the scottish 6 days event is unique due to the sections being miles and miles apart. You can watch the documentary on the electric motion channel.
Horn
nahh
Sur-Ron bois doing urban and MTB trail riding will bring the law to force before Vargs hit anything near significant numbers. Buy now and have fun whilst you can. It's a motor bike after all.
City tracks will draw the ire of Karen's & Ken's, too much dust pollution. Stamp it. They want to save the open spaces for housing tracts and biz parks.
Oh and another quick idea that I think is really going to help that I have not implemented yet I have asked Chad GPT she gave me 20 really important things to remember when riding a 2-stroke 250cc and deep sand and it gave me as a conscious being but anyways not to get off track since I always forget the fundamentals as soon as they hit the throttle on my 250 2 stroke and forget everything I was going to do those 20 things and say them over and over again on your phone or any recording device you can play back and put headphones on and while you're riding play that and only the bullet points refined down to very small phrases and catch point so you can remember like balls of your feet stenotype of notes day you would put sticky notes everywhere to remind yourself but we're putting sticky notes all together in a digital form to remind us in real time as I'm writing especially in difficult Dynamic terrain and I might just remind me of the thing in that moment that I need to do which would be even cooler and I think that could be a good idea for a channel.....lol...... anyways
Wait till the car ride home after you rode for 40 minutes
Honks 🎉 me ❤ e bikes ❤❤❤
Get some serious range and we'll talk
Facts. When the battery can last 2+ hours, lmk
That or the batteries can be swapped like u could have multiple batteries charged or u can charge it in like 15 minutes and it lasts an hour or so. But ya I can’t see enduro guys jumping on this when u have to go off-road and far. Motocross it’s more than useable now.
@@jpesicka999 the batteries are $8000s for the varg tho. I put 2 hours on at the track last weekend so it's not usable for me. The varg does 30mins all out
@@sbedwell23 It will get there, lots of new battery chemistries and super conductors on the horizon.
right now the Varg is ~30 minutes of serious riding (MX track). it needs to be 60 minutes, imo. and then there's recharging. until there's enough infrastructure to recharge (this is an EV issue too), you need to have replaceable batteries (trail ebikes like the KTMs do have swappable batteries for this purpose). The upside is that trail riding is much less intensive than the MX track, and trail riders are reporting generally better battery time... but at the end of the day, it's going to be tough to try to cover a 2-6 hours off road adventure on any e-bikes...ever, tbh. but for closed course competitions like GNCC, MX, etc? yeah. we're close. not quite there but very close.
At some point, we'll need to use proper terminology regarding the two words "engine" and "motor".
We will need to stop this habit of calling everything a "motor".
If it runs on fuel, it's an ENGINE. If it uses electricity, it's a MOTOR.
Not really. A Engine has moving parts that covert power into motion. A Motor can be electric or internal combustion that supplies power for a vehicle.
@@kurtheidelbach I thought I'd provide evidence here to support my statement, but when I started digging into it, I discovered that you are entirely right!
So it's acceptable to interchange the two words, but I'm more an engineer, and it's damned bothersome at times when talking about electric vs. combustion motive devices and I have to stop and ask what they are talking about!! It's maddening sometimes. It's like someone giving you directions and saying, "When you get to 10th St, turn. Then go two blocks and turn. Then turn at the next light and you're there."
Wtf does that even mean?
That's how it is at times when people interchange the words without CLEARLY going further to state the nature of the "motor" which they're referring to.
Admittedly, this probably isn't a problem for 99% of people.
Thanks for correcting me on this issue, Kurt.
Nope, like my 2 stroke. There's an agenda behind battery bikes that I'll not subscribe to. ICE for the rest of my time...
Yeah? And what’s that agenda LOL
The agenda is to save Earth and humanity from the worst consequences of climate change. If selfishness makes that incomprehensible pretend the agenda is awesome bikes that make more power, cost less to maintain and require less of your time to maintain.
@@kurtheidelbach If you don't know what that is you're truly a dense individual.
I’m a E bike hater. F those things!