MSI Ends Early | Legends in Action ep 2
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The second and last episode of our MSI Legends in Action is here. While it was cut short, and results didn't go our way, the team showed a lot of promise, but also a lot that needs to be worked on.
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I respect the whole Content team for uploading the almost full talk after the TL game, but my full respect is for Razork, that he was playing with fever, he tried his best and then after told everything to his team and what he felt. This guy is probably the best leader this team ever had and I hope they can fix this team for summer!
Just Razork trying to keep the team together :) A real captain
He is clearly flaming his teammate. Thats not how to keep team together.
@@michalsara7645 Have you ever played in a team? It's better to take it all in than to say that it will be better next time. And for them it is notorious, playing in a checkered pattern.
@@michalsara7645 you clearly never played in a team on any important level.
@@michalsara7645this is esport team not a solo or flex game
If you not watching clearly this is on you that’s your problem.
@@Fabian-ft2db GM on west, played league semi-pro in 2nd polish league. Now tell me your experience with league u bronze kid.
Razork is our captain, it´s insane how he plays and talks like a fucking coach, we need this attitude, from all, hungry to win.
G2 wake the west up, we can win vs Asian teams if we improve like G2 did, we need to be better. Let´s go get better
Improvements are happenings. Like TL trusted in their academy and it’s working wonders. Hopefully FNC can unlock that one barrier from stopping them
Razork isn't doing anything crazy here, he is just the only one that makes sense.
This kind of winning mentality and caring about the game should be the bare minimum for pro players.
@@truth.- thats true
@@truth.- agree
I agree with everyone except G2. They're losers
Razork mentality>>
How can the coach say 'we played well' after getting 0 - 3'd? it's kinda fucked up tbh
@@cowboyent1309 I think he was already aware of the mentality struggles the team faces and was trying to lift them up
@@cowboyent1309 If someone is already lying on the floor and you punch him more and more and more,, all while flaming him, dont expect him to stand up
Some do, some dont but mot everybody is the same
@@SalvadorMartinez.d i still think its better to say: guys we fcked up. Lets learn from this to improve.
That way you show you still believe in them & wants to motivate the players. But it gives room to be dissappointed. Not everything needs to be great. Its okay to sometimes say: yo guys, we sucked.
@@Vincentpalmer22 bro it's a competitive scene, clearly you never competed in any team sport, because with just nice words you won't ever win
Big up to FNC as a team, showing these important team talks, razork on his mamba mentality and i love it
One of the saddest video... But I really like the mentality of Razork, and I think for once players tell to others what they really think about them, and this level of communication is I think really important for a team to grow, like REALLY grow.
On Noah side, it may be really difficult but if he gets some constant help, he can defeat his demons, and improving his mentality and mind spirit is always a good thing do to in life, not only in esport.
I really hope this MSI fall will help the team growing and be better and MOSTLY more consistent, if we get that we good.
I still trust on this roster and staff to upgrade our standards, going for domestic trophies and compete against the best of the world at worlds.
More sad than nisqy crying?
@@marlitox2009 he said one of the saddest
@@marlitox2009 It's really different becausei n this case it was one of the most unlucky event in a team, you can feel for the players...
Here, everybody is here, everybody is struggling, and I love this team more than the 2021 which I also loved
Jun is their most consistent performing player, but if what's revealed here is true, he still has a lot to learn as a teammate. I'm glad they're hiring a performance coach and that Razork is leading the way. Jun is also very hard on himself so it's normal for him to be critical of his teammates, but internalizing it and tilting needs to be corrected, and I'm glad Razork is showing that talking about the issue is the way to go.
Please don't stop adding captions to these videos.-. Other than that great work!
Honestly i get where razork is coming from i'm all about staying postive what i think the coaching staff is trying to do but there should be a healty balance between staying positive and reality. And i think some though love in thede situation's isn't bad at all. I mean it's fnatic right they need to get these guys into the mindset that they are the best and that they are so confident in their game that they will leave it all out on that stage no regrets no holding back. Be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.
i totally agree but he shouldnt have said it at the time he did, i would say take it after the tournament cuz this messes with their heads even more than it already is, the stress they are feeling is high they shouldnt take this conversation at that point and rather postpone it after the tournament
@@flyingmeatball1833 They are not kids, they are already grown guys, go watch a coach talk in football, other sports.
We can't treat players like porcelain dolls.
This is a sport, and you play a sport to win, not to just win money.
@@diemh1998 ur comparing fucking esports to real sports are u damaged? U cannot compare weak ass kids playong league of legends to real sports. Other sports are not soft like esports dont compare them its actually disrespectful af. And no, thry still should not talk while the games arent over especially fnstic with their trash mentality
@@diemh1998 ye agreed. I'm afraid Nightshare wants to be best buddies with the players & don't want to hurt their feelings.
But a real coach would balance it out better in such situations
@@PastaDiMama44 look at Asian teams, coaches can even higher their voices and still players respect them and they are friends.Western coaches are just joke at this point except for G2
It is pretty clear to me that the managment does not have the players under control. Just look at Dardo raging at the end that he cant even get his players to have a normal sleep schedule at an important tournament. Hes even glazing for g2 cause Romain actually does his job well.
If Sam keeps being blind and not change shit in the managment we will NEVER win. The manager needs to be the chef and make sure everyone can play at their best and dardo is just a passenger clearly.
G2 probably has the best staff in any team in the world tbh, they’re on top of everything
Yes especially if you compared this video to the G2 video about this tournament. Massive difference in management and team communication.
This is not dardos job. He is very misplaced to say that
Razork is a beast at the rift and irl.
really good insights, nice to see Razork spitting facts
Let's forget about Msi and bounce back in Summer and the Summer finals boys. I believe in you guys that you can become one of the best. All love to the boys and the coaches. FNATIC FIGHTING
bro you can't just forget what happened not only this msi, but the entire year and before, you need to remember so you can learn from your mistakes
Lets forget about the last 7 years with 0 achievements. WE will forsure bounce back for summer right??!
@@dada-ts1zb Factos 👍
Honestly, if things don't get fixed during summer season, I kinda hope that Razork will leave and find a better team. He clearly doesn't deserve this and he has evolved in such a manner that it feels like a wasted potential.
Remember last year in winter and spring, when people were saying that razork was the problem because he was "inting" ,when in reality he was trying to get his bot ahead and they did nothing. Hope this now shows how he was nowhere near yhe problem then
Respect for sharing these teamtalks with the fans.
Razork will be a really good coach
This is amazing content, thank you FNATIC for the transparency, for bringing out the good and the bad, for sharing the beauty and the ugly, onwards and upwards.
I love Razork and I love this team with all of my heart, I really hope this experience signifies a glow up in the team performance. I really want to see these 5 players winning LEC and being competitive in international.
Razork my captain forever 🦭
I could completely understand Razork pointing out that Noah was a really weak point the whole MSI. If you look at all the games apart from 1-2 games, he was always losing lane and always behind on gold. If he would have played really good,then we might have won against TES and also won couple of games against GEN G. And getting so much gaped by Yeon is sorry to say but completely unacceptable. You could have one bad day but not everyday.
I really hope they get mental reset and come back again with positive mindset and working on things and improve. I am pretty sure we can win LEC finals
Let's go Fnatic
He just needed to go even most of the time but he was just losing lane. Felt really bad for jun because he was playing just as good or better than the enemy support. But Noah really underperformed. Hope he gets over the demons haunting him as he said, that are coming from his previous team's teaching. Hope he gets some nice therapy or support because he's completely mental boomed.
Let's see what happens in Summer now :)
There is only 2 outcomes. 1 everyone get tilted from this MSI and we fail summer unable to qualify for worlds or 2 we actually get to work, keep good mentality and we meet G2 in the finals ither wining the split or being a close 3:2 series, because when we play good we are very capable of wining against any teem and when we play bad we are going to lose even from my flex team.
Same as always:
Good regular season --> loose to G2 --> choke internationally after a promising start
Hello Mr. Fnatic. I would like to make a small note, in case you don't remember, there are 2 Spanish players on their roster, therefore they have many Spanish-speaking fans, it would be a good detail if they took a little of their money (they surely have enough), and invested it in the translation of subtitles in Spanish. Thank you so much.
im not ready 😭
Yes you are
@@Behekimora 0cn
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Just finished TL's squad and I was happy, now I get to watch the other perspective and be sad.
nice to not exclude the tense moments. nicer to see reality than some fairy tale all positive video
Thats crazy when dardo say that we woke up at 12 in the morning and g2 had a scrim BO5 at 10 pm and they are all together at 9:30 am to take breakfast. THATS IMBARASSING GUYS, U wanna do that? U wanna take > 100/200/300K per year to play this fucking game? Yes, so FOCUS and MOTIVATION, u wanna take a title? guys is not like football or something like that, u have a pick point. In this game there is only ONE player who can play for 10 years. U ARE OVER IN MAXIMUM 3/5 YEARS. SO MOTIVATION, DEDICATION AND SUPER FOCUS.
Everyone's good, we have no doubt about it. Hope the team gets into their problems and take this as an oportunity to become better. Consider that even having those problems, they managed to get that far.
Where are the captions? Please don't stop adding them!
I was a fnatic fan. I watched every single match since 2016 summer. I cheered every match or at least watched the vod. This video broke me. The management has to be ashamed to let this video surface. The incompetence the couching staff shown not being able to handle basic human emotions, blaming the players who needs help at that moment, the decision which has lead to this miserable video to release where we can see the players are tools at best and the inside conflicts is just too much. This team is destined to break because of this management. Good luck in the future, will not watch it.
Aged like fine wine so far
honestly really nice to see the team take accountability. hopefully that transitions to better performance next split. good luck guys :)
WHERE SUBTITLES :(
NAH I CANT WATCH THIS, THIS IS HURTING
you can do it :(
The coach and captain dynamics is COMPLETELY backwards. The coaching staff should be the one putting the players on blast. The captain should be the one making sure the team understands this feedback and push the boys to be one team. I have no problem with Razork speaking his mind, but he shouldn't be the one criticizing each player and putting them on blast. You can tell the boys have trust issues mentally towards each other. The coaching staff needs to be the one coming down on the boys and the boys need to help each other. This goes for any sports team. it's clear that the coaching staff hasn't and can't facilitate a team environment for these boys. Shameful.
I think Nightshare is very good and always speaks stuff that makes sense. He's just very...czech. Razork is way more outspoken and the coach lets him go at it, because everyone knows that Razork doesn't come from a bad place, he genuinely wants them all to improve.
For every loses, no matter how harsh it is, i hope we can keep learning from it. Now, you know the problems, so I hope we fixed them during the break and come in stronger for summer. Will always keep supporting the boys ❤
The communication is the key for a good company that cares to provide also a healthy mental for a productive environment. Here with a bully like razork who never blame himself or be positive nor even try to listen to the coach without replying 24/7. He tilts everyone without saying anything productive or any helpful suggestions for the game, the team. Just pure toxicity towards Noah. He only cares about himself that in a team environment it’s a huge issue. Dardo even worse for his position as a team manager.. blame the players for something that he should care before the game starts and just show that he can’t do his job properly at all. Are you worried that they go to sleep late? It’s your job to literally manage the team. This is how it works in a serious company. Swearing that much after a loss is crazy considering that you as an “adult figure” know that you made your mistakes too. You lose and win for a lot of factors isn’t just a one person’s fault or merit. The coach is the only one who actually sounds like a coach and take the work seriously and professionally. In such a childish environment it’s hard to say what the future reserve.. It’s not even about the player’s mechanics but the management and communication skills sucks I’m sorry.
Totally agree, just one thing is that Razork is not in bad faith, he has a difficult personality that needs to be properly managed to be good, that doesn't exist in FNC because they dont have a competent manager. If he was managed properly he would have been told very early on that the meeting after a game is not to discuss the specific of the performance but just a debrief to bring closure to the event, analysis and feedback is for the day after, but he was never told so how can he know? He wants to fix the problems and being upset and tilted from the game he just lashes out aggressively.
Everyone ignoring humanoids underperformance and gapping by apa 😂
Who asked?
Because no one cares about APA.
They lost, so they have to fix something. It doesn’t matter if they lost to this obnoxiously loud ah, what matters is they learn and fix their shit.
No matter if you lose to yungclout9413 in bronze or faker at worlds, you lose, you have to adapt
Keep razork dude, we need more players like him, not only he the best one of the roster, he a godamn leader and winner
damn I feel sorry for Noah, I don't think the staff has a good approach to his struggles at all. how can you tell him something like "if you don't fix this, we will never win" and stuff like that. like he doesn't know that? it's giving him even more pressure.
obviously he's playing bad, and we can see he's aware of that. in that moment, it is the manager's and coach's job to say: "we can see you're struggling with stage games, by next week we will come up with a detailed plan how to best support you. we will get a good sports psychologist, and do this and this and this to help you and the team succeed." but that should have been done even before MSI.
JunZork is real
Subtitles pls 😢
I really feel that the coaching staff isn't really bringing the best out of the team
OMG! The first thing the coach talks about is the way to lose vs TL...!!!!????? Coaches SHOULD pass through some psychology courses before teaching players! This game is 60% psychology. What is FNC doing??
I will always appreciate the current roster, but I think FNC needs a full rebuild around Razork and maybe also Jun if they really want to compete with G2 and the east. The other players either lack the mentality, or the skill, or both.
they only need a manager, the roster is good, Noah is out of it because he's in an extremely passive aggressive envirorment, razork personality needs to be kept in check (also manager's job), it's in good faith what he does but it's just counterproductive in the way he does it, feedback is only productive if done at the right time, chewing out Noah right after the loss is just abuse and doesn't do good to anyone, just as it doesn't do any good contradicting your coach without even considering what the coach is saying, ofc nightshade was not happy with losing with GenG, he pointed out the good thing they did to improve morale so that the practice after that is good, razork getting in the way made everyone tilt and because of it, just as nightshade predicted, they lost to TL.
wtf coaches talking about they noticed from the first moment the day was going to be shit isn't it your literal job as coaches to fix that instead of passive aggressive flaming everyone after the game?XD imagine coaches gave players any little bit of encouragement when they are clearly struggling emotionally instead of saying "this can never happen again" XD
Marenko I refuse to believe you don’t acknowledge the fact that ahri doesn’t need to hit e on adc to oneshot them rn, r w is enough to make 60% of their hp late game
time for dardo to go! you gotta go bro!
7 Years in a row ending early
Most real esport video you will ever see
I just feel some players don't want it enough...
It's like you are playing on the highest stages of your whole career and an elimination game i expect to you to come the day like warriors fully ready mentally and physically.
you just really cant go out in this fashion..
FNC can be as good as G2, it’s only a mentality and stress problem
Peter you smash Noah in some clips with Razork talking :((
Make me feel bad ...
maaaaan... gaax and razork, and the man with glases (not nightshare) have a great mentality and way to see things, i love how the team talks to his issues, teams like these will get far, i know that, if noah and jun don't improve his mental side, im sorry but the staff can´t not do much, and huma... for me is a real shame that the most veteran player in not being the most vocal voice, in games things and mental things, razork is carryng FNC in both ways
the man with glasses is Dardo, the manager, the whole problem of FNC. And no, their mentality isn't great, it's shit, razork means well but he's saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, gaax seems useless from this video and dardo shows himself as the incompetent manager he is.
Watching this video made me even sadder than when we lost. I can partly understand what Razord said but I think it was too much. He mentioned that when Noah or Jun go down, the rest of the team goes down, but he forgot to say that he himself isn't so innocent either. In a previous video he was reprimanded because he was already saying at the start of the game that they were going to lose because of the gold diference. In other situations he initiates TF that only harms the team but even then there's someone to back him up and he dies too. Throughout the video he barely mentions Humanoid's mistakes either. I honestly don't think anyone was good enough, the team, the coaches and especially the Fnatic owner. Instead of preying on Noah and showing this video to divide opinions, I think it would be good for these players to have a good follow-up. I hope they can bounce back in summer. I love this team. Lets go FNATIC!
I think Razork explained it well. Everybody makes mistakes, and everybody has bad days. But the team can't collapse all at once. The problem he was pointing out was that when things go wrong, they just shut down, Jun gets tilted, Noah gets more nervous because his supp stops talking to him, Oscar becomes so quiet he doesn't even calls his tps, and Huma just goes with the flow instead of trying to lift them up. Razork also makes mistakes, but I get what he was trying to say, you need to keep talking and trying to win even when things are going badly.
I also really like this team and am rooting for them. I don't want to give up on Noah yet, I truly believe he has the talent. But of course, the team can't wait forever.
what marek said after the tl series is not wrong right, they knew they had to win, and that pressured them so much that they just did not perform at all. they lost one game and absolutely fucked themselves with everything
like please get your shit together for the fucking lec and perform in summer and hopefully in the season finals
Massive respect for Razork. You don't deserve him. Absolute winner mentality and captain of this team. He should be setting the standard and anyone uncapable of meeting this standards just simply need to go. Unacceptable performance against TL. If we are getting beaten by NA then what hopes do we have to catch and beat G2 ?
noah in you we truth. we fight together this. fnc love. fnc life.
Always Fnatic!
but is razor k just the goat or what?
Legends in action before voice comms though ? how so
Cuz there are no comms,as they pointed out :0?
Can someone explain what dardo was ranting towards the end? Whats the issue with sleeping stuff? I cant understand his words
People slept late, woke up late, and weren’t prepared for the game. Meanwhile G2 played a bo5 until 10pm and still managed to have a team breakfast at 9.30 am. He’s saying having to baby players over their sleeping schedule when you’re at MSI is unacceptable.
@@na7515 i guess my confusion came from him mistakenly saying morning instead of afternoon "waking up 12 in the morning and are like zombies", cos y would they wake up 12 am and play lol,
Send Noah to gym for 2 days in week minimum , it will refresh him and he will feel much better and start focus again... please ... i dont think he is fat , but he need some free time to turn off his mind for a moment
ALWAYS FNATIC …. ALWAYS
I want to watch it but it still makes me sad, we could have won vs TES or took games off of Geng, but lets see at worlds !
Time for new coaching staff… have to say it
We got the wifi password ;)
12:40
Lol and people want razork to be kicked. Guys the only one that actually talks and makes an effort to point out mistakes and have hard convos. If he leaves you can forget winning any time soon.
he might be inting sometimes but if they are gonna kick him, the team will become 8th place team immediately
Fanatic pls subtitles in spanish
🖤🧡
kick dardo and everything is fine
Razork mi casita 🧡
FNC dat team out all
We aren't making these mistakes bc its geng, we are making these mistakes all the time but geng punishes harder. My goat
How inconsistent can a team be man? I'm so pissed ffs.
Nightshare: we should be happy we got 3-0d
That right there is why fnatic will never win anything
showmethemoney!
Feel like that GenG series was so winnable, if Noah can get his confidence in check this team can win!
it wasn't. we got 3-0'd
@@sebastianetchart3546 lol if you watched the games, it was close till we made tiny mistakes
is "winnable" the new cope for losing xd
Razork CAPITÁN
Razork ultra goat
The editing of this video is just great thanks for the Content
Please save Razork from Nightsare
Carzzy and we win worlds
get razork a team
I think its time to change the coaching staff lol. The f you mean you're happy?????? You happy that you got 3-0? Razork gave the proper feedback to the team. Toxic positivity ain't gonna help the team in the long run in competitive scene. A bit of REALITY CHECK is not that bad lol...I hope the loss from NA is the reality check you needed
I mean they played geng and played very solid.. They got 3-0 but all the games seemed winnable but in fact they are just much better and still we could stand up against them and tried our best.. But against TL it was just a tragedy and thats what nighshare was thinking. He maybe used stronger words then he should but it seems so obvious to me what he was thinking.
im sorry but Nightshare is too soft, too nice, as a coach, we need someone diferent , he is a great coach but is not the one we need to win mayor... we need to stop with then BBQ , hot pots, ice creaam, going to see the city etc, etc when we are in a international competition are we in vacation? or are coming to play against the best teams in the world? every single team is scrimming their ass off. Noha need to fight his demons first...Razork cant do this alone.... jun is god... we need discipline please
This is my analysis from what I've been seeing from Fnatic roster:
Oscarinin - Poor macro and TP management. Technically very good capable of competing with best toplaners, sometimes coinflipping. If he gets behind, dies mentally. Poor comms when behind.
Razork - Living force of the team. Lacks a little consistency but tries everytime and is very good at comms. Best player in the team but needs a consistent mid and top.
Humanoid - Technically very strong but way too relaxed, too disrespectful. Idk about his behaviour backstage but it seems that he belittles the schedule, the routines, his work as his MAIN JOB. Very inconsistent player, either 1v9's or is irrelevant, with lately being more irrelevant because he tries 1v1's, forces, dies to jungle consistently, get mid behind, jungle and team.
Noah - Good mechanics but no the best AD player, also looks good when the game goes well but really bad (at regional level) when it goes bad, and it goes bad a lot cause he cant control his emotions ever. Probably shouldn't be on Fnatic next split, too volatile.
Jun - Very good player overall.
Coach - Complete troll drafting all splits and MSI, needs to go.
Conclusion: Very skilled players but lots of emotional and macro problems. You can't win with this much inconsistency, needs a roster change. I would say top, mid(if he doesnt grow up mentally and dedicates himself) and adc.
Losing to minor regions is not acceptable
LCS isnt minor region bro :D
@@PatrikHohl yes it is
@@Stepwarrkung hmm no? :D u have major LCK LPL LEC and LCS with 4 or 3 slots on worlds and minor regions with 2 or 1 slots on worlds
That’s because outside of G2, the rest of the our teams are on par with minor regions. With the way FNC lost to TL, I’d wonder if they would have been able to beat PSG. We’re lucky G2 is carrying our region so hard.
@@Whyisthatlamptalking Absolutely true. Only G2 should be a major region from the west. Teams like FNC BDS TH MAD VIT don't have the quality to play a single game against LCK LPL
Banter Org
everyone on the team showed real potential this tournament EXCEPT noah. and his attitude on twitter is a clear sign of his terrible mindset
losing to this TL was easily one of the worst losses I had to endure in my 13 years of being a fnc fan.
I own a lot t shirts and sweatshirts from you but this broke my heart.
never forgive.
Coaching staff needs to go
Watch fnatic kick Razørk out anytime now. Hardstuck with losers. I feel for him :(
Watch fnatic kick out Razørk. Hardstuck with losers. I feel for him :(
Sorry but the coach is mega kiss ass for Noah in min 7-14. Razork is completely right and he is just tryingf to do damage control so Noah doesnt int more the last games.
KEEPING NS AS HEAD COACH WILL FKING DESTROY THIS TEAM
You are getting crumbs from asia rather then real eu talent.
Good video except dardo talking just shut up and dont talk at all like for the past year it was nice not seeing you in videos.
Get these garbage tilted coaches out of there
Razork needs to leave the team and join another team that wants to win. FNC is so bad at supporting players mental. It's always FNC that gets the mental booms lol
trolll fnatic talks wow... when end play that game and get out.