Are Juan Soto Cards Worth Buying?
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Juan Soto is having a true career year for the New York Yankees at 25 years young. This type of player seems to come around once a generation. There are a few other collectors who are still not quite sold on Juan Soto and are worried that he may be too one dimensional to maintain value. Our friend, Eephus Pitch, raised this question on Instagram, and we wanted to do our best to debate if Juan Soto Cards are worth buying!
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Well said. Totally agree. 👍
Except, Scottie can be a know-it-all dick sometimes, though.
Really appreciate the support! Thanks for watching and happy collecting!
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Frank Thomas is one of the most underrated hitters ever. Guy was a beast and never gets talked about in comparison to Griffey, etc.
Jeff here: Totally agree. I had posters of him on my wall as a kid. What an intimidating presence in the box!
As a 1990’s kid, growing up Thomas, Griffey, Maddux, Ripken (around 2131 record) were always in the Beckett Hot List and almost equal value
I compare Soto to Frank Robinson who was a negative defender but one of the greatest hitters of all time. I also PC both of them. Robinson won his first MVP at 25 and Soto is putting up MVP numbers this year but this year is crazy with Judge, Henderson, Witt putting up monster numbers. Robinson only had one 40+ home run season but had such a long consistent career and that is the downside of Soto.
No one collects Robinson which is stupid because he was so good.
Great video. There are many Soto stats (at this point in his career) that place him on lists with all time greats in the sport. His advanced stats are incredible and certainly worthy of the generational title. I think the next 10 years will really determine his following after his career is over. I’m excited to join the ride
Jeff here: Thanks for watching! and I'm right there with you on the ride.
theres a big distinction between to be made between Betts and Soto imo. Betts will be looked at as an all time great baseball player and Soto will be looked at as a all time great hitter. Like Willy Mays was an all time great baseball player and you could say Ted Williams was an all time great hitter. In regards to collectability I think theres a lot more variables that go into that. Great show!
Chris here - I love the Williams/Mays comps! Interesting!
Loved Soto From his rookie year. And it's been solely on his plate presence. Enough flash to fit in, but looked like he been playing 5 years in the league already with his patience.
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Jeff here: Very well-said. And his game should age well!
Soto is the now guy. Loved him when he came on with that shuffle 😮😮😮 I collect him no matter where he goes just bcuz of his swagger 🎉🎉🎉😮😮😮😂😂😂
Chris here - that swagger plays!!
Jeff here: Personality and individuality: It's a big factor in collectibility!
He’s been on 3 teams already. Dudes worthless. Only his high end rookies will be somewhat valuable. The hobby is t his thing
@@LambeauLeeeper Chris here - if he stays with the Yankees, he remains very collectible.
If he signs in SF, forget it. IMO
This podcast always presents intelligent discord and true hobby fans. Brilliant!
If Soto signs a 10+ year deal in NY, and has that short porch 1/2 his games? Fenway short right-field too? He’ll hit 150-200 in NY alone by the time he’s 36.
RIght down the line at Fenway is short, but RCF in fenway is really tough. Not a fun park for left handed pull hitters. Yankee stadium however....
I've noticed the lower cost of Juan Soto cards compared to others. Even a guy like Vladamir G deserves more. Lots of guys out there. MLB collectors definitely have a bias, but guys like Elly have a huge draw.
What’s so great about Soto is that his skills, while he’s not the fastest or best defender, will last awhile. Injuries won’t affect him as much, and I could see him simply mashing until he’s 36+. Be basically David Ortiz into his 30s.
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Jeff here: exactly!
Juan Soto is a much better player than the comparisons -- his plate discipline should get him into the HoF twenty years from now. He's 25 -- his career numbers now project very well into the future. He might be a Generational Player -- he could fall off, but the improvement in his production should make him collectible for the years to come. Yes, 2018 was massively overprinted -- collectors should be selective but they should have a least 3-5 of his PSA 10 RCs. Great subject! 🤓⚾️
Jeff here: totally agree! Thanks for watching.
2018 wasn't massive overprinted compared to today. 2020 going forward the print runs have gone up drastically it seems but we don't have true numbers, just estimates
PSA designed 2018 and beyond as Ultra Modern -- privately meaning the start of the Over Production Era. Yes, every year after it was overprinted -- 2024 Print Runs are crazy. Elly DeLa Cruz could be a Generational talent, but Topps has over 60 sets that will have his RCs, Inserts, Parallels, Memorabilia and Autographs. Print runs have increased every year...slabbing has increased every year...we are absolutely in the Junk Slab Era.
@@gameinformationpokertheory Since I no longer grade anymore, I'm not contributing to the slab problem. The stuff I'm after is 90s and early 00s, specially Kobe. I won't support PSA knowing what I now know. Raw cards are fine and often times cheaper
@@chrisc4264- There’s a lot of amazing Kobe Bryant cards to collect. The late 1990s and 2000s offers plenty of beautiful choices in Cardboard and Chromium. The 2008/09 Topps Chrome Kobe with LeBron was always my favorite. I unfortunately sold most of my PSA 10 of the numbered parallels of that card before it became a big deal. Yes, the Hobby today is too focused on monetary value - the art and photography are lost on the masses. The early years of Panini Prizm, Select and Donruss Optic aren’t terrible for Kobe Bryant cards. Silver Prizms caused the early explosion at the end of the 2016/17 Season for Ben Simmons…2018/19 Luka chasing…2019/20 Zion chasing…the Pandemic…Case Hits…the evolution in the Hobby continues. 🤓🏀
5:01 the comment that nailed it by @philmington - What we are seeing is the BEGINNING of his greatness. 2500+ 500+ 2000+ those are my "low" career predictions for Soto. Hits, HR, Walks - only one person has put up those numbers - Barry Bonds. World Series champion with already 7 post season HR's and for me the Post season MATTERS. He is well loved by his peers, fans, and the media and that MATTERS too. Do yourself a favor and go search Bonds who is not in the HOF sold comps, it will blow your mind. P.S Dominicans play into their 40's ;-)
Hey man - Chris here - He's only 25! He should just be approaching his prime. Sky is the potential limit here. (and I should've hit that BIN on the last shuffle auto)
@@SpitballinCards Agree and agree 😂🤣 was hoping that last sale would have drawn more out..nope!
Jeff here: thanks for commenting, we know you're aboard the Soto train!
Love Soto. He is so young and is just accumulating stats at a great rate. I think his cards will get a big bump if he resigns with the Yankees
Jeff here: Totally agree. Thanks for watching!
A conversation after my own heart…I like Juan for 95-100 WAR by the time he calls it quits. Thx guys!
@@Showcardsusa Jeff here: would not be shocked to see him join the elite Century Club when he hangs them up. Thanks for watching!
Soto is fine in the outfield ,.. he doesn't have to be Mike Cameron....the whole over "micro management panic" makes me laugh about him in the outfield.... he and Judge ~ if they play together after this season will be crazy to watch... The player to buy now while he is injured and scoffed at is Acuna.... just like it was time to load up on Ohtani and Judge when they were oft injured.... but that requires faith in conviction that some don't possess....I guess.
Chris here - Ive been debating if now or this fall is the time to buy Julio!
@@SpitballinCards absolutely ~ the title of this vid ought to be...Is it time to buy Acuna and/ Rodriguez, Royce Lewis maybe and all the cheaper options for turnarounds...is DeGrom returning at all? Can he possibly be a buy? (you guys know the cast of characters). Soto and Judge and Witt and Henderson ~ probably aren't the best options for your buck at this minute.
@@popsmoke99 Jeff here: Sounds like a great video idea! Thanks for watching.
Great video. The introduction keeps characterizing Soto as a 1-tool player, but isn’t he actually a 2-tool player? Two of the five tools are for hitting, and Soto hits for both average plus power. It’s not like he’s Joey Gallo who can hit 30 HR’s and bat .180. Soto can hit .320 with 35 HR’s….
Yep, good call!!
@@SpitballinCardsI corrected my comment. I meant Gallo, not Votto.
Enjoyed the discussion! The Witt comparison is interesting. Witt may never have the WAR of Soto, but even if the 2020 season was a full season it’s looking like 7 years for Soto to get to 1000 hits. It’s looking like 5 and a half for Witt. They’re very different players. Almost complete opposite players.
Very interesting. Walks/plate discipline helps pad the WAR, but it does slow down the accumulation of hits!! Two different paths toward the HOF and baseball immortality.
As a fan and Soto being my favorite active player, I agree with mostly everything you all said here. He is young and started early, had early postseason success and big moments, and has not only the advanced statistics on his side with WRC+ and OPS+ as well as WAR, but his counting stats for his age are great. Will most likely eclipse 200 career home runs and almost 1K hits before 26. Resigning long term with my Yankees will help tremendously. With that said, I will say if Griffey’s key moment is beating the Yankees once to close them out, I don’t really consider that huge. No titles, a lackluster postseason career (yes, it’s a team game but he had some stacked M’s teams in the 90’s). The Kid is collected because he was the face of baseball, and had swag and the image to back it up.
Chris here - I used to sit and wonder what the 2000-2001 Mariners teams would have been like if Griffey hadn't wanted to go home to Cincinnati so bad. He had a huge series vs Yankees in 1995 - and a couple great moments. Too bad there weren;t more.
Soto should see the value to himself if he stays in the Bronx. Sure the Mets are also New York, but we all know its not the same.
nats fan here so it hurts to see him in other unis, but he also has a very attractive signature.
Chris here - yeah that must hurt, but Title Flags fly forever!
@@SpitballinCards I think what makes the Saddest is 2 things, 1. seeing 3 of my favorite Nats on the Phillies 2. because of Covid it didn't feel like we got a real "victory lap". I didnt get to go to games as a defending champ.
At least he helped bring a ring to the Nationals. Probably won't happen in NY. Go O's!
Just got to meet Scott and Jeff at the Burbank card show. Two awesome dudes.
Jeff here: It was me and Chris. Scott was locked in the closet this weekend! 🤣 Thanks so much for stopping us, hope you had a great show!
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin so sorry. I’m so bad with names. Scott is who I troll ( in a loving way). Yes it was spectacular meeting Chris and Jeff! Jeff brewers Chris atl :)
Frank Thomas played for the White Sox. Playoffs matter and playing for the Yankees will have him in the playoffs.
Chris here - YEP. And the Mets just can't say the same thing. Not yet anyway.
Jeff here: Agree! Thanks for watching!
I’m really beginning to realize the huge significance the players team plays such a role in their collectibility. Especially if they’re there long term. For the collectors who collect guys they enjoy watching, it can mean focusing on that player or not
Jeff here: HUGE role. We'll see what happens with the Yanks and Soto...
Sotos stats dwarf Bonds at same age. Juan gonzalez bat was absolutely special. Sots has skills l8ke Miggy and Pujols.
THe potential is there for a HUGE career!!
Sometimes a player not having a Tier 1 award doesn’t impact their collectability. Look at Nolan Ryan. Usually people are just shocked when you tell them Nolan has zero Cy Young awards.
Agreed, Jeter never won an MVP and still gets a lot of love, no bias or anything! Although one could argue he should have won in 2006 🤷🏼♂️
Chris here - Imagine if Ryan spent his career on good teams! His W-L record would be drastically different
Great point!
Soto is the 3rd to 5th best player in baseball, depending how you rank guys after Judge and Ohtani. He has a great career trajectory. He is very much worth buying, but it depends on price - some of his stuff is already really high.
If he continues to hit in front judge for next 10 years he will get a ton of pitches to hit. Also playing with judge will hurt his chances to win MVP... so good news bas news saying with the Yankees 😂
I think it's only good news. Chris here - How many more seasons like this does a 30 something judge have left? Soto needs help to win and staying in NYC is great for his brand, and his endorsement opportunities.
Soto will break so many records at this point. Players careers’ often start at 25 or later. He’s 40 war at 25. I started collecting him after he destroyed the Astros in the WS and haven’t looked back
@@dr.gaberosenthal5319 Chris here - smart!
I honestly believe HoF selection will probably shift to a top 10 year average. Soto will be fine.
He's on track either way!
Soto stats are great, but I gotta pass on him collection wise. 3 teams, and the there still isn't any guarantee will sign with New York. As a collector myself I like seeing players carve out legacy with an organization, because they kind of become synonymous with each other.
Not to mention he isn't the best player in his rookie class. Soto would get more hobby love if he was drafted 5 years earlier or 5 years later than 2018
His next team is who he will be defined with. He knows that. He takes more money and goes to SF and Queens, his collectability takes a hit!
Well for some reason I always pull some nice Soto!!! & e.d.cruz so I just added both to pc!!! I pc way too many 😂 just an old school collector!!! That got back into sports cards 2022!!
Just being with the Yankees will ensure he's collectible!
One tool of the 5 is hitting for power. Hitting for power is the single most important factor in prices. Home runs increases collectibility. Are there exceptions? Of course. Nevertheless, by and large hr's drives prices. In coins silver dollar size coins are far and away the most valuable. Same design, same history, rarity, artistry and so on. Hr's is that same factor in baseball.
Jeff here: love this analogy!
I already have his 18 Chrome Update and lots of sealed 18 baseball wax. I have no interest in pursuing anything else due to the fact that he's not a guy that I collect. He hits and he walks. Average defensively at best. He's obviously not a 5 tool player but lets be honest, few players are. Guys like Mays, Clemente, Trout, Griffey Jr, etc dont come around that often. A guy like Bobby Witt Jr is a guy who also fits the category. Unfortunately, his cards are also too expensive for my taste.
Chris here - yeah it;s frustrating to think we missed the boat on some of these great players. I missed out on Gunnar! d'oh!!
@@SpitballinCards 90 percent of prospects don't pan out so it's far from an exact science picking the HOFers obviously
When I stared back collecting in 2022 I decided to pc Bobby Witt. Don’t know why but turned out good.
@@user-lh8vw7ki3p He was highly hyped and unlike most guys, turned out so far to live up to it
Just fyi, the MLB great that fans always want to compare Juan Soto to, Ted Williams, wasn't a good fielder either. Btw, it's a ridiculous comparison because Ted was probably top 5 all time hitter but that's who I've heard him compared to most times. ⚾ 🇺🇲
It may seem ridiculous now, but some players become all time greats. Time will tell just how crazy the comparison is.
Chris here - Soto has the potential to put up Williams-like numbers. Will he? We;ll have to wait and see. But potential is there and not a lot of players have that kind of potential.
I feel like Eephus threw us a little eephus 'rage bait' pitch with this Soto stuff to just get engagement... Agree with big daddy Phil. Look at OPS/OPS+ and then WAR. I forgot about Prince Fielder, the 'vegan'. 10,000 calorie a day diet, but it was 'healthy'! 😂😂 Lastly, not to upset Chris, but if Soto doesn't start 2020 on the bench with the Covid issue(?false positive test) ...very, very good chance he takes that MVP from Chris's boy.
Chris here - not impossible that Soto couldve won the 2020 MVP. however, even if his numbers exceeded Freeman, MVP from last place teams are unlikely.
@@SpitballinCards you're right. Off top of my head, I can only come up with Ripken in 1991, and they were second to last. Personally I think it's dumb to include that for baseball, since we all know one player doesn't move the needle in this sport (compared to others). Enjoy Burbank! Feel free to give those 89 donruss cards to a kid...
Jeff here: As far as Eephus, of course he did! 🤣
@@willzsportscards Think Andre Dawson fits the last place MVP bill, too!
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Damn, you're right. Good memory if you didn't consult the Google Oracle. (An aside...a fun topic to discuss...MVPs that should/shouldn't have been ---if more advanced statistics were applied etc.)
.300+ avg 500+ HR 3000+ hits Hank Aaron Willie Mays Miguel Cabrera…that’s it!
Bat drops, Soto Shuffle are big moments? Frank Thomas won back to back MVP's. Those are big moments.
His Nationals playoff play led to WS thus is why he is beloved by all Nationals fans
I'm not quite a Yankees fan but am a fan of individual players. Jaun Soto's 1st Yankee year cards, yes. They would be something to collect. If i saw a short print of J. Soto card, and it was affordable I'd buy it. They are like the 1st year of 49ers Christian Mccaffrey cards. Very collectible. Unlike RC year on the Panthers
Great Great Content....If Soto stays with the Yankess --the sky is the limit....
Jeff here: Appreciate the support! And totally agree.
Scottie posing a question about 1 tool players vs 5 tool players and sitting there with his Larry Walker PC.
Chris here - Walker in his prime had all 5 tools! 97 MVP season was an all time Fantasy Baseball season
@@SpitballinCards yes! That’s what I’m saying. Walker is Mr 5 tools
@@SpitballinCards I thought Scottie was going to come down harder on the 1 dimensional guys
Juan Gonzalez should be in the hall of fame
Witt Jr 5 Tool face of baseball next 10 years.
Can we see an eating contest between Philmington VS anyone? I am worried about him...he needs a double cheeseburger! Jeff, I have an awesome stack of cards for you, how do we reach out?
33 waist but closing in on 32 in a month or so. Losing 0.25 lbs per week. Slow and steady wins the race.
@@Philmington OH oh ohzempic! Hard to commit, keep it up, then time to hit the weights. If you aren't using that vodka behind you, send it over 😉
@@TheCardDeal lol not Ozempic haha it’s been here for a long time!
Not for me 😂
Fair enough!! haha
Hey....you guys Ohtani went 40/40 new episode needed. 🤔.....about buying a PSA 9 Legends in Making need advice.
what about Gunnar!
Also great! Just only his second season
There are 2 separate and occasionally overlapping conversations here. Baseball talent/production and hobby collectability. As Chris pointed out, hype unfortunately accounts for too large a portion of the collectability part. It's why Mickey Mantle is so much more valuable than Willie Mays... a superior all around player. Juan Soto is an amazing hitter and has a great personality, but in a real life baseball sense, he is not a Mookie Betts, Griffey, Mays, Witt (this year) when impacting winning. Line up 9 Mookie Betts or Bobby Witts (can you tell who I buy) on a diamond versus 9 Juan Sotos, and the Mookies and Bobby Baseballs would destroy the Juans. Plus, as I've told Phil before, "Walks aren't sexy." They do juice the numbers though. Also, there is "buyer bias" to push certain narratives. Nobody likes losing money, and there is a lot of hobby money in Soto.
Great comment, Fred
keep up the great work guys.. .love your content.... im a juan soto collector myself... great hitter when it matters...
Chris here - crazy how good he was in the 2019 postseason at such a young age.
U actually talk about baseball and not cards👏👏👏👏
Jeff here: Inevitably, we talk about both! 🤣 But for most if not all of us, our love for cards COMES FROM our love of baseball, so there is always that foundation. Thanks for watching!
@baseballcardaddict you said 4 teams is too many teams for Soto.. Do you still believe that if he goes to the Dodgers ?
Almost forgot the dude flames out on the padres 😂
Does Soto mind being the number 2 for the next possible 8-9 years in NY? Yanks only got room for 1 Captain (Judge)
Judge is already 32. I think winning is important to Soto. Can;t do that as the only star on the team.
The correct answer is Soto. LA doesn’t appreciate like NY does
Long answer is NO!!
One comparison you left out but I’d be curious to see is Manny Ramirez. Manny never a good fielder or known for his speed. Manny was a hitting savant
He needs a bunch of championships before he's in his own category. Good, but not great.
One ring at 25 is a great start!
This whole video is moot within 1 minute of watching. The whole conversation is started o a lie. Soto is NOT a bad defender or baserunner. He is average. Edgar didn't play the field, Soto is an average fielder according to war. Juan Gonzalez was a butcher in the outfield. Soto is SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE LEAGUE AVARAGE DEFENSIVFELY. Clickbait garbage waste of time
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is frank thomas beloved outside of white sox fans? hard for me to tell because im from and live in the chicago area. but white sox fans LOVE frank thomas. he was their guy for 15 years. i think thats his big collecting appeal. he played with one team for so long while also being consistently good. by the time thomas bounced around between a few teams his status as a sox legend was already cemented. and i think that’s his collectibility. being far and away the best player in the history of the white sox franchise.
also. the fact that soto has already played for 3 teams makes his cards less desirable for me. i’ve pulled some nice cards of him and just sent them all to comc. like, he’s a mercinary. gross
Frank Thomas was so good. Incredibly good. I think maybe David Ortiz postseason heroics overshadowed Frank Thomas' overall career acheivements. Both being DH a lot of the time.
What about Ozuna vs. Ohtani for MVP..
Ozuna is 3 HRs away from the triple crown..
Eephus needs to take the L on this one.
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Harper has had more “big moments” than Soto as well. (I might be bias tho)
Miggie had like a 330 career ba if u take out the final 4 years, people don’t realize if he didn’t hang on for $, he would have retired with one of the highest career ba that were more than a few years.
I have no problem with Juan Soto I don’t collect him but fans make me worry more with the constant defending of him 😂 ok I get he’s 25 and his bat launch angle when someone is on first after a rain delay+ is higher and he walks a lot and he’s 25 I do believe he is a fantastic player he’s gonna get his money he deserves it but the fact that y’all are like “yeah he’s normal everywhere but his OPS+ is high!” 😂 and don’t forget he’s 25
What’s the point of that reel which was taken down? Collect what you like. No need to bash others. Hobby won’t grow with negative bashing.
Good point!
Soto has to stay a Yankee and retire with them to be worth buying and investing.
Chris here - at currently prices, I have to agree. Signing with SF would kill his card values. Queens wouldn't help either.
What Soto does at the plate is generational. Let’s not even compare him to betts. Betts and trout are overrated due to war plain and simple
Has anyone checked Soto’s birth certificate?
I’m stopping at 2:13 because when the whole podcast is going to be just about one guy I get bored. I’m much more interested in hearing about something topical to the hobby in general: ct scans, the National, fanatics fest, etc
Trout is so much better than Juan on every level that they should never be mentioned together. The two folks who suggest otherwise are obviously Trout haters. lmao
Trouts OBP is lower, RBI is lower, Soto will pass him in homers as well this year for age 25 season! I also believe Soto will be way less injury prone than Trout! I wouldn't say Trout is so much better😮 and Trout didn't have a Covid year in his age 21 season!
Trout is superior in every single aspect imaginable. Soto is not even in the same stratosphere. Five incredible tools versus the one tool and Trout is the superior hitter as well.
@@baldurathustrayggdrasil2420 Chris here - Trout's peak surpasses everything Soto has done so far. But injuries have wrecked Trout's long term outlook. Big Round numbers seem out of reach now. We'll see where they end up and what kind of prime Soto has.
@@SpitballinCards : I could care less if Trout retires tomorrow and Soto is productive into his late 40's. Trout in his prime remains on another level. He is our Mantle no doubt about it.
Trout was better, not is better. Trout’s not a 5 tool player currently. Even when he was “back” and his “old self” this year he was batting .220. But he’s definitely superior in the strikeout category compared to Soto. Trout was fantastic, but unless something changes, his legacy will be a massive what if to go along with no gold gloves and one career post season hit. Notice I used stats and facts, hopefully that doesn’t make me a hater.
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