One thing I forgot to mention in the video is that these speakers don't disappear. You can localize the tweeter especially when something sharp plays. If enough people ask for the RF7 III, I will reach out to Klipsch, it would help if you can send them an email too. Don't forget to like and subscribe.
Please review the RF7 III. The 8000F and the RF7's were on my shortlist. In the end I went with their heritage line and got some Cornwalls. Definitely not a bright sounding speaker, but with amazing dynamics.
Thomas, You really, really helped me pick the right speakers for my setup. I watch a lot of audio review channels, and you are one of the best! It's obvious when you're excited about a speaker, and you are so good at articulately describing your experience so that I feel that I have just demoed them myself. I ended up buying the RP8000F towers, the 504c center, RP500 SA atmos speakers, a couple of Polk 265 RT in walls and an SVS PB-3000 subwoofer for a 5.1.2. I'm using the Denon X3700H and an Emotiva amp to help drive these bad boys. Eventually I will pump this thing up to a 7.1.4, but my only hurdle is that one of the surrounds will be in a wall with a gas fireplace below it. The sheetrock gets darn right hot, and I'm concerned that the heat will ruin the speakers. What do you think about putting an in wall speaker in a wall that has a gas fireplace in it?
I have my 8000 RF connected to Audio quest 14 gauge pure copper wire no bananas and Sydney's Rca connectors on a Bie wired fashion Awesome sound clarity and datails
Thanks for the video review of one of my favorite brands Thomas. It would be cool to hear some Klipsch on some $10K front end for sure! I have never warmed to the Spun Copper Cerametallic™ Woofers since their inception, for my ears it killied the dynamic mid bass. What would be cool to see you review is the KLIPSCHORN AK6...? The other side of Klipsch is their pro line cinema speaker that are very cool.
Thanks again Thomas. I I’ll be replacing some old JBL’s that have EV horns in them. With the Klipsh 8000 F’s was just waiting to see what your take on them was. As always you seem to have come up with the best and most definitive last words on the subject! I hope I have a good enough front end to do them justice in my McIntosh
Well if you have some old JBL horns, I don't think a 8000F will be an upgrade for you. For me, an upgrade is 2 levels up at least. These are still consider budget line.
I passed up on the 600m again in favor of the crazy sale price on the JBL studio 530, I actually wrote you another book comment but I deleted it 😆 didn't wanna bother you with all my rambling lmao. Thanks again the audio Sensei !
@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Yup, it was sent to my email so I did see it. Thanks and keep it there next time! Regarding the R2R Dac, everyone is waiting for it and I have mixed feelings about it, how to review it...
@@ThomasAndStereo I won't delete my comments anymore, I feel you on the mixed feelings when reviewing certain audio gear, theirs just so many pros vs cons its crazy , i'm going threw the same situation Thomas , My last video upload of the IOTAVX that i'm still working on. THE MULTI-FI-STACK-ATTACK ! And at end of video, i will be doing a comparison, the STACK against The Pioneer Elite Sx-N30, And its very hard to compare , The Stack is more balanced and refined with better dynamics, which leans towards a neutral sound signature , but the Pioneer has that rich powerful sound like a budget Denon integrated 1k amp has , ehaaa both are priced very simular, but the Pioneer sounds amazing with KEF speakers ! And the IOTAVX sounds amazing with all my other speakers . And i'm not a Pioneer fan at all, but the SX-N30 makes Magic with smaller KEF 🔊 ! Its just about finding that synergy theirs no better or best, you and ZF are so correct when you all say that !!! 😆
Value-for-money today is off the charts. It's FAR better today than ever. Even within the last 5 years, everything has gotten much better for the money. Tracking this over the last 45 years, it wasn't always like this - at all. This can be said about a lot of things today.
I have both, the 8000's are awesome! VERY picky on placement and amplification, and correct they scale really well. I improved Base definition by leaning foam wall treatment at a 45deg angle against the speakers rear port.
My gf loves the Pink/Nate duet. I have heard it 4 times in the last month. I have it going through 2 canton le290/2 klipsch rp160m/svspb12/klipsch sw112 and a onkyo nr709/sr603 zone2. The vocals are top notch.
I listen to rock. I had sounds systems that cost me from 10k to 50k. Until one day I sold everything and got some kliptch and marantz amp. The sound was much better and the cost much lower than all my ex expensive systems.
@@daftpaolo9789 I sold all the rest for a crazy price. Lol. I guess metal and rock does not go well with high costly speakers and amp. Was no dynamic and bass.
After doing some research I found out that the dual driver Klipsch is 80 degrees out of phase and it’s very present depending on what seating height you have. They really need a crossover mod to be corrected. A DAC can help but the woofers need to be wired separately if that’s what you plan to do. Do some research and you will find that not only am I correct but they really come to life after being modded.
Ah the Gr research vs audioholics debate. You know I have received email from people who have modded their speaker based on Gr research, some loved it and then there are some who hated it. You are assuming it sound better because the graph looks better but if you look at the blind sound test demo from new record day on the rp600m with the Gr research mod, half prefer the original one before the mod.
Ahhh I am so excited you got these speakers ☺️ thanks for a solid review man. Always top quality. I have a Yamaha receiver and was blown away at how well Klipsch and Yamaha pair. I'd be very curious what you think of the heritage line
@@ThomasAndStereo I hope they send you them man. I'm a part of a Klipsch group on Facebook and from what I hear the rf7s and the Cornwalls are two incredible sounding speakers
I’ve had both and kept the 280Fs because they aren’t quite as bright imo. Running them off of a marantz 6013 Avr and Emotiva xpa3 for front stage. 504c center. And I don’t like the copper trim rings they incorporated in the newer model.
@@TheDoozie43 I'm choosing between 280 and 8000. Thanks for Your opinion. But that man 👆had been asking for difference between 820 and 8000 (Reference line vs Reverence Premiere).
Great job!!! I owned a pair of klipsch rp8000 and I wonder if you had any integrated amp in mind with ht bypass that could match with my speakers. My budget is not over 2000€. I’m sooo confused!!!
Two other reviewers specifically mentioned the RP-8000F having a more or less flat response, with the highs being smooth and extensive but not harsh or overpowering.
Hello Thomas, I'm thinking to go for a Klipsch setup in my living room. Probably going for the RP-6000f @ the front and some RP-500SA in the back. I love music as well movies. I have 3 questions: 1. Should I buy an av receiver like a Marantz NR1710 or just stick to a amp like your Yamaha. I like when the audio sounds full and compleet on lower volume. 2. How do the klipsch Rp 600m bookshelf speakers on stands compare to the RP-6000f like in your video?? 3. What do you mean with a good frond end amp and what is the use for an extra external amp. I'm new in the audio scene 🙈 right now I'm just using basic old stuf like a Kenwood ka-5020 amp and some JBL LX1000. It's your video's that inspire me to invest in some new setup. Thx Thomas!!
The thing is if you are going for 5.1, you will need a receiver. I don't know anything about Marantz. I would think the same logic would apply with the RP6000F but less mid bass, I would assume it would be someone coherent the drivers but can't tell unless I hear them. External amp is great but not necessary, it is only when you play with higher end setup that the benefit really shows. At this level, a good integrated should be fine. I don't know if these RP6000F will be a true upgrade from you JBL LX1000 because those speakers look pretty good. I always say, if you are going to upgrade, jump 2 levels up and not one.
My room is small maybe the r 82f are they good? but I like these 8000f my front is a emotiva bas X A3 with the Denon avc x4 700h and 4 basx A2s for the other 8 channels
Can't beat the price on these. Deciding between these or a pair of SVS floorstanding speakers. Have you listened to any comparable SVS products? Also, looks like you got some Nordost cables on the bookshelf speakers 😂
I had the svs prime before and that has the more traditional sound. Klipsch sound is unique as it is lively and dynamic. Both are great with me liking the Klipsch more but I am driving the Klipsch with way better front end compared to when I had the prime. I would like to try the ultras. I have diy cables actually.
Hi Thomas - I'm about to buy the RP600M, but I am not sure what streamer to pair it with. The main use for the speakers is to stream HD music from Amazon Music. Or should I go with the RW-51M due to its bluetooth connectivity? Could you please help me out?
@@ThomasAndStereo Thomas, I'm not considering the Hives because I like how the bronze color of the woofers on the 600m look. Is there any chance you could recommend the correct streamer to pair the 600m with, one that doesn't cost a fortune please??? Thank you very much in advance!
oh man...these are beauties inside out for the price range . When you said : My wife looked at me like, what are you doing man? XD Thats when you know you lost track of volume lol
I keep changing it, first had them straight forward but had alot of reflection off the wall now its treated. Then I toed them in to limit reflections. What amp would you recommend for these RP8000f to bring them to warmer side of nuetral. Thxs
I have an SVS pb-1000 and am questioning how much sense it would make to pair a floor standing speaker like the 8000f with a subwoofer, should I just go with a bookshelf instead, for a small room?
Hello Thomas, would you tell me where in Canada that I might ever find these speakers for $1300. I have only ever seen them drop as low as $1500 down from $1900. Gibby’s and Crutchfield are the two places I’ve seen them at $1500.
@@BuzzSX Could be worse, $1500 is the MSRP on the 600M's in Australia! BTW, I think I saw these down to 1398 during Boxing Week at a few places Gibby's, LD)
When you say Klipsch are forward are you not using room correction? My 280f sound more laid back with Yamaha YPAO set to natural. A lot of mid-bass and bass. Unless the music has a lot of highs, you generally don't even hear forwardness or highs, they have a very warm sound. I've heard them sound forward when I didn't do a good run with YPAO, which means you need to run it again and get further away from the walls when running it. They did sound forward with my Denon.
@@ThomasAndStereo oh man you got to room correct with these. I got good results after many attempts using Yamaha receiver with ypao and using the mic from my Denon receiver. Took a while to set up properly but my 280f are practically flawless. I'm sure there's better when you listen to $300k but I can't imagine anyone thinking the Klipsch aren't a very good bargain. I think the forwardness or brightness mellows out after a year of regular use. I used to think the tweeters were bright but either my ears have acclimated or the speaker has become tamed. I was in a music listening session about a month ago and thinking the tweeters have become much smoother and clarity is remarkable. I had them for about 8 months and I was thinking the Tweeter still sounded bright but now I've had them for probably about a year and 3 months and I thought they sound a lot more mellow now and high end. I haven't readjusted them at all; makes me wonder if it's more my ears, the speakers are more mellow or if there's just times my speakers perform better for some unknown reason?
@@kohnfutner9637 Yeah, that is the million-dollar question, is it because your ears got used to it. You can try not to listen to it for a week or 2 and listen to them again and see if it is bright.
@@ThomasAndStereo Good to hear from you, Thomas. I named my little brother Thomas 33 years ago. (just saying.) I hadn't done music listening with the 280f in probably a few months. When I went back to listen to music they sounded better than I remembered. Like the edge (forward mid and brightness) was more relaxed, almost soothing. I was surprised by it. Now that brings another question, maybe they sound better than the speakers I usually listen to or maybe I've lost hearing in that time span? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. All I know is I was like yeah these sound really good, man, Seem to keep getting better. I've been listening to music on my bedroom system. My Klipsch are in the family room so it's usually just doing theater work, which is done as good as anything I've ever heard. I find it hard to justify a reason to be unsatisfied. Thank you for reading. 🙏 😊
I have the 5000f driven by a Yamaha r-n803 (plus svs pb 1000); “fun” is an understatement. Although the Tannoy Revolution xt 8f maybe my next speaker purchase...
I guess if you have a room that's totally dedicated for sound testing and have thousands of dollars in equipment its nice. But the average listener doesn't have 10K in gear plus speakers. So how do they do with an average receiver off the best buy shelf in a regular room not all fixed up?
Thomas what speakers are you using for your HT? I have an SC99 pioneer elite like what I’ve seen in your older videos I saw a pioneer elite receiver . Do you recommend these rp8000?
Those are Outlaw LCR. I have a regular Pioneer. I did have an Elite but it was a bluray player. I never plugged these to my Pioneer receiver so I don't know how it will sound. My Pioneer receiver is a bit lean sounding so it does not have a lot of 'body' compared to my stereo amps.
Thomas & Stereo ive noticed that! That’s why I have a separate stereo set up in my office/spare bedroom. My wish would be to incorporate both but I’ve yet to have a solution without have a cluttered mess of equipment.
Comparing the 8000f vs the RF7iii vs the Polk lsim 707 would be a crazy good comparison It’ll let you see how the klipsch sound improves within their line and how they compare to the Polk lsim which was in the same price bracket.
@perl man The Polk LSIM 707's are very good. But I think the RF 7 III's are absolutely astonishing!!! I'll be asking Klipsch to send Thomas a pair for review, meanwhile over the past months I've posted a few videos demonstrating the RF 7 III's performance. If you like, please check them out. Cheers. ua-cam.com/video/M7_zMnd0p9I/v-deo.html
@perl man Agreed. I'd say it all depends on personal preferences and budget😏. But like you, I did a lot of research before settling on the RF 7III's. If you click on the image on the top left it should take you to the channel where I have a few videos of the RF 7III's performing in my space. Enjoy.
Thomas & Stereo I have owned Reference 3 A, B&W and Devore speakers. I am seriously thinking about buying a pair of Klipsch (the price is right!), but they seem to have a lot of cheap parts on them (like the steel binding posts), so Im checking with all my dealers now to see if they know anyone who can upgrade the 600ms with new binding posts (WBT) and crossovers and internal wire. (Dueland)
@@estebannemo1957 Well, they have to to reach a certain price point. There are 2 ways to look at it. For me, I find it amazing that they can deliver such an amazing sound with cheap components. Anyone can build a fancy speaker / system when money is no object. We can always improve on something but there is a reason why a speaker is at a certain price point. Usually, from what I gathered, to run a successful business, the cost of the speaker is about 15% of the selling price else the company will go out of business. Why? If you ever ran a business, you will understand all the hidden cost behind. Now, if you want something of more value, then you will have to look at companies that sell direct to customers perhaps. Here is a link to a comment from a manufacturer that will explain it better. A very good read. www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1348949-philharmonic-audio-dennis-murphy-279.html#post57933376
Thomas, congratulations on another entertaining review, particularly one that a wide range of people can relate to. I've owned both those since they first came out and concur with your experience with each, however, I usually listen to them in a surround setup, but have spent a lot of time pairing them with several amps in stereo application. What I conclude is that the RP series are fundamentally, sound reinforcement speakers, intended to deliver clean dynamics, i.e. fast transition in dB as one would appreciate in an action movie sound effects. When I have used them strictly in stereo, they lack frequency response in the mid band, particularly when played at moderate levels. When belting out sound, they tend to come into better balance through the frequency band (high to low). When playing live music recordings, they can shine nicely over more expensive gear, but they really come together when used in a full 7 or 5 channel setup. The Klipsch center brings out all the missing vocals from the towers or bookshelf types. Then you get true instrument separation with the singer in the middle as in a real live venue. I also own the previous model RF towers with the newest RF center. Although these components are a good bit better than the RP series, the same thing tends to be true. When paired with their center channel, absolutely glorious. Without, as you say, meh. It is simply that the 6.5" and 8" woofers have a significant dB drop off from about 800hz and up, so those speakers rely on the wave guide tweeter (i.e. horn) to pick up the slack. Problem is that those horns only dip down to about 2Khz, thus leaving a void in part of the vocal range. Some think the RP series is warm, but it only seems that way from lack of lower vocal range. The center channel corrects most of this shortcoming. Still, they are a lot of fun, especially for the budget pricing. Won't be using any of my RP gear to replace stereo listening of my Cornwall 3s any time soon though. Cheers Thomas!
Thanks Taz for the clarification. Man I wish I would have spoken to you before I made the review. If I ask for the RF7III, I wonder if I should also ask for the center...
Went from the MA bronze 1 to the Klipsch RP-160M (I'm 15 so couldn't afford the RP600(they cost almost 900 USD here in Norway.) paired with a Hegel HD11 and NAD D3045. And to be honest, I totally agree that the RP line Klipsch's are really fun listening to. You're one of the reasons I decided to buy the RP-160M. They're not sharp at all (a lot of people complain about Klipsch speakers being sharp) They're incredibly loud, Still maintain their "fullness" and doesn't get tinny/or sharp when you turn them up. Yet to break them in so can't judge them, wish they went a little lower (even though I've got a SVS PB-1000). But their bass is quite impressive down to 40 Hz. Keep up your work man, really enjoy your content. Cheers from Norway :)
Budget speakers nowadays aren't made in house but are built off-country to specifications with lower labor costs. Snobs might consider these to be more ephemeral than the in-house built ones.
Hello Thomas, just to share a recent experience. I have Klipsch RP400m . (Previously had 600m and 8000F) I also have Q Acoustics Concept 300. A few days ago, I received my Choco sound Emei. The concepts sounded ok with it. I switched to my Heco Aurora 200 , and immediately my wife whose don't give a f*ck about my tests, says "Those sounds better". ( I was also instantly thinking the same). Later that day, and after listen a little more to the Auroras, ( to make sure it was only that one song) i came to the conclusion, that yes, Auroras sounded better to my ears. ( Not in micro detail, bottom end etc. Just not ashamed by any means in comparison) Then i connect the RP400m.... Since the first note, I was perplexed... "No way"... I think i finally met synergy, because otherwise i cant explain what im hearing. Thing is, all you said in your video, is true. The RP line, is fun in a very special way, and also got a warning from my wife for being carried away with loudness and fun. Ideed its crazy how good the modern affordable speakers sound today.
Without a doubt the 280F are way better than the 600M at least in big rooms. The 600M is good for small rooms and close quarters. I liked them 5 foot away but I didn't like them much from 12 feet away. But the 280F have authority, dynamics and bass punch the 600M can't touch.
I never, ever compare a bookshelf to a floorstander counterpart for several reasons. 1) Different cost 2) The floorstander could be like the bookshelf with extended bass and dynamics or 3) The floorstander could have goofed the implementation and introduce flaws 4) Two different applications. Ideally, the floorstander is (2) more of everything good than the bookshelf is. But I have rarely seen a floorstander that performs as well as a well set up bookshelf and a sub. Essentially, the NHT and JBL l7 towers are a bookshelf mated to a built-in sub and well engineered/integrated. But more often than not...a tower version cuts too many corners to be a successful improvement. (Ie Bloated bass) FWIW: I appreciate Klipsch for certain strengths. I have the rp600M and a sub in one of my systems. Klipsch's titanium tweeter and crossover are inferior to a number of products out there. They lack linearity, control and dimension.
Yep agree with that, spec the active bookshelf ones. I owned the RF7 and replaced them with Active bookshelf 3 ways - and they are wayyyy better in every category. More precise, lower bass, better detailed imaging, they performes perfect in low & loud volumes - its all about the Effort in Speaker Design & Planning and not the size. Agree, most of the times a Bookshelf with/without Sub is the better solution than a big Tower. And yea. you get a lot for your money with klipsch but there are also better solutions on the market
@@vtkz the Klipsch RP8000 towers have a HUGE dip in response (-10db) between the midrange and treble. The RP600M bookshelf doesn't. There is no excuse for that other than cost-cutting / bad engineering on the 8000.
I was planning to buy 8000 for fronts, 6000 for rears, 504 for center, and some vented SVS or Arendal sub. The room is pretty small (~20 sq.m.) and music/movies 70/30. But now we got a damn war here. So, I'm not sure I will reach financially that setup. How do You think, maybe I should consider RP-600m for fronts and rears, 504 for center and 2 sealed subs instead? Or it's better to stick to original setup still (just, probably, to substitute rears for RP-600m instead of RP-6000)?
Cambridge CXA81 with RP8000F sound so lound and clear! I really like my audio system now, and its sounds " bright " , i like it better then the really expensive audio that are to "correct" sounding..
I've had both the 8000f and 600m as well. I noticed the same thing about the 8000f not disappearing into the room as much as I would've liked. The 600m disappeared much more. I was very happy with the 8000f except for that part, I'm having to decide on what's more important to me between the disappearance of the 600m and the mids/bass of the 8000f.
@@hughd7636 Hey Hugh, yes all the music played through the 600m imaged better, at no time can I tell the music is coming from a speaker, it's all coming from the background/air. I could move all around the room and maintain that so it has very big sweet spot. Where as with the 8000f, unless I was sitting dead center I could notice much more the music was coming from the left/right speaker.
I'm between these two. My main problem is the room. It's big but it's an apartment. I'll be listening to mid level volume music. The 8000 looks huge. Wich is better at low volume? the 8000 or the 600m plus a subwoofer?
Great channel and a great review! I'm happy I found you. I own the Klipsch RP-280F that came out before the RP800F and they are exactly what you said in the review. That's pretty impressive, you now got a new subscriber. Keep it up!
Hey great review. I was thinking to have the R8000F with RP600M as surrounds as bookshelf speakers can be used as surround. Do you think its a good setup or would you recommend some other surround speakers, if so which one? Also, would you say if I get a good receiver it should give decent bass (with the built in woofers in R8000F) or subwoofer is necessary?
As much as I like the sonic profile the of the RP600, there seems to be a lacking of punch in the low hundreds hz region. This makes the smaller drums sounds a bit more recessed when compared to the 8000.
Thank you for making a direct comparison between these and the LSiM, as it was a subject that had crossed my mind. My LSiM 5.0 set up sounds terrific with a Denon x7200. But the Klipsch RP sound amazing in a demo room. With no way to pair them for a side-by-side, I rely on word of mouth. Your vids provide authentic, no frills assessments that have enough credibility for my peace of mind.
Hi Thomas, I'm new to the hifi scene and I'm building my first 5.1 setup. I'm currently looking at the 8000f as my main speakers and I have one quick question, does it pair well with the Denon X1600H?
A conclusion would be easy to reach that says the 280f has not good or bad bass definition or that the bass is hummy (box resonance). On the speaker's own it probably does have bass issues but if you used ypao room correction, it will fix that bass right up on the 280f. The bass is clean and powerful in my system with the 280f.
I have the klipsch rp-280fa I only bought them because I got a good price on them... I was always a def tech guy.. bp20s bp2000 studio monitors 450s and I have to say I really really like the klipsch!!!
Hey Thomas, how would these compare both RP models, to the LS50W? Thinking of grabbing something for an NYC apartment. Currently don't own any front end so that's something i'm considering
Not sure your budget or preference style but I like my Klipsch 280f paired with the Yamaha aventage 880 which is laid back. Be prepared for long break in period and hard time getting room correction and placement exactly how you like it unless you're more skilled with it than I was. Last week JBL had the studio 570 for $200 each. I thought that was a good buy so my brother bought a pair. I have the 580 and they're pretty good, too. Elac ub5 is neutral, kinda boring in my opinion but easy to listen to for long periods of time. You might find something you like better. I recommend cheap audio man if you're budget is tight.
I have the smaller ones here in this video with an Onkyo receiver, along with a Polk Audio 10 for the lows. And blown away at how good they sound. I started small, i see so many love/hate reviews on Klipsh speakers. I guess this is one of thoses brands its either you like them or you hate them. Overall, they sound good. They can be a little harsh on the high end, but toe them in a little bit helps with that.
hi just got the yamaha rx-a3080 to pair the klipsch rp-8000f the are fine end sound nice after 100 hours of playing time. (for music end tv but i have not a clear bass en no hi tweeter response how can i fix this for my speakers is it the av receiver or something else can anyone help me please thanks white the settings). Ben grz from Belgium.
I respect you as a reviewer because you are not snobbish towards Polk Audio LSiM. Many audiophiles dismiss them regardless of price. But these speakers go toe to toe with many others. As an all rounder, and at the current price, it's impossible to beat. You get a lot of speaker for very little $$. And that is a value that you may not beat in a lifetime. Sure you can spend a lot more and get a better speaker but value wise,. this beats everything out there. I paid $1050 for my pair from Adorama, shipped. I will never part with my pair even though i have other more 'higher' end speakers and brands audiophiles would much rather pay attention too. I am keeping these till the drivers rot.
Thomas, i have the previous version RP-280F pairing it with emotiva G2 5-ch amp, i dont seem to get much bass from it. Since its similar with 8000F, i assume it the same. Any advice on why i am not getting enough bass or should i say that i am not feeling sufficient bass from it. And any way to make it more punchy? thanks. I got the RC-64 III as the center, and i feel much more punchy bass from it. ???
I’d love to hear about your impressions of Danny Richie’s GR-Research mods for the Klipsch RP-600M speakers if you ever get a chance to hear them. Keep up the fine work!
I've listen to Danny Richie on GR research on the RP 8000f's and I'm confused here's why. Danny stated the Rp 8000f has a big hole in the middle, tweeter and woofers don't crossover correctly. But Audioholics Gene D. had his team do the measurements and stated they were awesome. So I'm not sure who to believe, but going on my Sales experience 26yrs. Danny does sell kits, he does state some truth about price pts speaker companies want to hit a exact price pt on each speaker. So cutting costs is the way to get there.
Hello Thomas, thanks for the excellent review. Am considering these speakers to go with my Marantz model 30 amplifier. Buying them online, hence cannot audition them before buying. Would it be a good match for this amp? My genre of music is Classic rock, jazz, blues.... Thanks in advance.
I personally like it but keep in mind it does have a V curve so the positive is it is very lively and fun, the downside is not all instruments in the presentation will have the same presence. I have not heard the Model 30 so I don't know its sound signature.
It's very easy to change the "forwardness" and "brightness" of most any Klipsch speaker be changing the "tip-in" of them. VERY small changes in tip-in angle can make a dramatic difference.
Hey, Thomas! I do really need Your help here. I was planning to buy 8000 for fronts, 6000 for rears, 504 for center, and some vented SVS or Arendal sub. The room is pretty small (~20 sq.m.) and music/movies 70/30. But now we got a damn war here. So, I'm not sure I will reach financially that setup. How do You think, maybe I should consider RP-600m for fronts and rears, 504 for center and 2 sealed subs instead? Or it's better to stick to original setup still (just, probably, to substitute rears for RP-600m instead of RP-6000)?
Another great time listening to your thoughts and stories Thomas! Props on step-in up the video quality and shots. I really enjoyed the one big shot of the front setup panning down.. good stuff man. I have been going back and forth on this same question all year debating between the RP600M due to all the reviews and from some short listening sessions but in the back of my mind I always wondered if bigger would mean better. I ultimately got lucky enough to hear the 8000F and was blown away but also missed that instrument separation and detail of the RP600M just like you did. So what to do? I purchased the RP 4000F! It seems to be the forgotten child of the lineup because I bought them for an absolute steal brand new, less than the RP600Ms! I am hoping it will l split the difference and give me that just right Goldilocks experience. I have to admit I am worried that the small drivers may hold it back but the small cabinet for a floor stander really intrigued me and it goes deeper than the RP600M, with maybe even more control due to the small drivers? Thats the hope anyway still need to set up this week hopefully I'll let you know! Keep up the great work it doesn't go unnoticed. Glad you are sticking with it!
Mr Kanta absolutely did bring it up because at the end of the day, although we all play with high end audio, we are not dumb and arenot afraid to ask ourselves the tough questions. Part of the reason we can do that is because we have friends that play with budget gear and high end gear. So we listen to a lot of gear and we are constantly moving between different tiers. We KNOW the difference and because we know the difference, we see the gap closing tighter and tighter. Right now I have a pair of Sopra2 that I are just got. How does it compare to all the budget gear I tried, there is a difference for sure. However, as I sit and listen, I ask myself, how big and what is the difference? I can answer that question with my logical head or I can answer that question with my audiophile head. I will explore that when I make the video on the Sopra 2.
One thing I forgot to mention in the video is that these speakers don't disappear. You can localize the tweeter especially when something sharp plays. If enough people ask for the RF7 III, I will reach out to Klipsch, it would help if you can send them an email too. Don't forget to like and subscribe.
Please review the RF7 III. The 8000F and the RF7's were on my shortlist. In the end I went with their heritage line and got some Cornwalls. Definitely not a bright sounding speaker, but with amazing dynamics.
Yes, please review. I'm really looking into getting those.
@@Ba09035 Nice, if you can help me send them an email too, it will help. Thanks!
@@crh4878 Thanks Carlton, if you can send them an email too, it will help me.
@@ThomasAndStereo Can I ask you how I go about this? I will do it.
Thomas,
You really, really helped me pick the right speakers for my setup. I watch a lot of audio review channels, and you are one of the best! It's obvious when you're excited about a speaker, and you are so good at articulately describing your experience so that I feel that I have just demoed them myself. I ended up buying the RP8000F towers, the 504c center, RP500 SA atmos speakers, a couple of Polk 265 RT in walls and an SVS PB-3000 subwoofer for a 5.1.2. I'm using the Denon X3700H and an Emotiva amp to help drive these bad boys. Eventually I will pump this thing up to a 7.1.4, but my only hurdle is that one of the surrounds will be in a wall with a gas fireplace below it. The sheetrock gets darn right hot, and I'm concerned that the heat will ruin the speakers. What do you think about putting an in wall speaker in a wall that has a gas fireplace in it?
I have my 8000 RF connected to Audio quest 14 gauge pure copper wire no bananas and Sydney's Rca connectors on a Bie wired fashion Awesome sound clarity and datails
Loved your review, thank you. I’m using Klipsch / REL for a 7.1.4 home theater and Naim/REL for music.
Decided to go for the rp8000f after listening to kefs, bw, ca and all the regulars. By far the best choice.
Your video quality is getting better and better Thomas, good job!
Thanks, I try!
They drive nicely with an 'warmer' Denon AVR-X6200W .. they take a while to run in.... luv em
Thanks for the video review of one of my favorite brands Thomas.
It would be cool to hear some Klipsch on some $10K front end for sure!
I have never warmed to the Spun Copper Cerametallic™ Woofers since their inception, for my ears it killied the dynamic mid bass.
What would be cool to see you review is the KLIPSCHORN AK6...?
The other side of Klipsch is their pro line cinema speaker that are very cool.
Thanks again Thomas. I I’ll be replacing some old JBL’s that have EV horns in them. With the Klipsh 8000 F’s was just waiting to see what your take on them was. As always you seem to have come up with the best and most definitive last words on the subject! I hope I have a good enough front end to do them justice in my McIntosh
Well if you have some old JBL horns, I don't think a 8000F will be an upgrade for you. For me, an upgrade is 2 levels up at least. These are still consider budget line.
“I see my wife going, Thomas, what the hell you doing?” Awesome
That might be a good Thing
I passed up on the 600m again in favor of the crazy sale price on the
JBL studio 530, I actually wrote you another book comment but I deleted it 😆 didn't wanna bother you with all my rambling lmao. Thanks again the audio Sensei !
Don't delete! I always enjoy reading comments from you. The 530 got many rave reviews and definitely something to consider for the future.
@@ThomasAndStereo did you get to read the comment at all? even after i deleted it, was about 4 paragraphs long lol thank you Thomas
@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Yup, it was sent to my email so I did see it. Thanks and keep it there next time! Regarding the R2R Dac, everyone is waiting for it and I have mixed feelings about it, how to review it...
@@ThomasAndStereo I won't delete my comments anymore, I feel you on the mixed feelings when reviewing certain audio gear, theirs just so many pros vs cons its crazy , i'm going threw the same situation Thomas , My last video upload of the IOTAVX that i'm still working on.
THE MULTI-FI-STACK-ATTACK ! And at end of video, i will be doing a comparison, the STACK against The Pioneer Elite Sx-N30, And its very hard to compare , The Stack is more balanced and refined with better dynamics, which leans towards a neutral sound signature , but the Pioneer has that rich powerful sound like a budget Denon integrated 1k amp has , ehaaa both are priced very simular, but the Pioneer sounds amazing with KEF speakers ! And the IOTAVX sounds amazing with all my other speakers . And i'm not a Pioneer fan at all, but the SX-N30 makes Magic with smaller KEF 🔊 ! Its just about finding that synergy theirs no better or best, you and ZF are so correct when you all say that !!! 😆
So many great speakers under 2k right now, I just want all of them in my house, one for each day of the week lol 🤣
Value-for-money today is off the charts. It's FAR better today than ever. Even within the last 5 years, everything has gotten much better for the money. Tracking this over the last 45 years, it wasn't always like this - at all. This can be said about a lot of things today.
Yup, so true.
I have both, the 8000's are awesome! VERY picky on placement and amplification, and correct they scale really well. I improved Base definition by leaning foam wall treatment at a 45deg angle against the speakers rear port.
Hola, valen la pena comprar los RP600M?
My gf loves the Pink/Nate duet. I have heard it 4 times in the last month. I have it going through 2 canton le290/2 klipsch rp160m/svspb12/klipsch sw112 and a onkyo nr709/sr603 zone2. The vocals are top notch.
I listen to rock. I had sounds systems that cost me from 10k to 50k. Until one day I sold everything and got some kliptch and marantz amp. The sound was much better and the cost much lower than all my ex expensive systems.
How can this be even possibile? Either you used to throw away money in bad gear or...?
@@daftpaolo9789 I sold all the rest for a crazy price. Lol. I guess metal and rock does not go well with high costly speakers and amp. Was no dynamic and bass.
@@pauloalexandre-dd4nl got it. These Klipsch seem like they’re perfect for that
Well...that was an epic bass coming from speakers without adding a subwoofer!!!!
Thank you for another wonderful video
After doing some research I found out that the dual driver Klipsch is 80 degrees out of phase and it’s very present depending on what seating height you have.
They really need a crossover mod to be corrected. A DAC can help but the woofers need to be wired separately if that’s what you plan to do.
Do some research and you will find that not only am I correct but they really come to life after being modded.
Ah the Gr research vs audioholics debate. You know I have received email from people who have modded their speaker based on Gr research, some loved it and then there are some who hated it. You are assuming it sound better because the graph looks better but if you look at the blind sound test demo from new record day on the rp600m with the Gr research mod, half prefer the original one before the mod.
Ahhh I am so excited you got these speakers ☺️ thanks for a solid review man. Always top quality. I have a Yamaha receiver and was blown away at how well Klipsch and Yamaha pair. I'd be very curious what you think of the heritage line
Yeah, maybe I will reach out to them eventually for other lines.
@@ThomasAndStereo I hope they send you them man. I'm a part of a Klipsch group on Facebook and from what I hear the rf7s and the Cornwalls are two incredible sounding speakers
Great work! Loved this comparison. I'm in a dilemma, should I buy R-820F's or the RP-8000F's? The 8000's are double priced
I’ve had both and kept the 280Fs because they aren’t quite as bright imo. Running them off of a marantz 6013 Avr and Emotiva xpa3 for front stage. 504c center. And I don’t like the copper trim rings they incorporated in the newer model.
@@TheDoozie43 I'm choosing between 280 and 8000. Thanks for Your opinion. But that man 👆had been asking for difference between 820 and 8000 (Reference line vs Reverence Premiere).
Great job!!! I owned a pair of klipsch rp8000 and I wonder if you had any integrated amp in mind with ht bypass that could match with my speakers. My budget is not over 2000€. I’m sooo confused!!!
Two other reviewers specifically mentioned the RP-8000F having a more or less flat response, with the highs being smooth and extensive but not harsh or overpowering.
Possible, all depends what gear you pair it with and how you position it.
Hello Thomas, I'm thinking to go for a Klipsch setup in my living room. Probably going for the RP-6000f @ the front and some RP-500SA in the back. I love music as well movies. I have 3 questions: 1. Should I buy an av receiver like a Marantz NR1710 or just stick to a amp like your Yamaha. I like when the audio sounds full and compleet on lower volume. 2. How do the klipsch Rp 600m bookshelf speakers on stands compare to the RP-6000f like in your video??
3. What do you mean with a good frond end amp and what is the use for an extra external amp. I'm new in the audio scene 🙈 right now I'm just using basic old stuf like a Kenwood ka-5020 amp and some JBL LX1000. It's your video's that inspire me to invest in some new setup. Thx Thomas!!
The thing is if you are going for 5.1, you will need a receiver. I don't know anything about Marantz. I would think the same logic would apply with the RP6000F but less mid bass, I would assume it would be someone coherent the drivers but can't tell unless I hear them.
External amp is great but not necessary, it is only when you play with higher end setup that the benefit really shows. At this level, a good integrated should be fine. I don't know if these RP6000F will be a true upgrade from you JBL LX1000 because those speakers look pretty good. I always say, if you are going to upgrade, jump 2 levels up and not one.
Power sound audio speakers have zero ear fatigue. Check them out instead of these. They are phenomenal.
Hi Thomas, I have old PSB Century 800i tower speakers. I am not an audiophile. Will these Klipsch RP800F be a major upgrade for me?
I think you would need to go higher end for a true upgrade. Whenever I upgrade, I jump at least 2 levels up, one level is not enough.
My room is small maybe the r 82f are they good? but I like these 8000f my front is a emotiva bas X A3 with the Denon avc x4 700h and 4 basx A2s for the other 8 channels
Hello, what wall stands do you jave at 1:43 and will those fit the rp600m in that 90 degrees position? Thanks!
Can't beat the price on these. Deciding between these or a pair of SVS floorstanding speakers. Have you listened to any comparable SVS products? Also, looks like you got some Nordost cables on the bookshelf speakers 😂
I had the svs prime before and that has the more traditional sound. Klipsch sound is unique as it is lively and dynamic. Both are great with me liking the Klipsch more but I am driving the Klipsch with way better front end compared to when I had the prime. I would like to try the ultras.
I have diy cables actually.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks for the quick response and great vid. It's always appreciated!
What are your thoughts compared to the acoustic energy 309's or 509's?
Hi Thomas - I'm about to buy the RP600M, but I am not sure what streamer to pair it with. The main use for the speakers is to stream HD music from Amazon Music. Or should I go with the RW-51M due to its bluetooth connectivity? Could you please help me out?
You can also look at The Fives from Klipsh and I will be reviewing it soon.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thomas, I'm not considering the Hives because I like how the bronze color of the woofers on the 600m look.
Is there any chance you could recommend the correct streamer to pair the 600m with, one that doesn't cost a fortune please???
Thank you very much in advance!
Hi Thomas, RP8000F speaker, is the tweeter good . is it good like Martin logan speaker tweeter ? Any advise please. Thanks.
It is titanium so it is detail but can be a bit too bright for some people.
Can you test the B&W 603 to compare with Klipsh RP 8000f
I don't have a B&W contact.
I didn’t know speakers had a break in period
oh man...these are beauties inside out for the price range . When you said : My wife looked at me like, what are you doing man? XD Thats when you know you lost track of volume lol
That is when you know you are in trouble...
Thomas, on the RP8000f what was the best sounding position. Straight a head, 15 degrees towards sweet spot ?
2 different experience, depends on your taste. I have it 2 degrees in.
I keep changing it, first had them straight forward but had alot of reflection off the wall now its treated.
Then I toed them in to limit reflections.
What amp would you recommend for these RP8000f to bring them to warmer side of nuetral. Thxs
I have an SVS pb-1000 and am questioning how much sense it would make to pair a floor standing speaker like the 8000f with a subwoofer, should I just go with a bookshelf instead, for a small room?
You will probably get a bigger sense of scale with the 8000F over the bookshelves.
600m plus 2 subs-Elac.. ? 🤔
Hello Thomas, would you tell me where in Canada that I might ever find these speakers for $1300. I have only ever seen them drop as low as $1500 down from $1900. Gibby’s and Crutchfield are the two places I’ve seen them at $1500.
I usually quote in USD because most of my audience are from the States.
Lol, I thought that maybe the case Thomas. Thanks for the fast reply and I’ll assume that $1500 is about the best we can do up here.
@@BuzzSX Could be worse, $1500 is the MSRP on the 600M's in Australia! BTW, I think I saw these down to 1398 during Boxing Week at a few places Gibby's, LD)
Which subwoofer do you recommend for RP600M?
How big is your listening room?
I have tried it with Martin Logan and paradigm sub (forgot model) and was ok. 13x19 ft I think.
When you say Klipsch are forward are you not using room correction? My 280f sound more laid back with Yamaha YPAO set to natural. A lot of mid-bass and bass. Unless the music has a lot of highs, you generally don't even hear forwardness or highs, they have a very warm sound. I've heard them sound forward when I didn't do a good run with YPAO, which means you need to run it again and get further away from the walls when running it. They did sound forward with my Denon.
I did not use room correction. Forward sounding is not a bad thing, just it's presentation and many people love that.
@@ThomasAndStereo oh man you got to room correct with these. I got good results after many attempts using Yamaha receiver with ypao and using the mic from my Denon receiver. Took a while to set up properly but my 280f are practically flawless.
I'm sure there's better when you listen to $300k but I can't imagine anyone thinking the Klipsch aren't a very good bargain.
I think the forwardness or brightness mellows out after a year of regular use. I used to think the tweeters were bright but either my ears have acclimated or the speaker has become tamed.
I was in a music listening session about a month ago and thinking the tweeters have become much smoother and clarity is remarkable. I had them for about 8 months and I was thinking the Tweeter still sounded bright but now I've had them for probably about a year and 3 months and I thought they sound a lot more mellow now and high end. I haven't readjusted them at all; makes me wonder if it's more my ears, the speakers are more mellow or if there's just times my speakers perform better for some unknown reason?
@@kohnfutner9637 Yeah, that is the million-dollar question, is it because your ears got used to it. You can try not to listen to it for a week or 2 and listen to them again and see if it is bright.
@@ThomasAndStereo
Good to hear from you, Thomas. I named my little brother Thomas 33 years ago. (just saying.)
I hadn't done music listening with the 280f in probably a few months. When I went back to listen to music they sounded better than I remembered. Like the edge (forward mid and brightness) was more relaxed, almost soothing. I was surprised by it.
Now that brings another question, maybe they sound better than the speakers I usually listen to or maybe I've lost hearing in that time span? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. All I know is I was like yeah these sound really good, man, Seem to keep getting better.
I've been listening to music on my bedroom system. My Klipsch are in the family room so it's usually just doing theater work, which is done as good as anything I've ever heard. I find it hard to justify a reason to be unsatisfied. Thank you for reading. 🙏 😊
hi i have found these in a good price and i desided to buy them. I will use them mostly for movies. Is this a good choice?
I would assume so since they have great dynamics. I think you should check out youthman channel as he is more into HT and Klipsch.
@@ThomasAndStereo i have already done that thanks
Hey Thomas do you have an email wanted to ask a question since you have had both the 600m and the 8000f
turbotan@gmail.com
How do they compare to Forte speaker
I have the 5000f driven by a Yamaha r-n803 (plus svs pb 1000); “fun” is an understatement. Although the Tannoy Revolution xt 8f maybe my next speaker purchase...
Nice, I almost bought the xt8f myself.
C39 pre amp and MC 162 amplifier. Sorry accidentally sent 1st message by accident! My bad.
I guess if you have a room that's totally dedicated for sound testing and have thousands of dollars in equipment its nice. But the average listener doesn't have 10K in gear plus speakers. So how do they do with an average receiver off the best buy shelf in a regular room not all fixed up?
Its fine, you work with what you have and if it sound good, that is all that matters.
@@ThomasAndStereo yes I suppose at the end of the day that's true!!
Are the feet detachable ?
No
Thomas what speakers are you using for your HT? I have an SC99 pioneer elite like what I’ve seen in your older videos I saw a pioneer elite receiver . Do you recommend these rp8000?
Those are Outlaw LCR. I have a regular Pioneer. I did have an Elite but it was a bluray player. I never plugged these to my Pioneer receiver so I don't know how it will sound. My Pioneer receiver is a bit lean sounding so it does not have a lot of 'body' compared to my stereo amps.
Thomas & Stereo ive noticed that! That’s why I have a separate stereo set up in my office/spare bedroom. My wish would be to incorporate both but I’ve yet to have a solution without have a cluttered mess of equipment.
Do you notice any changes by bi-amping?
I did not try it.
RP800F vs RF7III
Would love to here your thoughts on the RF7III
Another great vid, Thanks Thomas
Thanks, perhaps I can reach out to Klipsch and ask them to send me the RF7 if there is enough interest from others in this comment section.
Can you drop Klispch an email? I will reach out to them too if enough people ask for it.
Comparing the 8000f vs the RF7iii vs the Polk lsim 707 would be a crazy good comparison
It’ll let you see how the klipsch sound improves within their line and how they compare to the Polk lsim which was in the same price bracket.
@perl man The Polk LSIM 707's are very good. But I think the RF 7 III's are absolutely astonishing!!! I'll be asking Klipsch to send Thomas a pair for review, meanwhile over the past months I've posted a few videos demonstrating the RF 7 III's performance. If you like, please check them out. Cheers.
ua-cam.com/video/M7_zMnd0p9I/v-deo.html
@perl man Agreed. I'd say it all depends on personal preferences and budget😏. But like you, I did a lot of research before settling on the RF 7III's.
If you click on the image on the top left it should take you to the channel where I have a few videos of the RF 7III's performing in my space. Enjoy.
"fun" is a word you hear across the board from reviewers about Klipsch speakers.
Yeah, I never understood that until I have a pair of Klipsch at my place.
Thomas & Stereo I have owned Reference 3 A, B&W and Devore speakers. I am seriously thinking about buying a pair of Klipsch (the price is right!), but they seem to have a lot of cheap parts on them (like the steel binding posts), so Im checking with all my dealers now to see if they know anyone who can upgrade the 600ms with new binding posts (WBT) and crossovers and internal wire. (Dueland)
@@estebannemo1957 Well, they have to to reach a certain price point. There are 2 ways to look at it. For me, I find it amazing that they can deliver such an amazing sound with cheap components. Anyone can build a fancy speaker / system when money is no object. We can always improve on something but there is a reason why a speaker is at a certain price point. Usually, from what I gathered, to run a successful business, the cost of the speaker is about 15% of the selling price else the company will go out of business. Why? If you ever ran a business, you will understand all the hidden cost behind. Now, if you want something of more value, then you will have to look at companies that sell direct to customers perhaps. Here is a link to a comment from a manufacturer that will explain it better. A very good read.
www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1348949-philharmonic-audio-dennis-murphy-279.html#post57933376
@@estebannemo1957 Check out this video series on Ron's channel about upgrading the 600ms: ua-cam.com/video/5ifiz6HrFd0/v-deo.html
@@Simon-dn9kv Yup, was drooling and would love to hear it.
"You can just Google the specs." That's when I liked and subscribed. Thank you.
Thomas, congratulations on another entertaining review, particularly one that a wide range of people can relate to. I've owned both those since they first came out and concur with your experience with each, however, I usually listen to them in a surround setup, but have spent a lot of time pairing them with several amps in stereo application. What I conclude is that the RP series are fundamentally, sound reinforcement speakers, intended to deliver clean dynamics, i.e. fast transition in dB as one would appreciate in an action movie sound effects. When I have used them strictly in stereo, they lack frequency response in the mid band, particularly when played at moderate levels. When belting out sound, they tend to come into better balance through the frequency band (high to low). When playing live music recordings, they can shine nicely over more expensive gear, but they really come together when used in a full 7 or 5 channel setup. The Klipsch center brings out all the missing vocals from the towers or bookshelf types. Then you get true instrument separation with the singer in the middle as in a real live venue. I also own the previous model RF towers with the newest RF center. Although these components are a good bit better than the RP series, the same thing tends to be true. When paired with their center channel, absolutely glorious. Without, as you say, meh. It is simply that the 6.5" and 8" woofers have a significant dB drop off from about 800hz and up, so those speakers rely on the wave guide tweeter (i.e. horn) to pick up the slack. Problem is that those horns only dip down to about 2Khz, thus leaving a void in part of the vocal range. Some think the RP series is warm, but it only seems that way from lack of lower vocal range. The center channel corrects most of this shortcoming. Still, they are a lot of fun, especially for the budget pricing. Won't be using any of my RP gear to replace stereo listening of my Cornwall 3s any time soon though. Cheers Thomas!
Thanks Taz for the clarification. Man I wish I would have spoken to you before I made the review. If I ask for the RF7III, I wonder if I should also ask for the center...
@@ThomasAndStereo Yes, definitely ask for the center RF 64 III, they are great and pairs well with the RF 7 III's..
@@ThomasAndStereo yes, definitely try the center and place the towers as far apart as possible. Even in 3 channel mode, the experience is incredible.
@@CUDAbuster Thanks, I wonder if the 'hole' is the reason why it is so easy to localize the tweeter in the room...
Went from the MA bronze 1 to the Klipsch RP-160M (I'm 15 so couldn't afford the RP600(they cost almost 900 USD here in Norway.) paired with a Hegel HD11 and NAD D3045. And to be honest, I totally agree that the RP line Klipsch's are really fun listening to. You're one of the reasons I decided to buy the RP-160M. They're not sharp at all (a lot of people complain about Klipsch speakers being sharp) They're incredibly loud, Still maintain their "fullness" and doesn't get tinny/or sharp when you turn them up. Yet to break them in so can't judge them, wish they went a little lower (even though I've got a SVS PB-1000). But their bass is quite impressive down to 40 Hz. Keep up your work man, really enjoy your content. Cheers from Norway :)
Thanks for the feedback.
I bet this system sounds killer.
Budget speakers nowadays aren't made in house but are built off-country to specifications with lower labor costs. Snobs might consider these to be more ephemeral than the in-house built ones.
Hello Thomas, just to share a recent experience. I have Klipsch RP400m . (Previously had 600m and 8000F)
I also have Q Acoustics Concept 300. A few days ago, I received my Choco sound Emei. The concepts sounded ok with it. I switched to my Heco Aurora 200 , and immediately my wife whose don't give a f*ck about my tests, says "Those sounds better". ( I was also instantly thinking the same).
Later that day, and after listen a little more to the Auroras, ( to make sure it was only that one song) i came to the conclusion, that yes, Auroras sounded better to my ears. ( Not in micro detail, bottom end etc. Just not ashamed by any means in comparison)
Then i connect the RP400m.... Since the first note, I was perplexed... "No way"... I think i finally met synergy, because otherwise i cant explain what im hearing. Thing is, all you said in your video, is true. The RP line, is fun in a very special way, and also got a warning from my wife for being carried away with loudness and fun. Ideed its crazy how good the modern affordable speakers sound today.
Nice! Thanks for sharing. Yup, it's incredible what affordable speakers can do with a good amplifier.
I couldn’t decide between the 2 pairs, so....................I got both, love them!
Without a doubt the 280F are way better than the 600M at least in big rooms. The 600M is good for small rooms and close quarters. I liked them 5 foot away but I didn't like them much from 12 feet away. But the 280F have authority, dynamics and bass punch the 600M can't touch.
Can you compare it with rf 7 iii. I want to see if in its own class and worth 1700k a piece
I never, ever compare a bookshelf to a floorstander counterpart for several reasons.
1) Different cost
2) The floorstander could be like the bookshelf with extended bass and dynamics or
3) The floorstander could have goofed the implementation and introduce flaws
4) Two different applications.
Ideally, the floorstander is (2) more of everything good than the bookshelf is. But I have rarely seen a floorstander that performs as well as a well set up bookshelf and a sub. Essentially, the NHT and JBL l7 towers are a bookshelf mated to a built-in sub and well engineered/integrated. But more often than not...a tower version cuts too many corners to be a successful improvement. (Ie Bloated bass)
FWIW: I appreciate Klipsch for certain strengths. I have the rp600M and a sub in one of my systems. Klipsch's titanium tweeter and crossover are inferior to a number of products out there. They lack linearity, control and dimension.
Yep agree with that, spec the active bookshelf ones. I owned the RF7 and replaced them with Active bookshelf 3 ways - and they are wayyyy better in every category. More precise, lower bass, better detailed imaging, they performes perfect in low & loud volumes - its all about the Effort in Speaker Design & Planning and not the size. Agree, most of the times a Bookshelf with/without Sub is the better solution than a big Tower. And yea. you get a lot for your money with klipsch but there are also better solutions on the market
@@vtkz the Klipsch RP8000 towers have a HUGE dip in response (-10db) between the midrange and treble. The RP600M bookshelf doesn't. There is no excuse for that other than cost-cutting / bad engineering on the 8000.
I was planning to buy 8000 for fronts, 6000 for rears, 504 for center, and some vented SVS or Arendal sub. The room is pretty small (~20 sq.m.) and music/movies 70/30.
But now we got a damn war here. So, I'm not sure I will reach financially that setup.
How do You think, maybe I should consider RP-600m for fronts and rears, 504 for center and 2 sealed subs instead? Or it's better to stick to original setup still (just, probably, to substitute rears for RP-600m instead of RP-6000)?
Cambridge CXA81 with RP8000F sound so lound and clear! I really like my audio system now, and its sounds " bright " , i like it better then the really expensive audio that are to "correct" sounding..
careful with your hearing though, tinnitus is a real bitch
I've had both the 8000f and 600m as well. I noticed the same thing about the 8000f not disappearing into the room as much as I would've liked. The 600m disappeared much more. I was very happy with the 8000f except for that part, I'm having to decide on what's more important to me between the disappearance of the 600m and the mids/bass of the 8000f.
Hi Richel H are you saying that the 600m disappeared when being played ? And how wide is their sweet spot. Thanks
@@hughd7636 Hey Hugh, yes all the music played through the 600m imaged better, at no time can I tell the music is coming from a speaker, it's all coming from the background/air. I could move all around the room and maintain that so it has very big sweet spot. Where as with the 8000f, unless I was sitting dead center I could notice much more the music was coming from the left/right speaker.
I'm between these two. My main problem is the room. It's big but it's an apartment. I'll be listening to mid level volume music. The 8000 looks huge. Wich is better at low volume? the 8000 or the 600m plus a subwoofer?
Great channel and a great review! I'm happy I found you. I own the Klipsch RP-280F that came out before the RP800F and they are exactly what you said in the review. That's pretty impressive, you now got a new subscriber. Keep it up!
Welcome aboard!
Hey great review. I was thinking to have the R8000F with RP600M as surrounds as bookshelf speakers can be used as surround. Do you think its a good setup or would you recommend some other surround speakers, if so which one? Also, would you say if I get a good receiver it should give decent bass (with the built in woofers in R8000F) or subwoofer is necessary?
As much as I like the sonic profile the of the RP600, there seems to be a lacking of punch in the low hundreds hz region. This makes the smaller drums sounds a bit more recessed when compared to the 8000.
Thank you for making a direct comparison between these and the LSiM, as it was a subject that had crossed my mind. My LSiM 5.0 set up sounds terrific with a Denon x7200. But the Klipsch RP sound amazing in a demo room. With no way to pair them for a side-by-side, I rely on word of mouth. Your vids provide authentic, no frills assessments that have enough credibility for my peace of mind.
Hi Thomas, I'm new to the hifi scene and I'm building my first 5.1 setup. I'm currently looking at the 8000f as my main speakers and I have one quick question, does it pair well with the Denon X1600H?
Sorry need heard that Denon
A conclusion would be easy to reach that says the 280f has not good or bad bass definition or that the bass is hummy (box resonance). On the speaker's own it probably does have bass issues but if you used ypao room correction, it will fix that bass right up on the 280f. The bass is clean and powerful in my system with the 280f.
Good review Thomas.
I have the klipsch rp-280fa I only bought them because I got a good price on them... I was always a def tech guy.. bp20s bp2000 studio monitors 450s and I have to say I really really like the klipsch!!!
Hey Thomas, how would these compare both RP models, to the LS50W? Thinking of grabbing something for an NYC apartment. Currently don't own any front end so that's something i'm considering
Not sure your budget or preference style but I like my Klipsch 280f paired with the Yamaha aventage 880 which is laid back. Be prepared for long break in period and hard time getting room correction and placement exactly how you like it unless you're more skilled with it than I was.
Last week JBL had the studio 570 for $200 each. I thought that was a good buy so my brother bought a pair. I have the 580 and they're pretty good, too.
Elac ub5 is neutral, kinda boring in my opinion but easy to listen to for long periods of time.
You might find something you like better. I recommend cheap audio man if you're budget is tight.
I have the smaller ones here in this video with an Onkyo receiver, along with a Polk Audio 10 for the lows. And blown away at how good they sound. I started small, i see so many love/hate reviews on Klipsh speakers. I guess this is one of thoses brands its either you like them or you hate them. Overall, they sound good. They can be a little harsh on the high end, but toe them in a little bit helps with that.
You do great reviews. I appreciate that you focus on your impressions of the speakers' performance, and not the specs.
hi
just got the yamaha rx-a3080 to pair the klipsch rp-8000f the are fine end sound nice after 100 hours of playing time. (for music end tv but i have not a clear bass en no hi tweeter response how can i fix this for my speakers is it the av receiver or something else can anyone help me please thanks white the settings).
Ben grz from Belgium.
So Thomas what were the other two speakers that gave you that feeling?
Wow!
This guy is like the Vincent Teoh for audio systems!
lol...must be the glasses :)
id104335409 lol
If only they made a RP center that is a 3 way. My seating is too wide so the RP centers are lacking. Otherwise I have no guff with Klipsch
If you are more of a movie and tv buff the floor standing speakers are better. I like music but i like home speakers for movie and television use.
I respect you as a reviewer because you are not snobbish towards Polk Audio LSiM. Many audiophiles dismiss them regardless of price. But these speakers go toe to toe with many others. As an all rounder, and at the current price, it's impossible to beat. You get a lot of speaker for very little $$. And that is a value that you may not beat in a lifetime. Sure you can spend a lot more and get a better speaker but value wise,. this beats everything out there. I paid $1050 for my pair from Adorama, shipped. I will never part with my pair even though i have other more 'higher' end speakers and brands audiophiles would much rather pay attention too. I am keeping these till the drivers rot.
Thanks, and I can tell you the better frontend gear you give it, the better it will scale.
It's a little telling that all "audiophile" UA-cam channels have horrible audio recording quality...
My endgame tower speakers
Hi there my friend has a plan to pair 8000s with Rotel RA-14. Do you think its a good match?
Thomas, i have the previous version RP-280F pairing it with emotiva G2 5-ch amp, i dont seem to get much bass from it. Since its similar with 8000F, i assume it the same. Any advice on why i am not getting enough bass or should i say that i am not feeling sufficient bass from it. And any way to make it more punchy? thanks. I got the RC-64 III as the center, and i feel much more punchy bass from it. ???
Probably placement/seating position issue.
I’d love to hear about your impressions of Danny Richie’s GR-Research mods for the Klipsch RP-600M speakers if you ever get a chance to hear them. Keep up the fine work!
Yeah, me too! I was drooling when I saw that video!
Can someone out there PLEASE send Thomas a pair of GR-Research-modded RP-600M’s to review? 😊
I've listen to Danny Richie on GR research on the RP 8000f's and I'm confused here's why.
Danny stated the Rp 8000f has a big hole in the middle, tweeter and woofers don't crossover correctly.
But Audioholics Gene D. had his team do the measurements and stated they were awesome. So I'm not sure who to believe, but going on my Sales experience 26yrs. Danny does sell kits, he does state some truth about price pts speaker companies want to hit a exact price pt on each speaker. So cutting costs is the way to get there.
Which one would you choose between the rb 280fa or the 8000f ? They are both same price !
Sorry, never heard the 280f
Thomas are you still rocking these giants ? If not where are you sending us for an upgrade ?
Hello Thomas, thanks for the excellent review.
Am considering these speakers to go with my Marantz model 30 amplifier. Buying them online, hence cannot audition them before buying.
Would it be a good match for this amp? My genre of music is Classic rock, jazz, blues....
Thanks in advance.
I personally like it but keep in mind it does have a V curve so the positive is it is very lively and fun, the downside is not all instruments in the presentation will have the same presence. I have not heard the Model 30 so I don't know its sound signature.
It's very easy to change the "forwardness" and "brightness" of most any Klipsch speaker be changing the "tip-in" of them. VERY small changes in tip-in angle can make a dramatic difference.
Yup, very interesting how they change with positioning.
Thanks heaps for the detailed review Thomas!! Which sound did you prefer more between the IOTAVX stack or Yamaha WXA50 with the Klipsch's?
I like it with the WXA50 more BUT with an external DAC.
Hey, Thomas! I do really need Your help here.
I was planning to buy 8000 for fronts, 6000 for rears, 504 for center, and some vented SVS or Arendal sub. The room is pretty small (~20 sq.m.) and music/movies 70/30.
But now we got a damn war here. So, I'm not sure I will reach financially that setup.
How do You think, maybe I should consider RP-600m for fronts and rears, 504 for center and 2 sealed subs instead? Or it's better to stick to original setup still (just, probably, to substitute rears for RP-600m instead of RP-6000)?
For me, the back speakers are just for effect so any speakers will do. The most important is to get the front 3 speakers right.
Just subscribe man you get me pumped I haven’t yet bought something Iam on a budget any recommend speakers with amp under $1000
Check out my video on what speaker to buy. Thanks.
How are 8000F II different from these... cant wait to have mines.
Is there any difference between the 8000f and the rp 280 besides cosmetic changes?
Sorry, never heard the rp280.
obviously answer is yes,,, but in what ways,,, 15 words or less pls
Another great time listening to your thoughts and stories Thomas! Props on step-in up the video quality and shots. I really enjoyed the one big shot of the front setup panning down.. good stuff man.
I have been going back and forth on this same question all year debating between the RP600M due to all the reviews and from some short listening sessions but in the back of my mind I always wondered if bigger would mean better.
I ultimately got lucky enough to hear the 8000F and was blown away but also missed that instrument separation and detail of the RP600M just like you did. So what to do? I purchased the RP 4000F! It seems to be the forgotten child of the lineup because I bought them for an absolute steal brand new, less than the RP600Ms!
I am hoping it will l split the difference and give me that just right Goldilocks experience. I have to admit I am worried that the small drivers may hold it back but the small cabinet for a floor stander really intrigued me and it goes deeper than the RP600M, with maybe even more control due to the small drivers? Thats the hope anyway still need to set up this week hopefully I'll let you know! Keep up the great work it doesn't go unnoticed. Glad you are sticking with it!
Yes, please let me know and appreciate the well-written comment.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on JBL studio 530 they are comparable to the 600m. You can get them for $299 shipped with free returns atm on JBL site.
Yeah, everyone is talking about them. Sadly ,I am in Canada and it is way more but I will see what I can do.
Thanks Thomas for the review it really helped me to plan my home theater
RF7III next?? Great review. Thanks for the honesty
Thanks, if enough people want it, sure. Can you drop Klispch an email? I will reach out to them too if enough people ask for it.
C'mon Thomas I doubt you're friends said how do people sell high end speakers after listening to these lol.
Mr Kanta absolutely did bring it up because at the end of the day, although we all play with high end audio, we are not dumb and arenot afraid to ask ourselves the tough questions. Part of the reason we can do that is because we have friends that play with budget gear and high end gear. So we listen to a lot of gear and we are constantly moving between different tiers. We KNOW the difference and because we know the difference, we see the gap closing tighter and tighter. Right now I have a pair of Sopra2 that I are just got. How does it compare to all the budget gear I tried, there is a difference for sure. However, as I sit and listen, I ask myself, how big and what is the difference? I can answer that question with my logical head or I can answer that question with my audiophile head. I will explore that when I make the video on the Sopra 2.