@@MarcelianOnline I mean its fair to say that when people go back and watch the video later that they don't want to essentially watch a loading screen for 18min.
For me there's a weird tension in the game right now. The class designs are BY FAR the best they have ever been, and they've built a whole new system around playing alts. And yet it's harder than it's been in a while to "complete" even a single character, which is what I suspect most players want out of a season. I imagine the typical pretty dedicated PvE player probably does about enough content to fill their vault slots on one character. So roughly 8 dungeons per week and a raid clear, maybe some delves and world stuff for rep. That's a lot of stuff to do every week for 4 months. With the exception of mythic raiders, players will primarily be relying on the weekly vault to get their best gear to "finish" their character for the season. So with great luck and a few crafted slots, it'll take a whole season to complete one character. If you want to complete two, or three, or four, you have to put in nearly two, three or four times the time. The small discount in crests (and the dreaded valorstones) helps barely at all because every character is waiting for the vault if you want Myth stuff without Mythic raiding.* So the expansion that has gone hard on alt friendliness has also made it nearly impossible for the typical player to achieve their seasonal goals on more than one character (if even one!). What I expected from this season was to finish my main in like 4 weeks... And then go and do the same thing on 3 alts for the rest of the season. Because the raw classes are fun enough to make that appealing. But the gearing systems get in the way of that and make me barely want to pick up the game to finish my main at this point. I really hope they can nail this, I think the game is so close to being really awesome if they can just get the gearing situation right. *Its awful relying on Mythic raid for gearing, especially since the logistical challenge of getting exactly 20 players of the right type who can play nice is harder than just killing the bosses.
I wonder if a requirement like in delves where u have to do a 2 to get to a 3 and so on , if mplus could have a requirement where u have to a m2, to get to a m3 and up so the new player has to see content before they jump into a 7,8,9 ect.
Seems like a bit much tho I wouldn't want to do every dungeon on every level all the way up .. I did a little research before jumping in to the +2 and I jumped to a +4 on a few where I felt I knew the mechanics and did fine but it's just a steep learning curve on dungeons for people who do not watch guide videos and stuff
I feel like they're gatekeeping Myth track gear in TWW compared to DF. IN DF you got Myth track in vault on an 8 and crests on 6 (if I remember correctly) now you need 10 and 8. Getting Myth track for non Mythic raiders are once a week in the vault and making that higher in TWW make it take longer to reach that level to be able to get those 10's for the vault
What if similarly to the catalyst they gave a bi-weekly token to upgrade an item from one track to the next. So every two weeks you could upgrade an item from Hero -> Myth track. Of course you'd still need to do the harder content to farm the crests to upgrade it along that track, but would prevent this issue where people are waiting on RNG for the vault to drop a mythic sacbrood to reach higher ilvl.
For me, the only problem was that you need 10s to get myth track vault. It's a big jump from 9s. I don't mind any other keys, just make 9s the default for myth track vault. I got more myth track items from mythic raid , than coping with pugs to fill my mythic plus vault.
like they give an XP bonus the more max lvl chars you have. They should give a crest/valorstone reduction from how may chars you have that has made a certain Ilvl.
As a new player i hit that cliff wall, how i'm supossed to jump in straight to +7 while i'm strugiing with +3 ? And i get nothing from +3 besides frustration
That dk gameplay in the background fighting the last boss of ara kara triggered me so much. homie spent 90% of the fight in narnia not even hitting the boss 💀
Mechanics in dungeons have become wild. What really gets me is the amount of interrupts that always need to happen. You can have 4 casts at a time going off with some mob packs. It's not pug friendly because my interrupts are ALWAYS getting clipped but someone else. You need to be in discord basically to do any real content.
Personally I think “top nasa level” should be included but it should only reward mounts, titles etc. top spec gear should be within reach of average players willing to grind for it.
Guys, next season the game will finally be fun trust me bro no no please dont unsubscribe bro blizzard needs that money you got to trust Medsen we are going home fr fr this time
So what about the deplete system ? Basically most players can't play the game past 12 keys because either you are a DPS and you are drowned in the sea of pugs that have better gear or IO, or you play a tank or a healer but still have to wait 15-30 min between keys to find a group ( which will most likely deplete in the first 5 min ) and this is based on the fact that you have at least 630 ilvl and 2960-3000 io. People are so paranoid about depleting their key that i see some lobbies waiting for the '' one '' for maybe an hour, it's ridiculous. Just make the change that keys can't be depleted, you have to prog the fucking keys, it makes no sense at all to deplete them.
They should remove crests and put some logic with crafting Items scalling with overal profesion skill and be able to Craft/dewelop by crafters some unique Items with random utilities not just knowed formulas.. like we have some boxes for different mats and we decide what we put inside and this could craft someting unknown. Like in the book "the road od shaman" machan crates varied Items not included in scenerios .. that will be avesome.
Just came back after 13years not playing wow, and starting in delves was perfect since I new know one. Just trying to get into a Mythic is very difficult. LFR some people give you a chance. You will not get new people to this game if things don't change.
@Robin...222 cool prove it you did it with all your alts. Make sure bran is level 1 too each time and then we can talk. Most people can't even do delves beyond 5 solo. Sure most people can now on low ilvl alts with their juiced up bran but they are always carried by him.
There is zero reason to do anything higher than 10s, bring back DF where i could get myth gear drops in dungeons. I want to gear multiple characters and the vault system should be bad luck protection, not the only way.
10s are easy. The reason to do higher keys is to actually challenge yourself. It may not be what most people want to do, and that's fine, but that is the motivation for many players. What is the point in getting your character geared up if you aren't going to challenge yourself?
Remove Veteran gear from the game M+ 0-3 drops Champion 6/8 to 8/8 in the Vault 1/8 Hero M+ 4-7 drops Hero 4/8 to 7/8 in the Vault 1/8 Myth M+ 8-10 drops Myth 2/8 to 4/8 in the Vault 5/8 Myth M+12 above Vault = 8/8 Myth - get away from the crest system - you have farmed a full Vault and there is no Item? get the chance to pick a item to craft a Hero/Myth Item - M+ System change to Delv System. You need to clear a +9 to open and join a +10 and so on. just some ideas
Unless you are pushing keys or doing mythic raid, you don't need myth track gear... I don't understand why people want Myth track gear to be ridiculously easy to obtain.
There’s a shit ton of people who raid regularly and don’t know wtf they’re doing in Mythics. Not that high M+ makes you elite, you’re not special forces ffs.
So do delves get vault hero gear from vault. Now when done, you jump in to m+ and know nothing about the dungeon, and doing lower keys is just a waste of time. Its broken. Remove one shot mechanics. Make it fun, not stressful its a game right. More gear reward for lower keys to make it rewarding to learn.
The gearing is so bad that i would go as far as to suggest a new player to start at the .5 patch to get all the catchup Sparks and just craft all the gear instead of dealing with the poor reward system of M+.
Wdym? Gearing is sadly the best its ever been (negatively impacting M+ as a result) the only bad thing is there is no reliable way to get Myth track outside of raid. But you can get hero track like crazy. Even upgraded champ track is enough to get you through 10s easily.
@@whereisthesurvivalhunter9525 explain the contradiction. Its extremly easy to get geared. You can be 600+ within 2 hours of hitting level cap. That is enough to get you through literally all forms of content. The only hard part about it is getting myth track gear, but it's not really needed. Explain the contradiction, and learn to spell you 'ret hard'
@@deseanroot75 Hero track is trash this season though, being 13 ilvls behind myth instead of the usual 6-7 and thats probably why bliz made it easier to get.
@@joyo1994 sure, but you can do all endgame content with hero track gear. You dont 'need' myth track. I agree getting myth sucks, but thankfully you can play the game without it and you get all other tracks easier than before.
I still say, world content should not have a path to hero gear. The content is not as hard (delves maybe at high level) and then people get the false attitude that they can jump into 8s and 9s.
My thoughts is maybe lower to hero 1 or 2 gear but make delves more like mini dungeons instead of just an easy mission.. make it so you need to do interrupts and other mechanics or wipe .. that way it would prepare people for actual dungeons
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Life saver. Cant stand these hours of waiting for someone to show up. Just lazy and annoying
Can y'all just relax ? :)) This was a live stream
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@@MarcelianOnline I mean its fair to say that when people go back and watch the video later that they don't want to essentially watch a loading screen for 18min.
For me there's a weird tension in the game right now. The class designs are BY FAR the best they have ever been, and they've built a whole new system around playing alts. And yet it's harder than it's been in a while to "complete" even a single character, which is what I suspect most players want out of a season.
I imagine the typical pretty dedicated PvE player probably does about enough content to fill their vault slots on one character. So roughly 8 dungeons per week and a raid clear, maybe some delves and world stuff for rep. That's a lot of stuff to do every week for 4 months. With the exception of mythic raiders, players will primarily be relying on the weekly vault to get their best gear to "finish" their character for the season. So with great luck and a few crafted slots, it'll take a whole season to complete one character. If you want to complete two, or three, or four, you have to put in nearly two, three or four times the time. The small discount in crests (and the dreaded valorstones) helps barely at all because every character is waiting for the vault if you want Myth stuff without Mythic raiding.* So the expansion that has gone hard on alt friendliness has also made it nearly impossible for the typical player to achieve their seasonal goals on more than one character (if even one!).
What I expected from this season was to finish my main in like 4 weeks... And then go and do the same thing on 3 alts for the rest of the season. Because the raw classes are fun enough to make that appealing. But the gearing systems get in the way of that and make me barely want to pick up the game to finish my main at this point. I really hope they can nail this, I think the game is so close to being really awesome if they can just get the gearing situation right.
*Its awful relying on Mythic raid for gearing, especially since the logistical challenge of getting exactly 20 players of the right type who can play nice is harder than just killing the bosses.
I wonder if a requirement like in delves where u have to do a 2 to get to a 3 and so on , if mplus could have a requirement where u have to a m2, to get to a m3 and up so the new player has to see content before they jump into a 7,8,9 ect.
Seems like a bit much tho I wouldn't want to do every dungeon on every level all the way up .. I did a little research before jumping in to the +2 and I jumped to a +4 on a few where I felt I knew the mechanics and did fine but it's just a steep learning curve on dungeons for people who do not watch guide videos and stuff
3s are the worst. They are bricked 4s.
I feel like they're gatekeeping Myth track gear in TWW compared to DF. IN DF you got Myth track in vault on an 8 and crests on 6 (if I remember correctly) now you need 10 and 8. Getting Myth track for non Mythic raiders are once a week in the vault and making that higher in TWW make it take longer to reach that level to be able to get those 10's for the vault
you really dont myth track if you dont raid mythic
What if similarly to the catalyst they gave a bi-weekly token to upgrade an item from one track to the next. So every two weeks you could upgrade an item from Hero -> Myth track. Of course you'd still need to do the harder content to farm the crests to upgrade it along that track, but would prevent this issue where people are waiting on RNG for the vault to drop a mythic sacbrood to reach higher ilvl.
For me, the only problem was that you need 10s to get myth track vault. It's a big jump from 9s. I don't mind any other keys, just make 9s the default for myth track vault. I got more myth track items from mythic raid , than coping with pugs to fill my mythic plus vault.
like they give an XP bonus the more max lvl chars you have. They should give a crest/valorstone reduction from how may chars you have that has made a certain Ilvl.
As a new player i hit that cliff wall, how i'm supossed to jump in straight to +7 while i'm strugiing with +3 ? And i get nothing from +3 besides frustration
That dk gameplay in the background fighting the last boss of ara kara triggered me so much. homie spent 90% of the fight in narnia not even hitting the boss 💀
Mechanics in dungeons have become wild. What really gets me is the amount of interrupts that always need to happen. You can have 4 casts at a time going off with some mob packs. It's not pug friendly because my interrupts are ALWAYS getting clipped but someone else. You need to be in discord basically to do any real content.
Personally I think “top nasa level” should be included but it should only reward mounts, titles etc. top spec gear should be within reach of average players willing to grind for it.
why, just go for Hero gear, thats simple enough
Guys, next season the game will finally be fun trust me bro no no please dont unsubscribe bro blizzard needs that money you got to trust Medsen we are going home fr fr this time
So what about the deplete system ?
Basically most players can't play the game past 12 keys because either you are a DPS and you are drowned in the sea of pugs that have better gear or IO, or you play a tank or a healer but still have to wait 15-30 min between keys to find a group ( which will most likely deplete in the first 5 min ) and this is based on the fact that you have at least 630 ilvl and 2960-3000 io.
People are so paranoid about depleting their key that i see some lobbies waiting for the '' one '' for maybe an hour, it's ridiculous.
Just make the change that keys can't be depleted, you have to prog the fucking keys, it makes no sense at all to deplete them.
They should remove crests and put some logic with crafting Items scalling with overal profesion skill and be able to Craft/dewelop by crafters some unique Items with random utilities not just knowed formulas.. like we have some boxes for different mats and we decide what we put inside and this could craft someting unknown. Like in the book "the road od shaman" machan crates varied Items not included in scenerios .. that will be avesome.
Any vod watchers, 13:11 is when the show starts.
16:00 for after they fix technical issues
Shouldn't the gap in gear be equal to the skill gap?
Just came back after 13years not playing wow, and starting in delves was perfect since I new know one. Just trying to get into a Mythic is very difficult. LFR some people give you a chance. You will not get new people to this game if things don't change.
People saying delves are too easy are the same people that still cant even kill ?? Zekvir. Just excuses to gatekeep and its dumb.
delves are way to easy zekvir is way to easy, can do that with all my 580 alts
@Robin...222 cool prove it you did it with all your alts. Make sure bran is level 1 too each time and then we can talk. Most people can't even do delves beyond 5 solo. Sure most people can now on low ilvl alts with their juiced up bran but they are always carried by him.
There is zero reason to do anything higher than 10s, bring back DF where i could get myth gear drops in dungeons. I want to gear multiple characters and the vault system should be bad luck protection, not the only way.
very true man
10s are easy. The reason to do higher keys is to actually challenge yourself. It may not be what most people want to do, and that's fine, but that is the motivation for many players. What is the point in getting your character geared up if you aren't going to challenge yourself?
if i get bis fast i go faster to an alt, so i play more/ if it take me half a season to get bis i quit.
Remove Veteran gear from the game
M+ 0-3 drops Champion 6/8 to 8/8 in the Vault 1/8 Hero
M+ 4-7 drops Hero 4/8 to 7/8 in the Vault 1/8 Myth
M+ 8-10 drops Myth 2/8 to 4/8 in the Vault 5/8 Myth
M+12 above Vault = 8/8 Myth
- get away from the crest system
- you have farmed a full Vault and there is no Item? get the chance to pick a item to craft a Hero/Myth Item
- M+ System change to Delv System. You need to clear a +9 to open and join a +10 and so on.
just some ideas
The issue here is you would be able to farm full mythic gear in a single week with those changes and Blizz dont want that
you dont need myth gear if you dont raid mythic
Unless you are pushing keys or doing mythic raid, you don't need myth track gear... I don't understand why people want Myth track gear to be ridiculously easy to obtain.
There’s a shit ton of people who raid regularly and don’t know wtf they’re doing in Mythics. Not that high M+ makes you elite, you’re not special forces ffs.
No, but walking into a +8 and not knowing what you are doing, wipes the key.
@@Joel-pf6frits only a key right, its not that important, you will get others, if people are having fun thats more important.
@@TacBlades so wasting others time is not important? wasting others time is not fun.
So do delves get vault hero gear from vault.
Now when done, you jump in to m+ and know nothing about the dungeon, and doing lower keys is just a waste of time. Its broken.
Remove one shot mechanics.
Make it fun, not stressful its a game right.
More gear reward for lower keys to make it rewarding to learn.
Longest fucking intro ive ever seen 😂😂😂
The gearing is so bad that i would go as far as to suggest a new player to start at the .5 patch to get all the catchup Sparks and just craft all the gear instead of dealing with the poor reward system of M+.
Wdym? Gearing is sadly the best its ever been (negatively impacting M+ as a result) the only bad thing is there is no reliable way to get Myth track outside of raid. But you can get hero track like crazy. Even upgraded champ track is enough to get you through 10s easily.
You just disagreed and then contradicted yourself. Are you ret harded ?
@@whereisthesurvivalhunter9525 explain the contradiction. Its extremly easy to get geared. You can be 600+ within 2 hours of hitting level cap. That is enough to get you through literally all forms of content. The only hard part about it is getting myth track gear, but it's not really needed.
Explain the contradiction, and learn to spell you 'ret hard'
@@deseanroot75 Hero track is trash this season though, being 13 ilvls behind myth instead of the usual 6-7 and thats probably why bliz made it easier to get.
@@joyo1994 sure, but you can do all endgame content with hero track gear. You dont 'need' myth track. I agree getting myth sucks, but thankfully you can play the game without it and you get all other tracks easier than before.
Homie on top talks to much and is constantly cutting homie on the bottom off. Shits annoying af.
I still say, world content should not have a path to hero gear. The content is not as hard (delves maybe at high level) and then people get the false attitude that they can jump into 8s and 9s.
And who are you to gatekeep them?
@@inmysoul7 0 to 100 there, am I not entitled to an opinion?
@@Joel-pf6fr Yeah you right 🤣
My thoughts is maybe lower to hero 1 or 2 gear but make delves more like mini dungeons instead of just an easy mission.. make it so you need to do interrupts and other mechanics or wipe .. that way it would prepare people for actual dungeons
@@Gutmonkey9 pointless. We have dungeons we dont need more.
Just scrap delves allready, just a waste of fucking time. Since you have to go grind mythic plus and raids after that eather ways.