What if Pawnot (w/o Revival Blessing, so we don't have the Pokemon equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb during a Bronze Age conflict) was in Gen 4? It's basically the Electivire we've always wanted, right?
@@Veinelsomaybe not double shock because burn up didn’t exist yet either but we could say wild charge is the flare blitz clone it should be. (I’m saying this because iirc double shock has more bp than flare blitz)
A lot of these what if scenarios involve adding things to metagames but I think it would be interesting to see what gen 3 adv ou would look like if choice band wasn't introduced yet
I think that Blastoise would rise as a spinner that can better take the boosted Fire and Water attacks over the other spin options. Haze also helps deal with Suicune boosts.
That’s nice but the problem be how dose it threaten them out Vs water/rain what is it gonna do vs other then spin when the main abuses are water - grass/dragon - kingdra ludico And vs sun sure blast have 105 spdef but do you really want him coming in to be hit by a sun boosted fire blast from zard or tres and the following hp grass when your hydro will be weaker plus that gives zard sub set up time Over all I could see tentacrul being better the blast beicase better spdef and other move options sure sluge boom is physical but it gets sd and it’s speed is better at 100 and he also gets haze and gets giga drain so other bulky waters can’t win a 1v1 Tentacrul would be better in that role Like a set could be Surf/slugebomb Rs Haze Then toxic or giga
Its important to note that Sand would probably be much worse since Ttar doesnt get SPDef boost from it and it cant come in Politoed or even Ninetales HpGrass so easily and there is no Sand Rush/Sand Force, so Sand only applies chip dmg until it gets replaced. This means that Lax|Bliss|Cune would be better As for other options, i think Poliwrath could be amazing, even on Sun. You can go choice band Water Absorb or mixed lefties to check waters, Blissey, Ttar and Snorlax. Ludicolo can also be great on rain ofc, even with Rain Dish, with sub seed to annoy blissey. Quagsigre might be also pretty strong since it checks all setters (outside of hp grass) and can be pretty annoying with toxic. Pokemon like Gengar and Starmie will lose some of its defensive utility since they get oustpeed more easily, so i suspect that choice banders like Snorlax/Slaking might become decent options, specially without sand so dominant. Gengar can still adapt to a salac set to check some chloropyl users and swift swimmers with thunderbolt, firepunch and hp grass but it depends on speed benchmarks. Another great check for speed users is hp grass Gardevoir.
I would love to see such videos with gameplay from you and discord people or friends, where you play the title as a format. It would be so cool to watch :) great video have a nice day :D
I think there could be some nice theorymonning in regards to if certain HAs were available in Gens 3 or 4. Unironically I think Damp Swampert could have use cause blocking boom makes you an even better Metagross switch-in. Granted Metagross could start to run HP Grass but still. Bulky boomproof walls are also seemingly rare outside of MAYBE Dusclops but that doesn't get much use from what I've seen.
Toxic boost would be not easy to pull of at all but I can see it working if someone likes to spam Toxic and pays for it. What I think would be really interesting is Blaziken. It would be really powerful since it can invest more into both of its offenses. Other interesting cases would be Sandrush Sandslash and Xatu could potentially be as good as Espeon because of the Spikes and Earthquake immunity. And Moody Glalie would be terrefying as well, oh god
What if Knock Off and Rapid Spin were compatible on the same set in ADV? Since you mention Knock Off being very useful via Hariyama and Spikes being key in ADV, I'm curious to know if Pokemon like Armaldo would see a much higher usage in ADV, and other Pokemon in the same camp.
Surprised to not hear more about Ludicolo, a Pokemon who was already in UUBL with two rain abilities. Imagine getting 12% back a turn even before leech seed in rain.
Hidden abilities in general could be cool, so many mons would become more viable, Static Zapdos, Multiscale Dragonite, Moxie Salamence and Heracross, Sand Rush Sandslash, Magic Guard Alakazam, Sheer Force Nidos and Feraligatr, so many interesting interactions
I got top 32 in the emerald draft open (only 1 in every 8 teams had a Ttar), and the comment on snorlax resonates hard with that. You NEED exact counters or you FOLD. It's crazy
I think you forgot Ludicolo, which would be a very good Special Wall with Rain Dish, Leech Seed ans Ice Beam for Celebi. Anyways, what if Articuno had it's SpA and SpD swapped?
This would be very interesting. GF has changed the stats of the new mons to be more mini-maxed after gen5 and the old ev system benefits mons with more wide spread bst
I think this would be an interesting idea: What if every hail buff (aurora veil, Slush Rush, etc) was in Gen 4/5? Its kind of a shame that hail only got buffed AFTER the generations where weather mattered the most.
I was too busy wondering what kind of crack BluestEnergy was on in this replay, and how can get some for myself to listen to the commentary on first listen
Video idea: What if items such as the griseous orb or Arceus' plates functioned the same as the Gracidea, e.g. were key items that one applied to the corresponding Pokémons to change their form? How would e.g. DPP Ubers and other formats change if stuff like Giratina-O had a free item slot?
Video Suggestion: What if torkoal and pelliper got drought and drizzle at gen 5? Would drizzle as a whole get banned? Where will politoed and ninetales roam if torkoal and pelliper gain these abilities? will sun be viable rn if torkoal get drought
Omastar as a viable rain spikes setter? Or would you use Cloyster? Also, what's up with that starmie at the end? What kind of starmie doesn't have tbolt OR psychic? What's that starmie's set?
I thought about: What would happen if Garganacl was in gen 3? Not only is it IMMUNE to Toxic, WoW and Sand but Salt Cure forces so many switches. Sleeping non Sleep Talk Suicune, Skarmory, Metagross, Swampert, Jirachi or even stuff that doesnt like getting damaged. Duggy would be an answer but other than that this thing would be really annoying -Recover -Protect -Salt Cure -Toxic/Earthquake/Filler These would be better if you held mini tournaments in your discord server so you get games with these changes and can get more accurate results.
(day 2) What if focus sash didn't get consumed and would be able reactivate as long as the user was at full HP, just like sturdy? Would it make the item significantly better, barely change anything or something in-between?
@@tonyjones8706true haven't thought of that lol, sturdy shedinja with only one item. I feel like hazards will be enough to make it pretty bad for the most part, since baton pass is banned in those gens anyways.
oh what if base medicham had 100 base speed....... snorlax with slackoff......... joltion with grassknot...... entie getting earthpower\earthquake......
I've had thoughts about Mew in DPP. I know nothing about DPP OU, but I've heard it be compared to BW UU in power level. If Mew is legal in BW UU, why not DPP OU? Please explain for us new players :)
It mostly has to do with speed. 100 speed is just pretty good in bw, but absolutely insane in dpp. Plus with its stats and movepool it would basically be impossible to counter offensively or defensively thanks to dpp not having nearly as much power creep
@@sopsop7722 I'm still not so sure on that one, it's outrun by Latias, Gengar and Starmie, weak to Pursuit and gets worn down by sand and hazards. It also gets outrun by scarfers like Metagross, Ttar and the Rotoms. Plus, Jirachi is in the tier and is arguably more difficult to handle than Mew thanks to sand immunity and no pursuit weakness among other defensive benefits thanks to part steel typing
Droughtales and Drizzletoed in Gens 3 and 4 would mean that we’d see OU sun and rain teams. The weather wars would happen in OU the instant abilities are introduced.
Tbh I would love more weather in Gen 3. Constant sand plus spikes chip just makes less aggressive play styles so strong. Imo it would make offense stronger.
What if hydreigon was in gen 3? Crunch and dragon claw would be crazy stabs to throw around and a 98 speed thief and fire blast for coverage would get the jump on alot. Unsure if id backport dragon dance tho lol
My opinion on ninetales and politoad having drizzle and drought in gen 3 has finally arrived.
What if Pawnot (w/o Revival Blessing, so we don't have the Pokemon equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb during a Bronze Age conflict) was in Gen 4? It's basically the Electivire we've always wanted, right?
does it have double shock? I feel it would be really good but not that broken
@@Veinelsomaybe not double shock because burn up didn’t exist yet either but we could say wild charge is the flare blitz clone it should be. (I’m saying this because iirc double shock has more bp than flare blitz)
@@igeomagicianThey both have 120 BP. Double Shock is 10 BP lower than Burn Up
A lot of these what if scenarios involve adding things to metagames but I think it would be interesting to see what gen 3 adv ou would look like if choice band wasn't introduced yet
stall wars
I think that Blastoise would rise as a spinner that can better take the boosted Fire and Water attacks over the other spin options. Haze also helps deal with Suicune boosts.
That’s nice but the problem be how dose it threaten them out
Vs water/rain what is it gonna do vs other then spin when the main abuses are water - grass/dragon - kingdra ludico
And vs sun sure blast have 105 spdef but do you really want him coming in to be hit by a sun boosted fire blast from zard or tres and the following hp grass when your hydro will be weaker plus that gives zard sub set up time
Over all I could see tentacrul being better the blast beicase better spdef and other move options sure sluge boom is physical but it gets sd and it’s speed is better at 100 and he also gets haze and gets giga drain so other bulky waters can’t win a 1v1
Tentacrul would be better in that role
Like a set could be
Surf/slugebomb
Rs
Haze
Then toxic or giga
Its important to note that Sand would probably be much worse since Ttar doesnt get SPDef boost from it and it cant come in Politoed or even Ninetales HpGrass so easily and there is no Sand Rush/Sand Force, so Sand only applies chip dmg until it gets replaced. This means that Lax|Bliss|Cune would be better
As for other options, i think Poliwrath could be amazing, even on Sun. You can go choice band Water Absorb or mixed lefties to check waters, Blissey, Ttar and Snorlax. Ludicolo can also be great on rain ofc, even with Rain Dish, with sub seed to annoy blissey. Quagsigre might be also pretty strong since it checks all setters (outside of hp grass) and can be pretty annoying with toxic.
Pokemon like Gengar and Starmie will lose some of its defensive utility since they get oustpeed more easily, so i suspect that choice banders like Snorlax/Slaking might become decent options, specially without sand so dominant. Gengar can still adapt to a salac set to check some chloropyl users and swift swimmers with thunderbolt, firepunch and hp grass but it depends on speed benchmarks. Another great check for speed users is hp grass Gardevoir.
I would love to see such videos with gameplay from you and discord people or friends, where you play the title as a format. It would be so cool to watch :) great video have a nice day :D
If the other hidden abilities were in the game, imagine Magic Guard Alakazam, Multiscale Dragonite, Moxie Gyarados, Heracross, and Salamence, Rain Dish Tentacruel, Magic Bounce Espeon (with BP), Sheer Force Nidos and Tauros, Technician Breloom, Speed Boost Sharpedo, Regenerator Slow Twins and Tangela, Unaware Quagsire, Dry Skin Jynx, Harvest Eggy, Scrappy Swellow, Toxic Boost Zangoose, etc.
I think there could be some nice theorymonning in regards to if certain HAs were available in Gens 3 or 4.
Unironically I think Damp Swampert could have use cause blocking boom makes you an even better Metagross switch-in. Granted Metagross could start to run HP Grass but still. Bulky boomproof walls are also seemingly rare outside of MAYBE Dusclops but that doesn't get much use from what I've seen.
Toxic boost would be not easy to pull of at all but I can see it working if someone likes to spam Toxic and pays for it.
What I think would be really interesting is Blaziken. It would be really powerful since it can invest more into both of its offenses.
Other interesting cases would be Sandrush Sandslash and Xatu could potentially be as good as Espeon because of the Spikes and Earthquake immunity.
And Moody Glalie would be terrefying as well, oh god
@@Cobalt957moody would be banned I think that part is obvious
+ imagine if it has all the gen 5 pokemon
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilkdon't give pert more ideas,lol
What if Knock Off and Rapid Spin were compatible on the same set in ADV? Since you mention Knock Off being very useful via Hariyama and Spikes being key in ADV, I'm curious to know if Pokemon like Armaldo would see a much higher usage in ADV, and other Pokemon in the same camp.
What if rock types got the 50% SpDef boost from sand in gen 3
@@gnomefrompinkertonwhich would be a COMPLETELY different metagame
@@gnomefrompinkerton I didn't say you did, I was just adding onto what you were saying
@@gnomefrompinkerton all good homie. People be fighting on the internet for no reason sometimes haha
Surprised to not hear more about Ludicolo, a Pokemon who was already in UUBL with two rain abilities. Imagine getting 12% back a turn even before leech seed in rain.
Hidden abilities in general could be cool, so many mons would become more viable, Static Zapdos, Multiscale Dragonite, Moxie Salamence and Heracross, Sand Rush Sandslash, Magic Guard Alakazam, Sheer Force Nidos and Feraligatr, so many interesting interactions
I got top 32 in the emerald draft open (only 1 in every 8 teams had a Ttar), and the comment on snorlax resonates hard with that. You NEED exact counters or you FOLD. It's crazy
I think you forgot Ludicolo, which would be a very good Special Wall with Rain Dish, Leech Seed ans Ice Beam for Celebi.
Anyways, what if Articuno had it's SpA and SpD swapped?
What if the Gen 1-2 max EV system had never been changed?
Snorlax be eating
This would be very interesting. GF has changed the stats of the new mons to be more mini-maxed after gen5 and the old ev system benefits mons with more wide spread bst
I think this would be an interesting idea: What if every hail buff (aurora veil, Slush Rush, etc) was in Gen 4/5?
Its kind of a shame that hail only got buffed AFTER the generations where weather mattered the most.
I don’t know if I’ll ever test it again, it was very chaotic. Politoed’s stats being mediocre helped tho.
Swift swimmer goes insane mode
Been waiting for this one knew it was coming eventually
As somebody who loves rain teams, I would be trying to abuse the swift swimmers to the fullest and give them as much support as I can.
What if Taunt and Will o wisp existed in gen 2 OU. Would make Snorlax a fair pokemon?
I was too busy wondering what kind of crack BluestEnergy was on in this replay, and how can get some for myself to listen to the commentary on first listen
Video idea: What if items such as the griseous orb or Arceus' plates functioned the same as the Gracidea, e.g. were key items that one applied to the corresponding Pokémons to change their form? How would e.g. DPP Ubers and other formats change if stuff like Giratina-O had a free item slot?
If the Induced weathers were added in Gen 3
It gets nerfed by DPP
We could make easy content out of this if we do the same for generation 4
The video is very interesting but that was a heartbreaking crit on the first replay
Video Suggestion:
What if torkoal and pelliper got drought and drizzle at gen 5? Would drizzle as a whole get banned? Where will politoed and ninetales roam if torkoal and pelliper gain these abilities? will sun be viable rn if torkoal get drought
another thing is sun boosting moltres morning sun making moltres once again,
even more annoying
If Gen 3 gave non legendaries these abilities wouldn’t they give it to torkoal and pelipper?
Omastar as a viable rain spikes setter? Or would you use Cloyster?
Also, what's up with that starmie at the end? What kind of starmie doesn't have tbolt OR psychic? What's that starmie's set?
I really wish ninetails got drought in earlier gens so it could have more than just 1 gen of OU relevance
(and hardly one at that, if you look at it nowadays)
@@Eroil
Yeah after dugtrio was banned it’s not good at all and for most of them gen it wasn’t as popular as the other whether setters
I see Politoed kinda broken for removing the sand and making Kingdra and Ludicolo useful, but Ninetales with all the sun sweepers would also be broken
Gen 3 weather war would be insane
what if torkoal had drought in gen 3? does it become a cool fire type skarm?
I thought about: What would happen if Garganacl was in gen 3? Not only is it IMMUNE to Toxic, WoW and Sand but Salt Cure forces so many switches.
Sleeping non Sleep Talk Suicune, Skarmory, Metagross, Swampert, Jirachi or even stuff that doesnt like getting damaged.
Duggy would be an answer but other than that this thing would be really annoying
-Recover
-Protect
-Salt Cure
-Toxic/Earthquake/Filler
These would be better if you held mini tournaments in your discord server so you get games with these changes and can get more accurate results.
what if perma weather in gen 6 and later? wanna see mega pert tearing up ubers
(day 2) What if focus sash didn't get consumed and would be able reactivate as long as the user was at full HP, just like sturdy? Would it make the item significantly better, barely change anything or something in-between?
Shedninja would be broken because it's always at 1hp and get focus stash never got consumed it eould be broken and really only die to harzards
@@tonyjones8706true haven't thought of that lol, sturdy shedinja with only one item. I feel like hazards will be enough to make it pretty bad for the most part, since baton pass is banned in those gens anyways.
What if DPP had the Gen 6+ version of Defog?
Had a dumb thought the other day, what if gen 1 wrap existed with leftovers
Would love to see what if Steel and Dark were never introduced
this leads kinda well into another video topic: why is dug not banned? what would happen if it was?
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Do we get a gen 4 version for this video?
stay tuned
Gen 3 would be worse with Drizzle and Drought than Gen 5 would ever be
Fairy types in ADV when 👀
What if slaking was in gen 1 with truant still working? Would it be good because it’s an insane normal type in gen 1 or is truant just that bad?
The fact that protect doesn't exist, that it has boltbeam + amnesia
What if ttar wasn't in adv ou (it loses sandstream or dies or smth)
4:57 I'm so mad
What if Volbeat and Illumise had Prankster in Gen 3?
I think I have an interesting one: What if Pelipper and Torkoal were Gen 5's weather setters, instead of Politoed and Ninetales?
Let’s go charizard gets brought up again
Solar power go burr
What would a natureless ADV OU look like?
hohen starters wit hidden ability's in 4th gen imagine swampert with damp stopping boom and speed boost blaziken being a alternative to ape
Charizard somehow gets used in Ubers with solar power
Torkoal pelipper?
oh what if base medicham had 100 base speed....... snorlax with slackoff......... joltion with grassknot...... entie getting earthpower\earthquake......
I've had thoughts about Mew in DPP. I know nothing about DPP OU, but I've heard it be compared to BW UU in power level. If Mew is legal in BW UU, why not DPP OU? Please explain for us new players :)
It mostly has to do with speed. 100 speed is just pretty good in bw, but absolutely insane in dpp. Plus with its stats and movepool it would basically be impossible to counter offensively or defensively thanks to dpp not having nearly as much power creep
@@sopsop7722 I'm still not so sure on that one, it's outrun by Latias, Gengar and Starmie, weak to Pursuit and gets worn down by sand and hazards. It also gets outrun by scarfers like Metagross, Ttar and the Rotoms. Plus, Jirachi is in the tier and is arguably more difficult to handle than Mew thanks to sand immunity and no pursuit weakness among other defensive benefits thanks to part steel typing
Kabutops would not be good too ?
cloro ban be prepared
Would Z-Moves be that good in adv?
What if let’s go was ability minus items!?!
Kyogre and Groudon should be OU legal in gen 3 - but they must be at level 1!
These replays were heinous I couldn't focus on what you were saying
Droughtales and Drizzletoed in Gens 3 and 4 would mean that we’d see OU sun and rain teams. The weather wars would happen in OU the instant abilities are introduced.
oh u don’t say
Tbh I would love more weather in Gen 3.
Constant sand plus spikes chip just makes less aggressive play styles so strong.
Imo it would make offense stronger.
not fun is the answer boom 20 minutes saved
Yeah, it rained today, unfortunately for Lollapalooza.
What if hydreigon was in gen 3? Crunch and dragon claw would be crazy stabs to throw around and a 98 speed thief and fire blast for coverage would get the jump on alot. Unsure if id backport dragon dance tho lol