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- Cheap or expensive? Which is better? The cheaper IWISS IWS-2820M crimper or the defacto-standard for good crimps, the Engineer PA-09?
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Your videos are always both useful AND interesting. I'm adding the new champion crimper to my holiday wish list today!
Thank you!
This helped me a TON! Thanks for this
I have just bought an IWISS IWS Crimper before I found this video. Nice to see that I got the right one.
Enjoy it!
This may be my new favorite hobbyist channel. I'm looking for a good crimping tool and I think I've found it!
Welcome aboard the channel!
Thanks Andreas, I just bought the PA-09 after watching your earlier video. Never mind, at least it will be far better that the chinese ones I have already that give me the same problems you showed. Thanks for your time in putting this together and sharing.
The PA-09 is ok. Just more expensive...
WOW I knew it was good but didn't expect it to be better than the engineer, I'm very glad to see that I made the right choice 😁 I used the 1.0 opening for df13 connectors, it is a bit of a hassle to position the very small metal part in the crimper but the results are great. Thank you for this comparison.
You are welcome!
Yeah.. now i can make my decision.. and finaly will crimp perfect JST connectors! Thx Andreas!
You are welcome!
Always interesting to know and find out about tools and equipment !
:-)
Another really great video - thank you!! I thought it was either my technique or the cheap Aliexpress crimps that was causing me troubles. Especially the extra steps needed to straighten the insulation grip before crimping and then straighten the whole crimp afterwards. I just got my IWISS tool and now perfect crimps every time! The Engineer tool is better made and will probably last longer, maybe it crimps high quality parts better too. But for now, the IWISS wins for me hands down.
Agreed
Thank you very much for your reply to my comment on your Video #39 I did watch this video before I ordered new crimpers and did order the IWISS model IWS-2820M. I have used them only twice and both crimps are very good and they are MUCH easier to use than anything I have tried before. I am a 74 year old retired engineer and my eyesight is not as good as when I was much younger, but I have an Optivisor Headband magnifier that works well for me.
Glad I could help. These magnification glasses are very useful, indeed.
Thanks for sharing this interesting test/review
Thanks for sharing 👍😀
You helped me choose the right tool for me. Big thanks! :)
You are welcome!
@@AndreasSpiess
And I got the tools. I bought IWS 2820 and FS 0626 as a set. For $ 30 I have full satisfaction. Both tools work great. Thanks again to you.
Thanks for the videos (and your previous one too)
Glad you like them!
Good review Mr. Spiess. JST offers an excellent range of products. Molex connectors are also eligible and a good option for beginners.
You are right!
Iwiss ordered, thank you! Have had the Engineer in my 'save for later' basket for months, luckily I held off buying.
:-)
Thanks for the IWISS tip ! Works perfect !
Glad it helped!
Thank you for the vídeo you sent me. This helped me buying The right too. I would like to sse another vídeos like that.
Thank you for your feedback!
i'm sitting here holding the iwiss in my hand, i bought them solely because of your video and i am very happy with them, they are great, originally i was planning to buy those crappy cheap ones you showed in previous crimping video but after seeing it i'm glad i didn't
Glad my video was helpful. Thank you for your feedback!
I like my SN-02BM still. I have both versions now. The first pliers I ordered have 2 press fit pins in each die, along with a screw. This is specifically the SN-02BM. The "M" is the one with press fit pins.
I have a second set of SN-Series pliers that have interchangeable dies. These only have a screw holding the die in place, no press fit pins. I have the SN-02, SN-28B, and SN-48B dies. The SN-02 is similar to these Iwiss pliers. It has a bunch of different sizes and bridges the SN-02B and SN-28B with extra sizes on a long extended die. The die alignment with the tiny crimp sizes of the SN-02 without the press fit pins is bad.
I can do the JST 2.0/2.5 crimps all day without any issues using the SN-02BM. The 28B and 48B dies work well for 2.8-6.3mm terminals using the pliers with replaceable dies. I wouldn't recommend the SN-02 in any variety other than the pinned version. It sucks that you won't be able to change dies with it, but it works well.
-Jake
Thank you for sharing your experience!
This video was very useful for me. I bought a terminal crimp a long time ago from Jameco, but it is not useful for small terminals. Here (Bolivia) this tools are almost unknown. Thank you for the information.
Glad the video was helpful!
How interesting, not the result is expected and I have a few I Iwiss crimpers. I mainly use the Iwiss sn01 (2 bays not 3,) for jst and molex rather than the 28b that most others use and it works beautifully, but does occasionally dog ear the cables plastic part. I also have their anderson power pole crimper and a couple of others, but I never expected them to outperform the Japanese engineer pa09. Kudos where it's due I guess, well done Iwiss and thanks for all your good work in these videos actually testing the tools head to head.
I also was astonished. This was the reason for that video. For many viewers, the Engineer was quite expensive...
Thanks for the comparison.
I already own a PA-09 but like you found it often bent the crimp while doing JST YL series crimps, Not a deal breaker but defo a time waster!
So I will buy a Iwiss and see how I get on with that :)
I hardly crimp JST connectors. So I have no experience.
Thank you so much for your efforts.
My pleasure!
thank you for the review
You are welcome!
Excellent Video 🙏🏼
Thank you!
I'm using the IWISS since a few months and so far i'm very happy with it. The smaller openings are very useful for JST GH - that's at least where i used them for.
Thank you for this video - now i've learned that 1.3 is enough to crimp the end of dupont cables :) I've always used 1.6 for the end and then had to compress the ears it created. 1.3 works so much better.
Yes. 1.3 should be ok.
I often pre-crimp using 1.6 or even 1.9 opening then crimp down with 1.3. Please, DO note that Dupont cable crimps must "Embrace" (wrap around) the wire, not dig into it. Therefore a correct dupont wire crimper would be U-shaped and not W
mattmillman has an excellent article
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@Albert Gannon Instablaster ;)
Thank you Mr. Swiss Accent. Great comparison.
Thank you!
I am looking forward to buy the cheaper one. thanks fot this test, it saved me 20$ !!
:-)
Sorry, I already bought the Engineer PA-09 after the previous video... 😁
You are still ok, I think. The last video was one of my first. So it deserved an update ;-)
I did the same. Don't like that its bending connectors as also seen in the video
@@AndreasSpiess Consider adding an overlay to the old video with a link to the new one
Thank you for your pertinent comments. IWISS is committed to manufacturing electrical wire tools and piping tools. We'll keep on making reliable and cost-effective tools.
You are welcome. Just ordered another one to see if it has the same quality (SN-2549)
Its nice to see the Vendor/Mfg comment on this...the only thing that I spotted was the spring on the IWISS looked a bit irregular
Thanks. Ordered the Iwiss
I hope you will like it!
I have a crimper from Radio Shack (US) that I bought over a decade ago for making DB style connectors. It does both crimps in 1 action and works w/ Dupont terminals quite well. I'm surprised these modern "tools" don't.
Radio Shack had good products (I had a TRS-80)
It appears that this is marketed under numerous different brand names but always with the same model number. I look on Amazon UK and the first three listings were different brands, none of which was IWISS. They all used the same photograph and were clearly identical. Fortunately I haven’t yet bought the PA-09 so I’m about to order one of these in a minute. Thank you for the useful video.
You are welcome! Things are getting complicated these days with all the "branding"...
Ganz herzlichen Dank für die geflickte Batteriehalterung. Der CBX ist wieder im Betrieb.
Super! Hatte ich schon vergessen...
Thanks, very helpful
You're welcome!
I have been crimping 1.25mm connectors (shelly2.5 and some CC2530 clone) using the 1.0mm on my PA-09. It works, but I need finer gauge wire :)
And good eyes ;-)
Thank You Very Much! ❤
You're welcome!
Hm... Your channel starts to get expansive ;P after the wirestripper video i went and bought a weidmüller stripax (not featured in your video but inspired)... Now for some crimping 🤔 great video btw ;)
This time the cheap one won!
@@AndreasSpiess hehe yea, this time ;)
You can use the flat bit close to the pivot to squeeze the terminals in before crimping if you need to.
Good idea. Thanks!
I would have expected a pull test with a force meter, to see which is actually better. And possibly also a resistance measurement.
When I do a pull rudimentary test at home, the terminal is clamped into a vise and I pull until the wire breaks. If the wire pulls out of the crimp it is a fail. If instead the strands of wire break instead, it is a pass.
Oh great, I did this a few days ago. #282 video, missed it. The IWISS works but looking at the teeth my 1.6 is cleanly cut but others bend the material unevenly. As much work as it is, it sucks having do overs from cheap tools. the cheap Chinese pins don't help either.
Hi Andreas
Thank you for another fine video.
Where do you buy the silicon wire rolls showed in the video ?
Thanks Peter
They are widely available on aliexpress search for "silicone wire kit"
Andreas has a video we're he compared silicone wires... I think it was in a mailbag video.. Try to search and find it
I was tired of those cheap crimpers(your previous video) and few others.
So I decided not to cheap out this time, found PA-09 on amazon, but in the other recommendations/frequently viewed there were those ones from IWISS, checked comments and people say that those do as good as PA-09 but are much cheaper so better.
But I ignored it, didn't want to risk that I get another useless crimper, purchased PA-09.
Though now I regret this decision a bit, I also have this problem where entire crimp insert is being bent.
Also I expected much better tolerances on sides of those jaws, can clearly see gaps when closed.
Thank you for sharing. The other video was already quite old and the IWISS were not around then.
if you turn the connector upside down in the crimper and gently squeeze it the angled bottom of the channel will bend the tabs in slightly so you don't have to use the end of the tool.
Thank you for the tip!
You are right, I have been trying to crimp JST-SH with no success. Guess I have to stick with 2 to 2.54mm pitch terminals!
I buy the smaller ones pre-crimped with wires ;-)
You're previous video about Engineer made me buy this one, months ago ;)
I guess I've read between the lines... :)
I hope you are happy with the Engineer. I use it nearly every day...
@@AndreasSpiess my bad, poor explanation from me. Your review on Engineer made me buy the IWISS (similar in type) and it serves me well. Happy to see you like it too and that it compares well , considering the price. Thanks.
Just saved me £30, had a the PA09 in my basket.... thank you kind sir!
You are welcome!
@@AndreasSpiess Ironically I ended up returning the iCrimp after trying the Engineer PA-24 crimpers. Not only is the wire crimp better but the rounded cable jaw crimp is perfect and wraps the cable rather than crushing it. Making DuPont connectors is 3x faster with it vs the iCrimp (with my crappy eyesight too)
There is the Iwiss IWS-3220M that seems interesting: reasonably priced, it has a ratcheting mechanism *and* parallel jaws
Looks good. But you have to try. You do not see it on a photo
Nice item
:-)
I wonder if the other SN-28Bs are the same as the one branded IWISS?
Wow, I never would have expected that.
That is why testing sometimes is good ;-)
Where did you get the spring-loaded contacts @7:10 from? I think some of my battery resistance testing tools use these ones and maybe I can get spare ones...
pogo pin @ ebay
Well Done. Apparently we buy exactly the same stuff at the same time on Ali. 👌
:-)
Danke für den Vergleich.
Ich habe mir das Teil und die große Schwester davon geordert. Werde aber vermutlich nicht so schnell testen können.
Wenn ich es mal benutzt habe teile ich dir meine Ergebnisse mit ;-)
Danke!
Hello, I just bought the Engineer PAD-11. It's more expensive, but has interchangeable jaws (~ 25 Euro / jaw). I just used it to crimp JST-ZH (1.5 mm pitch) for a Sensirion SPS30 PM sensor (particulate matter). After a couple of tries and failures I now get 100% succes rate with stranded 28 AWG wire. My first attempts were with ~ 26 AWG, but the housing for the crimps seems to struggle with the larger wire diameter (crimpts were successful, but not as neat as with 28 AWG). Next I will try a JST-SH which is 1 mm pitch for a QWIIC to SPS30 JST-ZH connection. That's going to be more challenging, but the PAD-11 should be able to do it.
Great channel BTW!!
Yves
You are a brave man! I decided to buy ready made JST connectors for the smaller sizes ;-)
how is the Engineer PAD-11?
does it crimp JST-GH 1.25mm and JST-SH 1.00mm?
I had success with the JST-SH 1mm (2 tries to get a working result) using the PAd-11.
@@yvesvanderhaeghen196 great. do you use Molex PicoBlade too?
No gold today Andreas, but it was snowing only 200 km away. Not normal here in Australia.
But you have at least winter now. Would have been worse in summer...
Another inspiring video. Just spent 20€. Thank you 👍
You are welcome!
I can’t compare Chinese vs more expensive for the same purpose but I have three different crimping tools. One for Ethernet and telephone cables, one for ferrules. These are both genuine knipex crimpers. The third one is for Anderson power pole connectors. This is a cheap no-name brand from China. There’s a huge difference in build quality
Hello, Thanks for the interesting video.
Do you have any suggestion for a tool to crimp open barrels terminals with 12AWG (4mm²) cables ?
No. I do not use such connectors :-(
hello i want to ask for your advice for crimping tools that are good and easy to use. do you think this type is iwiss iws-2820 or this is IWISS IWS-3220M
Both are ok.
Hi! Thanks for your videos. Can you recommend silicon wires like ones in this video?
I left a link in the video description (UA-cam does not like links in comments)
0.7 and 1.0 mm crimping is needed for any connector where the pin spacing is 1.25 mm. For example the molex clickmate series.
I do not do these jobs manually. I buy them ready-made. So I do not know.
Looking at the spring and its mounting lugs, I wonder how long it will be until you need to replace this on the IWISS.
I would not use such tools in a high series environment...
Wow, I didn't expect one of my comments to be featured in a video!
You see, I read the comments;-)
@@AndreasSpiess I have used the IWISS crimp you featured in this video for JST ZH and standard servo/"Dupont" crimps and it has worked well. the ZH connectors used the smaller sizes. They are tiny! Thanks for reading. :)
Hello, could you please tell me which kind of crimpers is suitable for the JST SYP plug with thin wires (26-30AWG)? Thanks in advance!
I do not know because I do not use such plugs :-(
Are crimpers interchangable regardless of crimp contact? According to jst they sell different crimpers according to each different contact terminal
No, they are not. This video is mainly for the "Dupont" cables used by most Makers.
Would the pa-24 be better to get than the pa-09 with the DuPont crimps added?
Do you ever need the larger sizes where it would be beneficial to get the PA-20 or PA-21?
If so would the PA-20 or the PA-21 be used most?
I do not know these products. So I do not know :-(
Great video. Can you please make a video about the basics and how to get started with circuitpython.
We will see how I will cover MicroPython in the future...
Someone, please give this man an award. Thanks, Andreas, I am also 3D printing my little connector boxes, great to see your review and examples!
Glad it was helpful!
Where did you get your assortment of connectors, etc. at t=128? Is this an assortment you put together yourself, or did you buy the whole thing at once?
I made it myself
Thank for testing and evaluating of these crimpers:-). After watching your video #39 I was already tending to buy the nice PA-09. But apart from the long parcel trip from Japan, the IWISS IWS-2820M made me curious, too.
Now I have discovered a similar version: IWISS SN-28B. Has anyone tested this tool yet? And is it like the chinese crimper in video #39 - but only better?
The IWISS SN-28B are also very good. I have one here now.
@@AndreasSpiess Thanks for your hint! Just today this crimper was in the mailbox / in my hands. Not only does the "mechanical noise" sound good, the crimping also worked very well after the third attempt. Now it's time to make special adapter cables:-).
Hi Andreas- Can you make a circuit for failover power supply. 1Input form 12V adapter, 2nd input form 12v battery. when the 1st input is not there then it will switch to 2nd input. I know its easy to make it with a single 8pin relay. But the problem comes at switching time. All the devices rebooted due to switching time.
Maybe a capacitor helps to provide power during the switching?
Thanks for this video, I managed to make my first crimp job with the Iwiss crimper.
Would you have a link for your silicone wires?
s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_dZlfdJQ
@@AndreasSpiess thanks a lot Andreas, much appreciated. 🙏
Actually I use PA-20 and use the size 2.0 for crimping the plastic part of the Dupont cables. It always works fine for me.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Thank you for some great videos. I have one question regarding the dupont connectors - is there a good place to buy the housings (in europe) if I want to try it out myself? There seems to be a lot of "copy-cats" out there and there doesn't seem to be an original version. Is this true?
I never had "original" ones, so I do not know.
@@AndreasSpiess Thanks anyway!
Thanks for video. Just wondering how do we get matched male and female JST connectors with right pins. I ordered 2-3 times from RS , mouser, farnell etc... every time a mismatch:(.
Can you if possible make a video on these JST connectors- selections, suppliers, matching with existing TTGO, Lolin etc development boards having such connectors. Sounds simple, but is eating my brain since ages :(
I have an assortment an use the "try and error" method ;-)
They are both good. But, every single one crimp "ears" INTO insulation. Which is not always good. Specially on those "Dupont" connectors. That's why I ordedred Hozan P-707. You should check them out too.
Also, if you are not interested into that feature, take peek on IWS-3220M.
@Undefined Lastname
Did you watch the video?
Also, I know that. Thats why I want to try that Hozan crimper.
Is it better to use this "manual" crimper instead of one with ratched? Considering you have to crimp twice for every connector.
If you have to crimp all day?
Maybe I find once a single path crimper which works...
I was wondering that too...
Then 1.9 + 2.3 is for Molex SPOX (3.96mm pitch), which is pretty common with power supplies. That‘s, why I have a PA-20, too.
Aha. I never used them so far. Thank you for the update!
The isolation crimp is imho not so great (although it is the recommended crimp size from the manufacturer), left and right of the base there are cuts. When I press too much, it is even cut off. I might try the IWISS, too, because I want to see, if it performs better.
Gruezi Andreas, do you buy pre-crimped cables in Switzerland? I cannot spot a seller here.
There are a few shops in the internet. Search for Arduino or for raspberry pi. I buy my Suff in China
Hi there, which tool do you use to remove the cable isolation as shown at 3:54 in the video?
This one is a Knippex. But I made a whole video where I compared different strippers.
I had the same issue with bending, in my experience its a question of force applied to the tool. With less force I noticed a secure bonding and the insert wont be bend. Don’t know if this helps anyone but it may be worth a try…
Thank you for sharing your experience!
I always made my jst connectors with needlenose pliers and have never any problem
If you are happy, ok...
The 1.0 or 1.2 is good for Hirose df13 or JST GH connectors. I gues a lot oft connectors with a pitch oft 1.25 vor smaller will usw these. But be aware, crimping these small connectors is a pain in the ass.
That is what I thought. Too much for my old eyes...
Ordered
:-)
I would like to make a Molex mx150 connector for my motorcycle and have hit a dead end with the type of crimper! My question is are mostly all the open barrel type connector very similar? As the recommended molex connector from molex is extremely expensive! Thank you
Crimpers are very different. Best is if you find videos where they show exactly the connector you want. There you see, which crimper they recommend.
@@AndreasSpiess i have been searching i have even been looking at the molex data sheets and the recommendation is the molex branded crimper. I will continue my searcg
Nochmals vielen Dank für die Hilfe, der CPX ist schon wieder im Einsatz.
Bitte, gern geschehen!
2:25: I just ran into an example of needing a larger crimp than the 1.9 (though not sure if the 2.2 on the IWISS is exactly correct for this case): JST VH connector crimps, e.g. for a motor driver board (like the 3.96mm pitch VH pins on the left side of board here ua-cam.com/video/TaCukBg4Hj8/v-deo.html). The Engineer PA-09 documentation shows it's compatible with PH/ZH/NH/EH and you need the next bigger crimper, the Engineer PA-20 (adds 2.0 and 2.3 crimp slots), for VH.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Any idea why the IWS-2820M seems impossible to get in Europe? Looks like everyone is buying the IWISS SN-28B instead. But I'm not sure about that one since it's again with the ratcheting mechanism and crimping both plastic and copper simultaneously... But the people on amazon.de seem to be happy.
the IWISS SN-28B is ok in my opinion. I tried it once and it worked.
Would you recommend the manual crimpers over the ratcheting ones? And why? I'd really want to know your option.
I have no preference. If you find a good one with a ratchet ii is probably a little faster. But it is not easy to find a good one if I believe the comments in my earlier video.
@@AndreasSpiess I heard somebody say that the ratcheting crimpers are harder to work with when it comes to small connectors. Since the dies are big, small pins are difficult to keep still there compared to manual crimpers. I guess I'll go with the manual crimpers.
@@AndreasSpiess I also want to add that I found "quality crimpers" (for example Nipex) that can easily cost over $200 dollars, way too much for my budget and probably for the regular viewer too.
I made the mistake of trying to save a few bucks buying the SN-28B. It's pretty much impossible to produce a good crimp with that thing, even after doing hundreds of crimps on various projects over the years. I'll definitely be replacing it with an IWISS for the next project that requires crimping.
This was the reason for my first crimper video...
What i have noticed is that all IWISS tools seem to have tighter matching dies installed on them (visible in this video as well) and the machining seems to have less margin.
after getting frustrated with my weierli sn-28b (nearly throwing it out the window.) I bought both SN-01BM and the SN-28B and they both work amazing.
Maybe do a comparison between budget SN28 crimper(s), even though the PA-09/IWS 2820M are workhorses.
I do like the "squeeze once, and done" deal with the 01BM and 28B by IWISS,
and for that price...
No they are NOT as good as the official crimpers, but close enough to be used and rely on.
Maybe i'm just lucky, maybe there's something to this brand.
Do be careful with fake IWISS tools, the SN ones with NON-Machined crimping dies are FAKE and absolute sub par quality.
I ordered two more IWISS crimpers. We will see if their SN-28B is better than the one I had from Aliexpress...
And now the score is... to to to to to! :)
I use the 1.0 connectors for modding computer keyboard and mouse cables
So you are very experienced!
Could you do a video for sidecutters please? I'm buying 3-4 of them each year and I want to invest into a proper one.
Engineer also make side cutters if you want to stick with this brand. Otherwise Knipex are good quality.
I love my C.K. 3773DEF-115 more than Knipex 77 22 115. It's tip is shaped much nicer!
Just a caution that your Amazon link now points to the 2412 crimper and not the 2820. The 2412 has larger dies (2.2 - 3.4) so will not crimp DuPont well. The 2820M is not available on Amazon at the time I wrote this. Worse, the first and main picture is a 2820 but the remaining pictures, title, description, and the model number are for the 2412 so buyer beware.
Thank you. I changed the link.
Where can I buy the box of JST connectors from the video?
I usually get my stuff from AliExpress. But sometimes I created my own assortments.
@@AndreasSpiess thanks - I also collected quite a large assortment of various JST cables (mostly ebay/aliexpress) but wanted to know if a box/kit containing various sizes in a single package is available anywhere. Perhaps it is and I missed it...
For smaller jobs like MQS 0,2 to 0,5 I purchased a Rennsteig #616 682 3, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with any other tools ou can find for these small connectors. There's no secret, quality tools make a hell of a difference. I will note that this crimper costs over 200 euros (and it's not the most expensive around), so it's not on everyone's priority list !!
I find that providing you can afford it, most of those tools will stay with you for years in not a lifetime... and you purchase and change the dies according to the job.
- the guy with the Swiss French accent ;)
I googled your choice. I bought a used Harting FC2 which is similar to yours. But for makers a little expensive. Most makers should be ok with one of those presented in the video, I think.
what wire stripper do you use ?
I made a video about it. I use a Knippex and a Strapax. They are not cheap, though.
Olá onde posso encontrar o Alicate Engenner
There is a link in the video description.