2001 dawn of man and space station docking with Alex North
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- 2001 dawn of man and space station docking sequence with Alex North's rejected film score.
These seems seem to have been heavily edited since North scored them, so I took some of the music from Dragonslayer.
Nothing wrong with this music by itself, but it places the movie very firmly in the late 1960s. Kubrick's decision to use the classics gave the movie a timeless majesty.
I agree, but poor Alex didn't learn that his soundtrack was replaced unil the movie premiere. In the cinema. Watching the movie. Kubrick is my fav movie director, but man, that's a d🦄k move. Poor Alex...
I LOVE the space station docking music, it sounds so "heavenly"!
Around the 6:00 mark, it really starts to sound like the music he composed for 1971's *Willard*
Very interesting choices. It's almost like seeing it again for the first time...... Well I guess it is the first time seeing like this.
I liked the Alex North rejected film score. It only sounds strange because we are use to hearing the original music on 2001 soundtrack. It would be the same if George Lucas had chosen to use an electronic musical score for Star Wars. That would be strange to listen to while watching the movie.
Mike Landrau I'm sorry, but no, John Williams music for Star Wars has a personality that this one doesn't have. It's iconic and original.
Alex North's music for 2001 is one of the typical incidental Hollywood scores of that time and i'm quite sure that it would have made of the movie a tremendous flop, because its a common score and 2001 is not a common film. Kubrick was very smart in not underestimate the power of music in films and one of the first in realize that some films must not have a composer. Just imagine Barry Lyndon with a original score....
I would agree to a point. In a movie as just a movie there is little else needed from music...but a cinamatic event as art, yes there should be more than just melody. Thank you for the stimulating conversation. :D
Dawn of Man was cued up better than when I tried it. Good work!
Despite this music was not used It remains Great Soundtrack.
Massimo Primiero Nice music but not suited for this movie, it sets the wrong mood.
I think this score works just fine, it's a good score, but it's a product of it's era, and that's where the real problem is. 2001 is a movie that transcends time and space; literally, so you need a score that is equally universal. The final product is truly timeless, which is why the movie still holds up today, and isn't just cast aside as an old movie.
I don't think that the music for the dawn of man fits with the scene or is even good (although I did like Alex North's score for Spartacus) but am I the only one who thinks that the music for the docking sequence is better than the blue danube? The only reason that so many people think that the blue danube works better is because they can't imagine 2001 another way. If Kubrick had used North's music people wouldn't be complaining and saying that he should have used classical music.
Some pleasing moments to the ear in this work. Just another reminder how much of a perfectionist Kubrick was that he chose to go a different route.
4:57 This version was from the re-recorded one adapted and performed by North's protege, Jerry Goldsmith. I have to say, the OG score is fantastic, even though the classics are better.
I think the problem with the score is not that it's bad but the fact that to me 2001 has a timeless feel to it with the use of classical music but this score makes the movie feel very 60s
impossible not to feel Stendhal syndrome in front of those images, and Alex North music fits well with its grandeur.
This sequence should have been devoid of music as it was in the finished film.
+jslasher Bullshit
I like this rejected score by Alex North. They should have released it with the Bluray version so that we could compare the difference with the classical music and other choral scores instead. Kubrick was a very arrogant and demanding director. I would have not used any music at all for the whole movie except for the beginning and end titles.
I think the music plays extremely important role to the concepts behind this film. Not saying North's score ain't good enough, but i'm sure if you watch the same extract from the original film, you can really tell the difference. I think Kubrick made a right decision not to use North's score.
I was with it until the jump to the future, at which point it started sounding like 70s lounge music.
+ZylonBane That '"Lounge Music" you refer to, is most relaxing to listen to, stress-free...
This must be the Goldsmith conducted recording with the Scottish National Orchestra. Apparently (from what I've read and I could of course be wrong, or it could be a myth) Alex North only found out his score wasn't being used at the premiere itself. I think that using a score that tries to unify the film in terms of how the audience responds to it doesn't work (a score that is part of the storytelling). Kubrick's use of music is very emotional but it also creates greater distance between the film and the audience and I like that. It's part of the feeling that we are observing the film from an unchanging objective point of greater perspective and we are not drawn into the film or engage with the characters' level.
No music is necessary in this scene until the arm comes down...and this music makes you think of the room it was recorded in. Fanfare this music doesn't need...but notice the organ hum at 1:18, to relate it to Zarathustra...
Most of you should realize that North was scoring a different version of this movie, a near-rough cut, to be exact, and naturally had North stayed around the score would have been fine-tuned to the final edits. Some of this is kind of rough (the cadences in the iconic scene with the ape and the bones almost match Strauss's fanfare from Zarathustra, but needed tightening), but while I understand that what we're hearing may have possibly dated the film, everyone here also must remember that MGM wanted an original underscore and Kubrick basically gave the studio the bird by hiring North while at the same time had little to no intention of using his score even if he kept the edits that North scored. This was a travesty and it crushed North big time.
@mornnb Yes, but the harmonies are pure North. Extended chords derived from jazz. Could almost be the introduction or interlude of a 50s or early 60s pop song.
You're right..in parts it sounds a lot like John Williams. And in my opinion its just too noisy for the scenes..it characterizes 2001, that it has a mysterious mood..silence is an important tool for Kubricks piece.
It does sound like Planet of the Apes, but you do have to wonder how we would be reacting if Kubrick had used North's score. I kind of like it because it is different, so it is new. But artistically it sounds diravitave of the 60's and early 70's stock music. Since the score has come out I have heard parts of North's score in Dragonslayer among others.
Listen to Barry's score on the DVD of Disney's THE BLACK HOLE in 1979, and you'll see what I mean. I saw 2001 in 1968 in its road show CINERAMA glory in Manhattan. It transformed me, as the Apes and Dave Bowman were transformed at the end of the movie. I knew what I wanted to do with my life. And I succeeded!
The only original music score is by Alex North. And I feel it fits perfectly the movie, but we are too used to the classical tracks.
If Kubrick had decided to use North's score, it would be funny to read comments how can one dare use Strauss' music instead. :-)
I totally agree. Ron Goodwin would have been a n excellent choice to score 2001, or Jerry Goldsmith, or living legend John Williams.
Yup. Kubrick was a real genius. North's score, like popular-music of today, is instantly forgettable. Just my humble opinion, for what its worth.
+Russell Anderson Ooh yeah a genius for ripping off an ancient piece of music. Yeah what a visionary he was!!!
Compare John Williams Music for Star Wars, Close Encounters, and Raiders of the Lost Ark, and SUPERMAN, and compare it to Barry's score for THE BLACK HOLE (Buena Vista, 1979). Other side of the coin, Barry's score for GOLDFINGER, THUNDERBALL, YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, and especially ON HER MAJESTY's SECRET SERVICE (1969) were phenomenal and outstanding. Il LOVE everything Jerry Goldsmith has ever done, with the possible exception of STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE (1979).
Whoa...I agree with everything up until the comment about John Barry...While I do agree that Barry's "signature" seems to border on derivative, it is more "thematic" than anything North created.
In my humble opinion.
Alex North sounds like all the music from all the other sci-fi flicks of the 1960s. Best Sci Fi scores were Louis abd Bebe Barron (FORBIDDEN PLANET), Leonard Rosenman (FANTASTIC VOYAGE-1966), and the late Jerry Goldsmith (PLANET OF THE APES-1968). This music is as forgettable and regrettable as the John Barry's score for THE BLACK HOLE(1979).
I disagree. Lalo Schifrin usally rocks, but Leonard Rosenman's score for FANTASTIC VOYAGE was some of the bes scoring I've ever heard, along with Jerry Goldsmith's groundbreaking scores for PLANET OF THE APES, and the season II opener of VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA ("Jonah and the Whale"). Rosenman also did avery nice score for BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. There is not much that is memorable about this score, in my humble opinion. Ron Goodwin would have been an excellent choice for 2001.
Funny thing is, that had it been in the original movie, it would have become part of popular culture, and as such, would have been defended by fans rather strongly!
+ottokern1001 It wouldn't have aged as well without the soundtrack kubrick ultimately went with IMO, but i see your point!
We would have hated it from the start and would still hate it today.
LOL, I sincerely doubt it! The part during the space-station sequence sounds like old elevator music now.
However, it would never have even been in the original movie, because as talented a composer as North was, this music was entirely inappropriate for 2001 and Kubrick knew it instantly.
+ClaylandStudios What a load of old crap!! The music is in exactly the same style as the music that ended up being used, which proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Para empezar, la música que suena no es la que North compuso para esta escena. Esto es el Main Title, e iba a ser empleado en los títulos de crédito. Antes de criticar una absoluta obra maestra como es la banda sonora de North, por lo menos infórmate un poco.
I have since listened to the Planet of the Apes soundtrack and i recant my former view about it sounding similar to that peice...It sounds nothing like that, but I do hold that it sounds of that era. And if you meant John Williams, I couldn't disagree more. Williams uses more in the way of themes, and with North there are "passages" here but nothing in the way of a theme . Its very similar to Goldsmith's first attempt to score Star Trek: The Motion Picture. (re STTMP sp ed dvd)
hmm music sounds abit dated, with this score i expect to see david niven or peter sellers's head pop up on the screen. i think Kubrick made a most excellent choice and i admire him for being waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of his time.
it's not quite how Kubric or Alex would have synchronized the music, I don't think, a bit off.
Well congratulations. Not many ppl have that kind of revelation with anything. Musically the Barry score for Black Hole is very symphonic, maby the fault was in the editing and syncing the music with the images; or maby just didnt fit. While I do like both scores I still prefer Barry's...so lets just chalk that up to personal taste...:D
@jatroup12 Uh this actually was the original score technically.
Star Wars transcends time. Its score was a product of that era. Of course you don't like anything replacing what you've come to know as "2001's score," much like no one could replace Star Wars's score.
The piece that begins at the 8:28 mark, is that available on CD? I have the Varese Sarabande CD "Alex North's 2001".
Homage to Holst?
just to add, i'm not being negative here, i own this cd, bloody great listen on its own..but Spartacus is the best for me.
@mornnb Which 80s classical music would you say it sounds like?
Wrong. Just... wrong. That's an action movie soundtrack and would have been horribly unsuitable for a high-concept esoteric science fiction film. Even the use of theremin music ala the composings for Forbidden Planet would have made a far better fit for 2001 than this, but would also have dated the movie. Using the classics and the artfully discordant compositions of Gyorgi Ligeti takes this film far beyond the 1960s.
+LordZontar The music they used dated the movie idiot. It was written in the 19th century.
The music would not have been used this way
L2084 We can't know how another director would have used this score, but we sure know the way this music has been used by Kubrick.
Is there a clearer version of this video for some reason its fuzzy! I do enjoy it though the way you put it together, but a clearer version would enhance the mood please do so soon an let me know when its ready.
Why is there a delay between the music and the film!!!! Argh!!!
I know the docking sequence is all North, but what other segments are from Dragonslayer?
North reused various cues from his discarded '2001' score in 'Dragonslayer' as well as 'Shoes of the Fisherman.'
Oh no, just no! It just doesn’t suit the movie. The use of Zarathustra with its associations with Ubermenschen and transformation really add to the symbolism of the scenes in the movie when it is used. This just lacks the same impact.
dude, the reason for the original music on the ape scene, was exactly for the ape scene, you can't change it. you can't beat that music that shows the dawn of weapons.
I don't care if it was for the movie or not, it's way too screechy. kind of gave me a headache, to be honest.....
+TheLastGentleman Shut the fuck up you old fart
I cant believe the clip author removed the original music score...
+rogerpenna This IS the original score!!
sounds a bit too like lassie
Tell us what made the flag move at the 2:35 time mark of this video.
/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU
Do this one while you're at it.
/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
this makes me laugh
no, you are not alone! i prefer north's vision, but SO many disagree.
North could write great music, but as an accompaniment to these images it sounds bloody awful.
+Porfle Popnecker If he could write great music, how do these images make it sound awful? You're a fucktard.
Fail. Blue Danube owned this version.
Strauss wouldn't have agreed. He would have despised his music being used as a backdrop. That's not what he write it for.
second score is okay, but the first one is just unacceptable
Kubrick could not have been more wrong. While his use of classical music in the film has certainly become iconic, it has never sat well with me and is, quite honestly, obnoxiously distracting. Concert works were written for the hall, not film. North wrote a tremendous score: daring, expressive, colorful and completely in character with Kubrick's eclectic vision. It's a shame Stanley rejected such a magnificent compositional achievement and used his bland, by-the-books temp track instead.
For the greatest scene in the history of cinema, the music is simply, just not epic enough. Just...not...no. No.
+YawnGod Like you know what is ''epic enough''. Drivel.
WOW! Blasphemy! If there is a hell....
I feel exactly the same way as you.
The audio wrecks it. Totally terrible. Sorry, this sucks.
The music is not philosophical enough. It sounds like Nazis stomping around.
Try Again.
Don't get me wrong, Alex North is very talented. The fact that it didn't fit Kubrick is not really his fault. It's really for the common good that he realized it didn't really fit.
Blue Danube > Alex North
OMG. Elevator music in space. No way Kubrick would have used this for the final film. He was being nice. The music just SUCKS. That's why he didn't use it.
Jesus, let the poor monkeys eat in peace! The score sounds like leftovers from Spartacus. Completely inappropriate for the film.
Pretty stupid!! The least you could have done was to keep the orginal sound track! Why change it to something that doesn't even fit the mood!!
This is miles better than the awful piece of trash we got, I'm not joking. The music in the released film was awful, the acting was awful, and I almost fell asleep.
The fact that people think this film is a timeless classic baffles me to the max. At least with this score I will have probably got through it.
horrible